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If The Redskins Sign Peyton, There Will Be No Saturday


The teams salivating for a shot at acquiring Indianapolis QB Peyton Manning got the answer to their prayers yesterday. Two doctors, one being the last surgeon to operate on him, have cleared Peyton to play. Teams like the Jets, Browns, Dolphins, and of course, the Redskins all have quarterback situations. I can guarantee the topic has come up more than once in each of their front offices.

Many news sources and insiders believe that bringing in Peyton to any squad would involve some sort of package deal. One of those scenarios involves Jeff Saturday. I would like to try my rapping skills here: Stay away Saturday.

How was that?

I wouldn't mind Peyton in Washington, the details of which, I will get into a little. That's not the point of this. The point is, I don't want Saturday. Not because he's old (late 30's), or because he plays bad (which actually, he doesn't), but because of continuity.

Read on after the jump...

Star-divide

I am definitely not against Peyton in Washington, given he is 100% and WANTS to be here. I don't see how either of those is 100% guaranteed, so we will see how that pans out.

Jeff Saturday, however, I can definitely say I don't want.

His play speaks for itself, 13 years with Peyton Manning's hands in his crotch is actually an accomplishment. Seriously, Saturday has been Peyton's reliable bodyguard for a long time and probably has a few good seasons left in him. A few.

But the Redskins have this terrible habit of ditching their solid players in hopes of new (or old) shiny ones. Will Montgomery has been a solid center, and I don't believe we should count him out. If we start removing elements of the Redskins team that are established (The line as a whole isn't, but Montgomery should be) it sends a bad message to the players: "We want to bring in Peyton, but we have to bring _____ and _____ and _____ too, so even though you guys work your asses off..."

Saturday is a pro-bowl center. He's got experience that any team would want, and is one of the Colts' most reliable players (has only missed 6 games since 2000). But we have been bitten by this snake before. It's time to stop walking down that path.

Continuity: The unbroken and consistent existence or operation of something over a period of time.

I have an equation for you.

Redskins + Saturday - Mongomery ≠ Continuity

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If Peyton comes to Washington, would you bring Saturday along? Or a different player/position?
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I don't want Peyton
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So "IF"

the organization bring in Manning will it just be for a 2 yr deal, and then go after RG3. Then he can benefit from Manning’s tutelage for a maximum of just 2yrs?!

I’m content with that.

by Big Spoon on Feb 3, 2012 9:51 AM EST reply actions  

No

The Redskins wouldn’t take two large chances like that. Drafting up for RGIII and signing a potential mine-field with Peyton.

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by Ronnie Adkins on Feb 3, 2012 9:53 AM EST up reply actions  

I would only like Peyton if we got him in FA for a reasonably priced deal

And then drafted Tannehill (or someone) to sit and learn for two or three years

by mbedner on Feb 3, 2012 9:52 AM EST reply actions  

The words Peyton and Resonably Priced

are not going to be in the same sentence. Probably ever again.

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by Ronnie Adkins on Feb 3, 2012 9:53 AM EST up reply actions  

Reasonably priced as in less than $28 million for a rickety old guy

No matter where he solicits his services, no one is going to out bid Irsay after the surgery Manning went through. He’ll make millions, but probably in the teens and not the twenties…

by mbedner on Feb 3, 2012 9:55 AM EST up reply actions  

Redskins

free agents and the term reasonably priced are NEVER ina sentence. We have overpaid for countless free agent bust"s.THUIS is the 1 free agent we should break the bank for, not mortgage the future i.e losing draft picks and whatnot, but pay the man his 20 mill a yrs cause we NEED him. Manning for 3 years is a LOCK for a atleast 1 ring. Look at Indy’s defense they have had all those yrs , horrible..Skins d has been significantly better than them yr in and out with exception of 2 yrs ago when they finished 30th.

by Ronnie Miller on Feb 3, 2012 10:33 AM EST up reply actions  

The good thing is

the Redskins are under the Cap, and have money to “play” with

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by Ronnie Adkins on Feb 3, 2012 9:54 AM EST up reply actions  

mbedner - exactly my thoughts - get Peyton only if reasonable priced,

he wants to come here, the Shanahans think they can work with him, and they draft a really promising young QB as his successor – Tannehill, Foles, Weeden, or whoever Shanahan likes.

by Donnio1234 on Feb 3, 2012 11:07 AM EST up reply actions  

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by Parks Smith on Feb 3, 2012 9:55 AM EST reply actions  

Behold: The body of a professional athlete.

