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Let the Mocking Begin

Update [2008-3-10 16:18:57 by TexSkins]: Full disclosure: the post on SportProjections.com is from yours truly.

Mocking of drafts that is.  Don't get any ideas, you crazy kids.

For those of you who are draft geeks (myself included) and can't get enough of those mock drafts, head on over and check out the SportProjections.com Mock Draft.

They asked bloggers from different sites to pick for their favorite teams and the Redskins pick is "on the clock" currently and should be up soon.

With the way the mock is going, I have the Skins taking DE Calais Campbell from Miami, mostly because DE Gholston and CB Talib are already off the board.  Anyone with me?

More importantly, anyone feel that WR Limus Sweed or any of the other WRs would be a better pick?  Anyone wanting a DT or Offensive Lineman in that spot?  Or maybe even a different DE than Campbell?

Check out the mock board and see what you think.

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NO WR IN THE 1st RD
We have 2 starting Wr's so why the hell waste a 1 rounder on one?!

This team has lacked a pass rush from the D-line in a long long time. What are the Washington Redskins Alex?????

Since we need a DE/DT I suggest Phillip Merling from Clemson.    

http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/de/phillipmerling.html

by CptChaosSidekick on Mar 10, 2008 3:41 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I see Merling
as more of a run-stopping DE.  And I can't really see him as much of a DT in the NFL.  Maybe in the right system.  I'm just not sure the Skins have that system.

by TexSkins on Mar 10, 2008 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

As of now
Kiper has us taking CB Talib in his mock. I don't know what to make of any of the CB's in this draft. Are they great or did they play against weak talent?(Most are from small programs)

Merling from what I hear can do both rush the passer and stop the run. If Carter is seeing double teams then Merlling (or insert other better rookie DE) could get to said QB and cause much mayhem.

by CptChaosSidekick on Mar 10, 2008 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

becasue our starting WRs
aren't that good...one seaseon betwix the two.

by JustinU804 on Mar 11, 2008 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think that of the DEs
Gholston is a monster but will go in the top 10 (I can't see him falling past the Pats at number 7.)

I like Harvey a lot.  I could see him going in the 15-18 area.  If he falls to #21, I take him without thinking.

I like Talib and Cromartie but I think they'll both be gone well before pick #21.  I like Merling, but I just happen to like Campbell more.  Maybe I just see too much of the athlete that is Mario Williams in him... he could be a bust.  

My top DEs are:

  1. Chris Long, UVA (duh.)
  2. Gholston, OSU
  3. Harvey, FLA
  4. Merling, CLEM
  5. Campbell, UM
6.(tie) Groves, Auburn
6.(tie) Jackson, USC

I think that Campbell is a better fit than Merling.  I could be wrong.  I usually am.

by TexSkins on Mar 10, 2008 4:34 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Campbell...
The more I read on the guy, the less I like him. I love his size, I think we need to get bigger on the line and that would help.

I would much prefer a Derrick Harvey or Philip Merling myself...but I doubt either of them will fall.

I actually like the DE's that are projected to fall to the second round, Lawrence Jackson and Chris Ellis. Campbell is now a projected 2nd rounder too and I wouldnt be surprised to see him there. I see his fall in the draft this year being similar to that of Alan Branch last year.

If the draft played out like this mock, I wouldve jumped on Sweed or Merling.

Would anyone be opposed to us trading our third rounder (only if we get a compensatory 3rd rounder to take it's place) and our 1st rounder as part of a deal to move up and take a premier DL like Long, Ellis, Dorsey, or Gholston?

by Romans12 on Mar 10, 2008 4:39 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

In that
situation I'd be all for Long! At the very least he's running at 100% all the time. The guy hustles for everything and is a coaches dream. At the combine he volunteered to do the high jump over because he wasn't satisfied with his preformance.

The others I'm not so sure about. Gholston I think might be better as a LB in the 3-4 (like a D Ware for the Cowboys)because size could be an issue with him as a 4-3 DE. I'm not convinced with Dorsey as an elite DT. He's not a very good pass rusher. Ellis looks good, but not worth moving up for.

