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Apparently the Washington Redskins haven't existed for the past 25 years

Hat tip to Windy City Gridiron who found the now completed USA Today Top 25 NFL players of the past 25 years list. First, let's get indignant.

In 1981 Joe Gibbs took over the Washington Redskins. By my count, that was 25 seasons ago (last season was 2006). During that time period he led Your Washington Redskins to four Super Bowls, the first in 1982, winning 3 of them.

In the same time period -- and this is after only quick and impassioned fact checking, so please catch me in the comments section -- only one team won more Super Bowls, the San Fransisco 49ers. They are properly represented on the list at #1 and #2 with Joe Montana and Jerry Rice respectively. And Ronnie Lott. And Steve Young. That's fine.

Only two other teams, besides the 49ers, went to more Super Bowls. That would be the New England Patriots and the Denver Broncos. The Pats get their Tom Brady, the Broncos get their John Elway. The Buffalo Bills get Bruce Smith, who we won't bother claiming. The Cowboys get Emmitt and Troy.

I don't have a problem with any of those selections. They were all great players who certainly belong in this conversation. What frustrates me is that one of the best franchises in the NFL of the past 25 years, with more SB wins than any team besides the 49ers, and more SB appearances than all but three teams (Patriots, Broncos, and 49ers) somehow gets left off the list entirely. Not a single player who helped the team earn a Super Bowl is showcased on this list.

As I'm the one with the complaint, it is incumbent on me to provide that player. Perhaps it really was exclusively a team effort, that not a single person distinguished themselves on those three Super Bowl teams, which would be a partial argument for Joe Gibbs as the greatest Coach of all time. I present Darrell Green as a worthwhile addition to this list, though invite reader(s) to provide their own suggestions. He's chosen for longevity, which would seem to speak towards his impact over the past 25 years, and his contribution to two of our three Super Bowl victories during that period.

So who should go? I think there are a number of people on this list less deserving of this honor than Darrell Green, though I'll strike the easiest target. Terry Bradshaw didn't do a damn thing in the last 25 years. He threw a grand total of 8 passes in the 1983 season before retiring. He had good, but not mind blowing, 1981 and 1982 seasons, though his teams didn't do anything in the postseason (in the last 25 years).

It's an evident problem for USA Today and will be for the Hall of Fame if they continue to snub Art Monk or else, unthinkably, snub Green, to tell the story of the Washington Redskins in the 80s and early 90s without distinguishing any players (besides John Riggins, who is in the Hall of Fame). They are essentially asking Redskins fans to forget that our teams were great and that we succeeded in spite of ourselves. As teams that were comparable or demonstrably worse than the Redskins enjoy adoration and praise in the form of individual recognition, I think we have every reason to be indignant.

I am willing to acknowledge that perhaps the Washington Redskins were simply a well coached team with great chemistry but no all stars. Our plethora of quarterbacks, and our ability to succeed in spite of those changes, speaks to that point. But if that's the case you need to identify the coaching staff as perhaps the greatest in NFL history. Belichick never won without Tom Brady. Shanahan never won without Elway. Walsh never did it without Joe Montana, and George Seifart perhaps proved, in a 55-10 landslide in the 1989 Super Bowl, that Montana would do it regardless of who coached. Neither Jimmy Johnson nor Barry Switzer did anything without Troy Aikman, Emmitt Smith, and Michael Irvin.

But Coach Gibbs did it with Joe Theismann, Doug Williams, and Mark Rypien. He did it with and without Gary Clark. He did it with John Riggins, George Rogers, Timmy Smith, and Earnest Byner. The team changed significantly yet the winning continued at a level barely matched by any other team over the same period. If we won all those games despite an apparently absolute lack of elite players, then give Joe Gibbs his due.

And if we really are going to get bumped off the Top 25 players of the past 25 years, it certainly shouldn't be because of Terry Bradshaw.

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THIS is the same crap as always
We are never recognized for those great teams. To win 3 out of 4 super bowls in a 9 year span or so is almost certainly a dynasty and i cant remember off hand but we also lost a few NFC Championship games during that span to.

This just reinforces how good a coach Gibbs IS.
People have a hard time understanding how he did it with all these different players and they want to blow it off as a fluke.

Even if i was a fan of any other team, you can certainly look at Darrell Green and say he was one of the best players of his time. Art monk is very close behind him. Without monk we might not have made it to some of those super bowls.

