Do the Skins go after Brandon Carr??
by Terp Skin Fan on Feb 20, 2012 3:07 PM EST
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The Chiefs just signed Stand Routt to a 3-year deal, so does that immediately bump Carr to our priority list of FA needs? With Routt signed, you can assume that Bowe will be KC's 1st priority this off season whether that's re-upping on him outright or placing the franchise tag on him. So, Carr will be there for the taking especially if we can get a good deal that will allow us to finally cut ties with DHall. What does everyone else think??
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He seems to be better suited for zone than man, which the Redskins do a lot of. This essentially takes Bowe out of the FA WR conversation.
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by Copious 1 on Feb 20, 2012 4:02 PM EST via Android app reply actions
To bad
Bowe was the one FA WR I was really interested in…Think the 2 NO WR may be a little over hyped-they’re good, but think the sytem and Brees makes them look better than they really are. The jacksons are head cases, Manningham will cost more than he is really worth after his SB catch, Welker is staying put in NE.
When I was a kid, my father told me, "Never hit anyone in anger, unless you're absolutely sure you can get away with it." -Russell Ziskey
The Skins plan mostly man?
That is not what I saw all year, and what pissed me off about the secondary play calls. We played MOSTLY zone, with opponent’s WRs exploiting the holes in the zones all year. I would prefer a man coverage, but if we are going to play zone, AND Carr is better in zone, then it’s a no brainer….
It was a mix of both, but the press and off man on blitzes was seen a lot. (I could be wrong)
The key to the defense and the CB’s playing to their strength is for them to be able to jump routes and make plays, which is why the FS/SS positions have to be solid and a 3rd starting caliber CB needs to be found as well.
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Yes, I know we play all different dimensions of coverage...
it is just my impression. And, I did state that I think zone was the preferred choice, played mostly, BUT NOT ALL THE TIME. I just can’t stand leaving huge holes in uncovered zones…
maybe
skins could shock everybody everybody and address the majority of our needs with young tallented free agents
I know I may be in the minority here
But I like DHall. He has improved his tackling over the last couple of years. I know the Gronkowski thing is on everyones mind but if he had hit him, and god forbid it happened with a millimeter of cleat out of bounds, $50K fine and a game suspension. While i did not like the outcome, I think he showed some measure of restraint in the new NFL.
I think that expecting him to cover top receivers for more than 4 seconds is asking to much of any corner, even Champ. Romo is an escape artist who makes plays when under heavy pressure, thats what he does. DHall covered that cowturd for as long as he could.
Our defensive pressure improved last year but could stand for a little more improvement. I am not saying dont draft someone or even pick up a free agent but I dont think DHall was our biggest problem on defense last year. I would not even mind seeing him used as a safety more over the next few years but certainly he could be a valuable member of the team for the next few years.
I don’t mind DHall, but he simply gets burned on too many plays for trying to be a “ball hawk.” I love the way Josh Wilson improved as the season went along. Id be happy if we could pick Carr up, and if that means we have to let DHall and his big mouth walk, so be it. If we could keep a 3-man rotation with Hall, Wilson and Carr, I’d be shocked and happily surprised.
That said, I’m holding out hope that we draft Casey Hayward since it seems like Raheem took a liking to him at the Senior Bowl. He doesn’t have great hands, but he’s usually in great position to break up the pass.
He's not the biggest problem.
The main reason people dislike Landry and DHall is because they both chirp a lot on the field. My opinions is that none of the trash talk matters, some guys play better with it.
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Hall has given up the most TD's in the NFL over the last two years, not sure exactly why he should be allowed to trash talk
If London Fletcher trash talked like Ray Lewis who cares, he’s earned that right. Landry and Hall have not.
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I like Hall too
and I don’t see CB being that much of a need – depth maybe, starters, no
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The WR sets dictates that NFL teams have more than two good CBs. The nickel back should be starter quality. Carr
may not be as expensive as Stanford Routt’s $20 million contract, but he will not be cheap. The Team may be in good cap position, but they will need to weigh their resource allocation carefully.
by Jefferson1935 on Feb 21, 2012 11:08 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah
I don’t think signing him makes a lot of sense. We could get 2 starting linemen for the price of Carr. Maybe I’m more optimistic than most, but I like our young guys at corner(Thompson, Barnes, even Gomes-as he can play some nickle).
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DHall at Safety
I think DHall would actually be pretty good if moved to a FS position with his ability to cover TE’s and do what he likes best, be a ballhawk. Using him as sort of a center fielder would allow him to make more plays on the ball and allow us to stay in our base defense more often with his ability to slide down and cover the 3rd WR or TE.
So Landry most likely gone, but I think DHall and OJ would be a formidable safety duo, maybe not imposing but they may be the best coverage safety tandem in the league. With the league switching to more open and spread sets on offense, I believe you need both safeties to be able to cover and this lineup would give us the flexibility to match up with the increasing of passing offenses in the league.
This is all given we sign somebody like Carr to start opposite Wilson. If we dont sign a starter quality CB then it’s all a moot point.
DHall's weaknessess are coverage and tackling...makes him a pretty poor fit to be the last line of defense at FS
by StephanHart on Feb 21, 2012 12:19 PM EST up reply actions
Disagree
I believe the reason he is viewed as being poor in coverage is because of the risks he takes, he bites on the receivers first move too often which leaves him in poor position. I think this would be negated somewhat by moving him to FS and allowing him to play centerfield more.
As I said before, he wouldnt be intimidating at Safety but I still think he would be able to make most tackles. I think his tackling ability is underrated, he demonstrates good technique, when he wants to. Granted more often than not he would shy away from contact.