What an Adonis. His pecs are sublime and those abs were chiseled by the Gods themselves.

by mbedner on Feb 3, 2012 9:57 AM EST up reply actions  

Continuity is important

but Monty is just not a very good football player. Saturday would be an upgrade and we could still draft a Molk, who could then replace him in a year or two.

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by Redskin44 on Feb 3, 2012 9:57 AM EST reply actions  

Is Brett Favre your backup plan?

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by Parks Smith on Feb 3, 2012 10:10 AM EST up reply actions  

Don't worry,

Snyder’s got him on speed dial

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by Ronnie Adkins on Feb 3, 2012 10:15 AM EST up reply actions  

Quarterback plans for 2012

Plan A) Peyton Manning
Plan B) Brett Favre
Plan C) Getting DNA off of Sammy Baugh and creating Baugh 2.0
Plan D) A Pepsi machine, he performed well in the combine

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by Parks Smith on Feb 3, 2012 10:19 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Baugh 2.0 might be good, though it might take a few years.

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by BillWard on Feb 3, 2012 12:24 PM EST up reply actions  

I heard the Pepsi machine had great stats...

and performed exceptionally well at the combine…

by jgibbsfan1 on Feb 3, 2012 12:54 PM EST up reply actions  

But the Pepsi machine's delivery is too low.

You always have to go low to catch it.

I really think Pepsi machine needs to convert to OL (Center, to be exact).

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by BillWard on Feb 3, 2012 1:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Here's the thing, as a Redskins fan that has been through 20 years of crappy of football...

would you rather:

A) Sign Peyton Manning, have a two year Super Bowl window (at best)?

or

B) Continue to rebuild the right way and build a winner that could sustain success over an extended period of time?

Have you not seen this story before?

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by Parks Smith on Feb 3, 2012 10:15 AM EST up reply actions  

My bad guys...

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by Parks Smith on Feb 3, 2012 10:22 AM EST up reply actions  

agreed, I'd rather keep building the right way

the only way I’d want Peyton is if he doesn’t break the bank AND he mentors the QB we draft this year.

by aFan4Life on Feb 3, 2012 11:12 AM EST up reply actions  

Beause I dont think that Washington should be the Boneyard

He can go retire somewhere else. No more old ass FA. IDC who they are.

by ipitydafu on Feb 3, 2012 10:17 AM EST up reply actions  

WTF?

Not sure how that double posted

by ipitydafu on Feb 3, 2012 10:18 AM EST up reply actions  

How freaking stupid

Just to entertain the thought of bringing someones else garbage to our team ? He might be a decent QB but to bring him here is about the stupiest thing this team could ever do . If we brought him here 5 years ago i say ok but bring him here after a neck problem and only if we are lucky for 2 or 3 years , this would screw this team up for years to come . If dan synder allows this stupidity to happen he should sell this team to someone who cares about this team .
Rebuild from the draft not by getting old garbage from other teams to come here and freakin retire .

by washingtonwin on Feb 3, 2012 10:18 AM EST reply actions  

Well

He’s pretty much the best quarterback of our generation… So there’s that…

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by Ronnie Adkins on Feb 3, 2012 10:21 AM EST up reply actions  

Yea the 2000s generation, it's the 2010s now...

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by Parks Smith on Feb 3, 2012 10:22 AM EST up reply actions  

False...

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by Parks Smith on Feb 3, 2012 10:23 AM EST up reply actions  

Do you really need to ask that? Peyton Manning, is there a third QB I don't know about?

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by Parks Smith on Feb 3, 2012 10:25 AM EST up reply actions  

Ron Mexico was a special talent also.

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by Parks Smith on Feb 3, 2012 10:30 AM EST up reply actions  

peyton

How many super bowls has peyton won ?

by washingtonwin on Feb 3, 2012 10:27 AM EST up reply actions  

How man did Dan Marino win? I was under the impression football was a team sport.

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by Parks Smith on Feb 3, 2012 10:28 AM EST up reply actions  

I hope you're kidding...

Fouts was the Pre-Marino and Tark is the measuring stick to all running QBs…

by jgibbsfan1 on Feb 3, 2012 12:43 PM EST up reply actions  

oh completely kidding

i think basing a QB’s greatness on SB’s or SB victories is extremely short-sided. Especially in years past when there was no free agency.

