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Tale of the Tape: Brock Osweiler vs USC

Today's subject of 'Tale of the Tape' is Arizona State Quarterback Brock Osweiler. Yes, I know another quarterback, but the Redskins need one so we should look at all the options. Plus, this was requested by someone. I'm always open to suggestions and requests so let me know if there is anyone in particular you'd like to see in a future post.

Osweiler's stat line in this game: 25 of 32 (78.1%) for 223 yards, two touchdowns at a rating of 157.3.

One thing to note before I get started, a lot of Osweiler's throws are to the running back in the flat. I've chosen not to show any of these as they don't really show us anything about what he can do and what he could potentially do in the NFL .

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On this play, the receiver is running into a gap in the defense.

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Osweiler stands and delivers a throw despite the immediate pressure from a blitzing defender. The ball is caught, but the receiver can't get the first down. I like Osweiler's toughness in this play. He's willing to stand and get the ball out knowing he's about to take a big hit.

His toughness and willingness to take a hit is evident throughout the game.

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Here his is in the 4th quarter with a lead. Again USC get a defender with a free run at Osweiler. Unfazed, Osweiler steps into his throw and takes the hit.

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Osweiler manages to drive the ball to the receiver on the outside. The receiver makes the catch and steps out of bounds after converting the first down. Impressive throw by Osweiler.

This next play builds on the toughness factor, but also shows Osweiler has the ability to go through his progressions to find an open receiver.

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You can see that Osweiler's first read is to his left. He doesn't like the look and comes back to the middle of the field.

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Once again, Osweiler is hit just after he throws. But it doesn't stop him from stepping into the throw and completing the pass.

Here's another example of him going through his progressions.

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Osweiler rolls to his left on the play-action fake. He checks his first target but again doesn't like the look.

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So instead he comes back across the middle and spots a receiver running open on a crossing route.

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The pass is complete, but if I'm being picky, I would like to have seen the ball thrown out in front of the receiver more. This would have let the receiver catch the ball in stride and gain additional yards after the catch. But in this case the receiver has to make an adjustment and stop his route. But in the end, it was a completed pass for a first down.

Unfortunately, that's about it for the good side of Osweiler from the USC tape. Here are some of the bad moments.

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This is Osweiler's first touchdown pass. However, I think he gets away with this one. It's a very common red zone play. The receiver is running a fade route. The quarterback has to put a certain touch on the ball to get it over the defender and into the arms of the receiver.

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But as you can see, rather than running onto the ball, the receiver is having to come back for it. In the NFL, I believe this pass hits the defender in the back or is possibly intercepted. But here, the receiver does a great job getting his body in front of the defender to make the catch.

Later on in the game, he attempted another fade route.

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This time Arizona State are going for the two point conversion. Osweiler has less of the field to work with on this occasion.

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He doesn't even managed to keep this one in the field of play. These two plays do raise questions about his ability to take a little off his throws and put more touch on the ball. In the NFL, a quarterback has to be able to take something off his throws for throws like these. You simply cannot just throw a bullet every play.

The last play I took note of was a bad throw into tight coverage.

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It was a strange throw as he went through his progressions but decided to take this option.

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(Apologies for the blurry picture, was the best I could get.) He tried to force the ball into a very tight window with three defenders all in reach of the receiver. Not a good throw by Osweiler, there's a good chance this is intercepted in the NFL.

That just about wraps it up for this 'Tale of the Tape' post. You can read Mocking the Draft's scouting report of Osweiler here. As I said at the start, feel free to offer up suggestions or requests for future posts either in the comments, or on my twitter (@UkRedskin1)

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Great analysis again.

Been reading Hogs for a while and the tape reviews are always excellent. But yeah, in conclusion, not good enough I think. Better options out there clearly.

"It is better to fail aiming high than to succeed aiming low. And we of Spurs have set our sights very high, so high in fact that even failure will have in it an echo of glory."

by SpursandSkins on Feb 18, 2012 3:53 PM EST reply actions  

Thanks.

Spurs fan? I can live with that I suppose…

by UkRedskin on Feb 19, 2012 12:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Aha, afraid so. Blame my Dad for both my football team and my NFL team.

