If The Redskins Sign Peyton, There Will Be No Saturday
The teams salivating for a shot at acquiring Indianapolis QB Peyton Manning got the answer to their prayers yesterday. Two doctors, one being the last surgeon to operate on him, have cleared Peyton to play. Teams like the Jets, Browns, Dolphins, and of course, the Redskins all have quarterback situations. I can guarantee the topic has come up more than once in each of their front offices.
Many news sources and insiders believe that bringing in Peyton to any squad would involve some sort of package deal. One of those scenarios involves Jeff Saturday. I would like to try my rapping skills here: Stay away Saturday.
How was that?
I wouldn't mind Peyton in Washington, the details of which, I will get into a little. That's not the point of this. The point is, I don't want Saturday. Not because he's old (late 30's), or because he plays bad (which actually, he doesn't), but because of continuity.
Read on after the jump...
I am definitely not against Peyton in Washington, given he is 100% and WANTS to be here. I don't see how either of those is 100% guaranteed, so we will see how that pans out.
Jeff Saturday, however, I can definitely say I don't want.
His play speaks for itself, 13 years with Peyton Manning's hands in his crotch is actually an accomplishment. Seriously, Saturday has been Peyton's reliable bodyguard for a long time and probably has a few good seasons left in him. A few.
But the Redskins have this terrible habit of ditching their solid players in hopes of new (or old) shiny ones. Will Montgomery has been a solid center, and I don't believe we should count him out. If we start removing elements of the Redskins team that are established (The line as a whole isn't, but Montgomery should be) it sends a bad message to the players: "We want to bring in Peyton, but we have to bring _____ and _____ and _____ too, so even though you guys work your asses off..."
Saturday is a pro-bowl center. He's got experience that any team would want, and is one of the Colts' most reliable players (has only missed 6 games since 2000). But we have been bitten by this snake before. It's time to stop walking down that path.
Continuity: The unbroken and consistent existence or operation of something over a period of time.
I have an equation for you.
Redskins + Saturday - Mongomery ≠ Continuity
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So "IF"
the organization bring in Manning will it just be for a 2 yr deal, and then go after RG3. Then he can benefit from Manning’s tutelage for a maximum of just 2yrs?!
I’m content with that.
No
The Redskins wouldn’t take two large chances like that. Drafting up for RGIII and signing a potential mine-field with Peyton.
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by Ronnie Adkins on Feb 3, 2012 9:53 AM EST up reply actions
Holy crap man! Mortgage our future and sign a 36 year old QB? WOOOOOOO

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This gives me a headache
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by Ronnie Adkins on Feb 3, 2012 9:58 AM EST up reply actions
Its pretty much a visualization of every QB thread on HH
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I would only like Peyton if we got him in FA for a reasonably priced deal
And then drafted Tannehill (or someone) to sit and learn for two or three years
The words Peyton and Resonably Priced
are not going to be in the same sentence. Probably ever again.
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by Ronnie Adkins on Feb 3, 2012 9:53 AM EST up reply actions
Reasonably priced as in less than $28 million for a rickety old guy
No matter where he solicits his services, no one is going to out bid Irsay after the surgery Manning went through. He’ll make millions, but probably in the teens and not the twenties…
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free agents and the term reasonably priced are NEVER ina sentence. We have overpaid for countless free agent bust"s.THUIS is the 1 free agent we should break the bank for, not mortgage the future i.e losing draft picks and whatnot, but pay the man his 20 mill a yrs cause we NEED him. Manning for 3 years is a LOCK for a atleast 1 ring. Look at Indy’s defense they have had all those yrs , horrible..Skins d has been significantly better than them yr in and out with exception of 2 yrs ago when they finished 30th.
by Ronnie Miller on Feb 3, 2012 10:33 AM EST up reply actions
The good thing is
the Redskins are under the Cap, and have money to “play” with
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by Ronnie Adkins on Feb 3, 2012 9:54 AM EST up reply actions
mbedner - exactly my thoughts - get Peyton only if reasonable priced,
he wants to come here, the Shanahans think they can work with him, and they draft a really promising young QB as his successor – Tannehill, Foles, Weeden, or whoever Shanahan likes.
