Coaches, coaches everywhere and not a contract to ink
First, consider stopping by The Curly R and reading the latest of his multipiece epics in blogging. Part 1, Part 2, and Part 3 are predictably solid and well researched posts that Ben should be proud of and you should have read by now.
Gregg Williams was supposed to have an interview two days ago but per RI it was moved to a 12 hour monster set for today. The Post said Saturday. I can't find a source that has him being interviewed today but RI did say this:
First, Gregg Williams represents continuity. Why? As (hat tip: Curly R) the Times points out, the success we experienced under Gibbs was unique to the Snyder era and just so happened to represent the most continuity of that same era. Was Dan paying attention? He says he was, emphasis mine:
"Incredible patience," Snyder said when asked what Gibbs taught him.
Patience never has been a word associated with Snyder, who rose from college dropout to billionaire in less than two decades.
"I don't think things have changed in what I'm looking for. Continuity, absolutely, is very important," Snyder said. "I like where we are. I'm very, very pleased with the players and coaching staff. We're in good shape."
2007 was the kind of season I can get behind supporting continuity. We made the playoffs which has happened rarely under Dan Snyder. We did so in spite of a number of injuries, the 4th most difficult schedule in the league per FO, and of course the death of Sean Taylor. The former two are easy to identify because they are simply crunched numbers or gathered data. There is no way to objectively quantify the effect the death of your team's best player can have, but observers the league over overwhelmingly recognized it as a tramatic experience for a team to deal with. We did so, and respectably. One day they will make a Disney movie out of it, because Dan Snyder will buy Disney and make them.
Second, although continuity is great, it doesn't matter if you don't have a qualified person available to carry over the continuity. For example, if there were a member of Spurrier's staff I'd have considered for the HC job, it would've been Marvin Lewis (at the time -- I've been convinced otherwise since then) and he belted for the Bengals in 2003 anyways. Gregg Williams joined the staff in 2004 and has been with the team, coaches, and players every moment since then. That is four complete seasons of picking and meddling and communicating with all the moving parts of an NFL franchise and thus represents the kind of continuity we're talking about above.
Is he qualified? Defensively there can be no doubt, here are his figures as defensive coordinator by traditional metrics, first yards, then points. Years immediately prior and immediately after his tenure are covered paranthetically:
(1998 Titans, someone else, although Gregg was the LB coach, 16th yards, 12th points)
1999 Titans 17th yards, 15th points
2000 Titans 1st yards, 2nd points -- to only the 2000 Baltimore Ravens who, incidentally, would win the SB with that defense and allow, I think, the fewest points of damn near any team in league history.
(Spurrier's 2003 Redskins 25th yards, 24th points)
2004 Redskins 3rd yards, 5th points
2005 Redskins 9th and 9th
2006 Redskins 31st and 27th
2007 8th yards, 11th points
FO ranks comparably. In 1998 prior to Gregg Williams taking over the defense in Tennessee, they were 28th in the league. In 1999 they jumped up to 18th, by 2000 they were 2nd to just that dominating Ravens defense of legend. In 2003, prior to Williams, Redskins were 27th defensively. They were 4th in '04, 4th in '05, a bad 32nd last year, but rebounded to 6th this year.
When all is said and done, it appears, as a Defensive Coordinator at least, that Gregg Williams is overwhelmingly good with one anomalous year in 2006. We were around to understand the severity of the horror that was our defense that year, but there were also some extenuating circumstances discussed at length elsewhere on this site. I'm not going to rehash that discussion but encourage you to do so; suffice to say, I am personally convinced that Gregg Williams understands defenses and that he makes a fine defensive coach. If you are yet convinced, consider reading his cheerleader bio at the Official Site which is well researched even if it would say good things.
Does that mean he'd make a Head Coach? Probably not, as I'm sure that there have been plenty of competent defensive coordinators who couldn't make the transition. Furthermore his record as HC was spotty at best, going 17-31 in his short three year tenure in Buffalo. What I will say in response to that, perhaps accepting the role of apologist, is that Gregg Williams would not be the first coach in history to succeed (if he were to do so) after a less than stellar first stint as head coach. Furthermore, it's not easy to win games with the likes of Alex Van Pelt, Rob Johnson, and an aging Drew Bledsoe. And that 2001-2003 stint isn't entirely without merit because those damned 2003 Bills were a fine defensive team, ranking 2nd in the league. (Remember, too, that his tenure happened to occur right in the midst of the historic run of the division rival Patriots, who won 34 games and 2 Super Bowls in those three years -- the AFC East produced three playoff teams in Gregg Williams first year: New England, Miami, and NY).
Murmur murmur murmur I'm of the opinion Gregg Williams has earned a 2nd shot at a head coaching job and that might as well be here. I'm rarely correct about anything, so maybe it's best we don't get Gregg, but don't let me be wrong without you going on record as having called me out. Post in the comments if you want somebody else.
Because you could get somebody else. Per Fanhouse:
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I say "good article"
Equality, at least when it comes to NFL coaches, is not whether or not they get hired... it is whether or not they get hired after getting fired. Rehired. The NFL coaching carosel is big on rehashing the same names (I like Marty, but he's the prime example that comes to mind) for head coaching positions.
Would Mike Tomlin be the head coach of the Steelers if not for the Rooney Rule? Discount the fact that Rooney owns the Steelers for a moment... if not for the rule, would a thirty-something assistant coach with no head coaching experience get an interview, much less the job?