"It is better to fail aiming high than to succeed aiming low. And we of Spurs have set our sights very high, so high in fact that even failure will have in it an echo of glory."

by SpursandSkins on Feb 19, 2012 2:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Limited starts:

One case that can be made for him is he only had 15 starts. If he is still there in round two Shanny might pull the trigger.

by skinsfan76 on Feb 18, 2012 4:16 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

Round two?

I don’t see it.

Where do they teach you to talk like this? In some Panama City "Sailor wanna hump-hump" bar, or is it getaway day and your last shot at his whiskey? Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.

by CJHutch on Feb 18, 2012 10:31 PM EST up reply actions  

He's a bum.

I see it as more cushion for the pushin'

by iH8dallas on Feb 18, 2012 4:40 PM EST via mobile reply actions   1 recs

Agreed, I watched the tape of this game and it isn't pretty.

I don’t think he completed a single deep throw and maybe a few intermediate ones. As UK said the majority of completions were dump offs to the back. There was a lot of bad decision making. I am not a fan of this guy, even as a developmental project.

by ipitydafu on Feb 19, 2012 4:29 AM EST up reply actions  

He'd be a big project.

His size, athleticism and big arm give him some tools to work with, but he’d be a project from my point of view.

by UkRedskin on Feb 19, 2012 12:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Surprised he declared tbh, definitely could of used another year. Not all that interested in him.

by 2up2down on Feb 18, 2012 4:41 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

I agree

Another year could have really helped him.

by UkRedskin on Feb 19, 2012 12:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Can you do a report on Foles!!!

There is a report on Luck, RG3, Tannehill, and now Osweiler but not of Foles. I believe there is only one report and it is mostly about his footwork. I would like to see a report like this on him.

Other wise I rank Osweiler behind Foles/Weeden his decision making was a big red mark on him.

HAIL 4 LIFE!!!!

by squigums on Feb 18, 2012 5:00 PM EST reply actions  

Yea but the whole post is about his footwork only. Nothing else.

With the other QBs you talked about their accuracy, ability to move in the pocket, their arm strength, ability under pressure, ball placement everything good and bad. But with Foles you really only covered his bad footwork nothing else. what are your impressions on his other tools. You know some pics and red circles…

HAIL 4 LIFE!!!!

by squigums on Feb 18, 2012 8:02 PM EST up reply actions  

TBH, I'd prefer one on Russell Wilson

I’ve seen a lot of his tape lately and I’m just not seeing much downside besides his size.

by ipitydafu on Feb 19, 2012 4:32 AM EST up reply actions  

Wilson intrigues me.

Because whenever I’ve seen him (and admittedly its not been that often), he doesn’t have many knocks on him outside of the height.

As for Foles, I felt he had average accuracy/ball placement. Nothing spectacular but nothing that kills him. Foles’ arm strength is there in abundance but his footwork takes away from it, it’s all shoulder. It’s his ability when the pass rush gets to him early that screws with his footwork. I think his footwork really made it hard for me to look past that.

by UkRedskin on Feb 19, 2012 12:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Good job me old fruit

Did you manage to get a look at Gerell Robinson? I think the dude could be a sleeper

There's always next year...

by The Shanaplan on Feb 18, 2012 6:35 PM EST reply actions  

I didn't

But I may well go back and check him out.

by UkRedskin on Feb 19, 2012 12:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Hmmm...

Tall, strong armed quarterback who needs time to turn into an NFL’er. Oh, hi there Peyton Manning.

UK, thanks for posting this. It was an interesting look at a guy that could go anywhere in this draft. I mean, would anyone be surrised if this guy wound up in say…pittsburg?

by timith on Feb 18, 2012 10:41 PM EST reply actions  

could he potentially be another big ben from the steelers?

by fraja926 on Feb 18, 2012 11:10 PM EST reply actions  

Not the worst comparison

in the world. Ben has a much thicker build and can take more hits. Osweiler would have to fill out a lot more to be able to take the hits that Ben can shrug off.

by UkRedskin on Feb 19, 2012 12:47 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't know why everyone thinks Ben the Rapist can shrug off stuff

I’ve seen him leave the game with concussions on at least six different occasions. Ben’s not all that tough.

by horatius on Feb 19, 2012 10:31 PM EST up reply actions  

If the Redskins hand the keys over to Brock Osweiler, who also starred as Drago in Rocky IV, I won’t be able to forecast anything other than certain doom.

by Brutus89 on Feb 19, 2012 12:15 AM EST reply actions  

Hey, Drago was pretty good.