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This one was funnier
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by Ronnie Adkins on Feb 3, 2012 9:58 AM EST up reply actions
Behold: The body of a professional athlete.
What an Adonis. His pecs are sublime and those abs were chiseled by the Gods themselves.
Continuity is important
but Monty is just not a very good football player. Saturday would be an upgrade and we could still draft a Molk, who could then replace him in a year or two.
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I did... does that BLOW YOUR MIND!?!?!
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Is Brett Favre your backup plan?
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Don't worry,
Snyder’s got him on speed dial
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by Ronnie Adkins on Feb 3, 2012 10:15 AM EST up reply actions
Quarterback plans for 2012
Plan A) Peyton Manning
Plan B) Brett Favre
Plan C) Getting DNA off of Sammy Baugh and creating Baugh 2.0
Plan D) A Pepsi machine, he performed well in the combine
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by Parks Smith on Feb 3, 2012 10:19 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Baugh 2.0 might be good, though it might take a few years.
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But the Pepsi machine's delivery is too low.
You always have to go low to catch it.
I really think Pepsi machine needs to convert to OL (Center, to be exact).
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Here's the thing, as a Redskins fan that has been through 20 years of crappy of football...
would you rather:
A) Sign Peyton Manning, have a two year Super Bowl window (at best)?
or
B) Continue to rebuild the right way and build a winner that could sustain success over an extended period of time?
Have you not seen this story before?
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My bad guys...
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agreed, I'd rather keep building the right way
the only way I’d want Peyton is if he doesn’t break the bank AND he mentors the QB we draft this year.
Beause I dont think that Washington should be the Boneyard
He can go retire somewhere else. No more old ass FA. IDC who they are.
How freaking stupid
Just to entertain the thought of bringing someones else garbage to our team ? He might be a decent QB but to bring him here is about the stupiest thing this team could ever do . If we brought him here 5 years ago i say ok but bring him here after a neck problem and only if we are lucky for 2 or 3 years , this would screw this team up for years to come . If dan synder allows this stupidity to happen he should sell this team to someone who cares about this team .
Rebuild from the draft not by getting old garbage from other teams to come here and freakin retire .
Well
He’s pretty much the best quarterback of our generation… So there’s that…
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by Ronnie Adkins on Feb 3, 2012 10:21 AM EST up reply actions
Yea the 2000s generation, it's the 2010s now...
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False...
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Do you really need to ask that? Peyton Manning, is there a third QB I don't know about?
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Dicks Enormous
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by Ronnie Adkins on Feb 3, 2012 10:26 AM EST up reply actions
Ron Mexico was a special talent also.
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peyton
How many super bowls has peyton won ?
by washingtonwin on Feb 3, 2012 10:27 AM EST up reply actions
How man did Dan Marino win? I was under the impression football was a team sport.
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false Dan Fouts and Fran Tarkenton have no business in the HOF. Trent Dilfer, Mark Rypien, Jeff Hostetler, Phil Simms, Jim Plunkett etc.
are all far superior QB’s.
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I hope you're kidding...
Fouts was the Pre-Marino and Tark is the measuring stick to all running QBs…
oh completely kidding
i think basing a QB’s greatness on SB’s or SB victories is extremely short-sided. Especially in years past when there was no free agency.
Super Bowls are pretty much always won by the best overall team (sure there are some major upsets to that balance). Sometimes it might be because the QB difference, but other times it can be a host of other factors (Adam Vinatari winning Brady’s first two SB’s)
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really damn i guess i need to label things more when i'm being sarcastic
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Someone please post that meme of Petyon and Brady shaking hands
and Petyon says something like ‘your team went 11-5 when you were injured. Mine went 2-14.’ That should explain it really…
by mbedner on Feb 3, 2012 10:27 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
uncle rico....
if we’d had just put him in….we would have won the superbowl..I bet he could throw that ball over them mountains
by jkitts84 on Feb 3, 2012 11:06 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
If
Tom brady wins this super bowl he will be tied with terry bradshaw and joe montana for most super bowl wins.