Super Bowls are pretty much always won by the best overall team (sure there are some major upsets to that balance). Sometimes it might be because the QB difference, but other times it can be a host of other factors (Adam Vinatari winning Brady’s first two SB’s)

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by Steve Shoup on Feb 3, 2012 12:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Someone please post that meme of Petyon and Brady shaking hands

and Petyon says something like ‘your team went 11-5 when you were injured. Mine went 2-14.’ That should explain it really…

by mbedner on Feb 3, 2012 10:27 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

uncle rico....

if we’d had just put him in….we would have won the superbowl..I bet he could throw that ball over them mountains

by jkitts84 on Feb 3, 2012 11:06 AM EST via Android app up reply actions  

If

Tom brady wins this super bowl he will be tied with terry bradshaw and joe montana for most super bowl wins.

by washingtonwin on Feb 3, 2012 10:25 AM EST reply actions  

So Terry Bradshaw is a better QB then Peyton Manning from your formula?

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by Parks Smith on Feb 3, 2012 10:26 AM EST up reply actions  

*than

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by Parks Smith on Feb 3, 2012 10:26 AM EST up reply actions  

Again

How many super bowls does peyton have compared to terry bradshaw , joe montana , and tom brady ?

by washingtonwin on Feb 3, 2012 10:28 AM EST up reply actions  

WOW

Terry Bradshaw>Peyton Manning

by HogHunter on Feb 3, 2012 10:29 AM EST up reply actions  

So if I understand your logic:

Trent Dilfer = Peyton Manning?

by mbedner on Feb 3, 2012 10:31 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

+1

man if Rex Grossman would’ve pulled off the SB win in ’07 then:

Grossman > Manning

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by Parks Smith on Feb 3, 2012 10:34 AM EST up reply actions  

Bradshaw

definitely carried the Steelers to those Championships.

by HogHunter on Feb 3, 2012 10:32 AM EST up reply actions  

With no supporting cast what so ever

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by Parks Smith on Feb 3, 2012 10:35 AM EST up reply actions  

haha

you know what they say QB’s win championships…no wait that’s wrong

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by Steve Shoup on Feb 3, 2012 12:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Once again... is Terry Bradshaw a better quarterback than Peyton Manning?

Is Roethlisberger better than Manning?

Is Plunkett better than Manning?

Griese?

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by Parks Smith on Feb 3, 2012 10:32 AM EST up reply actions  

If you have 1 ring

Then peyton has not shown much at all , if you win it once then your not in the same playing field as terry or joe or tom . The rings is what counts .

by washingtonwin on Feb 3, 2012 10:36 AM EST up reply actions  

So football isn't a team sport? And Dan Marino was a terrible quarterback?

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by Parks Smith on Feb 3, 2012 10:39 AM EST up reply actions  

Do you ever answer questions?

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by Parks Smith on Feb 3, 2012 10:44 AM EST up reply actions  

Absoutely not!

I’ve followed pro football since the early 50’s and Peyton is the best I’ve ever seen. The rest of the team is a result of management and coaches.

I'm not the Devil's Advocate but I consiider him a close friend

by Dipper on Feb 3, 2012 4:55 PM EST up reply actions  

I think the arguement can be made that Brady is better w/o bringing in SB rings

His numbers are close to Peyton’s and I believe Brady can/will surpassed Peyton in many of those categories. Either way, you’re still talking about two of the top 10 qb’s of all time.

HTTR!

by mkjo on Feb 3, 2012 11:17 AM EST up reply actions  

Career Stats

QB Rating: Manning-94.9 Brady-96.4
TD’s: M-399, B-300
INT’s: M-198, B-99
Comp %: M-64.9 B-63.8
Yrs: M-13, B 12

HTTR!

by mkjo on Feb 3, 2012 11:28 AM EST up reply actions  

actually, since Manning just lost a whole season...

he should be counted as 12 yrs…

Given that, consider -

399 > 300

But…

99 < 198

Coin flip…

by jgibbsfan1 on Feb 3, 2012 12:47 PM EST up reply actions  

well to that point

Brady played only 1 game in 2008 so Peyton still has 1 year more than him

by prc805 on Feb 3, 2012 12:50 PM EST up reply actions  

who knows...

Brady might play a year throwing for 99 TDs and 99 Ints, which would place them in a tie…

by jgibbsfan1 on Feb 3, 2012 12:57 PM EST up reply actions  

peyton's 13 year's does not include this year.

Brady’s 12 includes the two seasons he only played in one game, 2000 and 2008.

HTTR!

by mkjo on Feb 3, 2012 2:21 PM EST up reply actions  

another factor that usually gets overlooked is sacks

Manning has been sacked just 3.1% of his dropbacks, Brady 4.9%, while both are good numbers (Manning’s is the 2nd highest since sacks were recorded) and both have had good to great offensive lines in front of them (Brady has easily had better lines), that is a pretty significant difference.

