Offseason Position Primers: Defensive Backs
For my third entry in the series I present you a review of the Redskins cornerbacks and safeties, which could be an area of the team that has a ton of turnover in the offseason. Lets take a look at where we left off in 2011.
CB - D. Hall/J. Wilson/P. Buchanon (FA)/K. Barnes (FA)/B. Westbrook/B. Thompson: Wilson is back and Hall is probably 95% sure to be back as well, as much as some Skins fans might like to see him go. So, our #1 and #2 will be retained, but Buchanon and Barnes most likely will not. Westbrook and Thompson could be back, but we could also upgrade depth there. They provide decent depth and Westbrook excels on special teams, but neither one is capable of stepping into the nickel role at this point. Lets take a look at the top available players:
FA- C. Finnegan (TEN), B. Carr (KC), Tracy Porter (NO), Terrell Thomas (NYG), William Middleton (JAX)
Draft - M. Claiborne (LSU), S. Gilmore (SCAR), C. Hayward (VAND)
We could use our #1 overall on Claiborne, but I've already projected it to be used on a offensive player. Gilmore is a possibility in the 2nd. Hayward is a name I have heard pop up in the later rounds and I have heard some very good things, but don't know much. Honestly the free agent corner market is a buyers market, and if we wait it out and let teams overspend on guys like Brandon Carr, we could end up stealing a young, starting caliber CB a la Josh Wilson in 2011. William Middleton is a very intriguing name with too small a sample size, but could end up being that "Who?" free agency move that ends up paying major dividends (Josh Wilson, again). Thomas is a guy I would love to steal from the Giants and Porter is probably the best of the 3 I like (Porter, Thomas, Middleton). Bruce Allen has a penchant for shrewd moves in his short team, such as stealing Stephen Bowen and Barry Cofield from divisional opponents and I expect he might do the same with Thomas.
FS- O. Atogwe/D. Gomes: Atogwe is a release candidate after a down year, numerous injuries and a 4 million dollar plus cap number. Gomes will definitely be back on his rookie contract and could take over as starter at either safety positions. If we do cut ties with Atogwe, we will have to bring in depth at FS via free agency or the draft. Lets take a look at the top options:
FA- D. Goldson (SF), D. Lowerey (JAX), T. Jackson (TB)
Draft- M. Martin (OSU), W. Guy Jr. (UK), B. Taylor (LSU)
I'd love to cut ties with Atogwe and draft the position. I'm not too intrigued by the free agent prospects here and typically starters can be found at the safety position late in the draft. Taylor is the guy I like most here. Winston Guy would definitely be great too. If either one of them falls into the 4th round we should take them. They both seem pro ready and putting them beside Gomes could be a starting safety tandem for years to come.
SS- L. Landry (FA)/R. Doughty (FA): The likely scenario seems that Landry is gone or that he returns on a discounted one year deal. If Landry stays, then we need to seek out a more reliable backup than Doughty, who has excelled as a situational player (blitzer) but has struggled mightily in coverage and has been a reliability when asked to feel in for Landry for long stretches. I think Landry is most likely gone and I need think retaining Doughty makes much sense either. Neither guy were Shanahan picks, whereas both Free Safeties are. I expect alot of turnover in this position. Lets look at the top options:
FA - Tyvon Branch (OAK), Michael Griffin (TEN), Sean Jones (TB)
Draft- M. Martin (OSU), W. Guy Jr. (UK), B. Taylor (LSU)
Branch is the prize of this group, but I've never been crazy about sinking tons of dough into the safety positions. It seems like a position you can skimp on a little bit, and drafts typically are deep with safety talent, and this one is probably no exception. I listed the same safety prospects here, because if we land one of them, they would most likely start along side Gomes. I am projecting Gomes to be the starter now, although that is far from set in stone. I just feel that with the direction this team is going, starting Gomes makes a whole ton of sense. Sean Jones from Tampa Bay is a guy I could see us bringing in for depth. He has ties to new DB coach Raheem Morris and seeing as we need safety help badly, the marriage just seems to perfect. After drafting Taylor and signing Jones, I'm not sure we make another move at safety, at least nothing major. We may end up keeping more cornerbacks and using them as safety depth in a pinch.