So Terry Bradshaw is a better QB then Peyton Manning from your formula?
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How many super bowls does peyton have compared to terry bradshaw , joe montana , and tom brady ?
by washingtonwin on Feb 3, 2012 10:28 AM EST up reply actions
Count the RINGS not that hard to figure out.
by washingtonwin on Feb 3, 2012 10:30 AM EST up reply actions
So if I understand your logic:
Trent Dilfer = Peyton Manning?
by mbedner on Feb 3, 2012 10:31 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I GUESS HE IS JUST AVERAGE AT BEST
Only 1 ring , hell his own brother if he wins this super bowl would be better than peyton .
by washingtonwin on Feb 3, 2012 10:33 AM EST up reply actions
I can't believe you just said that.
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by Ronnie Adkins on Feb 3, 2012 10:33 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Look at the Giants Defense throughout the years, looks at the Giants runningback stable, look at the Giants top 5 WR core
Peyton has never really had any of those things.
+1
man if Rex Grossman would’ve pulled off the SB win in ’07 then:
Grossman > Manning
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With no supporting cast what so ever
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haha
you know what they say QB’s win championships…no wait that’s wrong
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Once again... is Terry Bradshaw a better quarterback than Peyton Manning?
Is Roethlisberger better than Manning?
Is Plunkett better than Manning?
Griese?
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If you have 1 ring
Then peyton has not shown much at all , if you win it once then your not in the same playing field as terry or joe or tom . The rings is what counts .
by washingtonwin on Feb 3, 2012 10:36 AM EST up reply actions
So football isn't a team sport? And Dan Marino was a terrible quarterback?
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Yeah! If Dan Marino was so bad, why was he in Ace Ventura?
Answer that one, Washingtonwin…
by mbedner on Feb 3, 2012 10:41 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
And why would NurtiSystem choose him as a sponsor? hmmmmmmmm....
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Because they wanted a pair of Isotoner gloves?
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Do you ever answer questions?
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Absoutely not!
I’ve followed pro football since the early 50’s and Peyton is the best I’ve ever seen. The rest of the team is a result of management and coaches.
I'm not the Devil's Advocate but I consiider him a close friend
I think the arguement can be made that Brady is better w/o bringing in SB rings
His numbers are close to Peyton’s and I believe Brady can/will surpassed Peyton in many of those categories. Either way, you’re still talking about two of the top 10 qb’s of all time.
HTTR!
Career Stats
QB Rating: Manning-94.9 Brady-96.4
TD’s: M-399, B-300
INT’s: M-198, B-99
Comp %: M-64.9 B-63.8
Yrs: M-13, B 12
HTTR!
actually, since Manning just lost a whole season...
he should be counted as 12 yrs…
Given that, consider -
399 > 300
But…
99 < 198
Coin flip…
well to that point
Brady played only 1 game in 2008 so Peyton still has 1 year more than him
who knows...
Brady might play a year throwing for 99 TDs and 99 Ints, which would place them in a tie…
peyton's 13 year's does not include this year.
Brady’s 12 includes the two seasons he only played in one game, 2000 and 2008.
HTTR!
another factor that usually gets overlooked is sacks
Manning has been sacked just 3.1% of his dropbacks, Brady 4.9%, while both are good numbers (Manning’s is the 2nd highest since sacks were recorded) and both have had good to great offensive lines in front of them (Brady has easily had better lines), that is a pretty significant difference.
Furthermore fumbles are another factor in Peyton’s favor. Brady has fumbled the ball 78 times in about 6,000 times touching the ball (5,600 dropbacks, nearly 400 rushes), Peyton has just 57 fumbles in about 7,800 touches (7,440 dropbacks, 350 rushes)
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Manning is well behind though
in pct% of passes completed while sleeping with a hot model
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Ah, the famous "Completion of Passes leading to a Score" percentage.
