Are the Pieces of a RG3 Trade Coming Together?
by Parks Smith on Feb 9, 2012 12:23 PM EST
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There has been a lot of discussion regarding the Redskins and Robert Griffin III. A lot of people think the Redskins want to get Griffin, but just aren't sure how the Redskins will get Griffin. Depending on how free agency shakes out the Redskins likely only route to obtaining the Heisman trophy winner is a trade with the St. Louis Rams for the second overall pick. Lately there have even been rumors of the Daniel Snyder outright buying the pick from St. Louis for some much needed money to renovate the Edwards Jones Dome and keep the team in St. Louis. The legality of such a move has been questioned.
The likely proposed bounty for Griffin at this point is a 2012 first and second round pick, plus a first rounder in 2013. NFL Network insider Michael Lombardi recently went on Bill Simmon's BS report and noted a trade for the second overall pick is becoming increasingly likely:
"Mike Shanahan and Jeff Fisher are very close, If there's trade to be made, it'll happen between those two."
Also, KC Joyner had an interesting take on how RG3's skillset would greatly benefit the Redskins:
"To get an idea of just how aggressive Mike Shanahan likes to be in the passing game, consider that Rex Grossman was able to rank 12th in the league in vertical pass attempts (171) despite starting only 13 games last year. If Shanahan let Grossman, a noted risk-taker, throw deep that often, one can only imagine how often he would let Griffin do so."
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If that's all it would cost
Holy cow, without a second thought.
"that's all?"
Would you trade Kerrigan, Trent Williams, and Jarvis Jenkins to the Rams for RG3?
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by Parks Smith on Feb 9, 2012 12:30 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
We're not trading Kerrigan, Trent Williams and Jarvis Jenkins.
I think of it as trading Laron Landry, Carlos Rogers and Malcolm Kelly.
I see it as more cushion for the pushin'
by iH8dallas on Feb 9, 2012 12:33 PM EST up reply actions 8 recs
O so Vinny Cerrato is still our general manager now and he's the one that would be picking for us this year?
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Slap, slap, slapping you.
I see it as more cushion for the pushin'
by iH8dallas on Feb 9, 2012 12:36 PM EST up reply actions 6 recs
You have to be objective. Our FO personnel is a lot better now then when those guys were drafted.
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by Parks Smith on Feb 9, 2012 12:37 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Yes, they are much better.
So when they trade those picks for RG3 I’ll trust the player is worth it. I also trust them to find talent in the middle and late rounds now as well.
So, I’d do that deal in a second.
I see it as more cushion for the pushin'
by iH8dallas on Feb 9, 2012 12:40 PM EST up reply actions 6 recs
no-brainer that Shanny would jump on
but i bet it will cost more
Pretty sure the Giants don't regret trading 2 1st's & a 3rd for Elisha Manning.
If RG3 is your guy then you go get him..If we’re in HH bizarro world and Luck is your guy then you trade up to #4 and grab Luck.
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by Diesel44 on Feb 9, 2012 1:16 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
I still think the asking price has to be slightly higher
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You can not just assume that the price will be higher
because Free agency will impact the value of the trade up, if 2 teams fill their QB needs with Flynn and Manning then all of these crazy Ricky Williams type of trades wont happen.
So as of right now you have to assume it will be closer to normal trade value than a bidders war type of trade scenario
free agency can also drive the price up
there will be more teams in need of a QB than those that can solve it in FA. So if at the end of the dance two or three teams are left standing, the Rams raise the price so high waiting for some team to get desperate.
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We already know what teams are in the market for a QB
Washington, Miami, Cleveland, to a lesser degree Seattle, Arizona.
So if 2 of the top teams needing a QB get on in FA then the demand goes down. If Cleveland and Miami get Flynn and Manning then the price to get RGIII just went down u might be able to just outright draft him at 6.
or If Washinton and Miami get Manning and Flynn then the Browns will not have to pay to move up or will be able to pay a lower price.
I dont see seattle as a real threat to trade up i think they stick with Jackson and Arizona still have Kevin Kolb which he may be available and that will drive the price down.
don't agree with seattle being lesser degree
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what about the Jets and Chiefs?
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what about them??
Dont go creating more teams that “may” want a QB. they both have QB’s already i doubt the Jets look to make a move cause they just made one to get Sanchez and Pioli is not the trade up type of GM he is from that New England school of drafting
Seattle really needs a qb.
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by Howard11 on Feb 9, 2012 4:13 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
I think you HAVE to assume the price is going to be higher.
There will be more than one team going after RG3, and thus negotiating with STL. The market that will be created will drive up the price….so I think you HAVE to assume the price will be higher than these low estimates.
And if you think Fischer is just going to give Shanny some good ‘ol boy deal, keep dreaming. He’s trying to surround his young QB with weapons and win games, not trying to do favors for friends.
Well
Two firsts and a second can get you some damn good weapons that will win games.
by The Agent C 83 on Feb 9, 2012 5:57 PM EST up reply actions
O so you can assume something but I can't have an opinion. Makes perfect sense.
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Everybody is entitled to a opinion
but the facts are you can not accurately predict what it will cost before Free Agency. But you can look at past trades and deals to get a feel for what the trade might actually look like. cause all this it will take 3 1st rd picks is out of line.
Exactly. The Giants lost a lot of players this year. Won it all.
Same with the Packers last year. But they didn’t lose their QB.
You can get by after losing your star RB, LB or whatever.
Lose your star QB and you’re screwed.
I see it as more cushion for the pushin'
by iH8dallas on Feb 9, 2012 1:18 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Houston looked pretty good this year
even after losing their QB, backup QB, NFL Top five RB and NFL top three receiver. Why? Depth. What do we lack most? Depth. What do you get in the draft? Depth.
by tuckwell on Feb 9, 2012 3:46 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
with a 3rd string 5th round rookie qb.
Could we do that?
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i don't think any is arguing that they are stronger with Schaub
just that depth and overall talent matter the most
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understood....
but it was Schaub leading them to the playoffs, and when they lost him (and his backup), all that depth provided nothing.
Would I love to have some of their talent, absolutely. But I also want a MUCH better QB this year, not next year or two/three years from now…
look at the teams they played at the end of the season
hardly a tough schedule
they was like 8-3 when they lost Schaub
but it did not help them out in the playoffs against B-more, if shaub was healthy they would have won but since they had Yates not play at high level they lost
Trade up to #4 and grab Luck?
Why do you think Luck will be available at #4? Just asking – first I’ve read of that scenario.
it was on the HH mock draft 2.0 yesterday
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The Hogs Haven mock draft has Luck going to Cleveland at four.
Yeah, I know.
I see it as more cushion for the pushin'
Donnio- I was mocking the HH mock draft.
Luck is going #1. It’s completely F’in insane to post a mock with him going #4. It’s Bleacher Report-esque.
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what you dont know wont hurt you
there is no way to know who we will miss out on. but if we have a chance at a franchise qb its something that is worth the risk
it's actually even more likely that we are giving up more value than Kerrigan, TW and Jenkins
we know that it would be the 6th and 39th pick, and this is a stronger draft class than either of the last two years. Next year’s pick is an unknown but my guess is it is higher than 16 where we got kerrigan.
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But...
These athletes are busts all the time…there is no promise that those picks will produce a stud!!
We can’t build a franchise on what-ifs…if it is believed that RGIII is the man for the next 10+ years…then get him.
Wishing for a QB next year could see more disappointment…ie, the guy you want regresses, gets injured, or worst is not in your reach because of your draft position.
Live for today and let tomorrow take care of itself!
