Ten Yard Fight: Jim Haslett Denies Fan's Account of Conversation
by Ken Meringolo on Feb 8, 2012 8:30 AM EST
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Print1. "Boy, that escalated quickly...I mean, that really got out of hand fast."
2.If you're just tuning in, there was a FanPost yesterday on Hogs Haven posted by a fan who had experienced a chance run-in with Redskins defensive coordinator Jim Haslett. What followed was a spirited retelling of Jim Haslett apparently laying out the Redskins' offseason plans.
3. In the process of the story blowing up around here, it became unclear to many that this was not a story that was written by any of our writers. It circulated around the internet and the local media with the Hogs Haven handle and caused some rather...unpleasant reactions.
4. "Look, I'm not a cop. I'm no hero." We think extremely highly of the beat guys--guys like John Keim, Rich Campbell, Grant Paulsen, Mike Jones, etc. We hold them in the highest esteem. We don't do what they do. You don't have to be a professional member of the media though to know the difference between going up to a guy and saying, "My name is Ken Meringolo and I write for Hogs Haven...can I ask you a few questions?" and approaching someone as a fan and having a fun conversation. I can write about one and not the other. The same standard does not apply in our FanPost section, and it is probably wise to see about making it so that those posts are more clearly marked.
5. Not too long ago, this story would have been told by the water cooler at work or over a beer at the bar. There would have been a "Wow!" or two and that would have been mostly it. Now, that story is told via FanPost on a site like Hogs Haven--again, to share with buddies--and it blows up into something people at Redskins Park can't be happy about.
6. We continue to encourage you to share your stories. While there is always the potential for unintended consequences, the FanPost section here is our water cooler. The truth is that we have seen things in our FanPost section far nuttier and significantly more ridiculous than what we read yesterday. This one clearly had a lot of legs and part of that is due to Hogs Haven being looked upon rather favorably by a lot of the folks we mentioned above. So when a person clicks on a link taking him or her to a story on Hogs Haven, it is hard for them to discern between what is a FanPost and what is something one of the staff writers puts out there.
7. While regrettable, this whole incident underlines just how crazy we are when it comes to the Redskins, and especially at this time of year. By tomorrow, there will be yet another wild rumor about this team that will capture our attention.
8. One thing we have done here is try and move away from the practice of using nicknames or handles on our staff. We're happy to stand by our names when it comes to the things we write.
9. Some of the best ideas and opinions are expressed in our FanPost section. One day of madness shouldn't detract from what has become a source of great content for us. As I said above, it is likely worth the effort to do more to distinguish FanPosts from stories created by our writers (aside from the byline.)
10. If we aren't happy with any of the rookie quarterbacks after Luck and Griffin, it would make sense we would be strongly considering the free agent route. If that is true, and Manning's arm is spaghetti, it sounds like Kyle Orton is a real possibility, eh?
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I don't understand why this is a big deal
I love Hogs haven, it’s where I go for Redskins info & shenanigans. That being said if Im at Redskins park & I hear that a website is saying “X” & I verify w/ the coach that it isn’t legit then who cares?
I'm worried about the beer supply. After this case, and the other case, there's only one case left- Barney Gumble
by CptChaosSidekick on Feb 8, 2012 7:07 AM EST via mobile reply actions
I agree. But I think the issue is front paging the post.
From a journalistic standpoint, I think the issue is that the story is single sourced without a way to corroborate. Thus, there is editorial judgement at play, and this is what is portrayed here.
BUT – I would also mention, I think the flight to Denver was single sourced, and that turned out to be true.
A bit different, but not able to confirm the sourcijng is different from not being true.
One other thing, I believe there was a report of redskin employee at a dinner saying “we have our guy” and you will know in April.
That was also denied. But there is a picture developing, and it is consistent with what I have said all along. The Shanahans know they are boxed in, and they know they basically are forced to get their franchise QB this year. It just seems some are unwilling to accept that reality.
This was hilarious....
I was introduced to 2007 last night when I finally signed up for Twitter. I started going through and following the McShay’s and Kiem’s of the football world when the denial tweet popped up.
P.S. I ran into Danny Smith last night at the Cracker Barrell, and he said that the Redskins were enamored with bringing Brady Quinn to the Skins. He also said had Landry Jones come out this year, he would have been their selection at #6. We then toasted to the 2013 season with our gravy soaked biscuits and he continued to go to the country store and buy lots of useless crap.
"Honey Badger Don't Care"
What color was his Prius?
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I didn't get a chance to see his car...
on the way out of the door, I bumped into Raheem Morris and he discussed in detail how we plan on trading our entire draft this year to acquire Luck. It was kind of surprising…I said “hey”, and he said “have ya heard what we’re doing in free agency and the draft?” and continued on with the Redskins secret plan
"Honey Badger Don't Care"
I take it thats why it got un-frontpaged. So it didn't look like it was actually coming from the staff.