He only lost one fight. If Osweiler could do the same I’d take him in a heartbeat.

by UkRedskin on Feb 19, 2012 12:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Can you summarize the analysis?

At what position in the draft is this guy fair value?

Fit with the Shanahan offense (if you think this matters at all)?

by TCO on Feb 19, 2012 12:18 AM EST reply actions  

I'd probably say 3rd/4th rounder

He’s mobile enough and has a big enough arm to give you enough to work with. As I said in the post, he can go through his progressions so he’s not in a ‘1 read and run’ offense. But there’s not enough tape of him make throws longer than 3-5 yards to go on to say he’s a first rounder like some draft guys are saying. Like Gabbert last year, most of his throws are into the flat on a receiver screen or a designed throw to the running back. He has some tools, but would take a lot of development. Not sure Shanahan would risk the future on this guy, but if he were to fall a couple of rounds, might pick him up as a project to work on.

by UkRedskin on Feb 19, 2012 12:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Never draft a quarterback with inner-arm bicep tattoos

by Brutus89 on Feb 19, 2012 12:45 AM EST reply actions  

I can’t pass judgment on something I’ve done myself

by Brutus89 on Feb 20, 2012 11:07 AM EST up reply actions  

Not sure I'd go that far.

His size actually hurts him because he has to bring the ball up even higher and that makes for a longer throwing motion. He’s developed a motion that works for him and manages to get the ball out at about average speed. As I just said above, I think he’s worth maybe a 3rd/4th rounder.

by UkRedskin on Feb 19, 2012 1:00 PM EST up reply actions  

can you do 1 on that corner back from iowa st

that shut down blackmon. i cant remember his name, sorry

by munson21502 on Feb 19, 2012 4:45 AM EST reply actions  

Iowa St.

THe corner from Iowa St. is Leonard Johnson. I like Trumaine Johnson form Montana better he is big 6-2 204 and would give us size that our corners just do not possess. We could probably get either of these guys in the third with the Montana kid maybe not going until the 4th.

by DC Saviour on Feb 19, 2012 3:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Also

I also like Tashaun Gipson from Wyoming who we might be able to draft in the 7th round, he is also pretty big 6-0 203.

by DC Saviour on Feb 19, 2012 3:57 PM EST up reply actions  

sorry for the double question.

my internet was going crazy last night and i thought the first question didnt go threw

by munson21502 on Feb 19, 2012 11:48 PM EST up reply actions  

can u do one on that CB from iowa state?

cant remember his name but he was on blackmon like flys on crap in their upset win over OK state

by munson21502 on Feb 19, 2012 4:50 AM EST reply actions  

If you can remember his name

I can look to see if there’s any footage of him.

by UkRedskin on Feb 19, 2012 1:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Kiper and McShay both say Osweiler could end up going at the end of the 1st round, maybe top of the 2nd. Kiper has him as the 3rd best QB right now.

by skinsfan76 on Feb 19, 2012 2:00 PM EST reply actions  

Their just writing it to gain more views.

It is like this every year before the combine and draft. reporters say stuff like that to bring in more views which makes them look better. As we get closer to draft time the truth about their opinions on these players will come out and you will see a lot of in the later rounds rise and fall

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by squigums on Feb 19, 2012 3:45 PM EST up reply actions  

My biggest problem with Os

is he throws a ton, I mean ton of flares and screens. I know AZ St likes to use the flare in place of the more traditional toss, but these types of throws really help to inflate his numbers(especially Comp%)

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by Tiller56 on Feb 19, 2012 5:10 PM EST reply actions  

Yup, hate it.

So annoying. Gabbert’s offense in college had a lot of those throws and it bugged the hell out of me because it really shows nothing of the quarterback’s ability.

by UkRedskin on Feb 19, 2012 5:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes,much like Gabbert

I watched a lot of stuff on Os over the last month, and every time I do, I just come away with more questions. The kid sure has some nice measurables, but something with his game does not add up right.

BTW, nice post Uk

R.I.P JVP 1926-2012

by Tiller56 on Feb 19, 2012 9:18 PM EST up reply actions  

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