Mile High Reports Mock Draft

by CptChaosSidekick on Mar 22, 2008 12:32 PM EDT

The Mile High Report's Mock will take place Sunday. If you go to the link on the diary the posted, you will see all the info. This actually looks like a very organized thingamablog they got going over there.

If we could come to a consensus on what position is in most need followed my the prospects ranked at said position, that would be a big help.

I think we need to have scenarios such as we rated d-line first on the list but none are on the board of that value so where do we go?

So what's everyones thought on what our team needs. In my most honest and humble opinion:

D-line of the pass rushing sort
CB
O-line depth
Traded

Picks 5-8 should be positional depth draftees I think.

I haven't forgot about our WR issue, but I was "mocking" on the assumption that a d-lineman would be there and after the top round the WR class drops off a lot. That being said if Hardy or another bigger WR is on the board that could complicate things..my head hurts already

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Using TexSkins Post

Texskins Mock

The concept is good overall but as far as picking the best possible player, If it is decided the Redksins needs are

Then using the rankings as setup per Texskins posts the pick should be one of the top 2 in the first round one of the top-4 in the second etc.
While some massaging may be needed due to depth in each area, the idea of picking the 4th ranked WR at 21 would not be a good pick if a pickup of one of the top-2 (per texskins ranking) could be obtained in any other area...Good luck

by dr WNC on Mar 22, 2008 1:34 PM EDT 0 recs

When I think 1st Rd

pick I think of immediate impact. That's why It's difficult for me to see us needing a wr so soon. We haven't had a consistent pass rush from the d-line since Charles Mann and Dexter Manley. I strongly believe that we would win sooner if we could get a pass rush from the front four rather then draft a larger wr (of which I agree we need) Also 1st rd Wr's are busts more often then not.

I hope to get as many opinion's as possible on this b/c I want a pick that we all can agree with.

by CptChaosSidekick on Mar 22, 2008 6:57 PM EDT up 0 recs

excellent point

but I also think the first round should be "the best player available.
Which is complicated by looking at NFL Draft countdown Mock and Position rankings. Which Texskins used in the "mock" post.
They have Limas Sweed as the top ranked WR but have the redskins picking Malcom Kelly who's the third ranked reciever, with Sweed still available
With the depth of WR, and the Redskins not as concerned as "pundits" about getting a big WR in Free agency or the draft then passing on a WR in the first round would be ok. Although a Thomas and Kelly would be hard to pass when overall they are ranked in the top 20 by Scout.com

But what DE can make an immediate impact? If a Long, Harvey or Gholston is available you go this route, otherwise you wait for maybe Calias Campbell who's stock keeps on dropping...
but has a connection with the Redskins Coach and would be an excellent pickup in the second round if he falls that far.

DT: If Dorsey or Ellis is available you take them, a decision needs to be made depending on availability of other players if Balmer would be a good pick

CB: Redskin's new Defensive coordinator has stated that "shutdown Corners" provide the pass rush and is one of most important positions on Defense...So then if Leodis McKelvin,
Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie,
Mike Jenkins are on the board they should be taken.

Now, the possible players
Kenny Phillips at Safety is only one worthy of a first round but...PR,hype etc issues.
Branden Albert at Guard would be hard to pass if other position players are no longer available...as well as Long, Williams and Otah (tackles) would be hard to pass if available

Trading the pick to Atlanta so they can pick the QB they want before Miami may be the best choice.

by dr WNC on Mar 22, 2008 8:08 PM EDT up 0 recs

Final Say.

I have to overall agree with
NFL Draft Guys

"Derrick Harvey, DE, Florida
The Skins need O-line help and wideout help as well, but IF Harvey falls to them, they solve their pass rush problems for the next 5-10 years"

by dr WNC on Mar 22, 2008 8:24 PM EDT 0 recs

You sold me

So if Harvey is on the board we should grab him. If not a WR, preferably on of size. Sound good?

by CptChaosSidekick on Mar 23, 2008 7:02 AM EDT up 0 recs

Close

The point with a DE is the one you make, it could push the Redskins to the next level.

If Chris Long Virginia 6-3 272 4.75
Vernon Gholston Ohio St. 6-3 266 4.67
Derrick Harvey Florida 6-45/8 271 4.83
Quentin Groves Auburn 6-3 259 4.57
Are available you take a DE in the order listed.
If not then look at WR
Devin Thomas, Michigan St., 6-1 7/8, 216, 4.40
James Hardy, Indiana, 6-5 3/8, 217, 4.51
Limas Sweed, Texas, 6-3 7/8, 215, 4.52
Malcolm Kelly, Oklahoma, 6-3 3/4, 224, 4.55
Again in order listed...If the draft is crazy and all these picks are gone by 21 then I would go OL next if
Branden Albert

