Browns got you downs?
I just wanted to go on a bit of a rant, because it seems like everyone fears the Browns and their apparent trade ammunition, and how it won't be possible for us to outbid them for RG3. While this might be true, I think that fear is a bit unwarranted, because I don't think the Browns are as desperate to move up for RG3 as we are, or in other words, have less motivation to move up, and therefore won't be willing to take out the big guns to outbid us.
First Motive
As of now, it doesn't seem like there is an elite prospective at #6. Part of the reason I want to move up for RG3 is because I don't yet see anyone who is really worthwhile at #6, and I do not like the idea of reaching (though I can understand it to an extent). Most of the mock drafts I'm seeing have Luck, RG3, Kalil, Blackmon, Claiborne as the top 5, without a clear #6. Obviously, a lot can change and will have to change for the Rams to consider trading with us and dropping to that #6 position. However, from the Browns position, if I were them at least, I would want the Skins to trade with the Rams. That would give me clear access to Blackmon (or Kalil, if somehow the Vikings passed him up). Blackmon is one heck of a consolation prize (or trade bait). Our consolation prize for missing on RG3 would be... ? Maybe Reiff? Would we put him at LT? Would that cause an immature TW to defiantly smoke his sorrows away and screw us over? But that's a different story altogether. The point is, I believe we have more motivation to move up than the Browns do from a consolation prize standpoint.
Second Motive
We have Rex. They have Colt. I haven't seen Colt play all that much, but I imagine Colt + Blackmon + whoever else they want to get with their second 1st rounder would be better than Rex + whoever we could get at 6. If Colt really is that bad, they could use that second 1st rounder to have their pick of any of the other QBs. If we don't trade up for RG3, we super-reach for our pick of the other QBs, or we hope for an unlikely trade back, or we risk missing the QB we want waiting until the 2nd round. So I would say that we are in a worse QB situation than the Browns are, and thus we have greater motivation in that department as well.
Third Motive
I don't really have anything solid here, but putting up just two things seemed a bit lame. I'll say that I think Shanahan has more input into who the team drafts than Pat Shurmur does. I imagine Holmgren is the decision maker for personnel in Cleveland (correct me if I'm wrong). So although both coaches could be on short leashes at this point, Shanahan has more say in making a big splash to keep himself here, whereas I don't know that Shurmur has that kind of power in Cleveland.
Anyway, the whole point is that I don't think the Browns have as much reason to try to outbid the Skins, should the Skins want to trade up with the Rams. The other side to this is that if the Skins don't feel that they have to trade up to #2, the Browns don't get Blackmon/Kalil. So the Browns have to make us think that they want RG3 enough for us to bid enough to convince the Rams to trade the pick, but that seems like another post. What do you say? Do the Browns have the motive to outbid us? Would you do it if you were in their position?
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I disagree with the thought that nobody is worth the #6 pick. Should we stay at 6, and are unable to trade back, then the obvious pick is Riley Reiff.
Colt as of right now is basically a younger version of Rex with an even weaker arm. So there’s motive number 2 out the window.
Holmgren and Shurmur both know they need a better QB. According to Ken (or was it Kevin?) Holmgren is also highly impressed with Griffin. All signs point to the Browns getting RG3, one way or another.
Fair enough, but
1. In my opinion Blackmon at 4 is better than Reiff at 6.
2. Browns still have a much better chance (with BOTH their picks) at their favorite 2nd tier QB to draft than we do.
What would the browns give up? Both their 1sts? I think we could outbid that. Both their 1sts plus their 2nd?
In that case, the question is: RG3 + Nobody to throw to > Blackmon + Choice of 2nd Tier QB + high 2nd rounder? I’d say that’s debatable. Franchise qb is key, but then again look at Cincinnati’s model, plus you get another high 2nd rounder.
to outbid both of their firsts
we would have to give up our 1st and 2nd both this year and next
Steveospeak - Content Manager of Fanspeak.com
and at that cost I'd rather have Reiff and 2 picks than Blackmon
WR isn’t going to help much without a QB.
