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I will be so pissed if the game is on NFLN.
We can’t even GET that down here without DirectTV….
And I don’t DirectTV.
No Danny, Nooooooo - Tom Landry, 1982., and Washington Redskins fans, 1999-
That sucks in Richmond NFLN is an over abundant resource.
Verizon, Comcast, everyone watches NFL Network, its like a Utopia
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no it def. doesn't if it is a Manning and you get him at 50 cents on the dollar
In 20 years when Eli’s son comes out we should def. trade up for him.
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by Steve Shoup on Feb 6, 2012 8:24 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
They gave up draft picks for him and have 2 Superbowls to show fot it.
I see it as more cushion for the pushin'
So how does two draft picks translate to today's cost?
The Giants got Eli for cheap b/c he was bitching about San Diego and wasn’t going to sign there. Its a completely different situation.
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We can guess, but nobody knows.
But can you put a price on QB stability for a decade?
I see it as more cushion for the pushin'
If nobody cares then why bring it up as an argument to trade up? Clearly you cared 45 minutes ago.
Can you guarantee me QB stability for a decade with Robert Griffin III? Absolutely not.
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Great discussion, once again...
I guess trading up for a QB doesn’t ruin a franchise.
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You said "if nobody knows", yet another conversation where you completely blow it off once reality is brought up
hence acting like you don’t care
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You're right. I don't care how much it will cost.
I want a QB that bad, and not some 30+ year old former Probowler or some other team’s leftovers.
It’ll probably be this year’s second, next year’s first and one or two mid-level picks.
Fine by me.
I see it as more cushion for the pushin'
It's not an either or situation.
It’s trading 4 or 5 draft picks for RG3 vs. every other option out there.
If this team decides to trade up, I’d much rather just go all in and go for Luck instead.
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Yes I know, it's the RG3 vs. Every other option debate.
For two months we’ve been debating what to do about the QB.
Flynn, Orton, Manning, Tannehill, Foles, Rex, Weeden etc…
After looking at everything I still say RG3 in exchange for draft picks is the way to go.
people can point at Akili Smith, Harrington, Carr, Couch, Russell, Leaf and anybody else they want to, it won’t change my mind.
I see it as more cushion for the pushin'
That's fine, just don't point at Manning and say "hey guys it definitely works"
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he never said if definitely works
No one on this HH has ever said that it definitely works. He is pointing out that it can work and doesn’t “definitely ruin a franchise”, because in the case of the Giants it did not.
No one gaurenteed to them that Eli would pan out, but they thought that he would be good, they spent the draft picks, and it worked out.
Ihate is hoping that the same thing happens for Washington.
by RobtheRedskin on Feb 6, 2012 10:31 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
The risk wasn't as high for the Giants.
We’re talking about trading Rivers and another draft pick for Manning versus trading five to six draft picks for RG3.
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Don't you think the value of RG3's services will decline after free agency begins?
Or at least after Flynn and Manning land somewhere, especially if the DC, Miami or Cleveland take them? The team that takes Flynn, will probably be out…while the team that takes Manning will still have an option to wait another year, making the cost go down hopefully.
"Honey Badger Don't Care"
Either that or team's that "lost" in FA will be more desperate
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I'm not big on Griffin...
If we choose to trade up, I hope it’s for Luck.
I’m in the trade down group, hopefully Cincy or New England would like to donate their 2 first rounders to us
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there you go parks
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by jbh1190 on Feb 6, 2012 10:50 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
can you guarantee that someone other than a Manning will be worth that?
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It's the draft.....you can't guarantee anything.
EVERYTHING is based off of potential. Manning was not drafted because everyone knew he would win 2 Super Bowls for the Giants. He was drafted for potential and because his last name was Manning.
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But I don't think you can point at Manning and say trading up works.
That was a very unique situation. If Andrew Luck said he didn’t want to go to Indy and the Redskins could get the same deal then I’d be all for it. But the price is very different now.
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Leaf, Russell, Akili Smith = Head Cases (which a lot of people knew when they were drafted)
Those are not good examples of top 5 pick QB busts.