Potential 2012 Defensive Backs:
CB- D. Hall/J. Wilson/T. Thomas/B. Thompson/B. Westbrook
FS- D. Gomes/B. Westbrook
SS- B. Taylor/S. Jones
Not bad, not great either. Having Gomes and Taylor build chemistry and learn the position while the team is in rebuild mode has exciting potential for the future of the safety position. I don't love Hall as the #1 corner, but we will probably have to live down his contract for at least another year or so. Besides, Wilson and Thomas might end up being just as good in certain looks within the defense, and that makes for great depth at the position.
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but i must disagree with you on the safety thing. frankly i feel like guessing on the safety spot is not a move we want to make since we already know how our defensive backs act. i would rather keep Landry and Atogwe.
Think of it like this, if we sign Landry to a 1 year deal that incentive heavy, we would essentially be set at SS. if Landry gets injured again we can still draft that late round SS and let him play but we wont be relying on a late round pick all year.
I have love for Gomes too, but i still dont think he is as good as Atogwe, and at the very least its for depth. why spend draft picks and free agent money when you dont have too? pay your players i feel and show them that we wont bail on you after a bad year.
THAT would be the depth we want. the ability to rely on a Gomes or a B. Taylor if our starters go down and not miss a beat.
how would we be set at the safety position if Landry signs a one year deal?
Landry’s been on this team for each of the last two years and we haven’t been ‘set’, and if it is for only one year, than the future is murky at best.
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Have to agree with u here
I think we need to focus more on the CB position and get a playmaker like Carr. With Raheem Morris coaching our ’backs im not too worried about this area. Morris will have this secondary looking twice as good as last year I can guarantee you that!
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I’m starting to think Hall will be cut, and I think barnes will be back. I’d like to keep Landry, let go of OJ, and draft Martin in the 3rd.
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This group is by far the hardest to project going into 2012. Anything could happen here really. I would be all for retaining Landry and Atogwe as I think they good be a beastly pair, but the injuries are just too risk. The roster spots are too valuable at the safety position and keeping someone that is a risk to miss half a season or more due to injury is just not an acceptable risk. It is the same rationale I have for releasing Jamaal Brown. DeAngleo Hall is a guy I would probably want to release, but I have given him the benefit of the doubt because he has been healthy in recent history.
There are other sources of information that you may not have exercised. *Craig Steltz has not been listed at all.
He is a taller safety that would be helpful in defending tall WRs. Steltz rates well in PFF tables.
http://www.csnwashington.com/blog/redskins-talk/post/Top-2012-free-agents-Will-the-Redskins-n?blockID=651506&feedID=6355,
http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2012/01/12/2012-free-agent-tracker/ (ratings by individuals and positions for approximately 60 CBs of which Brandon Carr, Cortland Finnegan, Corey Graham, Brent Grimes, Tim Jennings, William Middleton®, Dimitri Patterson, Lardarius Webb® would be significant. )
http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2012/01/25/2011-tackling-the-safeties/
https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2012/02/12/2011-tackling-the-cornerbacks/
Gomes played SS, not FS!
And Doughty backs up both spots.
Hard to take change reccs from you, when you make mistakes on where current guys play.
I believe I stated Gomes could play either. SS and FS are one of those positions that could potential be interchangeable depending on the type of athlete you have. Any obvious example is that Sean Taylor could have played either spot. But there are plenty of other examples in the NFL today. Gomes could have the type of athletic ability and coverage instincts to play either. I’m not promising anything here. Again, this is probably the most difficult unit to project at this point.
by DCSportsFan28 on Feb 18, 2012 1:14 AM EST up reply actions
he was put in the box because he could NOT handle FS
Doughtly was put there because Gomes was not ready. And saying they are the same, makes no sense. Gomes played in the box.