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Terrible MO to have as a business
Live for today and let tomorrow take care of itself!
esp. a team that is devoid of a lot of depth and talent
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I disagree
If you live for today…you make today the best it can be…then tomorrow, you get up and you do it again.
But if you live for tomorrow all the time, when does today become awesome…
Furthermore…tomorrow is not promised, but you will always have today!
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by Legacee on Feb 9, 2012 2:01 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
READING is fundamental...
Never said spend all your money today…I never said anything about money.
Please take my statements for what they are…don’t twist them to prove your point…you do that alot…its pretty freakin annoying.
I said, build a foundation…a QB that has great potential, and one whom the team and fans can believe in, is a great foundation.
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unless he doesn't work
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Rex doesn't work
Honestly…what the hell do we have to lose!
People kill me acting like we are giving up something to take a chance on RGIII…even at his worst, the confidence that he will bring to the team and the fanbase will raise him above Rex!
Mystics fans have more guts than some folks here…its sick!!
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London wants Luck
he tweeted it not Griffin
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well if we had just half the luck the giants did
we woulda been the superbowl champs instead of them this year
by munson21502 on Feb 10, 2012 10:33 AM EST up reply actions
NO, NO, NO, NO
Rookie QB is a guarantee! NONE…so what is your point?
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Do people not realize
A good QB makes both the OL and WR look better than they really are?
Of course it does. There's no guarantee RG3 will be that good QB who does that
In fact, looking at the history of the draft, the chances are MUCH greater that he will be mediocre or worse….and then our Line and WRs will look like what they are: Not Talented
so we're never going to pick a QB
b/c he’s not guaranteed to be elite?
If it was up to some of these couch GMs, we would only use the wildcat.
No QBs ever.
I see it as more cushion for the pushin'
If we were in a position of strength, not weakness, it would make more sense to take a risk for RG3
But as it stands, we’ve had perhaps the best draft of the decade, 1 draft where we took at least 7 picks, and now everyone thinks we’re in a position to trade picks again.
How about we have 2-3 really good drafts in a row before we go back to trading away picks? Is that so crazy?
by StephanHart on Feb 9, 2012 3:54 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
nope its logical
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haha
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Until you get a real top quality QB
his team will be going into circles. Some of you act as if you have to have a perfect tteam in order to pull off this trade or you need to have all your holes filled and you dont. The Giants was far from a finished product when they got Eli 4-12 the year before with the 4th overall pick so dont go and say that the Giants was a better team than Redskins currently are, but they did not set their team back like some of you are suggesting
by Highspeed30 on Feb 9, 2012 4:24 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
yes, it is insane
because it supposes we’ll stay shitty enough to be within striking distance of an elite qb despite having filled in all the other holes.
by DCrez on Feb 9, 2012 3:55 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
1 year!
and last years was drafted at the end of the firs tround
And Big ben was drafted in the mdidle
And Brees in the 2nd
And BRady in the 6th
by StephanHart on Feb 9, 2012 4:00 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
And Eli is the only top 10 pick among them
Guess who hasnt sniffed a SB:
Matt Ryan
Alex Smith
Mark Sanchez
no one but Vinny wanted to trade up for any of them.
this is about a specific player, not the history of the draft
So NFC and AFC Championship games don't count as 'sniffing?"
You should clarify.
I see it as more cushion for the pushin'
alex smith hasnt sniffed a SB?
he was one shitty punt returner away from one this year
by itsstevenweinstein on Feb 9, 2012 5:20 PM EST up reply actions
so Drew Brees is Ryan Tannehill!
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by Steve Shoup on Feb 9, 2012 4:05 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
wait there is a Manning in the draft?
b/c in the last dozen years only Mannings win SB’s after being a top 10 pick.
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eh that's skewed
Brady had three and the mannings have three. Rothelisberger has 2. Rogers has 1. Brees has 1. And I can’t think of the other 2. Kurt Warner? So that’s 5 of 12 superbowls with 1st round draft picks at qb. 6 if you count Brees as a 1st
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by Howard11 on Feb 9, 2012 4:09 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Aaron Rodgers was a top QB prospect the year he was drafted, he just took a free fall, but he very well could have been the 1st overall pick. Both he and Drew Brees was the 2nd QB off the board in their draft year so that does not mean that they was not a top level talent just not as much need for Qb’s the years they was drafted
passing on an elite qb talent is a losing strategy.
it’s the height of foolishness to see the guy you think is a stud but not draft him because you want some more TEs and RTs first.
by DCrez on Feb 9, 2012 3:59 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
RG3 was elite in College, for 1 season
by StephanHart on Feb 9, 2012 4:00 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
He was very good last season as well
in a program at Baylor that did not go to a bowl before he got there. But just cause most did not hear of him dont mean he was not very productive in College. He got better every season and have a extremely high ceiling
Oh, we aren't passing on him.
If he falls to six, I’m all for it.
by tuckwell on Feb 9, 2012 6:05 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
what is this supposed area we need to be in for an elite QB?
Look around the league, where were Big Ben, Rodgers, Brees, Brady, Schaub drafted?? What about Romo, Warner, Favre?
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these people
want to wait 2 – 3 years. Then when we have a lower pick and we have to trade away MORE picks, they’re going to say “its not worth it.”
False, if we were a better team with more young talent, it wouldnt be so risky to trade up for a QB
by StephanHart on Feb 9, 2012 3:58 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
false, it would
because we would have to mortgage a shitload more picks to move up to draft a top rated QB
its a catch 22
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Howard- Catch 22?!?!
We don’t use that reference around these parts for obvious reasons.
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by Diesel44 on Feb 9, 2012 7:06 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Which would be more palatable
because the team doesn’t have as many needs to fill, thus won’t miss the picks as badly.
by tuckwell on Feb 9, 2012 6:03 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
I know what would make us stronger, having picks in rounds 1-4 for the next few years
by StephanHart on Feb 9, 2012 4:06 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I see where you are going...
I just can’t follow you. That does not make us stronger
That is like saying a man with a lot of money is a good businessman…one does not directly correlate to the other.
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yes good veteran QB's do that
good rookies don’t
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OK...
But what if we get Blackmon and he turns out to be Devin Thomas?!
My point is that, whatever move we make we are taking a risk…but which one will pay greater dividends?
QB by far in my opinion…but I may be looking at this from the wrong angle…jmo
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ummmm...
Because if he turns out to be a bust we only lost 1 pick instead of 2 firsts and a second…
Duh?
C’mon guys. Of course this is all speculation, but you use what knowledge you have. First round picks are more valuable because all the information you have points to the guys you use them on being more valuable!
It is always risk vs. reward. I don’t think RGIII is worth it. Too short and not good enough competition.
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He is 6'2" 220lbs??
Aaron Rodgers 6’2", Steve Young 6’2", Brett Farve 6’2", Tony Romo 6’2".
So i guess all of these guys was too short too??
Not really that tall
wait for the combine…
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by HogNasty on Feb 9, 2012 4:43 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
all you had to do is look at him stand next to Andrew Luck and see that he is 6’2, cause Luck is 6’4"
He's not 6'2 man, he's going to measure in at about 6'0
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by Highspeed30 on Feb 9, 2012 5:44 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
interesting still we will wait and see
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by Howard11 on Feb 9, 2012 10:21 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Fox
He’s going to dazzle in workouts, he’s going to wow in interviews and, if he measures up as listed, there are going to be teams that rank Griffin over Luck. The size issue matters. I’ve spoken to some NFL folks who insist Griffin is closer to 5 feet 11, 205 pounds than 6-2, 220. We’ll see.
"My cat's breath smells like cat food."
And who is to say...