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People that wear Barney socks = headcase
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I wish people would stop pointing at those guys when Griffin is brought up.
The head on his shoulders is screwed in about as tight as you could possibly ask for.
He’s about as “red flag” free as possible.
I see it as more cushion for the pushin'
You can say the same thing about people who point at guys like Manning for the other end of the discussion
Why can you assume something, but people opposed to trading up aren’t afforded the same opportunity to assume?
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But how would pointing at Manning be the other end of the discussion?
Isn’t he the case study in the “Trading Up Is Awesome” textbook?
I see it as more cushion for the pushin'
Once again he was obtained at an extremely reduced rate and it was a very specific situation
If Luck or RG3 would being offered at the same price as Eli was then its a no brainer, but they aren’t.
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no because Mannings should be in a different category all together
Everyone says you need a franchise QB to win a SB, and you get said Franchise QB in the top 10 picks. Yet since the 1999 SB (John Elway’s last SB), only 4 Lombardi trophies have been hoisted by top 10 QB’s, 1 by Dilfer, and 3 by Manning’s.
So in a time period where 17 QB fit that top 10 bill (not including this year’s 3, or top 10 QB’s who played during this time but were drafted earlier, Bledsoe, McNair etc.) only the two Manning’s have ever led their team to the promise land.
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Great to see you so open-minded as always H8
It’s unreal that you can look at this:
So in a time period where 17 QB fit that top 10 bill (not including this year’s 3, or top 10 QB’s who played during this time but were drafted earlier, Bledsoe, McNair etc.) only the two Manning’s have ever led their team to the promise land.
And still say you’re completely convinced that trading up and risking a bunch of draft picks is the way to go
by StephanHart on Feb 6, 2012 10:08 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
In every draft there are on average mybe one or two QBs that turn out to be good.
Some years there are three, some years zero, but I’d say about two every year.
I think Robert Griffin will be that second guy along with Luck.
I see it as more cushion for the pushin'
maybe he will, but that doesn't equate to SB success
Carson Palmer was good, so was McNabb, they never hoisted a SB trophy.
Yes you need a QB, but great teams are what win championships, that is why they can find their QB’s anywhere. Because they know how to scout, they know how to build a system around a guy, and put the pieces in place for him to be successful.
My problem isn’t that i don’t believe that Griffin can be good or great, it is that trading away other valuable picks, lessens his chance of succeeding on an individual level, not to mention makes it harder to succeed on a team level.
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by Steve Shoup on Feb 6, 2012 10:18 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
even if you take those 3 out of the equation
Couch, Carr, Harrington, Alex Smith (yes the first 6 years def. make him a bust), Vince Young, Mark Sanchez and that is just in the last 12 years
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my point is you are taking one scenario and assuming that it would happen just the same for us
What about Ryan Leaf or Mark Sanchez?
And using a Manning to prove taking a QB 1st overall is effective is like using Brady to say drafting a QB in the 6th round is the way to go.
Finally, Eli was so cheap because the Chargers lacked leverage. They were also only going to trade him to a team that could send them Rivers back as part of the package. We had the 5th pick that year, but had no shot at Manning for that reason.
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by Steve Shoup on Feb 6, 2012 9:27 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Hard to believe that the Chargers have basically shipped away Vick, Manning, and Brees
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yeah esp. since it's all been in the time since making the trade up for Leaf
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If the rumors about Peyton not asking for any guarenteed money are true....
I’m in.
I’d love to see him play for us, even if we are renting him for three or four years at most.
We’d give up nothing, and we would be instant contenders for the NFCE again (we weren’t that close last year, but we weren’t that far, either).
No Danny, Nooooooo - Tom Landry, 1982., and Washington Redskins fans, 1999-
Yeah but can one division hold both Mannings?
I’m pretty sure that defies a law of physics.
ONLY if he's not asking for guarenteed money.
There is NO downside to that….
He either wins for us, or we don’t lose anything, even money.