The question is, how do you know?
I mean, didn’t Magic Johnson once boast that he’d been with over 10K?
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Brady>Manning
Why can’t we sign Peyton and continue to rebuild the right way?? He would allow us to be competitive during the rebuild. Last time this post was up UK was saying if we sign Peyton than we have to get Saturday and Wayne with it so this post throws that out the window. So why can’t we do both??
That's how UK felt
This is how I feel. We aren’t all the same guy with different logons.
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by Ronnie Adkins on Feb 3, 2012 10:34 AM EST up reply actions
Why can't we have our cake and eat it to?
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This year highlighted that Manning has no intention of mentoring young QBs
I would gladly take him and draft Tannehill if he showed a willingness to help mentor him over the next few years.
Tom brady going to his 5th super bowl
What has peyton manning done ? WOW 1 super bowl .
Take it easy
He hasn’t moved on from the alphabet.
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by Ronnie Adkins on Feb 3, 2012 10:39 AM EST up reply actions
Because Tom Brady did everything
Tom Brady got injured and his team was still competitive. That means there is a lot of talent around him.
Peyton Manning went down and the Colts stunk. That means he makes him players better. Peyton > Brady any day, any time.
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by Ronnie Adkins on Feb 3, 2012 10:39 AM EST up reply actions
The Pats were good b/c Matt Cassel
He left NE and led a lesser KC team to the playoffs as well. He threw 27 tds to 7 ints and made the Pro Bowl, so it’s not like Curtis Painter/Dan Orvlasky(who also was on the 0-16 team)/Kerry Collins led them to that record. If the Colts had anything resembling a decent Qb they they could’ve won more games. That argument is false.
Peyton is a good QB
I will say that but as far as being better than tom brady your crazy . Tom brady has been to 5 super bowls in 10 years can peyton manning say that ?I think not , peyton manning was living off his dads name thats all .
peyton is all hype unless he has the RINGS then he has not done anything except choked when it counts
by washingtonwin on Feb 3, 2012 10:44 AM EST up reply actions
You must be a huge Robert Horry fan.
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haha comment of the day!
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I'm sure he has been to five, but I only know of him playing in two
He will have definitely been to four by the end of the week — I’m pretty certain he was there (or will be there) for BOTH of Eli’s Superbowls.
How many Super Bowls would the Patriots have gone to by now with Peyton Manning?
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13 straight
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by Ronnie Adkins on Feb 3, 2012 10:44 AM EST up reply actions
Your comparing aplles to oranges my friend
by washingtonwin on Feb 3, 2012 10:45 AM EST up reply actions
Ah, the old aplles and oranges debate.
by mbedner on Feb 3, 2012 10:47 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
haha
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So you don't have an answer to yet another question?
Have you ever even had an apple or an orange to eat? They are both delicious.
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Matt Light has gone to just as many superbowls
Does that make him the best LT ever?
by Nobetterthenbob on Feb 3, 2012 1:15 PM EST up reply actions
My point is
You will set this team back years if you brought in peyton manning . Sure waste 28 millions and sign him for a few years then watch him screw this team up and retire or get hurt before his contracts up
His contract doesn't transfer here buddy.
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I thought it was to win a Super Bowl...
But by your standards Jim Kelly should be the greatest of all-time, right?
The key word here is team. If you want to argue the 2000s Pats are better than the 2000s Colts then you’re absolutely right. Or the 70s Steelers are better than the 2000s Colts, then right again! But we’re comparing individuals. An individual cannot win the Super Bowl by himself.
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SUPER BOWL
HMMMMM tom brady 5 peyton how many ?
2. So once again Dan Marino is the worst quarterback in the history of the NFL, right?
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So Grossman = Marino?
Answer my question please.
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If you can not win the dance then your not worth 2 pennys .
by washingtonwin on Feb 3, 2012 10:58 AM EST up reply actions
So when Tom Brady lost the Superbowl in 2008, they dropped his salary to two pennies?