Furthermore fumbles are another factor in Peyton’s favor. Brady has fumbled the ball 78 times in about 6,000 times touching the ball (5,600 dropbacks, nearly 400 rushes), Peyton has just 57 fumbles in about 7,800 touches (7,440 dropbacks, 350 rushes)

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by Steve Shoup on Feb 3, 2012 12:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Manning is well behind though

in pct% of passes completed while sleeping with a hot model

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by Redskin44 on Feb 3, 2012 1:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Ah, the famous "Completion of Passes leading to a Score" percentage.

The question is, how do you know?

I mean, didn’t Magic Johnson once boast that he’d been with over 10K?

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by BillWard on Feb 3, 2012 1:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Brady>Manning

Why can’t we sign Peyton and continue to rebuild the right way?? He would allow us to be competitive during the rebuild. Last time this post was up UK was saying if we sign Peyton than we have to get Saturday and Wayne with it so this post throws that out the window. So why can’t we do both??

by Chillz on Feb 3, 2012 10:33 AM EST reply actions  

That's how UK felt

This is how I feel. We aren’t all the same guy with different logons.

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by Ronnie Adkins on Feb 3, 2012 10:34 AM EST up reply actions  

Why can't we have our cake and eat it to?

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by Parks Smith on Feb 3, 2012 10:36 AM EST up reply actions  

This year highlighted that Manning has no intention of mentoring young QBs

I would gladly take him and draft Tannehill if he showed a willingness to help mentor him over the next few years.

by PJ_21 on Feb 3, 2012 11:09 AM EST up reply actions  

Tom brady going to his 5th super bowl

What has peyton manning done ? WOW 1 super bowl .

by washingtonwin on Feb 3, 2012 10:37 AM EST reply actions  

Take it easy

He hasn’t moved on from the alphabet.

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by Ronnie Adkins on Feb 3, 2012 10:39 AM EST up reply actions  

Because Tom Brady did everything

Tom Brady got injured and his team was still competitive. That means there is a lot of talent around him.

Peyton Manning went down and the Colts stunk. That means he makes him players better. Peyton > Brady any day, any time.

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by Ronnie Adkins on Feb 3, 2012 10:39 AM EST up reply actions  

The Pats were good b/c Matt Cassel

He left NE and led a lesser KC team to the playoffs as well. He threw 27 tds to 7 ints and made the Pro Bowl, so it’s not like Curtis Painter/Dan Orvlasky(who also was on the 0-16 team)/Kerry Collins led them to that record. If the Colts had anything resembling a decent Qb they they could’ve won more games. That argument is false.

by Chillz on Feb 3, 2012 10:43 AM EST up reply actions  

Peyton is a good QB

I will say that but as far as being better than tom brady your crazy . Tom brady has been to 5 super bowls in 10 years can peyton manning say that ?I think not , peyton manning was living off his dads name thats all .

by washingtonwin on Feb 3, 2012 10:40 AM EST reply actions  

I'm sure he has been to five, but I only know of him playing in two

He will have definitely been to four by the end of the week — I’m pretty certain he was there (or will be there) for BOTH of Eli’s Superbowls.

by mbedner on Feb 3, 2012 10:42 AM EST up reply actions  

How many Super Bowls would the Patriots have gone to by now with Peyton Manning?

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by Parks Smith on Feb 3, 2012 10:43 AM EST up reply actions  

So you don't have an answer to yet another question?

Have you ever even had an apple or an orange to eat? They are both delicious.

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by Parks Smith on Feb 3, 2012 10:51 AM EST up reply actions  

My point is

You will set this team back years if you brought in peyton manning . Sure waste 28 millions and sign him for a few years then watch him screw this team up and retire or get hurt before his contracts up

by washingtonwin on Feb 3, 2012 10:48 AM EST reply actions  

His contract doesn't transfer here buddy.

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by Parks Smith on Feb 3, 2012 10:52 AM EST up reply actions  

I thought it was to win a Super Bowl...

But by your standards Jim Kelly should be the greatest of all-time, right?

The key word here is team. If you want to argue the 2000s Pats are better than the 2000s Colts then you’re absolutely right. Or the 70s Steelers are better than the 2000s Colts, then right again! But we’re comparing individuals. An individual cannot win the Super Bowl by himself.

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by Parks Smith on Feb 3, 2012 10:56 AM EST up reply actions  

SUPER BOWL

HMMMMM tom brady 5 peyton how many ?

by washingtonwin on Feb 3, 2012 10:55 AM EST reply actions  

2. So once again Dan Marino is the worst quarterback in the history of the NFL, right?

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by Parks Smith on Feb 3, 2012 10:56 AM EST up reply actions  

So Grossman = Marino?

Answer my question please.

