Redskins Reportedly Hold Informal Talks With the Rams About 2nd Overall Pick
by UkRedskin on Feb 24, 2012 11:57 PM EST
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PrintSports Illustrated's Tony Pauline tweeted that he's hearing the Rams are doing everything possible to move the pick and held informal talks with the Redskins today.
Hearing St Louis Rams had informal talks w/ Redskins today about 2nd pick. Doing everything possible to move the pick: tfydraft.com
— TonyPauline (@TonyPauline) February 25, 2012
The Redskins would select whichever quarterback the Colts passed on with the first overall pick, which would likely see Robert Griffin III land in the nations capital.
Robert Griffin III by all accounts has already had a great combine and he's yet to take the field. To start the day, Griffin III measured in at 6'2" 3/8, 223 lbs which squashes the belief that he could be too small to play quarterback in the NFL. Then he took to the podium and dazzled the media at his press conference, during which he said he'd be meeting with the Redskins on Saturday.
We'll be back tomorrow for more on the Combine (and some actual quotes from Griffin III). We've got Kevin killing it out in Indy for us so check back for more stories as they happen.
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People have said it already but i dont know if Holmgren is as desperate as everyone thinks.
Playin Basketball year-round once my knee is all good
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by SpartanFS47 on Feb 25, 2012 12:07 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
and the Redskins could draft 2 this year and 2 next year
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by Steve Shoup on Feb 25, 2012 12:28 PM EST up reply actions
I don't think Holmgren is willing to move up
and if he is, he may not offer as much as the Rams are looking for. I don’t think a trade up with Cleveland happens.
They need lots of help, and the 2 first rounders can go a long way in setting this team up for the future. Since Holmgren’s past shows he values veteran QB’s, I don’t think he sells out for RG3. I can see him being interested in a quality vet to provide competition, and puch McCoy a bit, but honestly, I think he likes Colt, and give him at least another year, with some weapons around him. If he fails in 2012, maybe they look to a deep class in 2013.
R.I.P JVP 1926-2012
in Cleveland
they are asking him to go for Flynn….I was listening to the number one drive time show ..the host Mike Trivisonno…was all in on Flynn…his audience too…nobody stated a case for Griffin…the entire time I was listening…he also broke a story on Cleveland’s GM Tom Heckert missing the Combine because he had undergone a “serious undisclosed operation”
I think Heckert is just a "stuffed shirt"
I’m sure Holmgren is there, and his decision is the one that counts.
In all honesty, I see Flynn in Miami. Makes sense, as he knows that offense already, and the Fins have already said Henne isn’t coming back. I can see a vet being brought in to challenge McCoy, but I believe when all is said and done, Colt is the guy for at least one more season.
I think the Browns make very good use of this draft, maybe even sliding back in the 1st and 2nd rounds for even more picks, and really setting this team up for the future. I also think Holmgren realizes there will be a loaded QB class next year, so if the McCoy experiment fails in year 3, he can get a signal caller next year, and may not have to trade anything to get him.
I’ll repeat, Holmgren is a man who VALUES draft picks like no other. I can’t see him trading up 2 spots, and giving up all they got last year, when this team has more holes than a piece of swiss cheese. I could very well be proven wrong here, but I just don’t see it happening.
My feeling is both Washington and Cleveland goes into this draft with no FA QB’s. I think Flynn goes to Miami, and Manning goes to the Chiefs or Cardinals.
R.I.P JVP 1926-2012
if the Pack tags Flynn
one would think that will definitely put Cleveland beyond that budget…
if cleveland has that many holes, what about the Skins?
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by Steve Shoup on Feb 25, 2012 12:30 PM EST up reply actions
Diesel
I went back to the archives before last years draft. You seem to have an eye for talent one person you specifically wanted last year was Demarco Murray and then after that you were high on Roy Helu. That is awsome stuff man. Who are some players you are high on this year?
and thank you for reporting this..if no one else tells you
as for this news , i read that the browns are looking at Tannehill. They would be wise to look at all their options but this is coming from a Die-heard Redskins fan who wants a franchise QB
just trying to leave a dent...
by Jorge Villadiego on Feb 25, 2012 8:21 AM EST up reply actions
WHAT IF... The Rams trade Sam Bradford instead?