That the talent will be here tomorrow…if you don’t do what you have to do today!
You do realize that you are both proving my point right?!!!
example…I’m planning for early retirement (my tomorrow statment)…but don’t I have to work hard to day to prepare for that?!
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by Legacee on Feb 9, 2012 2:03 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Furthermore...
You don’t plan for the future by building on ASSumptions and What-ifs…you plan for the future by suring up your current (Today) position and building upon that solid foundation.
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by Legacee on Feb 9, 2012 2:04 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I don't know what kind of work you are in, but I hope it's not business
Every (successful) company in world ABSOLUTELY plans their future on assumptions, projections, what-ifs, and analysis of future conditions. To say you’re going to act without considering these things is foolish and an irresponsible way to run an organization.
Well, football, with the salary cap, free agency and the new CBA is not like any other business.
I see it as more cushion for the pushin'
The point is to win, not turn the most profit.
If that was the case the Redskins and Cowboys would be up to their eyeballs in rings.
You have to get the best players on the field. RG3 is one of the best players out there.
I see it as more cushion for the pushin'
iH8, I wasnt talking about money, I was suggesting that, as in any other business, NFL franchises should use their resources wisely, and take the route toward Maximum reward and Minimun risk
But I’m glad you two had fun giving each other facials
Max reward is a packed stadium with an electrifying qb leading a revitalized team.
the risk is relatively minimum compared to the reward.
Okay, look at it this way.
The Redskins are GM circa 2008. A lot of dumb shit has us looking at banyruptcy.
We need a bailout. RG3 is that bailout.
Now GM is back on top.
I see it as more cushion for the pushin'
GM sucks
Yeah, those Chevy Volts are selling like hotcakes…don’t ever, ever, have our franchise aspire to be like GM.
by The Agent C 83 on Feb 10, 2012 8:34 PM EST up reply actions
And lets just say...
You plan and plan and plan for your future…but you never live to see it?
This is why you have to live for today!
You are planning for future Redskin acquisitions…and what happens if by some strange twist of fate, they team is sold to LA and leaves DC for the 2014 season…then what has your planning got you?!?!?! NOW is all we have…tomorrow is never promised!
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Are you on your death bed or something?
tomorrow is never promised!
And stop treating this franchise like a team thats been saving and saving their resources, too scared to spend
by StephanHart on Feb 9, 2012 3:37 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Not dying...very much so enjoying life
And no we haven’t been saving…but we haven’t been smart with resources either…we finally have wise decisions coming from the FO and we the fan base are at odds because of fear of failure…HELLO…we have been failing epicly for years!
Vinny’s failure is not of this regime…think RGIII trade could help the team turn the corner
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Logical Fallacy
We didn’t trade up for McNabb…he has nothing to do with this conversation
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huh?
the McNabb trade def. affects our ability to trade up. It robbed us of two young potential talents, who could either make us closer to contending or be used as trade chips.
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My point
We did not trade for him during the draft…that was a “Win Now” ploy that was implemented to jump-start the team…it didn’t work.
And you keep saying we lost young talent…those picks were not guaranteed to be “WINNERS”. We have to stop making that connection…look at all the high picks that are garbage in the league…you cannot say without trading picks for McNabb we would be better.
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cant be winners if we dont draft them
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Mayans dude, they are never wrong
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in one second
You do mean the Jarvis Jenkins who has yet to play in an NFL game and is coming off major knee injury right? And the Trent Williams that was busted for drugs use 13x and is one puff away from a year suspension too right?
Nice point
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by CptChaosSidekick on Feb 9, 2012 1:00 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Parks
Remember, now all 1st and 2nd rounders prove to be a value add. You can’t pick 3 valuable players and say that is equal to what we would give up…because for every Jarvis Jenkins, there is a Malcolm kelly or Devon Thomas…or Heath Shuler.
I get your point…but you can’t connect those dots in such a concrete manner.
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I'm not picking random players, I'm picking what that trade would look like under this amdin
I didn’t say that that talent level would equal this trade, its simply an question of “would you”
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by the same token you can't assume RGIII will turn out to be even starter quality then given the track record of QB's
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no comparison is fair...
we can’t use hind-sight to hypothetically throw out trade values. No one knew what Newton would be, Brady, etc. That is only after the facts.
IF RG3 became great, then many would say we should do it. Unfortunately, we cannot fortell the future…
Agreed
And Parks, I got your point…just playing devil’s advocate…as that is how your point could be taken.
Most here are some what logical…but others are so off base its crazy. At some point, you have to just take a chance…because no matter who we pick…its still a risk because no draftee is promised to be uber successful in the league!
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No I completely agree with what you're saying
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now some sane reporting...
WE ARE MOVING UP TO #2, AND SELECTING…………………………………..
whichever QB Indy does not…
boyyy howwwddyyyy
Would I Everrr
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by Al_CaPWNED on Feb 9, 2012 12:29 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I've been sticking to this prediction for a while now.
When I get it right I’ll change my handle to Dr.H8 Professor of predictions.
I see it as more cushion for the pushin'
I seriously believe next years 1st could be a top 5 pick. No chance I'd do that.
Maybe just a smokescreen but Lombardi said RG3 isn’t necessarily a fit for the Browns: “Cleveland wants to be an under-center team” w/Childress. Says Griffin needs shotgun.
SMH
If I’m reading you cooment right you don’t want to trade our 1st next year bc we might have a top 5 pick the following year…#mindblown
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by CptChaosSidekick on Feb 9, 2012 12:41 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Yes
With or without RGIII. Unless you have delusions of grander and think RGIII will propel this team into the playoffs.
If you look at the big picture
Our schedule will be tough. AFC North compounded with playing the NFC South. Also, people are narrow minded in thinking a QB can compensate for the other deficiencies on this team.
2up2down you put it very nicely here
lso, people are narrow minded in thinking a QB can compensate for the other deficiencies on this team.
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Can someone please tell me...
How people know how terrible our team will be, when we don’t even know the roster?!?!?!
Indy showed us this year what one player can do…and that swing can go either way. After we get our FAs (WR, OL, possibly CB)…how could we not keep going in the right direction…2nd year in the system for some of our quality players…why is it so hard to agree that this team could be competitive next season..
Hell, we have been depressed for years…lets start being positive and looking towards brighter days…
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by Legacee on Feb 9, 2012 1:20 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
You did see...
That PM can’t really throw the ball right now? right?
I don’t think anyone said he was better than any current NFL QB…but he has the potential to be ranked among them once he gets going…is that possibility that has many of us willing to take a chance…if not him do we stick with Beck and Rex…Beck is still under contract…maybe he’s ready now! LOL>>>>hahahahahahah
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I was just responding
To the quote, “Indy showed us what one player can do”
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Half The freaking posters on this site have already put him in the hall of fame
I don’t think anyone said he was better than any current NFL QB
by davetrembling on Feb 9, 2012 6:07 PM EST up reply actions
Barring a career ending injury
He will be one day
There is absolutely no way of knowing how tough the schedule will be.
I see it as more cushion for the pushin'
I see 6 wins if lucky, not trying to play Nostradamus.
Home games: New York Giants, Philadelphia, Dallas, Atlanta, Carolina, Baltimore, Cincinnati, Minnesota
Away games: New York Giants, Philadelphia, Dallas, New Orleans, Tampa Bay, Cleveland, Pittsburgh, St. Louis
really?
