Robert Griffin III Runs a 4.38 at the Combine
by Kevin Ewoldt on Feb 26, 2012 10:10 AM EST
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The Quarterbacks just finished running their 40 yard dashes, and Robert Griffin ran an impressive 4.38 after first posting a 4.41. On my interview post with Baylor RB, Terrance Ganaway, Ganaway mentioned the biggest part of his Senior Bowl experience was "Terminology. We call one play with one word and everyone knows what to do." I noticed several people comment that could be a red flag given it's a simple offense. Griffin answered these questions in his media interview:
I'd like to sit down with ‘em and show ‘em how simple it is. It's not a simple offense. It's a good offense. It's a really great offense and it's a quarterback-friendly offense. Simple would not be the word to describe it.
That something you're looking forward to in interviews when they ask you to draw up plays?
Yes, sir, because different concepts, people understand them differently. In the NFL they're run a little bit different. We ran a numbers-based and a concept system in college. I like getting on that board or showing them or watching the film with them so they can kind of understand what we're going through as an offense.
How will you fit into a West Coast offense?
West Coast offenses with Washington and Cleveland, highly concept-based, long verbiage in the plays. But other than that, once you get into a system it's easy to learn it. I'm not saying I'm going to open the playbook and know it immediately. Once you can get on the field and start going through the routes and the protections that you're going to have to run in those types of offenses, it comes to you a lot sooner.
In meetings with teams, what you have to convince them?
That our offense isn't simple, it's not the traditional spread where we're in shotgun all the time, although we are in shotgun a lot. So is Tom Brady and Eli Manning in the Super Bowl, but that's beside the point. Just that it's not a simple offense. I'm not going to try to make it seem difficult. But I'll explain it to them, whether it's protections, progressions and what I'm doing out there it's not as simple as everybody makes it seem.
Do you tthink you have to change your running game because of the size of defenders in the NFL to have durability?
I'm a quarterback so I've just got to throw the ball. The running is extra.
Is it going to be a big adjustment to go through multiple progressions in your offense?
No, it wouldn't. We usually had at least three options in our offense with a checkdown. Then the fourth or fifth option would be for me to make something happen. Sometimes it happens that way in games for quarterbacks. So it wouldn't be a huge leap. Plus I ran a pro-style offense in high school. Not that this is high school football, just sayin'.
Well, alrighty then. Here's video of the run:
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This will probably make people happy too.
I believe that’s QB coach Matt LaFleur.
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by Kevin Ewoldt on Feb 26, 2012 10:21 AM EST reply actions 2 recs
Who's he?
I'm worried about the beer supply. After this case, and the other case, there's only one case left- Barney Gumble
by CptChaosSidekick on Feb 26, 2012 10:23 AM EST via mobile up reply actions 2 recs
QB coach Matt LaFleur.
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by Parks Smith on Feb 26, 2012 10:34 AM EST up reply actions
Wasnt he a college QB not to long ago Cincinnati I believe.
by trueredskinm on Feb 26, 2012 10:35 AM EST up reply actions
Nope, he went to Saginaw Valley State
You’re likely thinking of Dan LeFevour who played for Central Michigan and is on the Jags
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by Parks Smith on Feb 26, 2012 10:52 AM EST up reply actions
your right
Thanks your right my bad.
by trueredskinm on Feb 26, 2012 11:17 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
This makes my insides smile
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by Ronnie Adkins on Feb 26, 2012 11:32 AM EST up reply actions
I just hope Cleveland is really concerned by this "red flag"
"Never argue with an idiot. They will bring you down to their level and beat you with experience." --Mark Twain
Hmmm
As I have always been, I’m sold on rg3 and would be very interested to see him with us and develop into a great qb. I don’t think Cleveland will spend it all to get rg3 since they have so many other needs. Colt will be given one more year than they will look to next year’s draft if colt doesn’t produce
Only if he ran for a living versus throwing for a living...
I saw this coming a mile away. I told everyone RG3 was going to light the combine up. Worst thing that could of ever happen for the Redskins. Now they have to pay the freight if they want to move up
Perhaps
http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Fisher-says-Rams-will-consider-Haynesworth-3699.html
Perhaps, as part of the trade, Shanny can give Fisher pointers on how to handle Fat Al. Or, even better, the blueprint to his conditioning test.
Where do they teach you to talk like this? In some Panama City "Sailor wanna hump-hump" bar, or is it getaway day and your last shot at his whiskey? Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.
haha. I was the one that asked Fisher about Haynesorth. I couldnt let that slide
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by Kevin Ewoldt on Feb 26, 2012 12:09 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
If the Skins give up four picks for this kid
great as he could be, that can’t make you all happy can it? The Skins are more than a rook QB away from contending.
Victor Cruz is the 2011 Ahmad Bradshaw. He giveth, and he taketh away. Thankfully he is giving much more now.
by bigbluethruandthru on Feb 26, 2012 12:38 PM EST reply actions
+1, ding ding ding you win
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by Parks Smith on Feb 26, 2012 12:40 PM EST up reply actions
Stupid Giants fans with their Super Bowl rings and logic...
Actually I completely agree with you.