The best way to do an overall draft, is to rank your top 100 players, without regards to a specific team need.
Then based on team needs shuffle the order by moving as an example;
all DE up 5 spots, WR up 4 spots, CB up 3 spots, Safety up 2 spots and Line man up 1 spot
This way your picking the best possible player with the team needs weighted and you get out of this mind set of but the team needs.... Every NFL teams needs the best players it can draft, every year the positions take care of themselves mostly...have fun.

by dr WNC on Mar 23, 2008 8:53 AM EDT up 0 recs

I'm trying to

think of all the possible scenarios that could happen. If we do draft other then D-line in the 1st, what do people think of grabbing:

DT Kentwan Balmer North Carolina
DE Calais Campbell Miami
DT Trevor Laws Notre Dame

I like the dr WNC's format and will use it as a guideline. Anyone else looking beyond the 1st rd?

Maybe a Justin King CB Penn st or a Tom Zbikowski S Notre Dame to shore up Special Teams and run support. I don't no to much about the WR's outside the 1st rd but I planned to change that.

As always thoughts, comments, Bachelor party invitations weclome.

by CptChaosSidekick on Mar 23, 2008 10:43 AM EDT up 0 recs

As I am

morally convinced that the defensive line is the most important position in football, I lean rather heavily on that. I'd take a good defensive linemen over a receiver, though that's just my opinion.

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by Skin Patrol on Mar 23, 2008 10:26 AM EDT 0 recs

A quick ranking, with help...

Help from....... (scout.com)
Includes some not "need" position players in the rankings, as the Redskins would have to look hard at taking them if they were available at 21. Removed all QBs as not needed, challenges can be made everywhere but I would say a good start for your picks during the first couple of rounds today.

DT 1 Glenn Dorsey
DE 2 Chris Long
DT 3 Sedrick Ellis
OT 4 Jake Long
RB 5 Darren McFadden
CB 6 Mike Jenkins
LB 7 Keith Rivers
DE 8 Derrick Harvey
OT 9 Chris Williams
OT 10 Jeff Otah
DE 11 Vernon Gholston
CB 12 Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie
DE 13 Quentin Groves
CB 14 Leodis McKelvin
OG 15 Brandon Albert
S 16 Kenny Phillips
RB 17 Rashard Mendenhall
WR 18 Devin Thomas
WR 19 Malcolm Kelly
DE 20 Phillip Merling
WR 21 James Hardy
CB 22 Aqib Talib
DT 23 Kentwan Balmer
LB 24 Dan Conner
TE 25 Fred Davis
LB 26 Jerod Mayo
OT 27 Ryan Clady
WR 28 Limas Sweed
WR 29 Mario Manningham
DE 30 Calais Campbell
DE 31 Chris Ellis
OT 32 Sam Baker
OG 33 Chilo Rachal
OT 34 Carl Nicks
WR 35 Andre Caldwell
WR 36 Early Doucet
OG 37 Oniel Cousins
CB 38 Tyvon Branch
DT 39 Marcus Harrison
OG 40 John Greco
LB 41 Geno Hayes
CB 42 Jack Ikegwuonu
DE 43 Lawrence Jackson
OT 44 Gosder Cherilus
CB 45 Terrell Thomas
CB 46 Justin King
WR 47 DeSean Jackson
S 48 Reggie Smith
OT 49 Anthony Collins
CB 50 Terrence Wheatley
WR 51 Harry Douglas
LB 52 Ezra Butler-Beaton
WR 53 Jordy Nelson
CB 54 Patrick Lee
DT 55 Dre Moore
CB 56 Tracy Porter
S 57 Quintin Demps
DE 58 Cliff Avril
WR 59 Donnie Avery
DE 60 Darrell Robertson
DT 61 Demario Pressley
OT 62 Mike McGlynn
S 63 DaJuan Morgan
FB 64 Peyton Hillis
LB 65 Bryan Kehl
LB 66 Jordon Dizon
LB 67 Shawn Crable
DE 68 Darrell Robertson
DT 69 Demario Pressley
OT 70 Mike McGlynn
LB 71 Xavier Adibi

by dr WNC on Mar 23, 2008 10:28 AM EDT 0 recs

You sir

or indeed the man!

"I like your style, I like your moves". David Starsky

by CptChaosSidekick on Mar 23, 2008 10:51 AM EDT up 0 recs

You guys are good...

and don't take my word about the needs as gospel. I'm pretty sure I was way off on my mock drafts last year, but I'll do some research in the next few days to see exactly how bad I was.

I agree with SP that D-Line is important. I actually think that the good teams and the great teams are separated by line play on both sides of the ball. You mentioned Manley, but that was also the heyday of the Hogs. Dallas in the 90's had Larry Allen and Nate Newton.