Tampa, St. Louis, and Cleveland are the only ones that stand out, and we don’t exactly have a great track record of ’taking care of business"
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by Steve Shoup on Feb 9, 2012 12:57 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I think we'll get
4 divisional wins this year. I think we will take carolina, cinci, and minnesota at him. Cleveland away. And maybe a surprise upset. But then im always optimistic in the offseaso
That’s still a low teens pick…and I don’t even see 8 wins.
by 2up2down on Feb 9, 2012 12:59 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Just looking at the teams
Doesn’t provide a good guess at how they’ll do next year.
I wonder how many teams saw San Fran as a win coming into this year?
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by Ohio Redskins on Feb 9, 2012 1:04 PM EST up reply actions
Not me
The world looks mighty different when you're peeking out your belly button
by Skins Fan '77 on Feb 9, 2012 1:22 PM EST up reply actions
so let me make this clear...
to all you “No-Trade” group -
Your bring in as many rookies as we can, still does not get us more wins, since it appears to you that our schedule is immovable. Yes, you are preparing for the future (foundation, depth, all that). But that is precisely what I am saying in regards to selecting RG3, future, foundation…
Your giving up the future, foundation for RGIII and praying he doesn’t bust or he’ll set the franchise back.
by 2up2down on Feb 9, 2012 1:06 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
no, he is the future...
let’s stop talking about failure. We have already gone round and round with draft pick failures…
Isn't that a chance that we're willing to make?
A chance to take our team to the next level.
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by Ohio Redskins on Feb 9, 2012 1:08 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah if only we had the cast for him to succeed.
by 2up2down on Feb 9, 2012 1:11 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
We can build around Griffin
Much easier than finding a QB to fit in with what we have…. We’ll end up with Orton or Quinn this way.
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by Ohio Redskins on Feb 9, 2012 1:13 PM EST up reply actions
Build with what?
No draft picks? FA is good, but a good team does not live on FA alone. Or the draft alone. They must be used in concert to achieve success.
by tuckwell on Feb 9, 2012 3:50 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions 1 recs
Our WRs/TEs stock with RG3 is higher than their stock with Rex, do you agree?
When the pocket collapses, we need a QB who can make plays. Having all of those picks doesn’t mean as much when we have a QB who can’t make things happen.
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by Ohio Redskins on Feb 9, 2012 4:25 PM EST up reply actions
Their stock is also higher with:
26 other starters from last year, Flynn, Orton, Manning with half an arm, Weeden, Foles, or the ghost of Sammy Baugh.
by tuckwell on Feb 9, 2012 5:49 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
the same picks the Giants used after they gave up "the farm " for Eli. The reality is that yeah to trade for RG3 it is gonna cost some draft picks but it is not a Ricky Williams deal giving a 2nd this year and a 1st and 3rd or 4th next year does NOT qualify as giving away ALL your picks
to be honest
I’d rather just give all this picks up rather than a 1st, 3rd and 4th next year
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I understand where you're coming from 2up2down
But I don’t want to look back 2 years from now, while RG3 is tearing up the NFL, and know that we had a chance to make a move for him but didn’t. There’s risk with everything.
I can say with full confidence that I think RG3 has #1 pick talent that will go later because of Luck.
If we bring in a solid QB, talent will come to DC wanting to play with him.
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by Ohio Redskins on Feb 9, 2012 1:26 PM EST up reply actions
What is up with all these assumptions?
RGIII is going to tear the league up? He’s our savior? I’m not even sold on RGIII as others and that seems to be the contentious point. Smart + athletic =/= success, sounds contradictory but ask Alex Smith.
by 2up2down on Feb 9, 2012 3:55 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
how is Alex Smith unathletic??
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You do know Alex Smith was a very smart guy 3.7 GPA or something and working on his masters, right? He wasconsidered athletic and still is.
To be more specific
Alex Smith got his Bachelors in Economics in two years with a 3.74 GPA and was working on his Masters prior to the draft.
the pundits are irrelevant
only Shanny’s thoughts matter
And...
If he doesn’t like RGIII, are you going to call for his head?
All I was saying
Was that IF RG3 becomes a stud for another team, I don’t want to look back knowing that we could’ve had him.
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by Ohio Redskins on Feb 9, 2012 4:14 PM EST up reply actions
Understandably
I would only be willing to move picks for this year. Preferably our 1st + a roster player, but that seems highly unlikely.
People may have different opinions on it, but our 1st next year imo will be top 10 at least.
Would love to...
use your draft bounty…but why do you feel we are going to still be terrible next year?
Is there nothing that give you hope of us winning more games and actually starting to be competitive?
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Transitioning to a younger roster
leads to growing pains. They’ll develop with experience but don’t expect too much too soon.
I expect a top 15 type of pick next year
but I am ok with not having a 1st next year cause i dont have to worry about the QB spot for a while hopefully the next 10-15 years. and by most accounts people think we would use a 1st on a Qb next year anyway even if they draft a 2nd tier guy like Tannehill,Foles, Weeden.
Are you always this negative
How oftern have you heard “QUALITY” players say how much they would love to play on teams with certain people?
RGIII will not only help to improve the talent level on the team…but he will draw other FAs next season that like what is happening her in DC.
If you want to win, you have to grap the people that give you the best chance to do so.
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I see that kind of thing with Cam Newton.
His teamates seem to love playing with him. Who wants to play with Orton or Grossman?
I see it as more cushion for the pushin'
name either of those guys starter and the rest of the team is like "oh well, maybe next year"
Orton is a fat drunk and Rex is just fat. The other players have no confidence in guys like that. Bring in a dynamic guy like RG3 and the WHOLE TEAM believes sky is now the limit. Especially with the success Cam and Dalton just had.
Tough schedule
but I can see – as a first guess – beating TB, Cleve, Stl, Minn, Car and Cin, and splitting the division, for 9 wins. I.e., split with all paired divisions and sweep the two extras (Stl and Minn). Car and Cin not unwinnable at home. There are a number of ways we could do better, or worse.
Won't be a better team.
We’ll have a better QB and a FA signing or two. The team as a whole won’t be significantly better.
by tuckwell on Feb 9, 2012 3:48 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
There is no delusion about it. Poor QB play is what kept this team out of the playoffs.
I see it as more cushion for the pushin'
You really believe that? That's the only thing that kept us out of the playoffs?
Wow.
by 2up2down on Feb 9, 2012 12:46 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Are they expanding the playoffs to 32 teams?
Peyton Manning can’t even physically throw the ball to his left right now
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by Parks Smith on Feb 9, 2012 1:41 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
+1 Parks
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by Ohio Redskins on Feb 9, 2012 1:42 PM EST up reply actions
In all fairness
Neither can Beck, who is currently the only QB on our team.
Where do they teach you to talk like this? In some Panama City "Sailor wanna hump-hump" bar, or is it getaway day and your last shot at his whiskey? Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.
LOL
But Beck didn’t have a damaging neck injury…his inability is natural.
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Peyton with a bum neck is still immensely better than Beck
by Bryan Black on Feb 9, 2012 5:26 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
wow...so the offensive line, RB, WR, TE play had nothing to do with it on offense
and the lack of a run defense or a compentant secondary had no impact? Our Special teams being among the worst in the league in returns or all the blocked FG’s didn’t affect us?
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What happened to Chicago? They are well on their way to the playoffs and then UH-OH..
Their QB goes down. All of the sudden the whole team looks like garbage.
YES, it was QB play.
I see it as more cushion for the pushin'
So our supporting cast = Chicago's supporting cast?
Same w/ Houston?
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huh?
since when did our receivers become world beaters
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Ask any Chicago fan if they would trade offensive lines with Washington and I bet 100% would say hell yes.
I see it as more cushion for the pushin'
What about defense, running backs, and wide receivers?
