Some clarity on Peyton Manning's injury
There is way too much misinformation on Peyton Manning's injury. First of all, a little history.
According to Dungy and Manning, Peyton received his initial neck injury in a game against the Washington Redskins on Oct. 22, 2006. Dungy recalled that " Manning's neck was wrenched and his helmet ripped off when he took a hit by Andre Carter followed by a hit from Phillip Daniels". The hits were legal so do not read anything into that.
When Manning got up he shook his right arm " as if to get the feeling back into it". Peyton took a time out and told the back up QB to be ready. Peyton went on to throw for 244 yards and three TD's in the second half. According to Irsay and Dungy the neck would get aggravated over the next few years but nothing really abnormal.
But, in September of 2010 it was reported that Peyton had been injured sometime before week one. That is when the disc in his neck began to do nerve damage. Manning struggled with pain throughout the 2010 season. He admitted to not having as much throwing strength as usual. This resulted in his decreased production: 91.2 passer rating, 4700 yards, 33 TD's and 17 Int. (hell of a season for an injured QB).
Peyton's first two surgeries were more noninvasive in an attempt to keep the disc from doing damage to the nerve. The fusion was done on the third attempt and was successful. Two of the countries leading neurosurgeons, along with the Colts neurosurgeon have cleared Peyton to play in the NFL again. This relates completely to the fusion itself. Not the nerve regeneration that is subsequent to the fusion surgery.
Peyton is no more likely to "break his neck and be paralyzed" than anyone else in the league. The fusion does not make his neck "weaker", it just may be a little less mobile. Only time will tell. The discs are fused and healed and no longer do damage to the nerve, which is what has caused the loss in arm strength.
The question now is, when and if the nerve will completely heal. This process can take from a few months to a year. The fact is, a study was done on this very issue in regards to NFL players who have had disc herniation's and nerve damage. According to the Spine Orthopedics,Aug. 2010, 72% of NFL players who underwent surgery for disk herniation and resulting nerve damage returned to play, on average for 2.8 more years. The non-surgery group returned to play for just 1.5 years.
In an interview with Joe Montana, Joe said he underwent fusion surgery in 1986 and was told many of the same things Peyton has by so many around him- just retire. Montana underwent his surgery and went on to win Super Bowls 23 and 24, was MVP in 1989, Super Bowl MVP and led his team to two 14-2 regular seasons. And all of this after disc fusion surgery.
According to Peyton and those around him he is getting strength back in his arm. Both Reggie Wayne and Joseph Addai took some reps from Manning and agreed that he was getting more zip on the ball. It could still take several months to find out if Peyton will be in that 72% club and get back to full strength.
The Colt's do not have the luxury of waiting to find out as they have to make a decision before March 8th and a 28 million dollar bonus they would have to pay Manning. It's not going to happen and Peyton will become a free agent.
The rest of the NFL has more time to see how Peyton is doing. The fact is the odds are in Peyton's favor. He is already getting his strength back and there is a three out of four chance his nerve will heal completely. If so, I believe Peyton has at least three more years of Manning level football left in him, maybe more. He may be 36 but other than this neck injury he was the least sacked QB in the league his entire career. He has never taken the kind of punishment other older QB's have endured.
I would also add that Peyton may be the smartest most cerebral QB in history. I believe he can adjust his game as he gets older and still be just as dangerous. Kinda like Michael Jordan when he could no longer dunk a ball from the free throw line. He just invented the fade shot and won more titles.
If Peyton's nerve completely heals, a team in need of a franchise QB would be nuts not to go for him. Just my two cents.
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I remember that game the Hirt on manning was clearly dirty they were trying to injure him
They just weren’t called for it
I call Shotgun!
Franchise QBs don’t become UFA unless there is some risk involved. See Brees, Drew for more information. Like the Saints in 2005, the Skins should sign Peyton Manning in 2012. I’ll take 3 or 4 solid years over trading our entire draft for a QB who might be good or might suck.
Pass me the burgundy and gold kool-aid
The columns by Reid and Hamilton in the Post are garbage. As a way to support his argument against signing Peyton Manning, Jason Reid stated that the Giants were geniuses for trading up to select his less talented (but still very good) younger brother. Tracee Hamilton actually compared Peyton to Donovan McNabb in her column. Hopefully, the Redskins will do the right thing and draft a T or CB in the 1st round and sign Peyton notwithstanding this crap.