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by TerpsAllTheWay on Feb 26, 2012 1:03 PM EST up reply actions
sadly, many on here are willing to give up even more than 4 picks
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by Jeff Bernard on Feb 26, 2012 1:27 PM EST up reply actions
Can I ask
why your sig appears to be a bunch of Big 12 QB’s? Are you trying to point out that Big 12 QB’s don’t have a track record of success?
Victor Cruz is the 2011 Ahmad Bradshaw. He giveth, and he taketh away. Thankfully he is giving much more now.
by bigbluethruandthru on Feb 26, 2012 5:37 PM EST up reply actions
isn't that obvious?
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by Jeff Bernard on Feb 26, 2012 7:40 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah
but I hate to assume things…
Victor Cruz is the 2011 Ahmad Bradshaw. He giveth, and he taketh away. Thankfully he is giving much more now.
by bigbluethruandthru on Feb 26, 2012 7:41 PM EST up reply actions
I just think the defense in that league is sooooo bad that any numbers have to be taken with a grain of salt.
Bradford 67.64 in the Big 12 drops to…57.6 in the NFL
McCoy 70.33 in the Big 12 drops to…58.4 in the NFL
Let us not forget that Sam Bradford was considered a can’t miss prospect by most scouts and GMs. The only questions about him were his shoulder injury. Colt McCoy was the 2nd(if i recall correctly) most accurate passer in Big 12 history, higher than RG3. Each of these two had at least a 10 point drop in completion percentage. Is all of a sudden RG3 going to break this trend. Do people really think he will be completing 65-70% of his passes in the NFL? I would stay away from Big 12 QBs and damn sure wouldn’t trade 5 draft picks for one.
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by Jeff Bernard on Feb 26, 2012 7:58 PM EST up reply actions
A grain of salt is one thing
You appear to be adding a pound of salt.
by SCSkin21 on Feb 26, 2012 9:06 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
No, his numbers in the Big 12 should be taken with a grain of salt
The fact that his numbers should be taken with a grain of salt should be taken with a pound of salt.
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by Jeff Bernard on Feb 27, 2012 9:56 AM EST up reply actions
while not 4 picks...
I think the same could be said for the giants when they traded for eli….
by ottie on Feb 26, 2012 1:50 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
giants could have drafted ryan leaf and still won the superbowl
thats how luck their last two superbowls were
Ha
whatever makes you feel better.
Victor Cruz is the 2011 Ahmad Bradshaw. He giveth, and he taketh away. Thankfully he is giving much more now.
by bigbluethruandthru on Feb 26, 2012 5:36 PM EST up reply actions
Whats up big blue
congrats to you guys on the SB win. How are things over in giants land?
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The combine and the FA talk isn’t resonating as much this year, probably because the last couple of years the Giants were out long beforehand. Had a lot more time for looking ahead. They’re going to lose some pieces in FA and through cuts. Manningham is pretty much out the door already, he’s replaceable but he’ll be missed. McKenzie and hopefully Diehl will soon follow him. Great warriors, but they were holding the offense back last year. I think RGIII is a good kid, and someone who will be easy to root for and build a franchise around, but the price to get him will keep the Skins down a couple more years.
Victor Cruz is the 2011 Ahmad Bradshaw. He giveth, and he taketh away. Thankfully he is giving much more now.
by bigbluethruandthru on Feb 26, 2012 7:40 PM EST up reply actions
Well spoken
Big blue, at the first meeting when the gmen faced the cow gals I was dancing on the table when jpp won it for you guys. Excellent SB and I’m jealous of your victor Cruz flower blooming. I do agree we won’t have instant results with rg3, but I’d put my faith in a dynamic rookie rather than grossman or orton, or wait for the future. With our cap space and draft/free agency possibilities are there to build a more competitive team
Yeah
Manningham will hurt a bit, but you have Cruz(who was a complete stud down the stretch). I was talking to my friend last week, who is a hugh Giants fan, and we were talking draft. I said I could see you guys go OT or LB in the draft. What are your thoughts?
As always, good to hear from you my man.
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I think Manningham is replaceable
he was very good at what he did, which was take advantage of one on one coverage as the 3rd wideout. But he ran some horrific routes, including one that led to an INT in the end zone against the Skins last year that killed the Giants’ last chance of making that game competitive. Anybody who doesn’t know how the Giants can replace him are forgetting that his rookie year he did absolutely jack squat, but was a contributor his 2nd year. Right now the Giants have Jerrell Jernigan, a 3rd round pick who did absolutely jack squat this year. I look for him to step up and do exactly what MM did.
As far as the draft, I would like to see an Olineman. Any position as long as they are a gamer who could play by the end of the year. Cordy Glenn is my dream with a possibility of happening (unlike say, Reilly Reiff who is never coming near the 32nd pick). TE would be a close 2nd if it was Fleener or Allen. LB 3rd unless a stud dropped (anybody but Burfict. Kid’s got some serious issues to sort out). Seeing Reece’s past history however, and knowing that Osi, Kiwi (and maybe Canty) only have one more year, and Bernard probably being gone, I would be utterly unsurprised if he picked up another athletic freak at the Dline like JPP or Linval Joseph. Someone with more upside than production who can sit for a year and then be a starter. If it’s someone like a Fletcher Cox, Dontari Poe, Vinny Curry, or Chandler Jones I would not be pissed.