Colt + any WR = mediocre tandem
Rex + any WR = mediocre tandem
as QBs have shown (Brady, Manning) good QB + any WR = good tandem
I tried to make a simular argument on the browns sports nation
trust me they want rg3. I made a point that unless you can consistently run against those elite linebackers in that division quaterback wont matter. if the steelers/ravens /and bengles know you cant run the ball then they will be coming and rg3 will be toast
I read that post you made on DBN
but i think a lot of them want RG3 if he falls to them, i go on their site a lot and talk to them and their are a few of them that would like to trade up for RG3 but most would rather wait and take him with the 4th pick. they had a post on there about a week ago saying would the trade their 1st #4, 3rd rd and 4th rd to move up for RG3 and a big majority said no
noone at #6?
I guess Trent Richardson is not elite,and none will want to trade up and get him.I suppose the browns are set at RB even with Hillis leaving.I wouldnt be upset if we took him at 6,and let Hightower walk.He is a Terrell Davis type talent,and perfect fit for zone running.Everyone wants Shanahan to pick a RB in late rounds,but he has never had talent like Richardson since Davis.I promise you that someone will want to have our #6 pick,and there will be a few teams that will bid on it.I read a post by a blogger that everyone was bashing on,by saying that the Packers would be a trade partner with the Skins.If you think about it,it may be something to watch.With all the young talent they have,there weakest position is RB.Another trade partner might be the Patriots.
that is simply not gonna happen
If you are a team targeting Trent Richardson why would you want to make a Deal with the Redskins? when there are 4 teams that draft behind the Redskins that will NOT draft a RB? Jacksonville, Carolina, Miami and Buffalo, it would be in there best interest to try and make a deal with one of these teams cause the trade would be a lot cheaper. So that is not gonna happen, there aint no Julio Jones deals out there cause there is NO threat of the Redskins taking him or 4 other teams after them. Browns got that deal last year cause the Falcons knew they was gonna take him with their pick.
by Highspeed30 on Feb 5, 2012 9:24 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
If Colt really is that bad, they could use that second 1st rounder to have their pick of any of the other QBs.
Wouldn’t that be going from bad to worse from their perspective? Colt was a 1st round pick and they’re going to replace him with a 2nd round pick? Put some talent around the guy.
If we don’t trade up for RG3, we super-reach for our pick of the other QBs, or we hope for an unlikely trade back, or we risk missing the QB we want waiting until the 2nd round.
Aren’t all of the QB’s after RGIII rated at 2nd round or later so what are we risking by using our high 2nd pound pick…essentially a low 1st rounder….?
McCoy was a 3rd rd pick not a 1st rd pick.
If they dont move up for RG3 i dont think they will take a QB in the early part of the draft. My guess is that Holmgren will bring in a veteran in FA, maybe a Matt Flynn which is his kinda QB(a backup from another team Hasslebeck, Farve), Jason Campbell.
I’d like to see Campbell go to Cleveland for starter/back up, & WCO takes time to learn. Liking the SEC QB’s next year – love to see Murray from Georgia in the Orange & Brown.
A bargain is something you don't need at a price you can't resist....
If I agreed with you we'd both be wrong!
My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch!
Once you start agreeing with TDSH, you know that you're wrong.
It will certainly be intersesting to see what happens in free agency.
Orton, Flynn, Campbell and Manning(?) Will determine the QB futures, at least in the short term for some teams.
I still think the Skins trade up with St. Louis for RG3.
I see it as more cushion for the pushin'
by iH8dallas on Feb 5, 2012 9:37 AM EST via mobile reply actions
The interesting part is...
…free agency will happen before the draft. So, we’ll pretty much know going into the draft whether or not we are still gunning for a QB. It makes me want to freeze myself until April..
just because we pick up a free agent.....
doesn’t mean that Tanny, Foles and Weeden are out of the discussion…..well, maybe Weeden.
"Please don't dominate the rap, Jack, if you got nothin' new to say."-Robert Hunter
Well it would kill trade-up discussions
There is no way we grab a high profile FA QB and then trade up for RG3.