I’m not saying that DHall would be an ideal safety, I just think it is an intriguing possibility.
why would this make him take less risks?
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He wouldnt take less risks
I just think we wouldnt be hurt as bad when he does take risks and it backfires. Instead of him covering a receiver one on one and biting on a move and getting beat, he would be the one providing help, so if he did make a mistake then the corner covering the receiver would still be there, hopefully at least.
I think he may actually take more risks playing safety, it just wouldn’t hurt us as much. Its just what I think. I’m not saying his mistakes wouldn’t give up scores still.
I also think being back at safety would give him more space and time to read the plays and make better decisions, hopefully. Being back at safety he would be able to read the QB, which he does anyways playin CB, it just wouldn’t hurt us as much if he made a mistake because he would be playing center field instead of one on one with a receiver.
free safeties have a lot of man responsibilities as well
and when we are in zone he’d have a far bigger area of responsibility. You want your free safety to have great instincts, not horrible instincts.
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True
I’m not saying it would be ideal, or even that I think we should. I had just never thought about moving him to safety so I was just trying to look at the positives of the switch.
Your right, in zone as a safety he would have a far larger area of responsibility and you want your safety to have great instincts. I think he’d be able to make plays on the ball more at safety. He’d be way better in coverage than Landry has been although we would lose the physicality than landry brought. They would be two completely different safeties.
I just think from an overall coverage standpoint, it’d be better to have Wilson, Carr, Atogwe and Hall (as a safety) instead of Landry.
To make it clear, I’m not a big fan of DHall, I think he takes too many risks and is a below-average CB. I dont know offhand the cap ramifications of releasing him, and if we dont find a replacement we might as well keep him. But he shouldnt be a starter in this league. I just find it intriguing the possibility of him moving to safety and being able to roam more, drop down on the slot receiver if necessary, and cover the tight ends when need be. I still think the more physical, athletic tight ends would be able to have their way against him. I just think if moving Hall to safety did work, then it would be able to give us alot more flexibility in our base defense.
that's the good news
there are almost no cap ramifications for releasing him. He would still count $600k this year, but we’d free up $6.2 million this year and $8.5 million next year.
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by Steve Shoup on Feb 23, 2012 11:42 AM EST up reply actions
Seems that, if you can get a viable starting CB for replacement, releasing DHall would be the smart move
by StephanHart on Feb 23, 2012 12:50 PM EST up reply actions
Cut Hall and sign Carr .
While we are at it , let Laron leave , and sign Branch . Instantly upgrade our secondary , and possibally even save money .
I don't think they will go after him
I can’t see him adding another huge CB contract unless they cut Hall…and we would still need to draft a CB to play nickle. I think we may have Hall for one more year.
When I was a kid, my father told me, "Never hit anyone in anger, unless you're absolutely sure you can get away with it." -Russell Ziskey
I'm really starting to feel Thompson will come around this season
some teams wanted to sign him off our PS last season, which is why we signed him to our roster
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Interesting
I still wonder if he is ready to step up to play nickle. It would be great if he did
When I was a kid, my father told me, "Never hit anyone in anger, unless you're absolutely sure you can get away with it." -Russell Ziskey
well I think they should cut Hall and sign Carr, if you structure it right it can even save the Skins some money
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Think I like your earlier
idea of getting 2 tier II guys instead – thomas and porter
When I was a kid, my father told me, "Never hit anyone in anger, unless you're absolutely sure you can get away with it." -Russell Ziskey
i could go either way
and while you def. couldn’t sign two of Grimes and Carr, Finnigan etc. some of those 2nd tier guys might come cheaper than you expect (since most of the dollars will flow towards the top and it is a deep market). So a guy like Terrell Thomas coming off the injury or Richard Marshall who’s rep is worse than his production might come cheaper than you’d expect.
But i think overall we need to add at least 3 CB’s this year (and probably more like 4 with cutting Hall), because no one outside of Wilson should be guaranteed a job next year. .
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Do you think Wilson should start?
You say you think we need 3 more CB’s. Do you think we need 2 starters and move Wilson to nickel or would you keep Wilson as a starter and sign Carr or Finnegan along with a couple 2nd tier guys for depth?
Just wondering your thoughts on Wilson.
i'm a big fan of Wilson so I'd still have him start
now given his experience of playing the slot, i’d def. consider moving him inside when you go to nickle but he should play as a starter overall.
My ideal would be Carr and Wilson starter, sign a 2nd tier guy (Thomas, Middleton, R. Marshall, T. Jennings, J. Allen) and draft 1-2 corners in between the 4th-7th rounds, who then compete with Barnes, Westbrooke and Thompson
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by Steve Shoup on Feb 23, 2012 11:45 AM EST up reply actions
hey its not the first time, you agreed with me on Anthony Collins as well
really our only difference is QB and whether to trade up or not
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and I will convince you someday...
as long as there is mutual respect, we can take this blog far….haha…
haha good luck trying to convince me
but i agree about the mutual respect
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Depends on what we play
If we play zone yes get him if we play more man this year which i would rather play then not sure has anybody seem Carr play any man? I Hope we learned from Rogers if he plays man play man to man because Rogers in zone was horrible
Depends on what we play
If we play zone yes get him if we play more man this year which i would rather play then not sure has anybody seem Carr play any man? I Hope we learned from Rogers if he plays man play man to man because Rogers in zone was horrible. I agree Hall would be better with better safety play been saying it before the season started last year wiith landry’s health problems cannot have Hall and Reed on the same side that’s why i rather go after Oak safety in FA
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