I think DE is more in need then DT.

by CptChaosSidekick on Mar 10, 2008 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I
wouldn't be opposed at all, in fact, I'd be very for it. Even if we have to trade our 1st, 2nd, AND 3rd (assuming we get a compensatory pick). To me, the difference between Merling and Campbell and Long and Gholston is the difference between someone who could be a playmaker soon and someone who is likely to be a playmaker soon.

by BlackOps on Mar 10, 2008 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree...
...that Long is worth that much to get him. I am not for giving up multiple draft picks for aged vets but I would give that up in a second to get a young, dominant pass rusher. Not sure we want to/can pay what it would cost to have him.

Gholston does seem like he would fit in better as a LB in a 3-4 scheme. The way I see it, no matter the scheme, you want a guy with his play making abilities on the field. His numbers in college are ridiculous. If you read up on him, he is just getting started too. Has really only been playing DE for two years. A ton of room to grow.

Wouldnt give up that much for Ellis. I might consider using our potential third, or maybe even our fourth instead, to jump up and grab Harvey. I think that's where the best of the defensive ends stops.

by Romans12 on Mar 10, 2008 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree to an extent...
that Harvey is the last of the "dominant" pass rushers, with Merling and Campbell and others after that.

But I also think that Campbell has the ability to be one of those guys.  He's not a sure thing by any means, but after the "top flight" guys in the draft, I think his potential is worth the risk.  He's a project.

I also thought that the depth of the CB and OL would allow the team to get those positions of need filled in the later rounds (2nd for CB, maybe one of the 3rds, assuming the team picks up the extra pick here, for OL.)

I don't see WR as a "glaring" need and I don't see any of the 1st round WRs as can't-miss type of players.  I think Kelly and Sweed would be good players to have, obviously, but I don't think either can have a major contribution immediately.

I'd want Long and Gholston, but I'd be wary of trading away so many picks.  I'd probably think about it for Long but wouldn't do it for Gholston.  If nothing else, Long will end up as a poor man's Kerney with that non-stop motor he has.  And that's a worst case scenario.  Gholston, to me, is much more iffy and much better suited to the 3-4.

by TexSkins on Mar 10, 2008 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Long
is acutally considered better against the run than the pass...that's the scary part.  I'd give up a one and a 2 for him.

by JustinU804 on Mar 11, 2008 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Seahawks WR to Visit Redskins
Per the insider..

Free agent wide receiver D.J. Hackett is scheduled to arrive in the Washington area on Wednesday to meet with the Redskins.

While the Redskins are usually quite active in free agency, Hackett will be the first free agent to visit with the team since the period opened Feb. 29.

"We'll take a look and see if there's something that can work there," said Vinny Cerrato, Washington's executive vice president of football operations. "It's got to work for both sides, so we'll see what happens."

At 6 feet 2 and 208 pounds, Hackett, 26, could provide a big target for quarterback Jason Campbell. Hackett has played for the Seattle Seahawks since entering the league in 2004, and new Redskins coach Jim Zorn previously worked as the Seahawks' quarterbacks coach.

"We've said we'll look at any player who can help us improve as a team," Cerrato said. "Whether it's free agency, trades or the draft, we're going to do everything we can to get better."

Limited to only six games last season because of a high-ankle sprain, Hackett had 32 receptions for 384 yards (a 12.0-yard average) and three touchdowns in the regular season. He played a key role in the Seahawks' 35-14 victory over the Redskins in the first round of the NFC playoffs, catching six passes for 101 yards and one touchdown.

He has best season in 2006, setting personal marks with 45 catches for 610 yards (a 13.6-yard average) and four touchdowns. In his career, Hackett has 105 receptions for 1,394 yards (a 13.3-yard average) and nine touchdowns.

Hackett's agent has been talking with other teams, but has no other visits planned at this time.

by CptChaosSidekick on Mar 10, 2008 5:18 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Would like
this as a possible move BUT every WR has been grossly overpaid and I would'nt like to see the Skins do the same thing.