That hardly seems worth the risk…
by mbedner on Feb 3, 2012 11:00 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
OK
Wheres all the peyton fans to argue their points again ?
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by Ronnie Adkins on Feb 3, 2012 11:01 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
No need to argue, you lose the argument talking to yourself.
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It's hard to argue with your logic.
Were you on the debate team?
by HogHunter on Feb 3, 2012 11:03 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Not only was he on the debate team, but he was a five time spelling bee champion, too
He is the one on the left
This has to stop.
I can’t stress enough the fact that even I’d he’s healthy we won’t sign him.
I still stick by my guns that we trade up for RG3.
I see it as more cushion for the pushin'
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Thank you
No peyton , we need to draft up and get RG3 period and not get peyton .
by washingtonwin on Feb 3, 2012 11:02 AM EST up reply actions
Wait, RG3 doesn't have any rings...
Are you sure you want to do that?
by mbedner on Feb 3, 2012 11:03 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
DUH
Try rebuilding from the draft and maybe we could get another ring for this team .
by washingtonwin on Feb 3, 2012 11:04 AM EST up reply actions
Trading 3-6 picks for 1 player
is rebuilding through the draft?
by HogHunter on Feb 3, 2012 11:05 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
It would cost
Way less signing RG3 at the rookie pay scale verses paying manning a shit load .
by washingtonwin on Feb 3, 2012 11:06 AM EST up reply actions
RG3 at #2 is going to be $20+ mil in guaranteed money
Financials aren’t the question
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i don't know manure costs are skyrocketing
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It would probably more cost efficient to save the picks and sign manning
If you give away picks for RG3, you can’t draft as many cheap rookies. Therefore, you’d have to rely on high priced FA which might, in turn, cost more money…
+1
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PARKS
Its all about the RING and even though marino might be good he never got a RING , so if you can not win it all then your not that good .
I wish you would end some of your posts with "GOSH!"
That would make it even more enjoyable to read your posts with Napoleon Dynamite’s voice.
by BurgundyEpidermis on Feb 3, 2012 7:40 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Washingtonwin
Be realistic now.. Jim McMahon is better than Dan Marino?? Trent Dilfer is better than Dan Marino?? But I’m with you on Brady better than Manning. Brady could be the best ever!
GOOD???
I have seen both Dan Marino and Tom Brady for their entire careers… and Dan Marino is a much better pure pocket passer, no contest
The world looks mighty different when you're peeking out your belly button
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The world looks mighty different when you're peeking out your belly button
by Skins Fan '77 on Feb 3, 2012 11:12 AM EST up reply actions
Dan Fouts is a better QBn than McMahon and so is Warren Moon
A lot of QBs could have won a SB with that Bears defense.
SB wins is NOT a good measuring stick for how good a QB is, PERIOD.
exactly
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Is it as hard as hitting the "reply" button?
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+1
I love playing instigator
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by Ronnie Adkins on Feb 3, 2012 11:04 AM EST up reply actions
my bag sorry i get carried away sometimes .
by washingtonwin on Feb 3, 2012 11:05 AM EST up reply actions
What's in your bag?
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I wouls say but you might get upset and im not going to try and insult you because im trying to play nicely .
by washingtonwin on Feb 3, 2012 11:08 AM EST up reply actions
Something in your bag would insult me?
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Lets just leave it alone im trying to be nice
by washingtonwin on Feb 3, 2012 11:11 AM EST up reply actions
Now I'm just curious what's in that man purse of yours
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I insist you say what is in your bag
I’m sure he can handle it. Plus, the spelling mistakes and grammatical errors will be hilarious!
by mbedner on Feb 3, 2012 11:15 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I think you're bluffing... you don't even have a bag!
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+The whole internet
No numerical value represents how awesome that was
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by Ronnie Adkins on Feb 3, 2012 11:21 AM EST up reply actions
Which one? W2W or Parks?
‘cuz they’re both moing toward that old “Never argue with…” saw.
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washingtonwin is a troll
Parks is just an ass
by prc805 on Feb 3, 2012 12:42 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
+1
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And which is the +1 for? Parks being an Ass?