It could still happen, Fisher historically likes mobile QBs.
Dear Passionate fan, I know you are passionate, but please reply with a logical answer or I will ignore you.
by TerpsAllTheWay on Feb 25, 2012 12:07 AM EST reply actions
Already said it wont happen. Fischer did.
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by SpartanFS47 on Feb 25, 2012 12:08 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Cue Tiller telling us "Told Ya So" in 3...2...1...
by The Agent C 83 on Feb 25, 2012 12:26 AM EST reply actions
Huh?
Everyone knew RG3 was going #2 overall but not to the Rams months ago.
@Callahan_9 on the twitter machine.
Keep up with me here.
Tiller has been the one who has said that the Redskins would probably have a good inside track on trading the pick with the Rams due to the friendly terms between some members of the respective FO’s and coaching staff (I can’t remember off-hand). The fact that we’re already holding informal talks this far out from the draft is a good indicator of this. Tiller’s comments about this being a strong possibility earned him a fair amount of criticism for his line of thinking.
Not saying he’s 100% correct yet, but this does sway in his favor.
by The Agent C 83 on Feb 25, 2012 12:55 AM EST up reply actions
I'm embarrished, not personally but for you.
Schefter has reported that SEVERAL teams are talking to the Rams. The Rams are in a good position and the friendship between Shanahan and Fisher means squa-douche. Can you follow that?
@Callahan_9 on the twitter machine.
by Diesel44 on Feb 25, 2012 1:22 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
*embarrassed
Point is that the notion that because Shanny & Fisher ate friends that he would have the inside track on a trade is ludicrous. Fisher has never won and will trade the #2 pick but will be looking for a king’s ransom.
@Callahan_9 on the twitter machine.
ate friends?
What, did their plane go down in the Andes? Or is this more of a Hannibal Lefties thing?
No Danny, Nooooooo - Tom Landry, 1982., and Washington Redskins fans, 1999-
by BillWard on Feb 25, 2012 11:01 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I'm embarrassed that you can't put two posts together without making a spelling or grammatical error.
Still, your spelling is better than your ability to make good points.
You are right that the Rams will want a significant sum. However, if the Browns and the Redskins offer similar-quality packages for the number 2 pick (which may happen unless the Browns just get desperate and give up a LOT for the pick), don’t you think that the personal relationship wouldn’t come into play?
by The Agent C 83 on Feb 25, 2012 2:13 PM EST up reply actions
The iPhone is a wonderful thing. Terrible keyboard, auto corrects, and it only allows you to read the last 8 words you just typed.
That’s my excuse, what’s your excuse for being so naive that you believe that a relationship between two coaches would some how give us an inside track in trading up. The #2 pick is going to the highest bidder.
Your grammar and spelling are fine but your contributions to any dialoque leave a LOT of of room for improvement.
@Callahan_9 on the twitter machine.
You must have vision problems, as well...
…I assume you’ve been squinting at your iPhone screen too much? I’ll repeat myself, for your sake.
You are right that the Rams will want a significant sum. However, if the Browns and the Redskins offer similar-quality packages for the number 2 pick (which may happen unless the Browns just get desperate and give up a LOT for the pick), don’t you think that the personal relationship wouldn’t come into play?
Apparently, you have decided to try to paint me as some naive rube instead of actually addressing the question I posed to you. Thus, your contributions leave much to be desired.
Two pieces of sage advice for you…1) Go see an eye doctor for that vision problem, and 2) don’t think I will back down from an argument when no good opposing opinion or fact has forced me to check my premises.
by The Agent C 83 on Feb 25, 2012 4:25 PM EST up reply actions
do you really think that Fisher doesn't have a relationship with holmgren???