No Danny, Nooooooo - Tom Landry, 1982., and Washington Redskins fans, 1999-
If there is NO guarunteed money...
We could sign Peyton just as a smoke screen so other teams won’t think we’re trading up….trade up, grab Luck or Griffin, then cut Peyton
"Honey Badger Don't Care"
yeah i don't think it would work like that
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The problem is
If we get Peyton then we will not have enough time to get anyone good around him before he retires and we are back in the same position we are in now. The redskins have always gotten other peoples retread QB’s we need to nut up and trade up and draft a guy that can be our Drew Brees/Aaron Rodgers for the next 10-15 years.
And the team built in those three years will be chicken shit?
That’s DUMB.
It means we leverage the next three years building that team around him… and then get the QB to run it once Peyton retires.
We wouldn’t have given up picks (at worse, we would have traded more wins for higher picks during that time). Isn’t the point of playing to be, you know, WINNING? And if we don’t win, we’re still building the team the QB will take over a year or two, or three, later.
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He plays for the bucs now unless he got moved again
by skins92 on Feb 6, 2012 8:44 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
I thought he would get one since he was on the pats active roster?
I know it works that way in the MLB is the NFL different?
I have no idea then
I thought it was if you were on the roster at the super bowl but Idk
by skins92 on Feb 6, 2012 8:55 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
If fat Alert was on the active roster for 8 games he gets sb check and or ring. 88thou winners check 44 losers
by future is now on Feb 6, 2012 7:38 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
I can't say it wouldn't be neat to see Peyton in Burgundy and Gold....
HOWEVER. This is DC. So chances are greater that he injures himself again and we have to start early-mid season with his understudy and back ups. We suffer another season of mediocre play and a losing record.
My point being is that I would like to see the young core of this team take over the aging NFL pro-bowlers who have won super bowls and championships with other teams, but have come to DC to collect one last paycheck and retire. IMO.
One aspect of Peyton's future that is not getting a lot of talk is the fact, at least I think, that he prefers to play in a controlled environment
Especially at this juncture in his career.
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Exactly, and if not that....Miami and Arizona sound like nice year round environment.
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Controlled as in, he makes the calls right?
I wouldn’t be surprised that there would be a lot of friction over control of the offense. I can totally agree Parks.
Folks may disagree...
But I think the Giants winning the Super Bowl is a huge confidence builder for the team and a major rallying cry for the coaching staff. They beat the Giants twice and played toe to toe with the Patriots. That’s a healthy does of “I Think I Can.” If you ask me.
Redskins @RGIII - 2012
Its more of a rallying cry for the nutjob optismists
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I think it can be a confidence booster for the coaches
but it should have little meaning for the fans. Despite us beating the Giants twice and both times pretty handily, we aren’t close to being as good of a team as NY.
For the coaches though we can say that we know how to exploit some weaknesses, and if we can improve our talent level maybe that winning streak can continue. Now our coaches just need to find the weaknesses on the other 30 NFL teams.
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Which is why I said coaches and players and not fans.
But I was at a NY Super Bowl party with my Redskins shirt on and no one could say a thing to me because “my team beat their team twice this season, I can wear my shirt their a NY party because they didn’t beat us this year.”
Redskins @RGIII - 2012
How 'bout the NFC Beast... 12 Superbowl wins... toughest Division in the NFL!
I’ll take a 9-7 NFC East team… over any 15-1 AFC team… any day!
p.s. Except for the Iggles… those bums don’t even have one! Bringing our Division down!
I think last night's game also showed that Brady can't do it alone.
Wouldn’t be surprised if the Patriots actually trade up (I know the odds of it happening) for a franchise WR!
Could they be in play for Blackmon?
They can still get a solid WR at 27 or 31.
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i don't know they need TE help and but Davis isn't really a fit
while they like throwing to their TE’s, they like their TE’s to be able to block even better
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I think it is more likely they trade up on the defensive side of the ball
Wilfork and Carter were their only consistent producers all year, and Carter is an FA coming off an injury.
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Parker might want too much money... but... its not a DT-strong draft class.