I don’t see Donkey ears on you, Parks!
Personally, I would rate Peyton Manning as the greatest QB of all time. Brady is in the conversation, but he’s not even (quite) #2 as far as I’m concerned. He is top ten, without question, however. But folks are leaving out guys like Jonny Unitas, Bart Starr, Y.A. Tittle, Slingin Sammy Baugh, etc. These others (well, probably not Starr) also have some ability to claim “Greatest QB” as part of the title, and all are deserving of mention. We have been extremely lucky to have seen two of the all time greatest QBs playing simulateneously for this decade… that’s a rarity, and it’ll get rarer. Can’t we just agree that we have a 1a and 1b at this time?
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Don’t you have an AARP meeting and the early bird special at Rudy’s to hit?
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Actually, I was thinking of going to Mary's, to be honest.
Great local food, not as pricy as Rudy Inlet stuff. Mary’s is off Virginia Beach Blvd, about three blocks from the beach.
And no AARP meetings today, Matlock is on.
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Yeah so… back to the post, and Saturday
I think he is a bit too old to be worth bringing in and I agree with Ronnie about continuity.
The Redskins really need to think through their player acquisitions more effectively.
(I still think the culture of Dan Snyder is what is screwing up this franchise…)
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The plusses and minuses of bringing in Manning (assuming he is healthy)
Plusses
• Redskins will have an elite QB for the next 2 to 5 years.
• Leadership for the young guys
• Allows Redskins to keep all draft picks
• Can focus on rebuilding OL, WR, DB, and ILB via the draft this year
• The skins may be able to be more strategic and opportunistic next year or the year after in drafting his replacement
Minuses
• Durability, can he keep playing at an elite level for at least 2 years. Can he remain healthy?
• Cost, cap implications?
• Will we need to bring in Saturday, Wayne etc? Is that a good or bad thing?
• Can he get along with Shanny & son?
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What I like about bringing in Manning
Is you aren’t mortgaging your future, you’re actually securing it. Yes, we might only get a few good years, but his play could keep the Redskins competitive while they finish rebuilding the rest of the team, to draft a franchise face down the road.
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by Ronnie Adkins on Feb 3, 2012 11:10 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Im agree with you more and more
What would be interesting to see is what would his contract look like. 5 yrs/$85 mil. More? how much guaranteed? Also, if he insists on bringing in Wayne and Saturday, what do their contracts look like?
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By then you (theoretically) would have weapons
for him (a rookie in, say, 2015) to use. Established, experienced players for him to thrive on.
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by Ronnie Adkins on Feb 3, 2012 11:14 AM EST up reply actions
Yep
Makes it very appealing. Rebuild the line this year, maybe add a WR and CB in the Draft as well. and he will get those young to play
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Maybe not the second.
Cousins in the 3rd or 4th. Would be a possibility
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by Ronnie Adkins on Feb 3, 2012 11:19 AM EST up reply actions
Redskin44 - good summary of the issues, the pros and cons
I know one fan, in an article citing examples, said Peyton is not a good mentor – does not help develop his backups. But I don’t know if that is true. Drafting Tannehill, Foles, etc would solve the durability problem (by having a good backup, increasingly ready to go the longer Peyton lasts). Keeping those draft picks is a big plus, the same plus as getting Flynn or some other veteran FA. I think it comes down to money – how much we want him.
I've heard that as well
but I would not really expect him to mentor. But that extra year or two would still allow a rookie to develop and not be forced into action. I dont know if Favre was the best mentor to Rodgers.
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the proof is in the pudding.
Painter was TERRIBLE!!!!!!!
The more I think about it, the more I don't think Manning is a good fit
Even though part of me REALLY wants to see us get that kind of QB. But is he really healthy and if so how many more years does he really have in him? Maybe 3?
HOLD ON, there seems to be confusion here
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But what about THIS!
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by Ronnie Adkins on Feb 3, 2012 11:22 AM EST up reply actions
Shit
THIS!
