Clinton Portis Thinks Combine Hurts More than It Helps and RG3 is Best QB in Draft
by Kevin Ewoldt on Feb 22, 2012 11:00 AM EST
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PrintThe combine kicks off today in Indianapolis. I'll be flying out there tomorrow afternoon, so if there's any prospects you'd especially like me to ask questions to, please add them in the comments below. One of the biggest takeaways I had last year was how big Ryan Kerrigan was and how small Casey Matthews was. I've always thought the combine was more of a show, but it does add value in some areas:
- 1-on-1 Interviews - If a team is going to burn a high pick on a guy, the combine is the time to ask the prospect about any past issues or anything questionable coaches have seen on film. "Why did you shift left on this play?" "What did you learn from that game?"
- Strength - Coaches have seen every collegiate snap from these guys. Did they bulk up? Are they in good shape? Did they get faster? There always seem to be a couple guys that regress from their time off.
"I think the combine actually hurts more guys than it helps," Portis said. "The microscope is on to judge you, to figure out what you can't do, they already know what you can do. Where in football does a broad jump mean anything? You don't see anyone jump from the 5 to the end zone, standing off of two feet from a standstill. Give me a running start and let me dive across! I think it hurts more people than it helps."
Clinton also thinks Andrew Luck shouldn't be the first pick of the draft. That should go to...
"If it were up to me, Griffin would be the first pick in the draft," Portis said. "Andrew Luck with the fundamentals and his career, he won every game he played. But on the flip side, if you look at the kid from Boise State (Kellen Moore), who is the same way, but he lost three games in his college career, how do you not take him?"
Of course, Ken Meringolo was the first person anywhere to draft Robert Griffin III first in our last Hogs Haven mock draft. Kellen Moore is an interesting one. I'd have no problem burning a very late draft pick on him. Based on the current QB situation, the Redskins can't get worse. And just think, we can have the "Cult of Kellen" Fan Posts running all year.
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Clinton is a polarizing guy to some
but I say he deserves a shot at 10,000 with somebody. Hell, keep him in to block on passing downs but can EVERY NFL team say they have 3 RBs better than CP?
I’d like to get some updates on ILB James Michael-Johnson from Nevada. He’s got 38 TFLs in four seasons with only 8 sacks. He has clocked lower than a 4.6 40 as well. With McIntosh gone I think he’d be a great understudy for Fletcher. I could him and Riley making impact plays for years. Every 3-4 D needs a FLEET of LBs to pull it off. I’m hoping to get him round 3 or later.
What a great QB breakdown, especially when you don't know guys names haha
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Haha
The fact that Clinton Portis says RG3 is the best is basically definitive proof that he is not.
by Jeff Bernard on Feb 22, 2012 12:25 PM EST up reply actions
I remember hearing an interview with Shanahan
or Bruce (I can’t remember exactly), but they stated the 1 on 1 interviews at the combine aren’t that big of a help anymore, because they’re only 15 minutes long and the players are so well coached up for the interviews by their agents/PR staff that its hard to get any real sense of who they are outside of their X’s and O’s knowledge. That being said, I’m sure throwing out some curveball questions might help with that.
As for me, all I know is that I know nothing.
*Socrates*
Haha or you could be like Dallas with Dez Bryant:
“So Dez, your mom was a prostitute, how do you feel about that?”
by StephanHart on Feb 22, 2012 11:31 AM EST up reply actions
haha yea i'm pretty sure those lines of questions would elicit some authentic answers
if not at least emotional responses….I don’t know how I would have handled that if I was in his shoes.
As for me, all I know is that I know nothing.
*Socrates*
in the words of charlie murphy
“Maybe I shouldn’t do nothing, but my ghetto side was goin’ ‘Yo, stomp this mother*&^%#$ out right here.’ What the fu%$ is wrong with him?”
As for me, all I know is that I know nothing.
*Socrates*
Dez said "my dad was a pimp" so the guy asked if he mom was a prostitute
Perfectly reasonable question to follow up a dumb statement from Dez who is one of the dumbest human beings in the NFL
by Jeff Bernard on Feb 22, 2012 12:28 PM EST up reply actions
Bryant also denied he ever said his dad was a pimp
but then it comes down to a “he said/he said” scenario
As for me, all I know is that I know nothing.
*Socrates*
Who to believe? Jeff Ireland or Dez Bryant.....decisions, decisions
by Jeff Bernard on Feb 22, 2012 12:37 PM EST up reply actions
since I know neither personally, that's a decision I can't make
As for me, all I know is that I know nothing.