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by Steve Shoup on Feb 25, 2012 12:31 PM EST up reply actions
I knew it.
Everybody is sleeping with everybody!!
I think there might still be a dark horse
That will throw the farm at the Rams,
Maybe Seattle or San Francisco.
by wuds100 on Feb 25, 2012 1:08 AM EST via mobile reply actions
San Francisco?
They would be nuts. They would have to basically gut two drafts for the kid when their current formula almost won them a Super Bowl this year. At best they need a few upgrades at the WR position and this draft is deep there, not to mention FA. There may be a dark horse, but it ain’t the 49ers. I could see them making a play for Peyton possibly.
Redskins @RGIII - 2012
by Copious 1 on Feb 25, 2012 5:08 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
Almost won?
I wonder what would happen if you add a great QB
by jmpalomo on Feb 25, 2012 6:23 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
Even though Alex Smith is far from elite
With everything he did for them last year, it would undermine all of their progress and destroy that locker room chemistry to bring in another qb as though that were the missing piece
by DoWork on Feb 25, 2012 10:54 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
But it was. wasn't it?
Alex Smith was the reason they lost to a terrible midgets team.
We can argue back and forth, AGAIN, about should be move up or not...
what I found VERY interesting about the Tweet was how desperate St. Louis is about moving. I also saw a report on SportsCenter about how desperate Minnesota is about trading out of the #3. If this is true, wouldn’t this drive down their leverage. And if Cleveland is NOT going to trade up, we could get a good deal.
Realistically, most of these reports are embelished, for TV / internet drama. I still believe there is some truth to most of the reports, and I hold the view that we will be trading up with St. Louis for the #2, most likely RG3. When that happens, watch the media frenzy. And, as good a marketer as Snyder is, watch how he promotes RG3 to the national media.
I've been beating this drum for a while.
We’re going to outbid everyone for RG3. Don’t give me the, “but Cleveland has two first rounders,” it doesn’t matter.
Swap firsts, this year’s second and next year’s first.
St.Louis will bank on the fact that next year’s first from us will be lower than Cleveland’s #22 this year.
I see it as more cushion for the pushin'
by iH8dallas on Feb 25, 2012 8:02 AM EST via mobile reply actions
If Cleveland were to give the 22nd this year
they would not give the 1st next year. I also doubt they would give their 2nd this year as well. All said, in the long run, I think our package for RG3 could be much better that what Cleveland is willing to offer:
CLE:
1st(#4)
1st(#22)
3rd(2013 ?)
WAS
1st(#6)
2nd
1st(2013)
3rd(2013)
I think that extra 2nd that we could throw in could be what gets the deal done. Maybe we could offer one of our 4ths this year in lue of the 3rd next year.
R.I.P JVP 1926-2012
No matter what, the name of the game is beat Cleveland.
This could also include throwing in a player.
Like I said, if I were a betting man, my cash is on RG3 being our QB this season.
I see it as more cushion for the pushin'
by iH8dallas on Feb 25, 2012 8:19 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
If Cleveland
isn’t as interested as I think they are, who really is going to trade up to that two spot besides us and Mia? Seattle isn’t going to do it. I don’t think we really need to move up to the 2 spot to get RGIII. And if we do great, and if we decide not to and we get Weeden in the 2nd great.
I agree
I believe the browns will hold on or trade back their picks making rg3 a future redskin. I don’t think we should just wait and see if he falls to number 6, because I’m not sold on weeden and rg3 appears to be a very exciting and dynamic player.