Show me where I said “They (I assume you mean SS and FS) are the same” and I will be glad to clarify.
by DCSportsFan28 on Feb 18, 2012 5:29 PM EST up reply actions
I'm not even tracking all this stuff...but you said Gomes was a FS!
When Doughty and Gomes were on the field together, Gomes played strong and Doughty played free. And Haslett has said Doughty is better as a SS than FS. That should make it obvious that he coaches did not trust Gomes as a FS!
He was a rookie. He is a safety. I think it would be shortsighted to think that a 23 year old prospect could never play FS in the NFL we he seems to display the athleticism. It takes time to learn these positions, especially within new schemes and especially as a rookie.
by DCSportsFan28 on Feb 20, 2012 2:20 PM EST up reply actions
He did play nickel corner as a junior at Nebraska.
But he played a ton in the box as a senior.
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kevin barnes isn't a free agent this year
but westbrook is a restricted fa. i would assume its more likely then, that barnes stays around another year, while westbrook is let go, if only one of those two is going to be kept.
i also don’t trust gomes to start. at least not yet. i’d keep landry around on a low risk, incentive heavy deal. if he cant play, not a big financial loss, if he can, he’s far better than gomes, doughty or anyone else we have.
Benching Gomes would be a step in the wrong direction in my opinion. He already has gained valuable game experience in his rookie season and played quite well. The key to all of this is that we need to remain dedicated to this rebuild for at least one more year. If you are on the fence about whether or not to start a 23 year old during a rebuild, you might as well just be in favor of it.
by DCSportsFan28 on Feb 18, 2012 5:36 PM EST up reply actions
i dont think bringing landry back is going against rebuilding, i think its just responsible, really. if the contract is right, having him on the roster is worth it, cause we all saw how he can play when healthy. we need that in our secondary again.
i wouldnt say im on the fence at all about gomes starting. i think he definitely needs to remain the backup, get some time in certain packages, and be there in case of injury. rebuilding cant only be about a player’s age, otherwise why would you bother having a guy like london still around?
Fletch is probably going to give you 16 games. Landry is definitely not. With Landry its more about health than age and rebuild value.
by DCSportsFan28 on Feb 20, 2012 2:22 PM EST up reply actions
Brandon Carr may very well be available...
PFT is reporting that Stanford Routt is picking a team, signing a contract today, speculating the most likely suitor being KC. This would allow the Chefs to franchise Bowe, allowing Carr to leave.
Makes him someone I would love to attract to D.C.
Carr will definitely be available, he is non-restricted and Routt was just signed by the Chiefs. If I had my pick of all the FA CBs I would take Carr, but it sounds like he really doesn’t have the skills to live up to the contract he is going to receive.
I'm confused...
it sounds like he really doesn’t have the skills to live up to the contract he is going to receive
and yet,
I would take Carr
So, why? I think he is young, talented, bigger than our two starting DBs.
Status quo, meaning take the dollar signs and salary cap considerations out of the equation, I would choose Carr over any of the other CBs on the open market. Unfortunately, we will have to consider those things.
by DCSportsFan28 on Feb 20, 2012 9:54 PM EST up reply actions
understood...
but what is the source indicating he doesn’t have the skills to live up to the contract? Most evaluations I have read, indicate an above average DB (WalterFootball, PFF, etc.)
Yes, he will ask for a lot of $$$$, but he will most definitely be worth it. Especially, since contracts can be structured to even out the signing bonus, keeping his salary cap figure lower than the actual costs.
Yea I guess you’re right. But if all that is true and we have all the cap room we do, than we should be locks to get him. And I just don’t know if that’s going to be the case.
Would you cut Hall if Carr is brought in? Or keep Hall/Wilson/Carr? Which 2 play in the base package?
by DCSportsFan28 on Feb 20, 2012 11:23 PM EST up reply actions
I would too because he does have good skills
but he might be too expensive

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