*Socrates*
i'm pretty sure you don't' know Bin Laden or Ghandi personally. Would that be a decision you couldn't make also?
by Jeff Bernard on Feb 22, 2012 12:41 PM EST up reply actions
decision as to what?
whether they were lying about what they talked about with each other? I’m just saying the use of ad hominem attacks to justify one’s side or the other isn’t definitive as to what the truth of the actual situation was.
As for me, all I know is that I know nothing.
*Socrates*
I thought it
Was a different team that asked him that, and they had to apologize.
Where do they teach you to talk like this? In some Panama City "Sailor wanna hump-hump" bar, or is it getaway day and your last shot at his whiskey? Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.
I don't think it was a team rep, it was a reporter from Miami (I think.)
I see it as more cushion for the pushin'
No, I'm pretty sure
It was a GM. I remember seeing where the guy apologized
Where do they teach you to talk like this? In some Panama City "Sailor wanna hump-hump" bar, or is it getaway day and your last shot at his whiskey? Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.
I think a bunch of people asked about it....pretty sure Dallas scouts asked him about it at his interview with them at the combine
by StephanHart on Feb 22, 2012 12:06 PM EST up reply actions
YES
THAT’s who I was thinking of. I remember the interview. He was pretty perturbed people were villifying him over it.
Where do they teach you to talk like this? In some Panama City "Sailor wanna hump-hump" bar, or is it getaway day and your last shot at his whiskey? Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.
The combine interview process could hurt a guy like Portis
but it can only help a guy like RG3
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Check out the combine questions Kory Lichtensteiger got….amazing.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/feb/21/business-again-figures-to-be-brisk-at-nfls-annual-/
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its like those games you play on kids
asking several questions you know they’ll answer “yes” to, and then throw in a question they would most definitely answer “no” to usually, but in this instance they answer “yes” because they’re minds were stuck on answering “yes” to all the previous questions
As for me, all I know is that I know nothing.
*Socrates*
I disagree with this.
“Andrew Luck… won every game he played.”
I think Andrew Luck would be the perfect prospect if he had just won the big games. Losing to OK State and Oregon, as well as getting outplayed by Barkley against USC are the red flags that keep him from being perfect in my opinion, or at least from being what most think he will be.
Skins rule
I also recommend clicking that article link to see what Portis thinks of Tebow (like most of us, he’s in Brady Quinn’s boat).
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Brady Quinn's boat
I understand your point, but perhaps a different choice of words would’ve been better. Right now, I’m not sure whatever Brady Quinn has could qualify as a boat. It’s more like a piece of half-rotted driftwood.
Where do they teach you to talk like this? In some Panama City "Sailor wanna hump-hump" bar, or is it getaway day and your last shot at his whiskey? Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.
Not lifting or anything
But I’m a proponent of these guys running several combine drills in pads. No hitting drills or anything, but you want a more accurate 40-time for when these guys are on the field, suit ‘em up. The highly picked track-guys may look good in shorts, I want the football player. I donno, the NFL’s tampering with everything else, why not?
I like that idea
I remember Bill Walsh saying that even though Jerry Rice didn’t run a fast 40 time, when he put the pads on his speed didn’t decrease like the other players timed. Functional speed is more important than track speed in football.
As for me, all I know is that I know nothing.
*Socrates*
I agree
especially now that players are enlisting the help of former Olympic track stars to train them on how to sprint. When you put a ball in a players hand or make them have to run routes “track form” goes right out the window.
As for me, all I know is that I know nothing.
*Socrates*
It's a good point, but how do you enforce that?
If you’re a RB, wouldn’t you just use a Kicker’s pads? And UA vs Nike pads weigh differently. If I used Nike pads my whole collegiate career and was forced to run a 40 in UA pads, excuses (somewhat legit) could creep in. Makes it easy I guess.
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by Kevin Ewoldt on Feb 22, 2012 12:37 PM EST up reply actions
couldn't the NFL just supply all the pads and assign them to players; therefore, making it uniform?
As for me, all I know is that I know nothing.
*Socrates*
no because what pads would they supply?
What if the pads they choose are the kind that a player hates. What if the pads they choose are the same ones some players wear all the time. It wouldn’t be uniform because it gives an advantage to those who like that type of pad and disadvantage to those who don’t
by Jeff Bernard on Feb 22, 2012 12:43 PM EST up reply actions
do players have get to pick and choose their pads? or does the NFL/teams automatically use a certain brand of pads?
honestly asking, cuz I don’t know
As for me, all I know is that I know nothing.