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Wide receivers is a push. Chicago has Forte, we have Helu, Royster and Hightower.
Our defense, when playing with a lead, is damn good.
Tight ends? Skins
I see it as more cushion for the pushin'
Keep dreaming...
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Really? What am I dreaming about or is that your way of saying, "Ok you're right, I got nothing?"
I see it as more cushion for the pushin'
So if you asked a NFL fan, as a GM, would you rather have the Bears roster (minus Cutler)...
Or the Redskins roster, then most fans would choose the Redskins?
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I don't like the bears roster
except for urlacher, be we have fletcher. I’ll take ours.
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Yes
Peppers is old. Urlacher is old. Hell, the entire defense is old.
The Redskins have much more young talent than the Bears.
I see it as more cushion for the pushin'
I would like for our defense to have the ability to catch the ball though
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they are younger than our best player Fletcher
and you know why the Redskins have more young talent? Bc the Bears traded away a pair of first rounders for Cutler
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Aside from Fletcher, who plays like a 25 year old, who is the oldest defensive player?
I see it as more cushion for the pushin'
what do Urlacher and Peppers play like? What does Lance Briggs play like?
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Absolutely not...
they had great players on defense, who never got dethroned by players brought in. The those players got old. That is why their defense got old…
what does this mean??
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Steve, how foolish are you to tie that trade to old defense...
you know better. It’s not as if Chicago traded all their picks away for Cutler. Don’t make stupid statements like that, it discredits you…
how does it discredit me??
you don’t think trading away a pair of first round picks (neither in the top 10) and a 3rd rounder has hurt their young talent level??
Please explain how that is stupid in any way shape or form?
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how the Bears FO decided to use their draft picks...
was up to them. Could they have selected Defensive players, sure. But you are tying it exclusively to the Cutler trade. That is absolutely false, nor are you in any position to make a judgement such as that…
what are you talking about?
1. why am i not in a position to make such a judgement but apparently you are?
2. Even if the Bears decided to use those picks on offense, it would have freed up other picks or free agent signings to potentially be on defense.
3. I never tied it exclusively to the Cutler trade. But I did make the point that the Bears are lacking young talent b/c of a major loss of premium draft picks.
I realize you don’t like history, facts or logic stand in the way of your ‘damn the torpedoes" approach for getting a QB, but they are all valid. So i’m not sure why you keep rejecting them.
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the Bears were 7-3 on a 5 game win streak when Cutler went down.
they would never undo the trade for Cutler if given the chance
well that could be debateable but that really isn't the question here
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oh, that' right, I forgot who I was talking to..
1. I am not judging anything. You are the one who brought the subject up (see the next point).
3.
Bc the Bears traded away a pair of first rounders for Cutler
YOU DID TIE IT TO THE CUTLER TRADE!! Those are your words. Don’t deny it.
Did the trade lower their level for Young talent? Yes. But that was not your original point. That is what I will take exception to.
And, If your “history, facts or logic” make absolute NO SENSE, then, yes, I will keep rejecting them…
by jgibbsfan1 on Feb 9, 2012 1:37 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
haha
1. how did i deny it?
2. What am I judging? I made a factual statement, which you said a couple posts ago was ‘absolutely false’ but now are amending that.
3. How was that not my original point since I said that they have less young talent b/c of that trade.
4. What about my history, facts, logic makes ‘no sense’?
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my last response...
1. ??????
2. I am not amending anything. I stand by my stance the you are in no position to make a statement that the Bears defense is old due to the Cutler trade (the subject matter was the Bears defense, not their whole team).
4. It makes no sense, due to the fact that Cutler has demonstrated being one of the better QBs in the league. I thought the Bears paid WAY TOO MUCH for him then, but now, I’m pretty sure the FO is happy they made that trade. They have a very good QB (just under franchise-guy).
Thanks for the midday joust….
how am I in no position?
you haven’t made that clear. It is a completely fair assumption that the Bears could have used 1 of those 3 premium picks (if not more) on their defense.
So how does that make no sense?? I’m not arguing whether or not the Bears are happy with the trade or not. What i’m saying is their defense is older and window closing (because I’m assuming that is the point Ihate was making) because of that trade. The Bears are probably happy with their Top 15 QB, and that is fine. But you can look at the road not taken, and where they might be. Or simply say that the Bears were in a position to do so, b/c they were already more established.
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That's an interesting fact iH8
It’s odd thought that the Redskins starting defense average age was 28, but yet the Bears average defensive starters were also 28 years old.
You’ve already conceded that the Bears defense is better, but you wanted to take the younger defense… hmmm…
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So exceptions are allowed for the Redskins but not the Bears?
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exactly and when he's gone in 2 or 3 years max the Skins are hurting
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And are you talking about day one defense or at the end of the season?
I see it as more cushion for the pushin'
okay, so whats the point?
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The point is, even with a half ass supporting cast, Jay Cutler was going to get the wildcard spot.
With CALEB HANIE in there, shit fell apart.
QB is more important than everyone else.
I see it as more cushion for the pushin'
by iH8dallas on Feb 9, 2012 1:02 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
While I don't all out agree with H8 here it certainly wasn't our Division opponents that kept us out
It also wasn’t our Defense. It was the offense and who on our offense was really more to blame than Rex and his 2 int a game average?
You don't think our division opponents will improve?
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i'm not saying RGIII makes us a playoff contender
I’m just saying I think he’d solidify our most glaring position of need for the next ten years
again i say think, because anything can happen
But would it make more sense to shore up those other positions of need and then get your "franchise" guy?
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by Parks Smith on Feb 9, 2012 12:56 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Thats one way to go about it
But my personal opinion is that Griffen is going to be fantastic QB in the NFL.
So we should get him while we’re in reach, If we shore up the other positions then the cost to move up for a sure thing will increase. Maybe we get a guy in the second or third that can learn behind our stop gap but I think RGIII is worth the trade up.
Again just my opinion a valid point can be made about trading down and shoring up everything and adding a qb when the team is ready.
I was in that boat last year, but I think FA and our Draft last year did alot to help this team. I think our record will be increasing and the cost to move up for a top tier qb will increase with it over the next few years
no, it doesnt make more sense.
unless you think that after adding another 5-6 players this offseason, the skins will be worse than last year and end up with a top3 pick.
maybe I can see
3 losses to AFC North
3 losses in NFC East
2 losses in NFC South
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those are just foreseeable losses
and guesses at best. no need to be a dick and say its foolproof. Your just mad because you said it’d cost a 1st and a 2nd this year. A very reasonable price for a QB, and everyone would take that but you.
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to be fair I almost wrote something snide too regarding guessing losses
but then i saw that you started with
maybe I can seeNot we’re going to lose to
This excercise is foolproof!
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I disagree
Our good young guys age & go the way of FA while the rest of the team wallows in mediocrity as we continue to lose by a TD or less waiting for some average QB like Burnnell, McNabb, Grossman to get lucky.
Look I get your point. This team has holes & losing draft picks makes it harder to fill them. A decent QB & we win both games vs Dallas & the majority of the close ones we lost.
Football is obviously a team sport but an elite QB can turn franchises around. Brees, Mannings, Brady, etc have all done this. I’m NOT saying RG3 is the next one but there comes a point were the Washington Redskins have to invest in getting someone who’s got the God given ability to take the ball & go 80 yards in a 2:00 drill because that player isint in FA pool.
I’m against getting “bent over the table” to move up in the draft but I’m strongly against the side that fears making the trade simply because they’re not sure how it’ll turn out. What I think Skins fans should be asking is: What would you trade to put this franshise back on the map?