Another good thing if we sign him is to concentrate our draft along both the D & O-lines

by CptChaosSidekick on Mar 10, 2008 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

WR
I know a wide receiver is always a risky investment in the draft but I would like to see us take one in the first round.  One mock I read today had us taking Sweed with the first rounder, and Campbell falling to us in the second round because he's been underachiveing at these workouts.

Also, the same site said that the CB class is strong this year, and had us taking Zenon out of LSU in the 5th round, calling him a "solid" cornerback.  I like this strategy, although the idea of hoping Campbell fall to us is a bit risky.  I would still rather take a WR in the first round, but what can I say, I'm a flashy guy.

by kemmets24 on Mar 10, 2008 9:04 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Campbell
is a good pick...hopefully, he'll pay dividends sooner than the other campbell we have...

by JustinU804 on Mar 11, 2008 10:15 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I don't pay them for nothin'
Sporting news.com report...they actually have us taking Campbell:

War Room analysis
Against the run: Chases down ballcarriers aggressively in pursuit. Reads the run away, accelerates to full speed in a blink and shows explosive closing burst to finish plays. Is not nearly as consistent on runs at him, losing focus on technique and playing upright and straight-legged. When playing with good leverage and getting hands on offensive linemen quickly, shows strength to lock them out with long arms, hold ground and stop plays at him. When playing upright, gets pushed around. Grade: 6.5

Pass rush: Dominates when aggressive. Has long arms. Shows surprising strength to jolt offensive tackles backward when using good leverage and aggressiveness; is inconsistent. Shows a wide array of pass-rush moves to beat offensive tackles with power, agility and speed. Once past blockers, shows elite explosive burst to finish sacks. Lacks snap anticipation to take advantage of explosive burst to threaten the corner as a speed rusher. Grade: 7.9

Initial quickness: When aggressive, gets out of stance and moving quickly to get hands on offensive linemen and control them with quickness and strength. Moves down the line fast on running plays away. Is an explosive athlete, but must learn to show it in all phases; shows explosiveness to finish plays, but not to fire off the snap as a pass rusher. Grade: 7.9

Run/pass recognition: Reads and reacts to plays well, and does not get fooled by misdirection or trick plays. Shows awareness to "peel" off pass rush to pick up running backs on flare out passes in the flat. Grade: 7.9

Pursuit/tackling: Gets started down the line quickly in backside pursuit, showing elite speed to chase down and finish plays. Even when not in best position to make tackles, uses explosive closing burst, size, long arms and strength to get opponents to the ground. Grade: 8.5

Bottom line: Campbell, a junior, will cause a lot of debate in draft rooms because of his tremendous potential. The more we evaluate Campbell, the more we notice similarities between him and Texans defensive end Mario Williams. Neither player dominated every game or made as many plays as he should have in college, despite being far superior athletically to nearly every offensive lineman. Campbell doesn't quite have the same package of talent as Williams. Campbell likely will be inconsistent early in his career, but the light will go on by his second or third season. If aggressive on every snap, he will be a terror to quarterbacks and ballcarriers.

by JustinU804 on Mar 11, 2008 10:22 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Now that's an analysis...
What do they say about some of the others?  You don't have to post it word for word, but what's the scoop on Merling, Harvey, Groves and Jackson?  Who's ahead of who?

by TexSkins on Mar 11, 2008 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'll check it out...
and get back to you, Tex.

by JustinU804 on Mar 12, 2008 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

what I have
is no groves...they are ranked (overall for the DE position) campbell (2), Merling (3) and L. Jackson (4), R. Jackson (you didn't specify) (17).  As far as measurable are concerned, L. Jackson is far superior, and he's super-strong  (31 bench reps, to Campbell's 17 and Merling's 18).  Jackson's vertical is best, and his 40/cone drill are on the better half of the middle.  I can get more details, just lemme know on who.  And I am happy to dig up guy by other sources...it just may take time dependent on how long the list is.

by JustinU804 on Mar 12, 2008 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nothing on Derrick Harvey?
The kid from Florida.  And Quentin Groves from Auburn.  I saw him light up a game or two this season.