No agent lol
Tell what is wrong with engaging all the teams I feel Peyton may end up at? See more of my answer to you at your KC site.
Why in the world would it bother you how many times I post this? Not everyone reads the posts at every team like you.
As a Redskins fan who is looking towards a QB for the future...
…couldn’t give a Shit.
Hope Peyton ends up somewhere and has a fruitful last few years of his career. Just not here.
by The Agent C 83 on Feb 10, 2012 12:10 AM EST reply actions 4 recs
So an injured Peyton is better then any QB we've had in 2 decades?
“decreased production: 91.2 passer rating, 4700 yards, 33 TD’s and 17 Int. (hell of a season for an injured QB).”
I’d love it if we could get a QB to have such a season.
the key "If Peyton's nerve completely heals"
and then the next question is whether or not he also prepared to mentor our QB of the future. We really need a QB for the next decade, not someone to fill in for 2-3 years.
He's 36 years old.
So, no.
"By far the worst performers on the (R*dskins) are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
Anything is possible
the question is: what’s likely?
"By far the worst performers on the (R*dskins) are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
Thank you for this
As a person who also has nerve damage resulting in muscle weakness, I have been trying to tell anyone who is interested in him that the vertebrae are not the issue… the nerve damage is.
The neurons and axons are capable of regeneration; but there is no proven way to speed the process, every individual is different (and breakthroughs are discovered every few years).
I completely agree with your assessment–Indianapolis can’t wait, but some other teams can.
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Time for some stem cell magic?
Then again, reports surfaced that Manning has already tried stem cell therapy in Europe…. Damn, thwarted again!
I have researched that therapy
And it works very well for certain organs and regeneration of bone–but no one has been successful yet in getting any appreciable benefit with the nervous system.
Just uninteresting side note… Duke University is the leader in stem cell research, but it is illegal to use stem cells on humans in this country. I do not think it is a coincidence that Peyton Manning is there right now, the actual procedure is comparatively cheap, only about $40,000 with travel outside the US.
It just shows you how messed up our medical system is in getting treatment to people with unusual circumstance.
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by Skins Fan '77 on Feb 10, 2012 12:17 PM EST up reply actions
Not illegal
No federal funds can be used for embryonic stem cell research. Adult stem cells are proving more viable anyhow.
by tuckwell on Feb 10, 2012 1:46 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
I have not found any medical facility in the United States
That will inject stem cells into a human being. I have been looking for two years. I heard directly from the doctor in charge of stem cell research at Duke University that it was illegal and that is why you can buy stem cells from the University ($5000), but you have to travel outside of the United States to get them injected.
And to be clear we are talking about HUMAN embryonic cells that do not receive federal funding. Landry received bovine stem cells at a facility here in the US.
Adult stem cells to be used on nerve regeneration are indeed adult human stem cells (harvested more and more from fat removed during cosmetic surgery)
if you do know of a facility in the United States that is injecting human stem cells, please provide a link. (I’m serious, this is more than a casual interest for me)
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by Skins Fan '77 on Feb 10, 2012 3:35 PM EST up reply actions
I very well may be mistaken
I was under the impression that any research using adult stem cells was perfectly fine. I’ll have to check with the person who was telling me about this.
Research is absolutely within the law
Treatment with stem cells is not technically illegal, but it is impossible to administer in the United States because of multiple factors… the two largest hurdles being the FDA and medical malpractice. Clinicians also are stymied by AMA standards of practice and the doctor’s patients cannot afford treatment unless they are wealthy.
I’m surprised that no one seemed taken aback by my statement that treatment with stem cells "is relatively cheap, $40,000 with travel outside the US". I guarantee you, the fusion process done on Peyton Manning’s neck cost at least twice that.
I checked again, looking for stem cell trials being conducted in US for the treatment of nerve regeneration. There are only two and one of them is by invitation only (never seen that before) both of them are phase 1 studies which only check for adverse side effects of treatment… so even if things go extraordinarily well, we are at least four years from FDA approval and realistically I think at least seven years.