As for Wilfork… I think he was OK… but… the Patriots need a young NT… bad!
oh they def. need to get younger their as well
DE, DT, S, CB are their biggest needs unless Welker leaves. Those TE’s mitigate their lack of receivers (not that they won’t address it).
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Remember they have Ras-I Dowling, a lot of people forget
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I seriously think they're going to go after Minnefield from UVA...
have the Wahoo Corners playing together…they’d be set at CB for the next 6-10 years
"Honey Badger Don't Care"
Did you know Charlottesville is only 5 minutes from Richmond?
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With the proper hip motion...
my helicopter can get there less than 5 minutes….just ask my wife
"Honey Badger Don't Care"
haha
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At 400 miles per hour?
I do that drive regularly (I’ll do it twice this weekend, in fact) since my MIL lives in Waynesboro… and it’s more like 40 minutes or more, easy, from the outer Richmond area.
No Danny, Nooooooo - Tom Landry, 1982., and Washington Redskins fans, 1999-
Its a joke from last week.
Ptowny thinks someone can drive from Richmond to Suffolk in 45 minutes and from Williamsburg to Richmond in 15 minutes.
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CB might not be their top priority
but it def. has to be on their short list. I really could see them moving up to the middle of the round for Barron, b/c that SS position is a huge need.
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They have 2 first rounders....
they can vastly improve that defense if those picks are used right
"Honey Badger Don't Care"
they have two 2nd's as well
that is why i could see them using one of the 1sts and 2nds to move to the middle of the first (late teens) to land Barron. Then they still have another first and 2nd.
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It must be nice to have those kind of options...
they’re in the Super Bowl, and still have the opportunity to draft 4 players in the first two rounds to continue with nice, young talent, or they can trade and get a mid first rounder and not really lose much since they still have a second
"Honey Badger Don't Care"
yeah maybe one day...
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Poe falls right in the range of the Patriots first round pick...
he would be a very nice addition to that line
"Honey Badger Don't Care"
The Junkies interviewed Too Tall Jones last week and he said the NFL must get Cowboys/Redskins playing on Thanksgiving again and make it happen every year. I think it’s going to happen.
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Eliminating the Pro Bowl is a great idea...
It is completely meaningless, not to mention the league pays around 4 million dollars to the players just to play. That doesn’t include the cost of promo’s and renting the entire freaking island of Hawaii.
I wish they would still have the selections for the “Pro Bowl” players…but turn it into a competition for each position, kinda like the old Quarterback Challenge. Total up the points for the winners of each event, and make the outcome decide something for the Super Bowl; maybe the winner automatically wins the coin toss for the NFC or AFC
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Schefter's comment is undoubtedly true, but meaningless
We’re looking at Manning, Flynn, Orton, and also considering moving up for RG3? Who’da thunk? I have no doubt that Shanahan is considering almost every known QB, for cost, ability, suitability, etc. He has probably begun some initial sifting, and prioritizing. But his list will change some with changing circumstances. And we fans aren’t going to know what he does until he does it. He is very tricky, plays things close to the vest, and plays games – all of which is the smart thing to do. I think most of the predictions we hear essentially represent what the person thinks he (or she) would do in Shanahan’s circumstances. All very good and reasonable, but we probably don’t know as much as Mike, about the various QBs, or how he wants to use them.
If it was me, I’d try to get Manning if he was healthy and I thought I could work with him. If I missed, in the draft I would try to trade up to get RG3 for a reasonable price (maybe 2012 1 and 2, 2013 one, although I could be a little flexible), and if I couldn’t do it, try to trade down, but in a way so as to not lose Tannehill, Foles, Weeden or any other QB I wanted. If I did get Manning, I wouldn’t try to trade up, but would still make sure I got the young QB I wanted. If I did miss on Manning, I would not spend much money on an unproven veteran QB. No matter what scenario unfolded, I would insist on getting a promising young QB – RG3 or one of the three I mentioned, or any other I happened to want (there’s no telling who Shanahan might actually like).
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