Assuming you don’t trade the cow for Griffin’s magic beans, what are you looking for with your nice bundle of picks?
Two Super Bowls in five years. Apparently I root for the luckiest team in the history of professional sports. I'll take it.
by bigbluethruandthru on Feb 27, 2012 10:19 PM EST up reply actions
The Giants only gave up a 3rd, 1st and 5th for Eli
Now Eli played against semi-pro defenses in college, comes from an amazing QB family and has the prototypical QB frame. So the argument that the Giants traded up and so should we comes down to you assuming that RG3 goes on to be one of the top 5 QBs in the league and wins 2 SuperBowls. Are you willing to trade even more picks than the Giants did based on that assumption?
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by Jeff Bernard on Feb 26, 2012 2:00 PM EST up reply actions
Actually, the Giants gave up 4 picks.
They traded the 2004 1st (Phillip Rivers) and 3rd. The NYG 2005 1st and 5th also went to SD. That would be two 1st round picks, one 3rd,and one 5th for Eli. We need a franchise QB. If you watch RG3 play, there is VERY little to complain about. RG3 looks much better than Eli did coming out of college. There are no sure things, but you can wait 10 more years and not see a QB with Griffin’s potential.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1055158-looking-back-at-the-eli-manning-trade-8-years-later
The Giants gave up 4 picks for Eli Manning!
Where would they be today without him?
still pretty good with Phillip Rivers and 3 other players
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by Steve Shoup on Feb 26, 2012 11:33 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Wow
Very impressive. Like to see him throw now.
Can we officially put to rest the outrageous claim that he is as fast Michael Vick?
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by Jeff Bernard on Feb 26, 2012 1:35 PM EST up reply actions
He's close.
Unofficially ran a 4.38, Vick was 4.33
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by Copious 1 on Feb 26, 2012 2:16 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
RG3 has an official time of 4.41
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by Jeff Bernard on Feb 26, 2012 2:18 PM EST up reply actions
So you are of the impression that 8 tenths of s second is so far away that it is outrageous?
You didn’t run track did you?
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I never said it was "so far away". Are you of the impression that 4.33 is not faster than 4.41?
You didn’t study math did you?
Do you see what i did there?
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by Jeff Bernard on Feb 26, 2012 2:23 PM EST up reply actions
Your comment suggests that it is "so far away"
Can we officially put to rest the outrageous claim
The word outrageous means passing all reasonable bounds, meaning….far away.
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yes it is outrageous to claim a guy who is officially slower is faster or as fast
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by Jeff Bernard on Feb 26, 2012 2:32 PM EST up reply actions
So you think that the 40 times, that clock faster depending on the turf, the hand timing the run, and other factors...
Leaves so little margin for error that they are definitive iron clad times that leave no room for a variation that could suggest two guys with 8 tenths of a second difference can be no closer to each other in time than is measured? Don’t reply
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Also 40 times are only helpful to a certain degree.
For a QB you are not running 40 yards in a straight line very often. The most important part is your 0 to 5 yard time. I don’t have their splits to compare but just watching RG3 visually he looks “slow” out of the gate and picks up steam after about 10-15 yards. Vick from 0 to 5 yards is amazing. I would guess(and this is only a guess because i don’t have the times) that Vick was faster in the first 15 yards and RG3 was faster in the last 15 yards.
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by Jeff Bernard on Feb 26, 2012 2:22 PM EST up reply actions
if they "are only helpful to a certain degree"...
why keep posting his “Official” time, like you need to keep reminding us he is .03 seconds slower…
We all know what you are trying to do, which only discredits you more…
by jgibbsfan1 on Feb 26, 2012 2:24 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
4.41-4.33=.08
There is a calculator on most computers.
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by Jeff Bernard on Feb 26, 2012 2:25 PM EST up reply actions
hey genius...
I was referring to the .03 seconds difference between RG3s official time of 4.41 and his unofficial 4.38
4,41 – 4.38 = .03 second Math magician
I was comparing him and Vick. Why the hell do i care about the difference in RG3's official and unofficial time?
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by Jeff Bernard on Feb 26, 2012 2:31 PM EST up reply actions
the only reason ANYONE is talking about his 40 time...
is because you made it an issue, in your desperate attempt to besmirch his talents, in your sick, depraved attempt to discourage us who would be thrilled to have him on our team.
by jgibbsfan1 on Feb 26, 2012 2:39 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Dammit Cerrato is that you?
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by Jeff Bernard on Feb 26, 2012 2:40 PM EST up reply actions
+1 Jeff, with all due respect your getting killed.
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by BSNUFFER10 on Feb 26, 2012 2:30 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
haha, nice perspective. I have the exact opposite one.
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by Jeff Bernard on Feb 26, 2012 2:31 PM EST up reply actions
ditto
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by Jeff Bernard on Feb 26, 2012 2:32 PM EST up reply actions
Vick is faster. Griffin is a better passer.
Since both play QB, I would go with the vastly better passer.
Actually, no
Not “officially”…
While I do believe Vick is faster (not that I care, still think Griffin is the better QB prospect), it’s not really a fair comparison. Griffin was the second fastest QB EVER at the combine. Vick didn’t run at the combine. He chose to run on familiar turf. There is still a chance that Griffin clocks a lower time at his pro day, on his campus. Like Vick did.