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/7534274/sources-peyton-manning-medically-cleared-resume-nfl-career
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by Ronnie Adkins on Feb 3, 2012 11:22 AM EST up reply actions
Haha i know you fixed it below, but damn it's funny having a headline promoting something and nothing ends up being there
it reminds me of the Redskins promoting McNabb like an elite QB.
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Basically
*Doctors have cleared him. Not the in-house one. I need to fix that. One of them DID do the last surgery
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by Ronnie Adkins on Feb 3, 2012 11:24 AM EST up reply actions
Well here is the key
"One of ESPN’s sources was quoted as saying: “It’s not a safety issue; it’s a performance issue.”
He is physically cleared to play, but his arm strength is worse than Chad Pennington’s
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by Skins Fan '77 on Feb 3, 2012 11:28 AM EST up reply actions
That is a frightening article
I believe that Peyton is getting bad advice and his desire/impatiens to play our leading him down a path away from recovering… that is NOT how to rehabilitate a damaged nerve
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by Skins Fan '77 on Feb 3, 2012 11:34 AM EST up reply actions
I think this is
Irsay’s out to letting him go.
When I was a kid, my father told me, "Never hit anyone in anger, unless you're absolutely sure you can get away with it." -Russell Ziskey
Yea I'd go by that 1:30 AM tweet from Jim Irsay
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Reading washingtonwin's comments makes my head hurt
and this thread almost impossible to navigate
Aint no thang. I think we be 2 much for him. He be scared of us and I think he leff.
The board should be back to normal soon.
Arm strength - I've heard that Peyton is a workaholic
he’ll get that arm back to 95%, or not play.
Yeah I agree
And I doubt very much that he will obtain 95% this year
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by Skins Fan '77 on Feb 3, 2012 11:35 AM EST up reply actions
Football fans can be complete retards when it comes to logically evaluating a situation.
Peyton WILL NOT play in the same division as his brother. He may not even want to be in there same conference.
He will play on a team with at least one top notch receiver and a shot at the Super Bowl. (i.e. Arizona or San Francisco)
So Redskin fans wet dreams are just that…fantasy land make believe. If you are Peyton Manning, are you coming to the Redskins to win your Super Bowl next year? Nope. Let’s not be Homer-Fanboys and use common sense.
Beside the fact that drooling over a 36 y/o QB who has a bad neck and will not be able to throw at full strength is dumb.
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by Copious 1 on Feb 3, 2012 11:52 AM EST via Android app reply actions
Definitely
So could the Jets
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by Copious 1 on Feb 3, 2012 12:20 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
agree
I don’t really see the Skins being an option unless every other team closes their doors to Peyton
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Can we make washingtonwin an editor?
I think I know what’s in his bag…

There's always next year...
by The Shanaplan on Feb 3, 2012 12:00 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
sorry but
some of your logical reason don’t float
WILL NOT play in the same division as his brother…that is the silliest reason for him not to come here. That will not be an issue
Arizona has a shot at a Super Bowl? San Fran has good WRs? What makes you think San Fran wants him?
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I don't think that's silly at all and I tend to agree.
WILL NOT play in the same division as his brother…that is the silliest reason for him not to come here.
Many people have hinted at Peyton thinking this himself. Look at the Harbaugh family, Tom Creen (married to Harbaugh’s sister) said the family emotionally can’t take the two brothers coaching against each other and that it was a terrible night for the family. Different families has different dynamics, but I’d think Peyton doesn’t want to be close to Eli at all.
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Answer me this.
Why would he play in the same division?
If Garcon can be a top option, is Crabtree not significantly more talented?
Didn’t San Fran just get a game away from there Super Bowl with a less talented a now free agent QB?
So why would a 5-11 team interest him more than a conference championship team?
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by Copious 1 on Feb 3, 2012 12:12 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Why would facing his brother 2x a year be such a huge issue? It might be a minus, but he is not going to base his decision on this…not even close
Crabtree has yet to prove himself to be an elite WR. Certainly not a situation Peyton says " I wanna play with that guy"
We don’t know if Harbough even want him in San Fran
I will agree that are current state as a team will have an impact on his decision. And more importantly, what Peyton an Archie think of Shanny . But if they believe the team is turning the corner and has some good young talent, then they may feel its the right fit.