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by Parks Smith on Feb 3, 2012 11:02 AM EST up reply actions  

OK

Wheres all the peyton fans to argue their points again ?

by washingtonwin on Feb 3, 2012 10:57 AM EST reply actions  

This IS a Redskins Blog

Just making sure you’re aware.

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by Ronnie Adkins on Feb 3, 2012 11:01 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

No need to argue, you lose the argument talking to yourself.

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by Parks Smith on Feb 3, 2012 11:03 AM EST up reply actions  

This has to stop.

I can’t stress enough the fact that even I’d he’s healthy we won’t sign him.

I still stick by my guns that we trade up for RG3.

I see it as more cushion for the pushin'

by iH8dallas on Feb 3, 2012 11:00 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

Thank you

No peyton , we need to draft up and get RG3 period and not get peyton .

by washingtonwin on Feb 3, 2012 11:02 AM EST up reply actions  

Wait, RG3 doesn't have any rings...

Are you sure you want to do that?

by mbedner on Feb 3, 2012 11:03 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

DUH

Try rebuilding from the draft and maybe we could get another ring for this team .

by washingtonwin on Feb 3, 2012 11:04 AM EST up reply actions  

Trading 3-6 picks for 1 player

is rebuilding through the draft?

by HogHunter on Feb 3, 2012 11:05 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

It would cost

Way less signing RG3 at the rookie pay scale verses paying manning a shit load .

by washingtonwin on Feb 3, 2012 11:06 AM EST up reply actions  

RG3 at #2 is going to be $20+ mil in guaranteed money

Financials aren’t the question

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by Parks Smith on Feb 3, 2012 11:10 AM EST up reply actions  

It would probably more cost efficient to save the picks and sign manning

If you give away picks for RG3, you can’t draft as many cheap rookies. Therefore, you’d have to rely on high priced FA which might, in turn, cost more money…

by mbedner on Feb 3, 2012 11:10 AM EST up reply actions  

+1

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by Steve Shoup on Feb 3, 2012 12:30 PM EST up reply actions  

PARKS

Its all about the RING and even though marino might be good he never got a RING , so if you can not win it all then your not that good .

by washingtonwin on Feb 3, 2012 11:01 AM EST reply actions  

I wish you would end some of your posts with "GOSH!"

That would make it even more enjoyable to read your posts with Napoleon Dynamite’s voice.

by BurgundyEpidermis on Feb 3, 2012 7:40 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Washingtonwin

Be realistic now.. Jim McMahon is better than Dan Marino?? Trent Dilfer is better than Dan Marino?? But I’m with you on Brady better than Manning. Brady could be the best ever!

by Chillz on Feb 3, 2012 11:01 AM EST reply actions  

GOOD???

I have seen both Dan Marino and Tom Brady for their entire careers… and Dan Marino is a much better pure pocket passer, no contest

The world looks mighty different when you're peeking out your belly button

by Skins Fan '77 on Feb 3, 2012 11:09 AM EST up reply actions  

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The world looks mighty different when you're peeking out your belly button

by Skins Fan '77 on Feb 3, 2012 11:12 AM EST up reply actions  

Dan Fouts is a better QBn than McMahon and so is Warren Moon

A lot of QBs could have won a SB with that Bears defense.

SB wins is NOT a good measuring stick for how good a QB is, PERIOD.

by aFan4Life on Feb 3, 2012 11:14 AM EST up reply actions  

exactly

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by Steve Shoup on Feb 3, 2012 12:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Is it as hard as hitting the "reply" button?

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by Parks Smith on Feb 3, 2012 11:03 AM EST up reply actions  

+1

I love playing instigator

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by Ronnie Adkins on Feb 3, 2012 11:04 AM EST up reply actions  

What's in your bag?

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by Parks Smith on Feb 3, 2012 11:05 AM EST up reply actions  

Something in your bag would insult me?

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by Parks Smith on Feb 3, 2012 11:10 AM EST up reply actions  

Which one? W2W or Parks?

‘cuz they’re both moing toward that old “Never argue with…” saw.

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by BillWard on Feb 3, 2012 12:40 PM EST up reply actions  

+1

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by Parks Smith on Feb 3, 2012 12:43 PM EST up reply actions  

And which is the +1 for? Parks being an Ass?

I don’t see Donkey ears on you, Parks!

Personally, I would rate Peyton Manning as the greatest QB of all time. Brady is in the conversation, but he’s not even (quite) #2 as far as I’m concerned. He is top ten, without question, however. But folks are leaving out guys like Jonny Unitas, Bart Starr, Y.A. Tittle, Slingin Sammy Baugh, etc. These others (well, probably not Starr) also have some ability to claim “Greatest QB” as part of the title, and all are deserving of mention. We have been extremely lucky to have seen two of the all time greatest QBs playing simulateneously for this decade… that’s a rarity, and it’ll get rarer. Can’t we just agree that we have a 1a and 1b at this time?