I checked out the Cleveland browns sites and their are plenty of fans who think that “drafting a qb” is the solution to the problems in Cleveland but the majority are saying that colt had no protection on the right side and nobody to check down to. So I think the browns will stick with colt and not waste their picks for a qb
Maybe I’m just thinking of last years success in the draft, but two 1sts, a 2nd and 3rd seems like a lot to move up four spots. Trading up or staying put will both be gambles, as far as getting a QB. Nothing is a sure thing. I guess I just have it in my head that very good pieces to the puzzle could be had with those two 1st round picks. Not to mention the 2nd and 3rd rounders. Anyone have any examples of what others have paid to move up just a few spots? And I know the Rams will be trying to cash in on desperation. I just dont think the Skins need to be desperate, based on what the FO is accomplishing and last year’s draft.
by shawman35 on Feb 25, 2012 9:17 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
wouldn't it be nice to be in the rams' spot right now....
it seems impossible for them not to take either of those deals.
you realize that Browns deal is FAR more valuable
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by Steve Shoup on Feb 25, 2012 12:33 PM EST up reply actions
One of the best things that could happen would be Flynn getting tagged with a 1st Round tender.
I think Cleveland would be more likely to burn one of their 1st round picks to get him, which would conceivable take them out of the running.
The other option would be Miami trading their 1st for Flynn, but that seems more unlikely since they would then be in a great position to get Tannehill who Sherman coached in college. The could still be willing to trade that pick, but they may not.
Redskins @RGIII - 2012
the only way Green Bay tags Flynn is...
if they think they can trade him. But not for the tags requirement (1st), since that would probably deter many, if not all, teams who have interest. Green Bay would attempt getting a 2nd or 3rd, more likely.
It is so risky to tag Flynn, with the salary restrictions it would place on them, and then if teams showed disinterest, it would screw up the plan. Green Bay only does it if they have something in the works, which I believe would be less than a 1st…
so that sets Flynn's salary at 14 million?
that is too much money
yeah it doesn't work that way, that is less than the Browns two picks
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by Steve Shoup on Feb 25, 2012 12:32 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t think the race for RGIII will be limited to the Skins and Cleveland. I’m sure at some point Miami, Seattle, and KC will all having informal meetings with the Rams as well. I could also see Jerry Jones getting into the fray.
When I was a kid, my father told me, "Never hit anyone in anger, unless you're absolutely sure you can get away with it." -Russell Ziskey
Yes, but we can outbid anybody except Cleveland
Just no question Cleveland can move to two if they want to – they have the position and muscle. I would not try to outbid them. But If RG3 is available at 6, take him (although I don’t know what would be best if we had already gotten Manning – a pretty nice dilemma).
With the second pick RG3 goes to...
A couple chips need to be hammered out to determine who might make a strong push for RG3. Less QB’s available = more bidders for the 2nd pick. The Colts need to release Manning and the Pack can’t franchise Flynn. Currently the Browns, Skins, Phins, Chiefs, and Seahawks are potential bidders. Don’t see the Seahawks as they are a division rival with the Rams and make a push for Flynn. Chiefs pick outside the Top 10, I see the Phins getting either Manning or Flynn, which makes the bidding come down to the Browns and Skins. The Skins might have to give up current players to potentially outbid the Browns.
Doug Farrar had a useless and offensive article on Yahoo today
Just had to bring up the issue of race – claiming that some dark forces stereotyped RG3 as too dumb to learn an NFL playbook because he was black. He actually cited a question by Mayock to sort of support that (a ridiculous and unfounded accusation based on the quote). And then Farrar nobly said the interviews put to rest that idea. I think Farrar is goofy to bring up such a thing. In everything I have read about RG3, not one person has even remotely hinted that he might not be as smart as any other QB prospect. In fact, quite the opposite – a number of articles stressed how brilliant he was. Further, since football intelligence is slightly different than IQ intelligence, a high scholastic IQ would not necessarily guarantee success in the NFL anyway. As for intelligence, it is a factor – I seem to remember numerous people on HH dumping, very unfairly, on Ryan Mallett, flatly calling him a moron. As for RG3, I don’t think there is any question that he is “smart enough” to have great success in the NFL. The question for me is price – I rather think it would be better to save those three high picks and take Tannehill or Weeden.
Love RG3, hate Mallett.
To be fair though, Mallett was/is deserving of being called a moron.
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