If you get a guy like Orton
I dont think that mean you still trade up, Orton would fill the Rex position of Veteran to go to in case Rookie struggle too much early
I think we are all in for a shocker.
We will trade up i bet and get either luck or RG3 which i think we will get RG3 though .Ole shanny has a trick up his sleeve and i think we will be shocked if anything . But if we get manning which i hope in pray we dont do then i will be very disappointed say the least . If we end up getting manning be prepared in a few years to being back in the same predicament that we are in now again and by that time we will end up rebuilding again for another 20 years yet again if we get manning.
Too good to be true...
Hi everyone, I am a Skins fan from Australia, brief background my first skins jersey was a Smoot and I have been reading the blog most of the season to keep up on the actions since I am not in US but before I digress and give you my lifestory.
I have come across some similar comments a few times now and it is really got me to having to ask, Do we have foundations to stories like these? Like is someone someone rifling through Shanny’s trash and finding a mock draft board in crayola or something equally awesome?
Don’t get me wrong, it seems that Redskins QB play is currently our biggest ball and chain going forward but I want to have more then a gut feel or a “I hope therefore it is” and a genuine how and or why to predict the skins rebuild. Looking at the latest mocks. believing RG3 is getting here is big enough but getting Luck, like really? For the record, I still feel we have too many needs to mortgage our future picks if the price for the picks is like what I have read.
welcome to HH!
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Manning doesn’t want to be in the same conference, much less division as his brother. he has stated that many times.
A bargain is something you don't need at a price you can't resist....
If I agreed with you we'd both be wrong!
My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch!
Once you start agreeing with TDSH, you know that you're wrong.
What happens in the draft depends on what happens in free agency
This is obvious, but illustrates that we will learn a lot before the draft. Cleveland is clearly the biggest threat to take RG3, and they are in a far better position to get him if they want him. I.e., if they want him, they get him. If the Skins get Flynn or Orton, they still have to draft a QB, probably Tannehill, Foles or Weeden, but possibly even RG3. Unfortunately, the same dynamic would apply to Cleveland, too, although I would think that if they took Flynn, they would most likely not give a lot to trade up for RG3. We could be in the catbird seat (for getting RG3) on draft day.
Clevelands GM has stated that they will be busy in free agaency this year. We’ve got the cash (way under the cap) and are looking at WR’s, RB’s, O line, & possibly LB/DE.
IMO – St Louis & Minnesota will want too much from you guys for the trade up, cause they could miss out on the Rock Star left tackles that they both need and WR’s.
If free agency went well (I can see another QB getting there this way) and there was a lot of quality pick ups, the #4 slot would go to either you guys, Seattle, and possibly even Dallas. Cleveland would love to get extra good picks to go along with signing good FA’s, but they aren’t going to let an opportunity to get more go by. RGIII wont fall past #4 – just depends on who’s got what to get there.
A bargain is something you don't need at a price you can't resist....
If I agreed with you we'd both be wrong!
My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch!
Once you start agreeing with TDSH, you know that you're wrong.
picks and players would get you RGIII from us, the question is what do you got for trade?
A bargain is something you don't need at a price you can't resist....
If I agreed with you we'd both be wrong!
My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch!
Once you start agreeing with TDSH, you know that you're wrong.
They wont take a qb they will take either blackmon or richardson with the 1st pick and the 2nd 1 pick will be a linebacker and 2nd round pick will be either a running back or wide reciever depending on who they take in the 1st pick.
Rumors have said that Mcnabb is going to the Browns and both are interested in each other.
pretty sure Cleveland would riot worse than when LeBron left
Steveospeak - Content Manager of Fanspeak.com
WR or QB depending on how bad free agency went. RB is not worth a 1st round pick anymore.
A bargain is something you don't need at a price you can't resist....
If I agreed with you we'd both be wrong!
My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch!
Once you start agreeing with TDSH, you know that you're wrong.
I think that they really want Blackmon
and if the Redskins traded up to #2 that would insure them of landing Blackmon, with their 2nd pick i think they going DE or maybe RT , and their 2nd rd pick LB,RB or QB.

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