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by CptChaosSidekick on Feb 9, 2012 1:17 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I think we had 12 great draft picks last year all of which added much needed depth
But this year I think we really need to address the qb problem. I wouldn’t be pissed if we got Peyton, I just think that RGIII is the long term solution we desperatly need.
It’ll suck not having a 1st round pick next year, but I like what Shanny did late in the draft and I think he can handle a year without a 1st
I was hearing yesterday that Childress is actually a fan of McCoy
Also that Holmgren thinks you have to give a quarterback 32-36 starts before you can properly begin your evaluation of whether or not he is a starter.
McCoy has started 21 games.
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John Beck is only on what 7 or 8? we have plenty of time
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Thank god we're not on the Holmgren system
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haha
i get the feeling that is just a smoke screen for Holmgren
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For that cost yes as long as it doesn't cost a 2nd in 2013
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Why is that your tipping point? You put all that on the table, but will walk away at adding another 2nd?
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Because It's only costing 1 first and 1 second.
However I would prefer we keep all our picks this year…if shanny isn’t happy with the QBs
Trade down
1 Floyd
2 Best OT
2 Best OG
(order of the 2 2nds doesn’t matter)
3 CB
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2 first, 1 second...
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Yeah, the one of the first is a swap, so you really can't count that
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by Skins Fan '77 on Feb 9, 2012 12:45 PM EST up reply actions
you actually should b/c that player probably has the most value
when it all comes down to it, it is RGIII vs 3 players
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by Steve Shoup on Feb 9, 2012 12:52 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
The 2012 first we don't lose. We simply trade spots, so it's not like we "lose" that pick.
it costs us 1 first and 1 second.
I see it as more cushion for the pushin'
So will the Rams draft 3 players in this deal?
I get that its a “swap” but you’re still giving away 3 picks in exchange for 1.
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So using my superior math skills
I arrived at a net result of two players
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by Skins Fan '77 on Feb 9, 2012 12:57 PM EST up reply actions 7 recs
it doesn't matter you don't discount that player
if that is the case then we shouldn’t count Kerrigan as part of the haul last year for Gabbert
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This is the way I see it
X. equals X. plus Y. plus Z.
the exes cancel out, leaving Y. and Z.
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by Skins Fan '77 on Feb 9, 2012 1:04 PM EST up reply actions
i get that the net is 2 plus picks
but the actual value is the some of all 3 picks vs RGIII,
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basically there's two ways to look at it
So there’s no point in arguing it.
how are their two ways to look at it?
in what way are we not giving up the 6th pick as part of the deal?
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I'll answer your first question
I’m looking at it in a different way than you are. My way + your way = 2 ways! Horrah!
We are giving up the 6th pick and getting the 4th pick in return. we are swapping firsts at the cost of a first and a second. This is just the way I see it. The way you see it is valid too.
But clearly this argument needs more discussion as it is what is important about this post. So by all means, Continue.
its the same way you are just defining things differently to make it seem not as big of a loss
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I'm not arguing the cost to move up to the 2nd pick
what i’m arguing is how the trade should be valued and that is 3-1.
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it is 3 to one but you only gave up 2 additional players
you did not give up 3 players any way you look at it cause you got 1 back so 3 -1 = 2
so your point is essentially we are giving up 2 players for nothing
since that 1-1 equal out.
Yes i realize the difference is 2 players for the right to move up 4 spots and that is fine. My point is when this trade is graded it is 3 players to 1 player. Lets just say it is RGIII and Reiff. Not only does RGIII have to have more value than Reiff, but he has to have more value than two additional players.
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if RGIII is there at 6, do you take him?
If yes, then you’re only giving up two picks to draft him. You can’t count the player we would have taken at 6.
you are giving up the #6 pick
but the additional picks are what was need to get the #2 pick or what was given in addition to the 6 pick. you would not be losing out on anything with reguards to that pick cause you got a player but you will lose out in the 2nd rd pick this year and 2013 1st rd pick next year
You should be the chief negotiator for the Redskins.
‘77: We’ll give you our 2012 1st, 2nd and 1st in 2013
Rams: Sounds good
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Rams: WTF?
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(Mr. Burns voice…) excellent
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by Skins Fan '77 on Feb 9, 2012 1:11 PM EST up reply actions
So how many did we trade?
The only player out of the three in the deal that you even have a clue on who it is going to be is this year’s first, which makes it the most valuable.
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Well if you look at it that way
Then we are swapping a six and receiving a two… that is better, correct?
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by Skins Fan '77 on Feb 9, 2012 1:06 PM EST up reply actions
No if you're looking at your way a ghost runner has been traded to the Rams for the #2
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You lost me
Can you please define "ghost runner"?
I thought I was giving a six?
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by Skins Fan '77 on Feb 9, 2012 1:15 PM EST up reply actions
i think parks wants you to call the redskins and rams coaching staff
and find out who we woulda picked if there wasnt a trade. then wants to to call the rams and ask who they will take with our picks after the trade.
you are still trading players
you can’t ignore the potential impact that player would have
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God knows a right guard is more important than a QB.
I see it as more cushion for the pushin'
by iH8dallas on Feb 9, 2012 12:53 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
not on his own, but with two other players he probably is, in fact by a lot
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by Steve Shoup on Feb 9, 2012 12:54 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
so money is equal to value?
Boy it is shocking the Redskins don’t have like 5 Super Bowl rings in the last 12 years given how much money they’ve spent.
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by Steve Shoup on Feb 9, 2012 1:02 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
yeah those right guards are at the top of each draft arent they
damn near impossible to find quality lineman in later rounds too?
That is correct
It is damn near impossible to find quality beyond round three
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by Skins Fan '77 on Feb 9, 2012 1:08 PM EST up reply actions
well DeCastro is probably the best guard prospect in 10 + years
so he is a rare breed. But there is also Riley Reiff, or any other number of talented players. Or ideas like say trading back and stockpiling picks.
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There is not a Guard or a Tackle in the NFL that you will take over Brady, Brees, Rodgers, Manning, Rothlisberger. The QB has way more impact than any single position in football
fantastic
what if RGIII is Matt Ryan, what if he is Jay Cutler. What if he is Jason Campbell? Or even worse?
You can’t just assume he’ll be great. Christ Sam Bradford was supposedly a can’t miss, but after two years there are some serious questions.
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I am not assuming he will be great i feel ther is a very good chance he will
but that is not the point I am saying that there is not a G or T in the NFL no matter how great they are that you would take over those QB’s
There is more value in a QB you can take a Matt Ryan, or Jay Cutler over a Great elite lineman
But you cant take a average lineman over a elite QB, cause you cant take a Elite Lineman over a Elite QB.
The Value of the QB is just way higher than any other position, and the rules even dictate that in todays NFL
The Jets have like three elite linemen,
but it does them no good because their QB is hot garbage.
I see it as more cushion for the pushin'
They should of drafted another O-linemen
that would of pushed them over the hump
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by Howard11 on Feb 9, 2012 3:32 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
it would have brought them closer than Sanchez has
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Yes, on their defense primarily
by Bryan Black on Feb 9, 2012 5:47 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
I'm pretty sure you are on board with Drew Brees being a great QB
yet he’s missed the playoffs twice since being a member of the Saints
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I agree with Dr.iH8
to many 1st round linemen is counter productive to the rest of the offense.