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by BillWard on Feb 3, 2012 12:48 PM EST up reply actions  

+1 for everything Bill, I may be an ass but I'm generous with my plus ones.

Don’t you have an AARP meeting and the early bird special at Rudy’s to hit?

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by Parks Smith on Feb 3, 2012 12:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Actually, I was thinking of going to Mary's, to be honest.

Great local food, not as pricy as Rudy Inlet stuff. Mary’s is off Virginia Beach Blvd, about three blocks from the beach.

And no AARP meetings today, Matlock is on.

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by BillWard on Feb 3, 2012 1:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah so… back to the post, and Saturday

I think he is a bit too old to be worth bringing in and I agree with Ronnie about continuity.
The Redskins really need to think through their player acquisitions more effectively.
(I still think the culture of Dan Snyder is what is screwing up this franchise…)

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by Skins Fan '77 on Feb 3, 2012 11:06 AM EST reply actions  

The plusses and minuses of bringing in Manning (assuming he is healthy)

Plusses

• Redskins will have an elite QB for the next 2 to 5 years.
• Leadership for the young guys
• Allows Redskins to keep all draft picks
• Can focus on rebuilding OL, WR, DB, and ILB via the draft this year
• The skins may be able to be more strategic and opportunistic next year or the year after in drafting his replacement

Minuses
• Durability, can he keep playing at an elite level for at least 2 years. Can he remain healthy?
• Cost, cap implications?
• Will we need to bring in Saturday, Wayne etc? Is that a good or bad thing?
• Can he get along with Shanny & son?

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by Redskin44 on Feb 3, 2012 11:08 AM EST reply actions  

What I like about bringing in Manning

Is you aren’t mortgaging your future, you’re actually securing it. Yes, we might only get a few good years, but his play could keep the Redskins competitive while they finish rebuilding the rest of the team, to draft a franchise face down the road.

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by Ronnie Adkins on Feb 3, 2012 11:10 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Im agree with you more and more

What would be interesting to see is what would his contract look like. 5 yrs/$85 mil. More? how much guaranteed? Also, if he insists on bringing in Wayne and Saturday, what do their contracts look like?

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by Redskin44 on Feb 3, 2012 11:13 AM EST up reply actions  

By then you (theoretically) would have weapons

for him (a rookie in, say, 2015) to use. Established, experienced players for him to thrive on.

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by Ronnie Adkins on Feb 3, 2012 11:14 AM EST up reply actions  

Yep

Makes it very appealing. Rebuild the line this year, maybe add a WR and CB in the Draft as well. and he will get those young to play

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by Redskin44 on Feb 3, 2012 11:16 AM EST up reply actions  

Maybe not the second.

Cousins in the 3rd or 4th. Would be a possibility

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by Ronnie Adkins on Feb 3, 2012 11:19 AM EST up reply actions  

I really have my mind set on Tannehill.

I suspect he will be there in the early second round.

by mbedner on Feb 3, 2012 11:19 AM EST up reply actions  

I’m fine with that, but at least we dont have to be desperate. If there is a guy guy shanny like then fine, but we dont have to reach for a guy.

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by Redskin44 on Feb 3, 2012 11:19 AM EST up reply actions  

Redskin44 - good summary of the issues, the pros and cons

I know one fan, in an article citing examples, said Peyton is not a good mentor – does not help develop his backups. But I don’t know if that is true. Drafting Tannehill, Foles, etc would solve the durability problem (by having a good backup, increasingly ready to go the longer Peyton lasts). Keeping those draft picks is a big plus, the same plus as getting Flynn or some other veteran FA. I think it comes down to money – how much we want him.

by Donnio1234 on Feb 3, 2012 11:24 AM EST up reply actions  

I've heard that as well

but I would not really expect him to mentor. But that extra year or two would still allow a rookie to develop and not be forced into action. I dont know if Favre was the best mentor to Rodgers.