I had a feeling things were going to get a little crazy. I still think its awesome though. I have to read through those comments. Last time I was on that fanpost it only had 50 comments.
You have to admit this is pretty awsome:
due to Hogs Haven being looked upon rather favorably by a lot of the folks we mentioned above.
ptowny
I am still stuck in 2007 apparently.
dont get one its the devil....
seriously though don’t. 1 week its a friendly social network the next your stalking your ex girlfriend and going through all 3425 of her pictures only to realize you have no life. Then you get depressed don’t want to see the light of day, grow a beard shave it off, dont take a bath. Look at all your other friends and think why can’t I have friends? Become more depressed gain 40lbs then realize facebook is bad for you but you can’t stop checking people’s stati. Then you realize you’ve got to delete your facebook, so you delete…however you ever try to log back in, it lets you right in, like giving a needle to a junkie for free, no questions asked….your hooked again. Then you try to permanently delete it your done with facebook forever, so you search it and it tells you how, but when you try it gives you an error. Then you have to contact a facebook staff member who deletes it for you. However if you log back on within 15 days the process will be stopped and you’ll be a junkie again…..not that i know this from experience.
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by jbh1190 on Feb 8, 2012 9:38 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
NO KYLE ORTON
I’m tired of QBs with low ceilings.
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That's exactly what he would be
He isn’t going to ask a lot of money, and can guarantee an upgrade from Rex (while we coach our young Franchise-guy up). I think Orton is one of the more sensible routes to take
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by Ronnie Adkins on Feb 8, 2012 8:41 AM EST up reply actions
What did you see from Orton that makes him an upgrade?? Last year he was abysmal. I would argue he’s a downgrade from Rex. He’s certainly not a mentor type QB.
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by Kevin Ewoldt on Feb 8, 2012 10:03 AM EST up reply actions
well
he and andrew luck do sport the same cheezy half grown chin strap beard- so maybe that’s a sign
When I was a kid, my father told me, "Never hit anyone in anger, unless you're absolutely sure you can get away with it." -Russell Ziskey
Orton is a statue as well…I guess the argument is mute. Despite who’s the better QB than the two, I can’t see Shanahan going into year 3 of this with another poopy new QB unless its a PM type.
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by Kevin Ewoldt on Feb 8, 2012 10:07 AM EST up reply actions
and there's a reason that Rex and Kyle vied for the job for a couple years in Chicago
because they’re about the same quality.
Denver did nothing to help Orton.
Remember, the same guy threw for over 4000 yards not long before. Had they brought in pieces and tweaked their offense for Orton the way that did for Teblow, he would have been fine.
by tuckwell on Feb 8, 2012 12:41 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Wow you vastly overrate Rex… vastly. I don’t want Orton at all but even I couldn’t argue he is a clear upgrade to Rex. Orton has the potential to provide average QB play over a season while Rex is clearly capped at a 70ish QB rating.
and Orton is capped around 85ish rating
it’s really not much of an upgrade. Orton is less fumble and interception prone but that’s about it.
I was on the Kansas City page earlier...
because they had a post that caught my eye about trading up for RG3. It seemed the debate was between Orton and Griffin…Cassell apparently is not in good graces with their fan base
"Honey Badger Don't Care"
yeah a lot of them want an upgrade
they and the Jets are why I think that we could see some surprise teams get in the RGIII bidding.
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there's no way i want to get in a trade battle
with a team picking in the teens. They’re gonna have to give up a whole lot to move up that high
"Honey Badger Don't Care"
I can imagine that the post was embarrassing regardless of the truthfulness of it
Personally I subscribe the the camp that doubs an experienced NFL coach blabbed about the teams off season plans to a complete stranger.
agreed
I don’t think a coach would talk like that to his best friend, because if even a fraction of that got out it would cause a shit storm.
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I have
No doubt that it happened, and no reason to call the guy a liar. I’ve seen him post on here before, and he never struck me as some sort of spinster.
Sure, as a whole it may sound a little implausible, especially given Shanny’s tight lipped approach. But I just feel like Haslett figured he was a little bit away from the DC metro region, was at a teenage girl volleyball event and, frankly, was simply shooting the sh!t with some random Joe who had no realistic avenue to get this story out there.
Plus, it’s not like he said anything out of the ordinary. Every point he made has been brought up around here at one time or another.
Where do they teach you to talk like this? In some Panama City "Sailor wanna hump-hump" bar, or is it getaway day and your last shot at his whiskey? Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.
the fact that the details are what you typically see on blogs and postings make me think that its not true
if there was some great coaching insight, but he said things that are generalities, that also don’t necessarily seem to be based in fact.