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We can assume he will be great just as those can assume that he will bust
There are assumptions being made on both sides. Let me ask you if you had to go either way on RGIII, would you feel safer assuming boom or bust? Purely based on his qualities that have been outlined by both those in favor or trading up AND ALSO those in favor of trading down?
by Bryan Black on Feb 9, 2012 5:45 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
you can find things to nit pick about
but his overall package is Great, he is smart, charismatic, athletic, accurate, hard worker, leader and would be a great face of your franchise. I dont see what there is not to like about the kid
and we cant ignore the need of a frachise qb either
if we stay at 6. there isnt really any players at positions of need worth a top 6 pick. so we are gonna have to reach and take a lesser prospect with the 6th pick or hope to trade back with a team needing a RB or WR. i think either blackmon or richardson will be the 2 we will have to chose from. given our past i dont want to draft a wr that high. and i dont think we need a RB that bad. so that adds to the worth of risking a trade up to get most needed position imo.
Yes please
Elite arm, elite intagables, A student. I don’t understand why this is a tough decision. We are NOT going to be in a position to grab a QB of this skill set again anytime soon.
I'm worried about the beer supply. After this case, and the other case, there's only one case left- Barney Gumble
by CptChaosSidekick on Feb 9, 2012 12:38 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Yes we will
We will have a top 10 next year (which will be four years in a row)
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by Skins Fan '77 on Feb 9, 2012 12:44 PM EST up reply actions
Rick Snider seems to think it's going to take 3 1st's
and a mid round pick to get RG3
The Redskins seem to have surrendered thoughts of moving up from sixth in the draft to get Griffin, who probably will go second to whomever St. Louis trades the pick. Dealing away three first-rounders to get Griffin seems like too much of a risk for a rookie passer. Washington has too many other needs
R.I.P JVP 1926-2012
i would guess from that he's under the belief that Cleveland will put both of their picks on the table
so for the Skins to out bid them they’d basically have to go for 3 first rounders.
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I see that also as if Miami misses on Manning they want to go all in
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no way
If we were trading from the 22nd spot, then I could see three 1sts…but STL is only moving back four spots.
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desperation is a powerful thing
The Chargers spent essentially 2 1sts and 2 2nds plus an additional player to move up one spot to grab Leaf.
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Out of Curiousity
Can you just go out and buy a pick? If so, would that money go against the cap?
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by Skins Fan '77 on Feb 9, 2012 1:09 PM EST up reply actions
If people try to sell a US senate seat, I'm sure there
are under the table ways of moving this deal along.
Cash Rules Everything..etc etc
In the old CBS yea... but multiple people are saying it may be permissable under the new CBA.
I still don’t believe it, but its not definitive. Pat Kirwan said to FO personnel members said you could now under the new CBA (this was yesterday), but he also said he would like to confirm with a GM for today’s show.
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I don't see how that can be true
It would destroy the parity in the league… teams with the most money get to do whatever it takes… why would a salary cap be necessary? Or for that matter, revenue sharing?
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by Skins Fan '77 on Feb 9, 2012 1:18 PM EST up reply actions
To play 2B for the Nats?
@Callahan_9 on the twitter machine.
by Diesel44 on Feb 9, 2012 1:18 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
+1
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I was talking about him replacing whoever starts at AA Hagerstown.
@Callahan_9 on the twitter machine.
Hagerstown is single-A
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Yeah sorry, I'm an O's fan and they use to be the O's AA affiliate.
@Callahan_9 on the twitter machine.
Would you guys rather have RG3 or J.Blackmon
I think either or would be good with sucha deep draft
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WR's
I was under the impression that someone had to actually, ya know get them the ball.
I'm worried about the beer supply. After this case, and the other case, there's only one case left- Barney Gumble
by CptChaosSidekick on Feb 9, 2012 1:41 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 2 recs
bitter much?
just a fuckin question, rex is serviceable, you guys did sweep the super bowl champs and all…
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Griffin III
I would strongly consider trading the pick if Blackmon fell to #6. could get another 2nd rd pick and 2013 1st.
by Highspeed30 on Feb 9, 2012 2:06 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
If they both fell to us, RGIII obviously. If only Blackmon fell, rather trade back or take Reiff.
by 2up2down on Feb 9, 2012 4:15 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Blackmon idea is dumb
Megatron is awesome right? Well notice how they didn’t start actually wining games until they got a franchise QB to get him the ball?!
I'm worried about the beer supply. After this case, and the other case, there's only one case left- Barney Gumble
by CptChaosSidekick on Feb 9, 2012 2:29 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
In Shanny I trust....
For now
Where do they teach you to talk like this? In some Panama City "Sailor wanna hump-hump" bar, or is it getaway day and your last shot at his whiskey? Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.
Really Washington?!
Damn you people are stupid, trade away everything for one guy? Haven’t we made that mistake already once? Next thing there will be a pole saying that you will trade away a two 2nd rounds for Peyton Manning.
Go eat a penis.
I see it as more cushion for the pushin'
by iH8dallas on Feb 9, 2012 2:41 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Since when is
Swapping 1st round picks and giving up 2 picks…over 2 years giving up everything?
Who’s to say that we don’t have players that we can trade later to get picks back?
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this being...
The likely proposed bounty for Griffin at this point is a 2012 first and second round pick, plus a first rounder in 2013.
I wonder if the Giants regret trading for what's his name?
2-1sts, a 3rd and a 5th for just ONE GUY?! I wonder whatever happened to that kid.
by 44ever on Feb 9, 2012 2:46 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
That bastard
"The trouble with quotes on the internet is that it’s difficult to discern whether or not they are genuine."
-Abraham Lincoln
They
also have;
2 legit TEs
3 legit WRs
1 legit QB
3 legit pass rushers
2 legit rbs
"The trouble with quotes on the internet is that it’s difficult to discern whether or not they are genuine."
-Abraham Lincoln
I'd take Jake or Bear
also
would take Ahmad
"The trouble with quotes on the internet is that it’s difficult to discern whether or not they are genuine."
-Abraham Lincoln
Uh no
your definition of legit is off
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Got bad knees and a high motor? Well cmon on over to PHILLY, we'll do our best to put you in the right position and do a better job!
this is the internet
I’m using the internet term of legit
just like i’m using internet lingo
GTFO
"The trouble with quotes on the internet is that it’s difficult to discern whether or not they are genuine."
-Abraham Lincoln
Ok
"Some people think football is a matter of life and death. I assure you, it's much more serious than that."-Bill Shankly
Got bad knees and a high motor? Well cmon on over to PHILLY, we'll do our best to put you in the right position and do a better job!
Hey Philly fan.
In your opinion, what is Washington’s biggest need?
I see it as more cushion for the pushin'
A offense in general, no offense
No one on that O scares me. The obvious move is RG3, but who knows what will happpen come draft day. I dont think Blackmon would be a disappointment either tho. I think if WAS is smart this draft with weapons the NFC East is gonna be a ruggard SOB to play in/ against.
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TEs= 6th round pick (by 9ers) and undrafted FA signed.
Bradshaw is a 7th rounder, Jacobs a 4th rounder. Justin Tuck is a 3rd rounder….of course they do have some higher picks sprinkled in there, but obviously they win nothing without Eli and it took “mortgaging their future” to get him
by DCrez on Feb 9, 2012 3:02 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
So your saying the key is
to draft good? and have a good qb?
"The trouble with quotes on the internet is that it’s difficult to discern whether or not they are genuine."
-Abraham Lincoln
I'm saying no need to go into hysterics over notion of giving up a 1st and 2nd to get RG3
obviously championship level starters are available well into the later rounds and through FA
well it hasn't been updated yet to the new realities of the draft so I would say its very outdated
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If we don't draft RG3
we’re going to have to draft a franchise qb at some point. Sure, we could draft a qb in another draft, but a qb with as much elite potential is always going to go in the top 5, maybe 3, especially with the greater emphasis the qb is getting nowadays. Might as well shoot now while we’re sitting at 6. If we put all the other pieces in place without the qb the price will just continue to go up for us to move into the top 5. This is a great chance for us, and hopefully the last one for a long time.
by orakpophobia on Feb 9, 2012 2:57 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
This RG3 talk is a headache of a debate but the answer is clear and obvious.