All that being said, I would not over-reach for a DE or DT. If Harvey is there, I take him without a second thought. Ditto Long, Dorsey, Ellis. But it gets dicey after that. Is Merling worth a #21 pick? Does Groves fit into the Skins' system? Is Balmer better than Montgomery and Golston? Is a Malcolm Kelly / Calais Campbell first two picks better than a Harvey / whoever draft? This is where the draft gets interesting... like a chess game. Its not about who you get in the first round... its about getting the best players you can in all rounds in a variety of positions. Crazyness ensues.

Just my two cents.

by TexSkins on Mar 23, 2008 11:00 PM EDT 0 recs

Agreed...

I think TexSkins has it right. Don't overreach at DE. It would be better to pass up on a first round project on the D-line and use later picks for projects. If Harvey falls, don't question why and go for it, but if not, don't pick Campbell/Kelly and hope that he will be the instant monster we are all craving.

I've read somewhere that (generally) third and second round picks are the best value for the buck (in that order), and we are in a rebuilding phase. Having said that, I'm in support of passing up the 21st and going for two later picks if Harvey and viable corner material is already pau (assuming there is a viable taker for our oh so uncoveted 21st).

Just my two cents.

by hawaiianhogfan on Mar 24, 2008 2:50 AM EDT 0 recs

Hey you,

welcome to the site. Always good to have new commenters.

I believe this is the study you are referencing:

Let's take stock. We have shown that the market value of draft picks declines steeply with draft
order--the last pick in the first round is worth only 25 percent of the first pick even though the last pick
will command a much smaller salary than the first pick. These simple facts are incontrovertible. In a
rational market such high prices would forecast high returns; in this context, stellar performance on the field. And, teams do show skill in selecting players--using any performance measure, the players taken
at the top of the draft perform better than those taken later. In fact, performance declines steadily
thoughout the draft. Still, performance does not decline steeply enough to be consistent with the very
high prices of top picks. Indeed, we find that the expected surplus to the team declines throughout the
first round. The first pick, in fact, has an expected surplus lower than any pick in the second round!

I apologize for the bad formatting.

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by Skin Patrol on Mar 24, 2008 12:46 PM EDT up 0 recs

Why do some many

people list Groves at DE? He played OLB last year, and did a top job. at only 251lbs, he's less than ideal, but could manage in the NFL with a team that prefers lighter, faster guys. I like Lawrence Jackson at DE...though Campbell I could live with. Campbell is a better rusher, but supposedly has effort issues. Jackson still can rush, but is the superior run stopper. He's also a couple steps faster than Campbell.

by JustinU804 on Mar 24, 2008 12:35 PM EDT 0 recs

I used Campbell as a generic 2nd round pick...

by TexSkins on Mar 24, 2008 2:52 PM EDT up 0 recs

Here

is another ranking of the top 5 at each position. mockingtheraft.com is a great SBN site if you haven't checked it out yet.

Harvey is #3 there. I have a feeling he won't make it to #21.

by TexSkins on Mar 24, 2008 3:04 PM EDT 0 recs

Even better...

is Mocking the Draft's top 320 players list.

Keep that in mind when you're thinking of who the Skins might or might not draft. Here's his draft break down and they have the 21st, 51st, and 84th overall picks. After the 3rd round the order will change, but those are the starting points.

by TexSkins on Mar 24, 2008 3:14 PM EDT up 0 recs

Do you know

when compensatory draft picks,and who gets them are announced?

by CptChaosSidekick on Mar 24, 2008 3:30 PM EDT up 0 recs

I had this in an earlier post...

which you can find here. From that post (which cites a Rich Tandler post):

The official announcement of the compensatory picks will be made at the owners' meeting in late March.

And the owners' meeting is set for March 30-April 3 in Palm Beach, at least according to Yahoo! Sports.

by TexSkins on Mar 24, 2008 5:03 PM EDT up 0 recs

Palm Beach, huh?

Those poor owners have it pretty rough if you ask me.

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by Skin Patrol on Mar 24, 2008 5:18 PM EDT up 0 recs

On The draft

Looking at some of the "mocks", I am really starting to disagree with the overall trends.
Hailredskins Mock Draft Databaseper pennskins fan

the Redskins taking at #21:
DEFENSIVE END: 85 Mocks
WIDE RECEIVER: 53 Mocks
SAFETY: 9 Mocks
DEFENSIVE TACKLE: 7 Mocks
OFFENSIVE LINE: 6 Mocks
CORNERBACK: 5 Mocks
LINEBACKER: 3 Mocks

While DE is highest, too many are stretching to take players that should not be taken in the first round. The Redskins still need to focus on a player of value. If one of the TOP 3 or 4 DEs are not available, then the pick should be something else....

by dr WNC on Mar 24, 2008 5:34 PM EDT 0 recs

Strongly as apposed

to weakingly agree with you. Even though I'm Mr "draft a d-lineman" in the first, it looks like better and possible big sized talent at Wr will be availible at spot #21

by CptChaosSidekick on Mar 24, 2008 5:38 PM EDT up 0 recs