But also i will say that Theismann does not ever get the recognition he deserves, going to two straight super bowls, in the last 25 years mind you. One other person i would say had an impact that we do not talk about was Earnest Byners 91' season. He had over 1000 yds. and over 300 receiving. That was great then especially on a Gibbs team. According to the NFl that was the best of the Gibbs teams!

This does not suprise me as we have always been shunned in these types of player rankings and such. But we know what we achieved and its not over yet, NOT BY A LONG SHOT.

PROUD TO BE A REDKINS FAN!

by Sincethebeginning @ Hogs Haven on Jul 24, 2007 2:18 PM EDT reply actions  

bingo SP
"I am willing to acknowledge that perhaps the Washington Redskins were simply a well coached team with great chemistry but no all stars."

You're exactly correct in your assertion. The Redskins didn't have many really great players during that time frame, they had a great coach in Gibbs who always got the most out of his players and why he is a HOF coach.

I mean just look at Timmy Smith for crying out loud. With the skins he looked awesome, with any other team he was a scrub. Doug Williams also wallowed in mediocrity until he landed with the skins.

BTW, I do agree with you about Bradshaw, no way he belongs on that list.

by Terry @ Hogs Haven on Jul 24, 2007 2:50 PM EDT reply actions  

So long
as everyone is willing to accept what this means. If we really want to say that the Redskins won 3 Super Bowls and went to a fourth without any talent, we're effectively saying that Joe Gibbs is one of, if not the, best coach in NFL history. You're going to have a near impossible time identifying coaches who had comparable success with so little alleged talent.

by Skin Patrol on Jul 24, 2007 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

TOTALLY AGREED!
 

by Sincethebeginning @ Hogs Haven on Jul 24, 2007 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

no, I'm not saying they didn't have any talent
thats just ridiculous because obviously those SB teams were talented, but we're talking about the 25 greatest players in the last 25 years. To make that list you have to be better than great, you have to be one of the best at your positions of all time.

The Redskins didn't have any players that great, but they certainly had some very good and talented players.

Gibbs was certainly one of the greatest HC's of all time, but not the very best IMO, but as a Redskin fan you certainly can make that argument.

by Terry @ Hogs Haven on Jul 25, 2007 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm fine with that qualification
Saying that Coach Gibbs didn't have any X talent, where X represents one of the top 25 players of the past 25 years, yet still won 3 Super Bowls, is what makes him one of the greatest coaches in NFL history. When I said you'd have a hard time producing coaches with similar success and a lack of top tier talent, I didn't mean it would be hard, I meant it would be impossible. I also meant it as a challenge.

Either the Redskins didn't have any super star talent and Coach Gibbs did something that is nearly or precisely unprecedented, or else the players on that team were a lot better than this list or you are willing to give them credit for.

All I'm asking is that one of the greatest teams in NFL history deserves credit. If you won't give it to the coaches, you need to give it to the players. Redskins fans shouldn't be expected to just forget that they went to 4 Super Bowls and won 3 of them in the 80s and early 90s, nor should Cowboys fans be asked to ignore (through snubs against the individuals responsible) that they won 3 Super Bowls in the early and mid 90s.

by Skin Patrol on Jul 25, 2007 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe it could be put another way
You can not say they didnt have talent and Gibbs is in the same class as most other good HC's.

Its either

A)They had talent and someone(meaning player) was consistent with most of those super bowl teams.  

or

B)Gibbs is above and beyond ALL other coaches for doing what he did with not much talent, but some.

There is no in the middle here as that is viewed as a way out for these people who write these types of rankings. Its one or the other.

If neither is chosen then the only other explanation would be to view these rankings as amateur and/or bogus and mean absolutely nothing to the sports world. The SB record speaks for itself.

by Sincethebeginning @ Hogs Haven on Jul 25, 2007 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

You obviously didn't get
helped by the fact that you had a revolving door at the QB spot, but like always if the player you want isn't flashy or boastful you tend to get looked over.

Green is superb and could take away one side of the field like Sanders, but Sanders had the big returns and was always in the limelight.  Somebody like Monk, well you already know how that goes with the HOF.

Just goes to further highlight a problem with the NFL, you have to make your own press or you don't get any.

by WCG @ Hogs Haven on Jul 24, 2007 2:54 PM EDT reply actions  

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by Burgundy and Gold on Jul 24, 2007 3:11 PM EDT reply actions  

Green
Made the PFT list
http://www.profootballtalk.com/No19Green.htm

Us Eagles fan seem to have gotten one guy on each list. Reggie White... kind of an obvious one though.

Bleeding Green Nation Philadelphia Eagles Blog

by JasonB on Jul 24, 2007 5:32 PM EDT reply actions  

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