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by Redskin44 on Feb 3, 2012 11:27 AM EST up reply actions  

The more I think about it, the more I don't think Manning is a good fit

Even though part of me REALLY wants to see us get that kind of QB. But is he really healthy and if so how many more years does he really have in him? Maybe 3?

by aFan4Life on Feb 3, 2012 11:16 AM EST reply actions  

the "link" function is broken

if you click the button and input the URL nothing shows up. But if you simply copy/paste into the text box it appears just fine. :/

by TheDeepBall on Feb 3, 2012 9:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Basically

*Doctors have cleared him. Not the in-house one. I need to fix that. One of them DID do the last surgery

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by Ronnie Adkins on Feb 3, 2012 11:24 AM EST up reply actions  

Well here is the key

"One of ESPN’s sources was quoted as saying: “It’s not a safety issue; it’s a performance issue.”
He is physically cleared to play, but his arm strength is worse than Chad Pennington’s

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by Skins Fan '77 on Feb 3, 2012 11:28 AM EST up reply actions  

That is a frightening article

I believe that Peyton is getting bad advice and his desire/impatiens to play our leading him down a path away from recovering… that is NOT how to rehabilitate a damaged nerve

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by Skins Fan '77 on Feb 3, 2012 11:34 AM EST up reply actions  

I think this is

Irsay’s out to letting him go.

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by Redskin44 on Feb 3, 2012 11:24 AM EST up reply actions  

Yea I'd go by that 1:30 AM tweet from Jim Irsay

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by Parks Smith on Feb 3, 2012 11:46 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah I agree

And I doubt very much that he will obtain 95% this year

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by Skins Fan '77 on Feb 3, 2012 11:35 AM EST up reply actions  

Football fans can be complete retards when it comes to logically evaluating a situation.

Peyton WILL NOT play in the same division as his brother. He may not even want to be in there same conference.

He will play on a team with at least one top notch receiver and a shot at the Super Bowl. (i.e. Arizona or San Francisco)

So Redskin fans wet dreams are just that…fantasy land make believe. If you are Peyton Manning, are you coming to the Redskins to win your Super Bowl next year? Nope. Let’s not be Homer-Fanboys and use common sense.

Beside the fact that drooling over a 36 y/o QB who has a bad neck and will not be able to throw at full strength is dumb.

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by Copious 1 on Feb 3, 2012 11:52 AM EST via Android app reply actions  

Definitely

So could the Jets

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by Copious 1 on Feb 3, 2012 12:20 PM EST via Android app up reply actions  

agree

I don’t really see the Skins being an option unless every other team closes their doors to Peyton

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by Steve Shoup on Feb 3, 2012 12:35 PM EST up reply actions  

exactly

it’s not like he’s broke and needs a pay check. He’s going to want another SB ring and he’ll go to a team that gives him a good shot at that.

by aFan4Life on Feb 3, 2012 2:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Can we make washingtonwin an editor?

I think I know what’s in his bag…

There's always next year...

by The Shanaplan on Feb 3, 2012 12:00 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

sorry but

some of your logical reason don’t float

WILL NOT play in the same division as his brother…that is the silliest reason for him not to come here. That will not be an issue

Arizona has a shot at a Super Bowl? San Fran has good WRs? What makes you think San Fran wants him?

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by Redskin44 on Feb 3, 2012 12:03 PM EST reply actions  

I don't think that's silly at all and I tend to agree.
WILL NOT play in the same division as his brother…that is the silliest reason for him not to come here.

Many people have hinted at Peyton thinking this himself. Look at the Harbaugh family, Tom Creen (married to Harbaugh’s sister) said the family emotionally can’t take the two brothers coaching against each other and that it was a terrible night for the family. Different families has different dynamics, but I’d think Peyton doesn’t want to be close to Eli at all.

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by Parks Smith on Feb 3, 2012 12:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Answer me this.

Why would he play in the same division?

If Garcon can be a top option, is Crabtree not significantly more talented?

Didn’t San Fran just get a game away from there Super Bowl with a less talented a now free agent QB?

So why would a 5-11 team interest him more than a conference championship team?

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by Copious 1 on Feb 3, 2012 12:12 PM EST via Android app up reply actions  

Why would facing his brother 2x a year be such a huge issue? It might be a minus, but he is not going to base his decision on this…not even close

Crabtree has yet to prove himself to be an elite WR. Certainly not a situation Peyton says " I wanna play with that guy"

We don’t know if Harbough even want him in San Fran

I will agree that are current state as a team will have an impact on his decision. And more importantly, what Peyton an Archie think of Shanny . But if they believe the team is turning the corner and has some good young talent, then they may feel its the right fit.

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by Redskin44 on Feb 3, 2012 12:35 PM EST up reply actions  

I dont' know if he'll 'base his decision' on it

but i think it could be a significant factor. I basically think he’d choose just about any other team above the Skins. Not just the Eli factor, but also the chance to win.