Where do they teach you to talk like this? In some Panama City "Sailor wanna hump-hump" bar, or is it getaway day and your last shot at his whiskey? Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.
I would like you all to clarify something for me.
Over the years I have seen the redskins go through multiple drafts where they obtain one mediocre starter at best (the past 2 drafts remain to be seen ). let’s take 2009. We drafted orakpo, barnes, Cody Glenn, Robert Henson, Eddie Williams, and marko Mitchell. Back in 2008, with 10 picks, arguably only Fred Davis and Justin tryon became decent picks. In 2007, with 5 picks, only Landry turned out to be a decent player. I could go on an on but that would be redundant. Now I understand we have shanny and Allen and just a new culture overall in Washington, but the chances of having another botched draft are still there. After watching the colts this past season, we learned what a great quarterback means to a team. Peyton is the difference between Indy having a 10+ win season or the 2 win season they had. Now whenever a great quarterback prospect comes along, you all are reluctant to trade the farm for him.
by Bdam on Feb 26, 2012 1:43 PM EST via mobile reply actions
You lost me at the end.
The whole time I thought you were arguing that we couldn’t trade our entire draft for just one player, because we only got one player out of all of these previous drafts and it made us a horrible team.
haha. the ole' argument that disproves your conclusion. Not the most effective way to prove one's point.
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by Jeff Bernard on Feb 26, 2012 2:03 PM EST up reply actions
huh?
Now I understand we have shanny and Allen and just a new culture overall in Washington, but the chances of having another botched draft are still there.
You do know that mathematically speaking the odds of botching 1 pick(RG3) are exponentially greater than botching an entire draft. Also including our draft picks from arguably the worst GM in the history of the league has ZERO bearing on the current front office.
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Matt Millen was much worse
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Dominating your opposition physically is great and all, but confounding them mentally is sooo much more fun.
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what i was trying to say was we have had so many drafts where only one or two players have panned out. meanwhile, over in indy, and basically everywhere else in the NFL, one great quarterback makes the difference between winning and losing. now im not saying RG3 is going to be the next peyton manning. what i am saying is the rewards far outweigh the risk.
i agree bdam
we at least have to make a push for him. if we get out beat then oh well. but we have to at least try.
I agree Bdam..Anytime you have a 6’2", 223llb, Rocket Arm, Pin Point Accuracy, completed over 70% of his passes, 4.3 40yd dash, veritcle of 39" and I could go on and on. Didn’t he break the NCAA record for most efficent QB ever!?! We’ve been horrible for 2 decades. Mostly in part bc we haven’t had THAT GUY leading our team. How can you make the case we don’t go all in and get him!?! I just don’t get the logic.
We aren’t that bad now just horrific QB play.. We’ve got 40+ million in cap space to address most if not all of our needs in FA.
Hell the Giants had holes as well. But they had a great QB and I might add they traded up for him. We’ll always have holes. When you have this kind of prospect I beleive you go after him. We are in prime position. Shut up and make it happen. Just my 2 cents
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+1
Time to take a risk and go all in for me too. Give us something to get excited about, and then look to fix holes next season once we’ve secured ourselves a chance of being decent.
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by SpursandSkins on Feb 26, 2012 2:05 PM EST up reply actions
4.41 40 time actually. Also lets not forget Colt McCoy has a higher college completion percentage than RG3.
It is the Big 12. You have to take those numbers with a grain of salt
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by Jeff Bernard on Feb 26, 2012 2:07 PM EST up reply actions
Your Colt McCoy argument is a little off
There is a BIG difference in the offense Colt ran than the one RG3 ran. Almost 80% of Colt’s passes were 10 yds or shorter and he had a better group of recievers to throw to. He rarely threw downfield. That’s why his completion % is higher. RG3 threw the ball all over the field and still completed 72% of his passes.
I don't get why everyone tries to make RG3 such a polarizing argument
EVERYONE loves RG3 and think he’s a great prospect, just everyone does not agree on the right way to obtain his services
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by Parks Smith on Feb 26, 2012 2:07 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
+1. Even i think he is a great prospect.
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by Jeff Bernard on Feb 26, 2012 2:07 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t get you bud. Trade the picks and get him. Its not the end of the world. He’s worth it.
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by BSNUFFER10 on Feb 26, 2012 2:08 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
If that's the case why not give away even more for Luck?
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You don't think they'd listen to offers?
Knowing full well that it appears there are two QBs that teams are salivating over and Manning appears to be improving in his rehab?
by TerroristFistJab on Feb 26, 2012 11:57 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Can't keep Manning.
They can’t afford the $28 million roster bonus, and it’s purely insulting to ask him to renegotiate that contract with them.
When a player suffers a career-threatening injury...
he’s not in the position to dictate terms. His best chance of succeeding post-injury is in IND, with the team he’s won with, even if there is to be new coaching. I think he’d prefer to stay there for less money than go someplace new.
by TerroristFistJab on Feb 27, 2012 12:23 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, but he built that place.