The purpose of the rule is not for the minority candidate to get the job he interviews for. The purpose of the rule is to get people in the door who would otherwise be overlooked. You wow a team during an interview, the word spreads, you get more interviews and you eventually get a different job somewhere down the line.
Would I like to see the Rooney Rule apply to front office positions? Yes. Does it probably need some tinkering? Yes. Should it be eliminated altogether?
Not so fast, my friend.
by TexSkins on
Jan 15, 2008 11:07 AM EST
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disagree Tex
Um, yes, he would. The Steelers dont fu&* around when hiring head coaches. They're on their 3rd coach on nearly 40 years. Tomlin got the interview because he led Minnesota's defense to a historic season defending the run - an NFL record season. He was a longshot, but he had a fantastic interview and got the job.
Lots of young guys are getting their shot. Lane Kiffin, Tomlin, soon to be Jason Garret, Kyle Shanahan (offensive coordinator for Texans at age 28).
I think you're giving NFL owners (at least most of them) way too little credit. They're in the business of winning games. Black, white who cares. Dollars are on the line. I think you'll see more and more organizations hire black coaches, especially the younger generation.
by Blitzburgh on Jan 15, 2008 1:23 PM EST 0 recs
Maybe...?
For all this talk about Minnesota having the best run defense in history, they also had the worst passing defense that year and were eighth in total D. That's good, but hardly great enough to earn, by itself, a Head Coaching job sans a spectacular interview. And while they were an outstanding team against the run, the 2.8 YPC they allowed was hardly unprecedented; the Ravens did it again this year.
I think Mike Tomlin is and will be an outstanding coach and applaud the Steelers ability to hire great coaches. If it were as easy as merely selecting the hottest coordinator in the league, which Tomlin may or may not even have been at the time of his hire, then every team would be as successful as the Steelers. Did his run defense in Minnesota get him in the door in Pittsburgh? Maybe, but I don't recall him getting a lot of interviews elsewhere, though, again, you'd know more about that than I would.
by Skin Patrol on
Jan 15, 2008 1:55 PM EST
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Also...
Whereas in days of yore, see my short life time, probably not racist but old-fashioned coaches were content to only interview the three or four oldest and most seasoned head coaching candidates available. As the Steelers, among others, have proven, that doesn't necessarily mean the best guy gets the job.
I guess I'm of the opinion that there exists some assistant coach out there in the ether who happens to be a future hall of fame head coach who revolutionizes the NFL, but gets the opportunity too late in life because he has to wait around until Dan Reeves or Marty or Norval Turner or Bill Parcells or their equivalents down the road decide to stop coaching for good. And so this highly talented hypothetical assistant coach will get to sit around being awesome but not enjoying the reigns he's worthy of -- not because of racism, even though he might be black (or he might not) -- but because owners place an emphasis on experience. There isn't anything wrong with that, but perhaps sometimes they lean on sage wisdom to the point of error when they refuse to interview otherwise qualified candidates.
If the Rooney Rule gets even some small minority of these people (These people??? Younger people, I mean) into interviews I consider it a positive thing.
by Skin Patrol on
Jan 15, 2008 2:05 PM EST
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Kiffin, Shanahan would fall in the
I wasn't trying to pick on the Steelers. They don't fuck around (you can say fuck 'round these parts) which impresses me to no end. But Cowher and Noll were much more accomplished candidates.
Noll was an NFL player before being an assistant coach with 2 teams (Chargers, Colts) and his last stop as an assistant (DC under Don Shula with the Colts) was a record settting year for his team.
Cowher was also a NFL player and was an assistant coach on 2 NFL teams (Browns, Chiefs) and his last stop as an assistant (DC under Marty Schottenheimer with the Chiefs) the team was 7th in scoring defense and a pair of young defensive players (Derrick Thomas and Neil Smith) were just coming into their own.
Tomlin never played in the NFL. He was a college assistant at a few places (VMI, Cincinnati) before becoming an assistant in Tampa. His one year as a coordinator came in 2006 with MIN.
All I'm saying is Tomlin didn't have the same pedigree as Noll and Cowher. I have nothing against him as a coach (I actually think he's quite impressive... the way he handles himself and the way his team has done thus far in his career) but I am not convinced his resume would warrant an interview for a head coaching position.
Maybe I'm wrong. I often am. But I think the Steelers got a guy before anyone else would have.
by TexSkins on
Jan 15, 2008 4:11 PM EST
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Speaking of coaches
Now i'm not sure he will and it would be another blow after how the girls fell apart this year. But that might not be the best part, I hear alot of talk that the girls would just replace him Cam Cameron. But rumor has is that Garrett wont go to Baltimore unless Cam Cameron is his OC. Now that would be funny.
by Sincethebeginning on Jan 15, 2008 2:20 PM EST 0 recs
Bwahahaha!!!!
Wade Phillips was just a placeholder to begin with. Is he as popular in Dallas with the handpicked future coach gone?
Hat tip to sincethebeginning and Dave at Blogging the Boys.
by thatguyben on
Jan 15, 2008 8:08 PM EST
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More salt for the wound?
Talk about raiding the cookie jar........ i might just start feeling bad for the Cowboys...............OK i might not.
by Sincethebeginning on
Jan 15, 2008 9:45 PM EST
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