With this franchise and the history I can see why people would be be skeptical on trading up. But this QB needs to be resolved NOW. If our staff and scouts (fans included) think Griffin is the answer for the position then we need to do what is necessary to make a deal with STL to get him. Thats just how it needs to be and people who don’t want to advocate doing whatever it takes to get our QB need to get real and be honest with themselves. This is becoming ridiculous. Some of you guys are so far in the forest you can’t see through the damn trees!
by xocnodnarb on Feb 9, 2012 3:00 PM EST reply actions 6 recs
So are the fan posts now buried so deep on the site that no one will ever find them?
Damn that Haslett story!!
That has absolutely nothing to do with Rodskins
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I say do it.
Honestly, nothing else has worked. We haven’t had a good QB for a long stretch since… Damn. Theismann. If it works, great, we all win. If it doesn’t, well it will be status quo.
Jc was picked at 26
He was not an elite talent coming out. To compare trading RG3 to JA is absurd.
so....we should hope to land an all-NFL qb late in the 1st round because it's happened before?
not much of a plan
Ensuring you have a full slate of draft picks for multiple seasons in a row isn't much of a plan?
Wow, I really am taking crazy pills…
I really think that everything will click once we have a great QB.
Not much of a limb, I know. And RG3 could be Ryan Lead Jr. But This is a QB driven league and that is why the only time we were decent in 20 years is when we had one. Brad Johnson.
10-6? that is fantastic!
Around here? And I don’t know it you missed our loss, but it was a botched field foal snap as time expired for the win. In the second round.
Was that the only time Maryland has seen a home Redskins playoff game. Yes.
Stop playing Dumb
everybody know that Rodgers had a free fall cause he very well could have been the #1 overall pick he was the 2nd QB off the board nobody thought that Jason could have been the #1 overall pick that year
Oh, I get it
Aaron Rodgers should be used as an example of a way to prove that late first round draft picks work, because he is just so good. It is obvious to everyone that he isn’t good simply because he was allowed to sit for 3 years behind a guy that had been there for 15, and was given the reigns after said team was a field goal away from a SB appearance.
by itsstevenweinstein on Feb 9, 2012 5:48 PM EST up reply actions
NEWS FLASH
This just in…
We have a new regime in DC…Vinny Cerrato is no longer making player decisions in the draft.
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which means we should stop overvaluing players and positions
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Another post that demonstrates the Berlin Wall of some sort...
we can all fight for our ideals, but the only question that needs answering is -
What is Shanny/Allen going to do? Do we really believe they are interested in Manning? Flynn?
Or are they positioning themselves to trade up?
Aside from what we think we would do, what do we think THEY will do?
my thoughts are...
Shanny is desperate, given 2 losing years (needs to show the owner something, wins or progress towards that), He is GOOD friends with Fisher, and RG3 fits the type of QB he likes (mobile, strong arm)…
But...
The one thing we have agreed on in HH is that we are making progress as a team…so he has already shown that to Dan…the team is moving in the right direction and everyone around the league has noted that…but what will it take to turn the corner?
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agreed...
he gutted the team, started over. Not easy to do. And remember, this FO/coaching staff have repeatedly talked about last year’s emphasis on defense and this years emphasis on offense…
But Dan might look at it as going from 6-10 to 5-11, that's a step backwards.
I see it as more cushion for the pushin'
True...
But he needs to sign the checks and let those in the know…continue to build this foundation for success that will last for years. It has to start somewhere, as we have tried and found out that it doesn’t fall out of the sky!
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RG3 fits Shanahan type of QB like a glove
in fact both RG3 and Andrew Luck fit what Shanahan like to have in a QB, so i think that they will trade up to get Griffin III cause Luck is off Limits. He wanted to trade up for Bradford but he was off limits, but RG3 is in play so he will pull the trigger and get his Quaterback of the future
Hmmm... So many analysts were saying Barkley was was just shy of being on par with Luck
Then again, people were saying that about Clausen in relation to Bradford…
Barkley has a higher ceiling and is a smarter player.
He is a good prospect, but I don’t agree with people saying he is on Griffin’s or Luck’s level.
Skins rule
i actually got off work
thats why i stopped posting
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Enjoy!!
HH…been a great day! Even when we don’t agree this is still the best fanbase EVER!!!
Wouldn’t jump ship for anything!
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Ok, simple question for the "don't trade up" crowd
Who do you want to be our starting QB next season?
Well I'm not saying I'm in the trade-up crowd
If that’s what Shanny decides to do, then me must see something in RG3 (in my world, there isn’t a snowball’s chance in hell that Luck doesn’t go #1). If fine with staying at #6, and I’m fine if we trade back, providing they have a plan. John Beck obviously shouldn’t be our starter, and I don’t think we can survive another season of Rex. So who should it be?
*I'm* fine staying at #6
Damn, I really shouldn’t post after I’ve started drinking.
It's time to quit being pussies and just get our man.
No difference in between building this year and next. Next year might be more expensive to pick up a top QB. I dont want to see another old washed up veteran on our team.
F/A will tip Shanny’s hand . If we can get a guard a rec and some secondary help RG3 is very doable. Might even be able to trade down a couple of pics on day 3 to get more depth.
by future is now on Feb 9, 2012 6:49 PM EST up reply actions
Just saying draft day won’t be a surprise. He’s not that stupid not to address some of this teams major needs through F/A . hey but we got RG3 who needs a R/T, G, REC. SS, FS, CB, 2CB if you do whats right and cut D.Hall and an inside backer to replace our QB on defense if one player {a rookie at that} can cover all that up he shits gold bricks through a square ass.
by future is now on Feb 10, 2012 12:50 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
so you mean the redskins need to nail this draft?
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by Howard11 on Feb 10, 2012 12:58 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
I hope that we continue to build through the draft. As much as we need that franchise QB I can’t see where we’re in any position to give up one potential starter much less 3. since there could be a potential 6 QB’s in next years draft that are better than all but two in this years. I also keep reading how we don’t want a QB that has been with another team ’’we need to grow our own so he can be just a Redskin." That should be the policy across the board. Use F/A as little as possible not to fill the roster . I thought learned that in Vinnieball 101 .
isn't your I.D.....
“Future is Now”?
This doesn’t compute -
a potential 6 QB’s in next years draft
Just saying…
Depends on your view of the future.
Is one player the future of the team, now? Or is the future a better team in general, while waiting for the capstone?
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The ID comes from the teams of the early70’s being some of my fondest childhood memories. The team was filled with childhood heros. 43,80,42,9,17,55,37,27,72
by future is now on Feb 10, 2012 6:08 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
that is a little before my time...
the beloved George Allen era. There was a guy who believed in trades.
Not with rookies though. Allen brought in a lot of guys he knew and had coached before. That wasn’t that risky but, it was expensive. Ask Jack the Pardee was over before it had begun .
by future is now on Feb 10, 2012 11:56 PM EST up reply actions
Whatever it Takes!!!
There is no debate… whatever it takes!!
I look at it this way… I think RG3 will be the most electric player in the NFL, regardless!! Most likely, he will right the ship and get the Redskins back where they should be, but in that off chance he can’t, the Redskins may still lose, but he’ll be fun to watch!!
Right now… they suck and they aren’t fun to watch…
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