That stadium is there because of him. They hosted the Super Bowl in that nice new stadium because of him. Manning built that franchise as it is now. You don’t ask a guy to take a pay cut after he’s done that. You either thank him for his service and let him go, or you pay him what’s owed to him.
that's simple, the colts pick isn't for sale and bc I prefer RG3 over Luck. thanks for playing!
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by BSNUFFER10 on Feb 26, 2012 4:59 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Thought your name was BSNIFFER10 for a second
cause you must be sniffing glue to prefer Griffin to Luck. There’s no comparison between the two as far as NFL prospects go.
by tuckwell on Feb 26, 2012 11:46 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
IDK Tuck
that may be unfair to say. Each has his own unique skill set. I really don’t see either being that far away from one another in terms of skill.
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It's a wide gulf between them.
Griffin is going to be behind the eight ball on reading defenses and understanding the verbiage and concepts of a pro system, especially one as complex as the Shanahans’. Luck will be far more prepared for that sort of thing, and thus can skip ahead to learning the finer and more esoteric points of quarterbacking in the NFL. They might end up at the same level, or Griffin might end up passing Luck on the way, but as it stands, Luck is far more polished, more ready to go on day one, and looks to have no ceiling at all to his potential.
he is worth it? How do you know?
history would disagree with you
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In the past 7 years or so, there have been more successes in 1st round top 10 QB's than busts.
It’s probably like 60% success, 40% bust.
But since everyone likes to point our the “busts” in the first round, there have been MORE busts in in the rounds 2-7.
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by Copious 1 on Feb 26, 2012 5:52 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Who has busted out?
I can’t think today….
well its all a matter of the starting point
if you use 2004 on the numbers are obviously better since that year had 3 (manning, Rivers, Big Ben) great QB’s and only 1 bust (Losman)
2005: Great: Rodgers, Above average: Campbell, below average: Alex Smith (this was downright bust before this year, you can’t erase 6 years of being awful)
2006. Good: Cutler, below average: Young, bust: Lienart
2007: below average: Quinn, bust: Russell
2008: Good: Ryan, Flacco (Good might be strong)
2009: Good: Matt Stafford, above Average: Freeman, bust: Sanchez
2010 and 2011 are probably too soon to tell, but between the 6 QB’s there are a few with the potential to be great, but most like like average or worse QB’s.
So yes some of the good and above average guys are ‘successes’ they aren’t the franchise QB’s that people thought they’d be, which makes be question trading up. Even if RGIII is like Matt Ryan that isn’t enough to warrant trading up.
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here have been MORE busts in in the rounds 2-7.
Well each year there are 32 players selected in the 1st round and 192 players selected in rounds 2-7. So i think it is pretty obvious that there would be more bust in a larger sample size.
Brad Smith, Eric Couch, Josh Freeman, Jason White, Vince Young, Sam Bradford, Colt McCoy, Sage Rosenfels, Seneca Wallace, Chris Simms, Koy Detmer, Stephen McGee, Scott Frost, Michael Bishop, Reggie McNeal, Josh Heupel
by Jeff Bernard on Feb 26, 2012 7:43 PM EST up reply actions
Here’s the thing though you clearly do vary on his value. People were saying Tannehill has more upside than RG3 the other day (which is crazy because his arm is not nearly as good). Have also seen plenty of people from this group saying Barkley will be just as good next year. Barkley and Tannehill are clearly one rung lower than RG3 to me so there is indeed variation on his prospect level too.
I think the bigger story from yesterday was Luck's athleticism
We all knew RGIII was gonna be ridiculously athletic he’s a freakin’ track star.
But I was really impressed and surprised with Luck’s stats.
Bingo, I don't get why yesterday "swayed" people that RG3 is worth trading up?
What did we learn yesterday that we didn’t already know? RG3 is very fast… you didn’t know that before yesterday?
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Tell me THAT’S not worth at least two picks.
Where do they teach you to talk like this? In some Panama City "Sailor wanna hump-hump" bar, or is it getaway day and your last shot at his whiskey? Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.
I think that some of the "trade down" group is getting nervous...
we just need to worry about Cleveland. IF they decide not to push in and trade up, he will bear the torch for this storied organization…
I think there’s a chance someone lower down, like Seattle, just throw the kitchen sink at the Rams to get 2nd pick and ergo RG3. But Cleveland in the strongest position at the moment obviously, and Shanny is too measured to trade up for anything other than the best deal he can get / think RG3 is worth.
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by SpursandSkins on Feb 26, 2012 2:15 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
there is always a chance...
some lower team may attempt to jump up, but I am not worried about any of them, given the available FAs, next years prospects and the increased costs.
JUST CLEVELAND…
Trade down group should be more nervous about the possibility that there won’t be anyone other teams want to move up for at 6. Looking to me like Washington will be stuck at 6 if they can’t move up to get RG3.
When was I saying RG3 is the only player in the draft? I’m saying that the talent level available at 6 likely isn’t going to excite other teams into wanting to trade up.
Well convince me. Most people agree there is a different plateau of talent after the first 5 picks or so. What talent is going to be available that a team is going to want to trade up for? If Tannehill gets traded up for it will likely be at 3 to bypass the Skins. Doubts about Blackmon continue to swirl after his extremely disappointing combine.