Lawerence Jackson looks like a player.  I doubt he lasts until the Redskins pick in round 2.  Although the NFL Draft Countdown report mentions "some health/durability concerns" with him, which will always scare teams.

by TexSkins on Mar 12, 2008 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Groves
doesn't seem to be a top prospect by any stretch...but Harvey has a great deal of technique issues.  at 6-3, 271, he's more of a Chargers/Cowgirls 3-4 OLB.  Essentially, all of his skills are in question, as is his intensity-his measurables are top nothch, runs in the 4.5 range and put up 31 reps on the press.  good quickness, I wouldn't look at him for the skins as he needs too much work, and he may not stuff the run as well as we should like-london fltcher or not.  that still makes all the difference on third and short and goal line situations.

by JustinU804 on Mar 13, 2008 10:04 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

oops, i'm a douche
Groves looks sharp.  he was once a DE, which wasn't going to work out to well in the NFL.  At OLB, he excels rushing th passer-we definately need that from our LB corps.  Marcus W is the only one eefective from the backers, and he is injury prone.  As far as groves being drafted-he will be a LB, just not for the skins.  He will go in the first round, one of the top 3 backers taken.

by JustinU804 on Mar 13, 2008 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'll have to disagree...
...on Harvey. I get a little tired of hearing about player's skills and techniques being called into question. That is to be expected from someone coming out of college for any job. That's what a coaching staff is for.

As for Harvey's skills being called into question, I don't see how that is possible. As a sophomore, he burned offensive lines for 11 sacks, 8 hurries, and 13 TFL. Now as a senior, Harvey was catching double teams all the time. The previous year, three of the starting defensive linemen for that team were taken on the first day of the draft. Keep that in mind when you look at his numbers from his junior season.

8.5 sacks, 17 TFL, 3 pressures, 1 FF. He did this at his playing weight of about 250lbs. The average weight of the man lining up against him was 311 lbs. His weight is already up to about 275 and I would expect that to increase another 5-10 lbs.

What I like about Harvey is not only his individual numbers, but how his play and leadership effect the team. Nobody will argue that this years Gator D was led by Harvey. The unit led a powerful SEC by allowing only 103 ypg on the ground. Now you said that he may not stuff the run as well as he should. On 47 running plays to Harvey's side of the line last year, opposing teams came away with a whopping -28 yards (0.6 ypc). Here's what I love...his side of the line did not allow a single rushing first down until the Capital One Bowl last year. He was especially effective near the goal line, and on third and fourth downs. If that's not stout on the run than show me what is.

There is very little chance that he falls to #21, but if he does, he has to be  #1 on the Skins board.

by Romans12 on Mar 13, 2008 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I suppose we'll have
to disagree, Bro.  You know who Justin Hickman is?  If so, his name may be about it.  But if I am not mistaken, he played for a California school last year (let's say USC) racked up eleven sack, went undrafted, and did not make our team.  Hey, if we draft Harvey, and he can get 8 sacks, I'll be thrilled, but I still like Lawrence Jackson best, but we'll see.

Don Banks has us taking Devon Thomas, a 6-2 , 217 WR...okay...DJ Hackettt?

by JustinU804 on Mar 13, 2008 3:02 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Hickman...
Undrafted out of UCLA. I think he looked good in camp but he got hurt or something. That's all i know about him.

I also like Jackson best out of who should be available to us at DE. I wouldnt be surprised if a team falls in love with him and grabs him in the bottom of the first.

Who knows which DE we will end up with.

I do know who we are drafting next year though who would fill a need for us. Dexter Manley's son is coming out in '09. It wouldnt be right for him to play anywhere else. That being said, I think we should pick up Marcus Monk (no relation) in the later rounds this year, he's a 6'6 217 WR. That would be an awesome throwback.

by Romans12 on Mar 13, 2008 5:14 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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