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I dont' know if he'll 'base his decision' on it
but i think it could be a significant factor. I basically think he’d choose just about any other team above the Skins. Not just the Eli factor, but also the chance to win.
The Skins are a team that is deeply rebuilding right now and they are in a pretty tough division. Yes only one team finished above .500, but who wants to bet against the Eagles next year, or think the Cowboys are really this bad. Going to a team in the AFC South, West or NFC West would be far more preferable, even if that team had a worst record than us. Peyton going to the Rams is better than the Skins, even though the Rams are less talented. St. Louis would then be in a position to trade both the RGIII pick and Bradford, plus they are in a weaker division.
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the chance to win
will be one the most important factor, followed by ability to play in the system he wants, and then by contract $ and structure…and we fail at the first two
When I was a kid, my father told me, "Never hit anyone in anger, unless you're absolutely sure you can get away with it." -Russell Ziskey
Which is why I don't get ask off the Manning to the Redskins excitement.
Common sense says the Redskins would be at or near the bottom of his list. His decision will not be about money.
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by Copious 1 on Feb 3, 2012 1:05 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
i’m just saying playing his brother 2x a year will not be a key factor, nor will the redskins lack of a clear #1 WR be a major factor, especially if we have the opportunity to add some weapons and protection for him via the draft and fa.
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49ers want him because all they've got is Alex Smith
and Smith was horrible in the playoffs. he is a boat anchor for them. They can get a WR (or 2 or 3) in the draft.
REally? Here are his stats from the playoffs.
Vs Saints 24/42 299yds 7.1Avg 3TD 0INts 103.2QB rating
Vs Giants 12/26 196 7.5 2 0 97.6
HTTR!
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Congrats Ronnie! What a milestone! Welcome to the club!
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Hey y'all it's your country living rep. who is for an old rookie and db's that have tough names
Question, why do people think Rgiii will be a good QB in the NFL? Who is he going to be like Michael Vick? Look at their college numbers and ability numbers. Isn’t it going out on a limb picking up a QB like him who doesn’t match anyone who ever won a superbowl? When Vick came out it was talked about, not so much with Newton maybe times are changing and I didn’t notice. Funny how they changed without any S.B. victories.
About Manning, at 60% he’s probably better than most and we don’t really risk anything, no draft picks, at least that matter much. Let’s say next year with manning we pick 16 to 30 without we could pick at 5 to 15. I like to win but who really knows.
He who knows when he can fight and when he cannot, will be victorious.
Does anyone know what this means?
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Just a joke
If it isn’t funny I have much better jokes in the bag.
He who knows when he can fight and when he cannot, will be victorious.
Now you have a bag too?
What is it with people and bags on this site?
by mbedner on Feb 3, 2012 1:41 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Guess it's better than a purse.
He who knows when he can fight and when he cannot, will be victorious.
Agree with the playing against his brother deal
pretty simple actually if you have younger brothers or a younger brother than you should understand and for those that don’t; brothers compete yes but not usually in public. There is no way he is going to come and play his bro twice a year. Also if the colts believe they can get healthy years out of him they would want to keep him I think.
He who knows when he can fight and when he cannot, will be victorious.
I wonder why Eli refused San D.
Hmmm what does this mean? Guess San D. just sucks.
He who knows when he can fight and when he cannot, will be victorious.
haha
talk to you guys later hope this helped.
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Bring in Manning, Saturday, and Wayne...
Move Montgomery to Guard, Draft Blackmon, Draft a QB a round or so later in the draft…
yes we have nothing to lose
sign him for 2 years draft clairborne with the 6th pick and grab nick foles in the seond round. we make the playoffs next year and foles learns from the master and becomes the next montana for us in 3 to 4 years its that simple or we can still have grossman or beck next year
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