I realize it only takes one team to fall in love with a guy and I’m not saying its impossible. I just don’t see it as likely at this point that someone will want to trade up to 6.
just b/c there is a different talent plateau after the first 5 picks doesn't mean there won't be teams interested in moving up
also my guess is you are assuming someone like Blackmon or Richardson is in that top 5 group, which in reality they probably aren’t. So both those guys are possibilities, Riley Reiff should generate a big market. David DeCastro is arguably the 3rd or 4th best player in this draft, some team that is desperate at guard could look to move up. Luke Kuechly is another immense talent that teams in need of an ILB/MLB will be clamoring for. Finally a guy like Michael Brockers could really sky rocket up some draft boards and you could have some teams clamoring for.
Look at last year Julio Jones was maybe a top 10 player (and that I think is a stretch), but the Falcons knew they had zero shot at him, so they had to make a big jump up.
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Reiff is sliding down some draft boards with some teams projecting him at G. Far more likely he slides into the teens or later than someone trading up to get him. Teams aren’t going to trade up into the top ten for a interior lineman no matter how talented.
Kuechly is legit possibility especially with the dearth of MLB/ILB available this year, but its not very likely. Its not about whether its possible its about whether its likely. Julio Jones situation is the exception not the common occurrence.
who the hell is projecting him to guard? or has him sliding down draft boards?
he’s the 2nd most talented OT to come out since Jake Long in 2008, and the only reason he’s not the best since Long is b/c of Kalil.
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haha, I haven't seen anyone project him to guard
Maybe Jim is confused between him and Cordy Glenn.
As for sliding, Mayock had him drop a bit(not much though).
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i would think the trade up group would be nervous consider the following
The Browns coach said they have no problem packaging those picks together to move up for the right guy.
All the analysts on the telecast these last two days have shown that they believe Cleveland is the most likely destination.
The price tag keeps rising, and already looks well beyond what most people would be willing to sacrifice.
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If the analysts are saying it's going to happen
it gives me even more confidence that the Browns won’t make this trade
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by Tiller56 on Feb 26, 2012 5:32 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
It has to be beyond what the Redskins organization is willing to sacrifice.
Remember….we the fans opinions doesn’t get factored into those decisions.
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yes but I would hope the organization would balk at 5-6 high picks these next 2 years
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I would hope they wouldn't if they have a plan they after confident in.
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by Copious 1 on Feb 26, 2012 9:00 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
I just can't buy the idea of 'having a plan they are confident in'
outside of having a delorean and knowing if Griffin will be elite or not and what late round picks will turn out to be studs, confidence isn’t enough. I mean the team had all the confidence in the world in their McNabb plan, and that was trading for a proven commodity at a far reduced compensation rate.
yes RGIII projects to be McNabb in his prime (if not better) not McNabb in his 30’s, but we aren’t talking about just a 2nd and 4th rounder here either.If the price is 5 or 6 picks the majority of which are 1st, 2nd and 3rd rounders you have got to have confidence in another plan, b/c other wise you need everything in the world to go right for that to work out.
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I'm more confident in Shanahan & Allen's plan than your anxiety.
They were confident in the McNabb plan, but it doesn’t pan out. Their draft plan was on point. What they did with Rex at there helm was good stuff. The roster now vs. when they took over is night and day. Whatever their plan, with more than 40+ years of experience is far better than your thoughts or feelings, whether they go RGIII or not.
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by Copious 1 on Feb 26, 2012 10:37 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
what?
so 40 years of experience which as of yet has led to just 11 wins in two seasons and a number of major mistakes is a good thing?
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by Steve Shoup on Feb 26, 2012 11:34 PM EST up reply actions
How many do you have?
It may be more of a testament to how terrible this roster wad prior to there new regimes arrival.
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by Copious 1 on Feb 26, 2012 11:42 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
come on that is a cop out
they had zero salary cap that first year, and they had a number of talented players but they wasted them by changing the system. I’m fine with a system change, but then you should you know trade the guys who don’t fit, or at least cut them in the year where there is no cap. We had like $12-15 million in dead cap this past season, that could have been used on another good starter or two.
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Sure
But you could point out those missteps for any team in the league.
Haynesworth was a troll and has been cut by two other teams. He “loved” New England and wanted “prove” himself in Tampa. He is and was an uncurable virus. You can’t put that on Shanahan. Now one thought the McNabb deal was a bad one, but his work ethic was a major issue. Let’s not forget he had 22 TD’s and 3K yard just the year before he joined.The Redskins team is much impoved because of his plan. As he admitted, the roster was much worse than he thought when he took the job.
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Has anyone considered whether Shanny's ego will let him trade the farm for a QB?
Isn’t it always more about Shanny’s system than the QB? If he has to pay a huge premium to get a certain player to win, then it’s less about his genius than it is about just an amazing player.
This is why I think Shanahan won’t give St. Louis a king’s ransom for RG3.
I don't think it has anything to do with Shanny's ego...
as much as some of the writers on this blog.
Everyone knows that RG3 is worth it, scouts, FO executives, coaching staffs, everyone. Some, on this site are too stubborn to give. We shall find out eventually if Shanny is or not….
What is the "it" you keep referring to?
Picks? How many? What rounds? What years? Are there players currently on roster involved?