The Skins are a team that is deeply rebuilding right now and they are in a pretty tough division. Yes only one team finished above .500, but who wants to bet against the Eagles next year, or think the Cowboys are really this bad. Going to a team in the AFC South, West or NFC West would be far more preferable, even if that team had a worst record than us. Peyton going to the Rams is better than the Skins, even though the Rams are less talented. St. Louis would then be in a position to trade both the RGIII pick and Bradford, plus they are in a weaker division.

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by Steve Shoup on Feb 3, 2012 12:40 PM EST up reply actions  

the chance to win

will be one the most important factor, followed by ability to play in the system he wants, and then by contract $ and structure…and we fail at the first two

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by Redskin44 on Feb 3, 2012 12:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Which is why I don't get ask off the Manning to the Redskins excitement.

Common sense says the Redskins would be at or near the bottom of his list. His decision will not be about money.

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by Copious 1 on Feb 3, 2012 1:05 PM EST via Android app up reply actions  

i’m just saying playing his brother 2x a year will not be a key factor, nor will the redskins lack of a clear #1 WR be a major factor, especially if we have the opportunity to add some weapons and protection for him via the draft and fa.

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by Redskin44 on Feb 3, 2012 1:12 PM EST up reply actions  

49ers want him because all they've got is Alex Smith

and Smith was horrible in the playoffs. he is a boat anchor for them. They can get a WR (or 2 or 3) in the draft.

by aFan4Life on Feb 3, 2012 2:27 PM EST up reply actions  

REally? Here are his stats from the playoffs.

Vs Saints 24/42 299yds 7.1Avg 3TD 0INts 103.2QB rating
Vs Giants 12/26 196 7.5 2 0 97.6

HTTR!

by mkjo on Feb 3, 2012 2:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Congrats Ronnie!

Not only are you at nearly 200 comments on a Jeff Saturday post, but this has been one of the most entertaining things I’ve ever read. At times it reads like a Mel Brooks movie.

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by Steve Shoup on Feb 3, 2012 12:44 PM EST reply actions  

Congrats Ronnie! What a milestone! Welcome to the club!

Kevin usually ships us a trophy in the mail for these kind of milestones, I’m sure you’ll be receiving it soon. Office desk or mantle is going to be your toughest decision though.

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by Parks Smith on Feb 3, 2012 12:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Hey y'all it's your country living rep. who is for an old rookie and db's that have tough names

Question, why do people think Rgiii will be a good QB in the NFL? Who is he going to be like Michael Vick? Look at their college numbers and ability numbers. Isn’t it going out on a limb picking up a QB like him who doesn’t match anyone who ever won a superbowl? When Vick came out it was talked about, not so much with Newton maybe times are changing and I didn’t notice. Funny how they changed without any S.B. victories.

About Manning, at 60% he’s probably better than most and we don’t really risk anything, no draft picks, at least that matter much. Let’s say next year with manning we pick 16 to 30 without we could pick at 5 to 15. I like to win but who really knows.

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by Sam Beckett on Feb 3, 2012 1:15 PM EST reply actions  

Does anyone know what this means?
Hey y’all it’s your country living rep. who is for an old rookie and db’s that have tough names

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by Parks Smith on Feb 3, 2012 1:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Just a joke

If it isn’t funny I have much better jokes in the bag.

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by Sam Beckett on Feb 3, 2012 1:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Now you have a bag too?

What is it with people and bags on this site?

by mbedner on Feb 3, 2012 1:41 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Guess it's better than a purse.

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by Sam Beckett on Feb 3, 2012 1:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Agree with the playing against his brother deal

pretty simple actually if you have younger brothers or a younger brother than you should understand and for those that don’t; brothers compete yes but not usually in public. There is no way he is going to come and play his bro twice a year. Also if the colts believe they can get healthy years out of him they would want to keep him I think.

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by Sam Beckett on Feb 3, 2012 1:34 PM EST reply actions  

I wonder why Eli refused San D.

Hmmm what does this mean? Guess San D. just sucks.

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by Sam Beckett on Feb 3, 2012 1:47 PM EST reply actions  

haha

talk to you guys later hope this helped.

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by Sam Beckett on Feb 3, 2012 1:48 PM EST reply actions  

Bring in Manning, Saturday, and Wayne...

Move Montgomery to Guard, Draft Blackmon, Draft a QB a round or so later in the draft…

by btdbomb63 on Feb 3, 2012 6:31 PM EST reply actions  

yes we have nothing to lose

sign him for 2 years draft clairborne with the 6th pick and grab nick foles in the seond round. we make the playoffs next year and foles learns from the master and becomes the next montana for us in 3 to 4 years its that simple or we can still have grossman or beck next year

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by lohaus#54 on Feb 4, 2012 12:51 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

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