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no doubts? At all? None? You might want to reconsider that
You’ve always struck me as the sensible type so I find it hard to believe you have that much faith in someone you barely know.
Is it possible that it happened? Sure, I’ll give you that but I have plenty of doubts on both sides of this coin.
Or maybe there are even more than 2 sides to this, maybe Haslett was tired of being pestered so he created some misdirection on his own…or maybe the entire coaching staff has been directed by Shanahan to create as many different rumors as they can so nobody has a clue to what the team is really going to do. I like that last possibility!
*The Redskins are also seriously looking at acquiring Peyton Manning. According to Haslett, Allen has some connections with some people in Indianapolis and mentioned discussions surrounding Peyton in a Redskins uniform have already begun behind the scenes.
*Rex Grossman might remain as backup. Although Haslett did not commit to this, he did say they liked Rex’s knowledge of the offense and his ability to move the ball. Unfortunately, he acknowledged these abilities come with an average of 3-4 costly turnovers per game.
This makes no sense. If you’re going to bring in Manning then you’re going to run Manning’s offense…not Kyle’s. Indy’s offense was developed over Peyton’s career to adapt to his skills and it has no resemblance to the WC offense run by the Skins.
I won’t say the poster didn’t run into Haslett in Va. Beach but this conversation never happened at this level of detail.
Not necessarily
Peyton isn’t great because of the system, the system is great because of Peyton.
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by Ronnie Adkins on Feb 8, 2012 8:43 AM EST up reply actions
agreed
but if you are signing Peyton, you should probably tailor your offense somewhat to him. It doesn’t need to be a complete overhaul, but you should be wanting to be in shotgun more and stuff like that.
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Of course
It would be just like Denver when they started playing Tebow. You ‘adjust’ to him, but don’t change the shceme to pull our signal-caller completely off of the center. (shotgun)
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by Ronnie Adkins on Feb 8, 2012 9:23 AM EST up reply actions
With many of the college QBs
running the spread, I wonder if adopting more shotgun formations is not a bad thing in any event
When I was a kid, my father told me, "Never hit anyone in anger, unless you're absolutely sure you can get away with it." -Russell Ziskey
can't argue with that
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for what it's worth
Shanny said something similar about tweaking systems for NFL teams due to the spread down at the Senior Bowl http://fanspeak.com/nfldraft/2012/01/28/notes-from-tuesdays-senior-bowl-press-conference/
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So, you're telling me
One thing we have done here is try and move away from the practice of using nicknames or handles on our staff.
EWOLDT is Kevin’s REAL name? Christ. I’m so sorry.
Where do they teach you to talk like this? In some Panama City "Sailor wanna hump-hump" bar, or is it getaway day and your last shot at his whiskey? Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.
I was thinking the same type of thing when I read that
Parks’ real first name is Parks? Not making fun, thats actually kind of cool….
Yeah, UK is really defined by his UKness
Changing to his real name will take so much moxie from our masthead…we’re international with that name—yes, he does live in England.
by Ken Meringolo on Feb 8, 2012 9:17 AM EST up reply actions
his parents have a British sense of humor...which is why none of us get the joke.
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It refers to both how and who Parks was begat.
“Parking” and “John Smith”.
At least that’s my story, and I’m sticking to it, because I ran into Jim Zorn at a local Kmart and he said that was the inside story of how Parks got his name.
And Kevin changed his name from Kevin Ewok to Kevin Ewoldt to make it less confusing and more German sounding.
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by BillWard on Feb 8, 2012 9:19 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Did I forget to mention that I am the lead drummer for Black Sabbath?
I’m just secretly using this to hide my true love for Rock and Roll and the Redskins.
Oh, and I want Danny boy to fund our next concert at FedEx.
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True story... I'm named after a gay artist in Richmond...
There is an artist here in town named Parks Duffy, my mom liked the name.
Lavar Arrington calls me “Mr. Two Last Names” if you prefer that
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Huh
I always figured, going off of your old moniker, that you were a frequent visitor of trailer (or RV) parks.
Where do they teach you to talk like this? In some Panama City "Sailor wanna hump-hump" bar, or is it getaway day and your last shot at his whiskey? Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.
don't know if you're kidding or not, but I thought the exact same
"And you can pass it to someone you never met, and let 'em get as high as you...you're eyes red as sh*t, mine too"
That was RVA parks as in Richmond, Va
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… I’m named after a gay artist in Richmond…
I don’t know if I could continue to love my mother for doing something like this to me.
I know right...an artist of all people?
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by Diesel44 on Feb 8, 2012 4:33 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
haha I like, its different.
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EWOLDT screams quality, German engineering.