Offer up a proposed trade you think is sufficient to acquire RGIII and then we can talk about things.
by TerroristFistJab on Feb 27, 2012 12:01 AM EST up reply actions
where have you been?
this topic has been ONLY topic being discussed for the last month. We have gone round and round, debating what it will cost. As many different ideas as there are, is how many potential offers will be discussed by the appropriate team’s FOs.
BTW, nice name. Where did that come from?
Well you still haven't assigned a value...
and until people here start getting specific with proposals I find it hard to determine how much thought people are putting into their “trade up now” arguments.
As to the name – Google.
by TerroristFistJab on Feb 27, 2012 8:13 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I did a post on this a few weeks back
http://www.hogshaven.com/2012/2/10/2789702/wheres-your-cut-off
Seems that most people are willing to part with atleast a 1st and 3rd this year and next years 1st. While about 1/3rd of the people are willing to part with a 1st and 2nd this year a 1st next year and a conditional 2nd.
I’m part of the 1/3rd. Thats just where I stand, I think he’s a special talent of course anyone can bust in this league but I’d take the risk if I were in Shanahans shoes.
The actual cost is still unknown...
FA will answer some of the questions, taking out some teams, narrowing the teams, making the final cost undetermined. Right now, the hype is high, but wait and see where Manning ends up, where Flynn ends up, perhaps Kolb…
which is why the Rams might set a deadline to trade for the pick before free agency starts
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they might think that that controls things...
but I doubt teams will allow them to control the entire event. It makes sense from Rams perspective, I understand why they NEED to set a deadline, but what if no team abides by those terms and gambles that that pick is still available in April? They will still want to trade the pick, but they may lose some leverage, which they are trying desperately to keep…
Shanny traded up for Cutler.
This was after he was not pleased with Plummer’s play. Histroy shows Shanahan will trade up if he needs a QB and likes a specific player.
Yeah, he traded up to 11
for the 15th and 68th overall picks. This is a bit different than trading multiple picks in the first three rounds over two drafts.
Of course it is a different situation, but he gave up 2 high picks for the #11.
How much would he be willing to give for the #2? 3 picks? 4 picks? It is not that completely different.
“Isn’t it always more about Shanny’s system than the QB?”
I think the fact he traded up for a specific QB proves that Shanny does not believe your statement.
but he also had extra draft picks, and his team was a playoff caliber team already
Cutler also had the ability to develop behind Plummer
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by Steve Shoup on Feb 26, 2012 11:35 PM EST up reply actions
This
but he also had extra draft picks, and his team was a playoff caliber team already
by StephanHart on Feb 27, 2012 10:57 AM EST up reply actions
Any team can be a playoff team today
look at the Bengals and broncos for prrof of that. Two terrible teams the year before who became playoff teams because of 1 or 2 players.
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A lot
Of information will be gained when free agency hits. It will make me breath easier if the browns do drop peyton Hillis, but until than we might as well wait and see what happens once FA starts. Geeze I’m excited for this offseason
Ah just set back and watch .
Ol shanny in allen will draft RG3 and everyone will be very pleased with the choice he made and when all is said in done we will have one of the greatest QBS for the next 15 years and the winning begins .
+1 for optimism
Even if it’s pure speculation.
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Providing we get him.
It will be the best thing this team has ever done in a long while , this is one of the major big pieces that we really need to get . Not saying we dont need other people on the offense , but i think between the FAs and the draft we will come out smelling like a rose and we will win over 10 games this year providing we get RG3 .
by washingtonwin on Feb 26, 2012 2:48 PM EST up reply actions
OMG
THEYRE THE SAME GUY
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hey diesel
what route do you want us to go QB wise and what prospects this year do you think stand out that would be a great fit on this team?
Thanks for the kind words the other day.
QB route: Trade up for RG3 and if we get outbid by the Browns then take Weeden in the 2nd. I like Tannehill (even though he has the smallest hands in the draft) but the 6th is way too early and he won’t be there in the 2nd.
Looking at our needs, some prospects slightly under the radar
WR- Stephen Hill, Tommy Streeter, Joe Adams, Chris Owusu
OT- Zebrie Sanders, Nate Potter, Cordy Glenn, Kelechi Osemele
OG- James Brown, Kevin Zeitler, Luke Nix
ILB- Dont’a Hightower, Mychal Kendricks, James-Michael Johnson
CB- Jayron Hosely, Stephon Gillmore, Josh Norman
S- George IIkoa, Harrison Smith, Janzeen Jackson
@Callahan_9 on the twitter machine.
Tannehill
Is starting to get mentioned at six.
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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Feb 26, 2012 7:20 PM EST up reply actions
Yes, but it's by draftniks like walterfootball that have no clue.
@Callahan_9 on the twitter machine.
Gil Brandt at NFL.com has him as the 6th prospect on his board
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Gil Brandt is senile.
I’d put him in the 25-30 range on my big board.
@Callahan_9 on the twitter machine.
he's also the godfather of the combine
I think he’s about 15-20 right now, but I can’t put Tannehill higher with missing the Senior Bowl and Combine.
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also an ex Cowboy
I use to listen to him all the time on NFL radio. He actually thinks he’s Tannehill’s biological father.