*Socrates*
i don't know about the NFL but i know different colleges use different products
Its more about what they are accustomed to and less about what they will wear in the NFL
by Jeff Bernard on Feb 22, 2012 12:54 PM EST up reply actions
I think it'd be appropriate to see how they run with NFL gear since the combine is aimed at seeing if their skills adapt to the NFL level
but I understand the point you’re making…it could give players excuses/advantages; however, I still think its a good idea to make them run with a ball or wear pads just for the sake of seeing their functional speed
As for me, all I know is that I know nothing.
*Socrates*
If they’re inspected before hand (I don’t know what they’d be looking for) why not use their own personal collegiate pads? The top programs are going to have as high quality equipment as the NFL. Some players choose not to use pads in their pants, I’d make it that optional, but shoulder and helmet would be mandatory.
then you can just say
that you’re using your personal collegiate pads, but actually go and use the lightest and smallest pads in the universe. how can they enforce that the pads you are using are actually your collegiate pads, and so what good does that do for anyone? and then even if everyone was using their actual collegiate pads, what good does that do to anyone if you can’t use those same pads in the nfl?
by orakpophobia on Feb 22, 2012 2:02 PM EST up reply actions
as I said, inspection. They’d know if they’re running with kicker’s pads and not RB equipment. It wouldn’t be some unregulated disaster, this is the NFL. If they want to issue their own league pads based on position, then so be it, if the equipment is positionally based, I don’t care what their complaints are, they’re using what they’ll more than likely utilizing while they’re in the league.
Does the NFL contract with one brand or no in regards to pads? I know you can’t wear gloves that aren’t NFL equipment. If helmets are Riddell or Schutt, that transfers over. If the NFL supplies pads that are relatively the same brand, it shouldn’t matter because they’re coming into the league anyways. As long as, like you said, all pads are positional, I don’t think the complaints would be too credible. Guys complain now in shorts that the track isn’t right or something is at fault anyways :P Malcolm Kelly anyone?
So what
Kind of pads DID you use in college?
Where do they teach you to talk like this? In some Panama City "Sailor wanna hump-hump" bar, or is it getaway day and your last shot at his whiskey? Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.
I'd like to see some of that as well...
I’d also like to see a velocity test for the QB’s, and maybe even some 7 on 7 drills
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Kevin- have a great time. If you happen to bump into Rainey, I’d be interested to know if he sees himself more of a RB or WR. Also, how comfortable he feels about being a PR/KR in the NFL.
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Got it...will do.
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by Kevin Ewoldt on Feb 22, 2012 1:36 PM EST up reply actions
Yea Kevin go stalk the stalker
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good man, thanks
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I know it's unlikely that we go after him because of his stock and our needs....
but I am really intrigued by Dontari Poe. An interview with him would be amazing, if we were to somehow select him, our defensive line would be set for many many years. Of course are needs are everywhere else so it’s not likely.
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Got it...will do.
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by Kevin Ewoldt on Feb 22, 2012 1:36 PM EST up reply actions
RGIII or Bust
Has a fanchise you only get few little opportuniites to draft an impact game changing player. Give the picks up and select RGIII @ #2. IT WILL BE WORTH IT IN THE LONG RUN.
totally agree
we need a game changer (in the positive sense).. it is a huge roll of the dice to move up to get RGIII.. if we bust out and get another Shuler, we will be screwed for several years.. But the cautious move of selecting a second tier QB while building the rest of the team will doom us to repeating mediocrity.. moving up to get Barkley or Jones in 2013 will be just as costly, and our players will be 1 year older.
make the move !! get the franchise QB !!
No offense to CP
But who cares what he thinks? He’s not a scout, coach, GM, or owner whose decisions ever matter. He’s not even a player or a prospective player. Shoot…at this point, he’s probably not even a fan.
Also, his statement, “I think the combine actually hurts more guys than it helps,” makes me laugh because by mathematical law, the number of people hurt has to equal the number of people it helps. For every player that’s driven down in value (i.e. draft pick), somebody has to come up to fill the spot that player lost out on.
Any way, I wish him the best just as long as he’s not being a disruption to our team.
Agree completely
CP just want’s publicity and is waiting for another Arizona running back to get hurt so he can have a job.
On a better subject I think we should move up to number 3 and pick up RG3 the Vikings need plenty of picks and we wouldn’t have to trade the kitchen sink. DHall and our # 6 seems completely reasonable and a conditional 2nd or 3rd based on performance
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