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by Kevin Ewoldt on Feb 8, 2012 10:05 AM EST up reply actions
So in Germany I take it that it would be pronounced Evoldt
Did ya hear the new electric Volkswagen is being called the Evolt?
Not really.
I thought it was Ewok. guess I was wrong.
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by TerpsAllTheWay on Feb 8, 2012 11:59 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I can't say I'm too surpirsed
I found it very surprising a coach would reveal as much as he did to a fan, especially a guy who works for Shanny, who seems to be very secretive in how he runs the team. I have a feeling that there was a lot of "reading between the lines" from the poster.
When I was a kid, my father told me, "Never hit anyone in anger, unless you're absolutely sure you can get away with it." -Russell Ziskey
It was a lot of reading between the lines
He said that is what “HE” gathered, the guy did not have a pen and pad to take down quotes or a voice recorder interviewing him. He had a conversation with him and from the conversation he gave a summary of what Coach Haslett told him, it is not like he told Rod anything that was not already known, or he gave the trade package that they was going to look to trade with the rams and i am sure Rod would not ask what they looking to give up
Ken
May ask if the Redskins PR reached out to you, or have they published something? or is that something you can’t go into?
When I was a kid, my father told me, "Never hit anyone in anger, unless you're absolutely sure you can get away with it." -Russell Ziskey
I have not heard from Tony Wyllie and I am not sure I will...hahaha
It looks like they were managing things through Haslett—he set up a Twitter last night to go into deny mode. I am sure Wyllie is unhappy, but he would be VERY unwise to lash out at fans, which is what we are.
by Ken Meringolo on Feb 8, 2012 9:34 AM EST up reply actions
I'm pretty sure they have some nude photos of Ken that they plan to use as blackmail
had he not posted this.
since when has Ken tried to keep nude photos of himself off the internet?
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One other thing...I think it is also worth considering
Rodskin basically ate crow with that post. I think that add a bit of credibility to it. Adding in the fact that all of background details checked out, that was a pretty intricate set up to get himself attention on this blog…
There is a point where Occam’s Razor comes into play….
+1
I honestly don’t understand what rodskins would gain from making up that post. He had adamantly promoted Flynn, and was anti-RGIII. If he had to make up a story, why would it be one where he essentially ate crow and admitted that the things that he has been saying for the past month have been wrong?
by itsstevenweinstein on Feb 8, 2012 3:29 PM EST up reply actions
It looks like I need a new handle
My name has been besmirched.
Any ideas ?
The Rod has spoken
by Rodskin on Feb 8, 2012 12:35 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Are you admitting you had a go at us?
Or do you just want back out of the suddenly too bright spotlight? :-)
by tuckwell on Feb 8, 2012 12:44 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
that is a completely different poster
‘Rodskins’ was the one who posted the Haslett piece
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well that doesn't make things confusing
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Y
It’s not me someone has a handle similar to mine he is “Rodskins”. Don’t want people to think it was me (like you just did).
The Rod has spoken
by Rodskin on Feb 8, 2012 12:56 PM EST via mobile reply actions
hahahaha....obviously I knew it wasn't you, but I found it hilarious that everyone else thought it was
Can I still get into your bar?
by Ken Meringolo on Feb 8, 2012 1:28 PM EST up reply actions
More than welcome my friend !
But. The imposter, that’s a different story !
The Rod has spoken
by Rodskin on Feb 8, 2012 1:42 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
LOL sorry friend
At work, didn’t notice the difference :(
by tuckwell on Feb 8, 2012 2:54 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
To be honest
I really don’t understand why Rodskins posted all that info in the first place. I mean he got pretty detailed and if Haslett really told him all of that, I just think you keep most of it to yourself, or if you have to tell someone, tell your boys. Don’t come on here and spout it all out when you know this site does get good pub on the radio and other media outlets. It’s bound to get out there. I mean I was just hanging out with one of the coaches a couple weeks ago, and we talked about a couple things, but no way would I come on here and write a post about it. Just my 2 cents…
Well now you pretty much have to!
by tuckwell on Feb 8, 2012 4:38 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Maybe if I wasn't going to see him again it would be different
But that might not be the case, so I can’t say who. I will say this, we talked about the quarterback position, and this was right before the senior bowl, and they apparently aren’t real impressed with any of the others after the top two. I know, shocker! So the fact Rodskins says that Haslett said pretty much the same thing, tells me that at least that part is true. We talked about some other things, but nothing really about the future.
I was kidding really
I’d never encourage anyone to betray confidences.
by tuckwell on Feb 8, 2012 5:23 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Didn't anyone hear the radio interview on 106.7 with Rodskins?
I was getting ready to go into an appt so I missed it, but they said he was getting ready to come on around noon.
the world has too much time on its hand...
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Wow. It looks like I missed a lot.
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