@Callahan_9 on the twitter machine.
haha
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All the time?
Does that mean the entire show, or even most of it? I used to listen to NFLradio when I had Sirius, and I agree Brandt knows his stuff. But he was painful to listen to. He would sputter, trip on his words, and always tell some rudimentary tale about a player that has nothing to do with whatever the current topic was.
Where do they teach you to talk like this? In some Panama City "Sailor wanna hump-hump" bar, or is it getaway day and your last shot at his whiskey? Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.
i'm confused, what are you asking?
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Haha. Sorry
Im just curious if, when the show comes on, you are able to sit through the entire thing. Or at least even an hour of it. I would always turn it on, but I could usually only sit through maybe a segment.
Where do they teach you to talk like this? In some Panama City "Sailor wanna hump-hump" bar, or is it getaway day and your last shot at his whiskey? Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.
One or two very knowledgeable local writers (I think Keim was one) mentioned
that Tannehill could go at 6. Not so much because he’s worth it, but because they want him, and they think he will get taken at 15 -20 (presumably before we could get him if we traded down). So if they want him and only him (as against Weeden or Foles), they have to use the #6 pick. Simple. Do what it takes. I would hope that Shanahan likes Weeden and Foles enough that he would be cool and wait for the second round (or to whereever he traded down to). This, of course, assumes that RG3 is gone before 6. There’s not much doubt that Shanahan would take RG3 if he was still there at 6.
in Shanny's interview
He pointed out the three main spots you need to win a superbowl are a starting LT, you got to have a pass rush, and you have to have a FRANCHISE qb.
you mean 1
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No I think he means 2..
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by SpartanFS47 on Feb 26, 2012 5:38 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
having two pass rushers doesn't equal filling two of those needs
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by Steve Shoup on Feb 26, 2012 7:08 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I think Coefield and Bowen
Even Carriker too, proved they can be good pass rushers.
We finished tied for 10th in the league in sacks. I think that qualifies us to say we have a pass rush.
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i'm not talking about that
my point is we don’t have the LT or QB. We hope and pray Trent is the LT, but that is far from certain. And in reality it’s not having a LT, it’s similar to pass rush (b/c basically you are stopping their pass rush) its having an O-line to protect said franchise QB which we don’t have.
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Come on man
you can’t say we don’t have a LT, just because your disappointed in TW.
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man this is some heavy sh*t
http://blog.redskins.com/2012/02/24/a-near-death-experience-inspires-fletcher/
I didn’t know all this about Fletcher’s past
As for me, all I know is that I know nothing.
*Socrates*
Being in the Cleveland area, it seems that the majority of Browns fans I’ve talked to would rather keep their 2nd 1st rounder rather than move up. Of course that’s just water cooler stuff, I don’t know how “Dawgs by Nature” reads, but I’ve heard most of my friends/others say if he falls to 4, take him, otherwise go Blackmon.
I’m personally on board, I’ve waned back and forth, now I’m determined to go get him.
http://missourisportsmag.com/?p=53651
1st, 2nd, 3rd, & 1st??
That is interesting
don’t know if that would be enough
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If that's not enough.
Jeff Fisher can give himself a mustache ride.
And any article with Howard Eskin as a source is a joke.
Ok ,Ok,Ok
HERE IS MY PREDICTION…There will be a three way Trade…The Redskins Will Trade up to 3 With Minnesota(cost effective) Give up this year first and second and then The Rams Will Trade Down with the Skins to move down one spot @ 3 (and we move up to 2)for a single pick from the skins If The Rams Really Like Blackmon
by Jiza32 on Feb 26, 2012 8:24 PM EST via mobile reply actions
yeah that doesn't work
Rams might really want Blackmon/Kalil, but if that is the case they will take the blockbuster from Cleveland instead of the single pick from the Skins.
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Blackmon
Might not be there @ 4 IF MINNESOTA LIKES HIM OR THEY TRADE The pick away to someone who likes him alot
by Jiza32 on Feb 26, 2012 9:03 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Blackmon might fall out of the top 10.
He’s only 6’ and has an average skill set. Great production but he plays in the Big 12.
@Callahan_9 on the twitter machine.
Has anyone thought
if cleveland would go for tannehill in the 2nd? I really think we could get RG3. we were 5-11 with the 4th worst qb in history imagine what we could do with rg3
I know it was talked about
I read somewhere that Danny was just going to buy the pick from St. Louis. They need a lot of work to be done on thier stadium. What if Danny could write a check to St. Louis for 300 million dollars and just buy number 2 from them?
I know they were investigating if the league would allow it.
Ok, forgive me, but what is with the official/unoffical times from the Combine?
In any other competition I’ve seen, they take your fastest recorded time. But here, they take your slowest time? Why is the Combine hosted in the Negaverse?
NFL network times it which is the unofficial time
and the actual combine times it—that is the real time,which no one knows— so whatever the combine time is the real time they took his fastest time based on their numbers. Not on NFL networks unofficial time
by skins92 on Feb 27, 2012 10:57 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
Does Shanny alter the offense for
RG3, QB option reads, more shotgun/spread? Should he? When you have a QB with this type of speed and arm strength and you trade the lot to go up and get him do you not cater the offense to him and center it around him in the future?
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