I do not look very hard at European countries, but I found three studies for treatment.
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by Skins Fan '77 on Feb 11, 2012 12:44 PM EST up reply actions
medical stuff? Ewww!
there’s a reason I went into computers – they never bleed! I don’t mind seeing my own blood but I like it when everyone else keeps their blood to themselves!
Thank you, so much...
I grow tired of all the misinformation out there, and then the subsequent overdramatization by many.
I am right smack dab in the middle of this issue. One side reasons that, if we ever thought 5 yrs. ago that we would have ANY chance at a QB putting up #s Manning was, we would have blown a nut. I do believe that Manning will completely recover and continue his assault on NFL defenses (I have no concerns of paralysis).
The other side reasons, he is 36. He is coming off major surgery, which sidelined him for ONE WHOLE SEASON. Also, being on a new team, with new players who are unfamiliar with him, there has to be a learning curve. But he doesn’t have much time to adjust.
If I am running the Skins FO, I would be trading up for Luck., and short of Armaggedon, would do all I could to acquire him. If that would not work out, I would trade up for RG3. I would pass on Manning. Consider it a philosophical strategy. I would prefer making the move for the QB in this draft….
This was a well written article given that it was not done by a board certified neurosurgeon, but some there is some
erroneous parts to it. For example, the discs are not fused. “The discs are fused and healed and no longer do damage to the nerve…” it is the cervical vertebrae that are fused – http://www.spineuniverse.com/anatomy/cervical-spine-anatomy-neck. A plate made of something like titanium bridges between these vertebrae, i.e., C4 to C5, usually from the anterior side. Screws attach the plate to the adjoining vertebrae. A cage can be used to file the gap and support the neck.
Trade away the future for Luck?
Why is everyone so dead set against signing Manning to an incentive-laden contract? I don’t get it. It’s the best solution for the Redskins. Do want Rex Grossman as your bridge with no clear cut NFL starters in the draft below #2, do you want Kyle Orton, or do you want Peyton Manning? Would you absolutely hate to have free agents come here just because of Manning? This is a no-brainer to me. Go for the gold, and if it doesn’t work out, you didn’t trade away three first round picks.
Because the dude will be 37 years old.
The Redskins have already gone down this path, it is time to get your own guy from the draft a top QB prospect and allow him to grow with the young team that is in place. If Drew Brees was available i would not advocate picking him up. The Skins need to STOP picking up other teams leftover QB’s and trying to win with them.
Go Get Robert Griffin III and teach him how you want him to play QB, develop him in your system like Green Bay did Aaron Rodgers, Giants did Eli Manning, Patriots did Tom Brady, Chargers did Phillip Rivers until you do it the right way the Redskins will go another 20 plus years withou a true Franchise QB
And if he's Vick Part II
And gets injured, and we traded away our draft picks???? What are you talking about man? Yes, we are notorious for retreads. We are also notorious for mortgaging the future by giving up picks.
Like Jason? Or Patrick? Or Heath?
We’ve drafted QBs.
HAHAHAHAHA.......
that is awesome……I actually chuckled out loud!
Can we please get a mother f***ing QB we can be proud of?!?!?!?!?!?!
Can we sign Peyton Manning
And sign RGIII. Peyton lasts two years, instills a winning attitude, we develop our qb of the future, and in 2014 we are ready to roll.
Our fanbase is divided on many things, already
This would be like Grossman vs. Beck, Sonny vs. Kilmer, Gus vs. Heath, Ramsey vs. Brunell vs. Campbell vs. Colt……on horse steroids. Once X has a bad game, part of the fanbase will say play play Y.
Don't think both is a good option
It puts too much concentration in one position. For instance, let’s say Peyton is outstanding…plays perfect…for 3 years…never misses a snap. well…you have a very high draft choice contributing nothing. I just don’t think it’s a smart luxury to on purpose get two starter caliber players at QB. If it happens…oh well. But if you do it by design, you ignore other weak areas and basically put too much into someone who is a backup.
You forgot to mention that rookie contracts are only four years now
It would be silly to sit Griffin for three of them
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by Skins Fan '77 on Feb 12, 2012 5:10 PM EST up reply actions

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