Who will we be pursuing this FA 2012?
by skinsdag on Feb 14, 2012 5:25 PM EST
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| Player | 2011 Team | Position | Age |
|---|---|---|---|
| 1. Drew Brees |
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QB | 33 |
| 2. Carl Nicks |
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G | 27 |
| 3. Ray Rice |
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RB | 25 |
| 4. Arian Foster (Restricted) |
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RB | 26 |
| 5. Mario Williams |
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DE/LB | 27 |
| 6. Cortland Finnegan |
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CB | 28 |
| 7. Calais Campbell |
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DE | 26 |
| 8. Matt Forte |
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RB | 26 |
| 9. Jermichael Finley |
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TE | 25 |
| 10. Cliff Avril |
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DE | 26 |
| 11. Mike Wallace (Restricted) |
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WR | 26 |
| 12. Dwayne Bowe |
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WR | 27 |
| 13. Vincent Jackson |
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WR | 29 |
| 14. Ben Grubbs |
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G | 28 |
| 15. Marques Colston |
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WR | 29 |
| 16. Lardarius Webb (Restricted) |
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CB | 26 |
| 17. Robert Mathis |
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DE | 31 |
| 18. Wes Welker |
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WR | 31 |
| 19. Stephen Tulloch |
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LB | 27 |
| 20. Curtis Lofton |
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LB | 26 |
| 21. Matt Flynn |
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QB | 27 |
| 22. Marshawn Lynch |
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RB | 26 |
| 23. John Abraham |
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DE | 34 |
| 24. Brent Grimes |
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CB | 29 |
| 25. Anthony Spencer |
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LB | 28 |
| 26. Brodrick Bunkley |
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DT | 28 |
| 27. DeSean Jackson |
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WR |
25 |
| 28. Steve Johnson |
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WR | 26 |
| 29. Carlos Rogers |
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CB | 31 |
| 30. Paul Soliai |
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DT | 28 |
| 31. D’Qwell Jackson |
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LB | 28 |
| 32. Cory Redding |
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DE | 31 |
| 33. Alex Smith |
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QB | 28 |
| 34. Brandon Carr |
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CB | 26 |
| 35. David Hawthorne |
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LB | 27 |
| 36. Evan Mathis |
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G | 30 |
| 37. Jeremy Mincey |
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DE | 28 |
| 38. Tyvon Branch |
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S | 25 |
| 39. Chris Meyers |
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C | 30 |
| 40. Reggie Wayne |
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WR | 33 |
| 41. Brandon Lloyd |
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WR | 31 |
| 42. Jarrett Johnson |
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LB | 31 |
| 43. Peyton Hillis |
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RB | 26 |
| 44. Scott Wells |
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C | 31 |
| 45. Michael Griffin |
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S | 27 |
| 46. Laurent Robinson |
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WR | 27 |
| 47. Michael Bush |
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RB | 28 |
| 48. Jared Gaither |
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OT | 26 |
| 49. LaRon Landry |
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S | 27 |
| 50. Sione Pouha |
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DT 33 |
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Of the list..REALISTICALLY
I think the ONLY people to consider are:
Nicks, Finnegan, Campbell Bowe, Grubbs, Colston, Soliai, Jackson, Carr, Hawthorne, Branch, Myers, Landry
and Hillis bc he’s shanny’s guy ( i think )
I truly hope we have nothing to do with Finnegan
He is such a jackass.
by mbedner on Feb 15, 2012 10:34 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Graduated from my high school's most hated rival
As did Lawrence Tynes. Cortland is less of an ass now, if you can believe it.
by tuckwell on Feb 15, 2012 12:10 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Hillis is a definite NO GO...
not with our RB committee solidified three deep – Helu, Royster and resigned cheaply Hightower.
we need to get at least THIS
A good CB like Carr, a #1 wide receiver who would benefit the game of every other WR on the team as well as the TE’s like BOWE, I say maybe re-sign LANDRY to a two year deal with lots of incentives. IF not then get a S idk if Griffin plays SS but Please no DOUGHTY he is only a backup and finally we need some help on the line. I think we need to pick up at least two Offensive Linemen. We should go with the approach given last year. Not go after a BIG name but rather somebody who is good but not expensive. Continue the tradition of hard working keep mouth shut type players like Cofield. We need to continue the idea of having a young team
skinsdag
Thank you for putting this together. It give fans a good visual, and perspective of some possible targets.
My top 5 would be:
Nicks
Bowe
D Jackson
C. Campbell
Gaither – I’ll explain this one
I thought Gaither played very well after he was picked up by San Diego. I watched a lot of Charger games last season, and every time I focused on him, I was like “damn, why couldn’t we have put in a claim on this guy”. I don’t think our staff will persue him, as I feel we could have had him if we wanted during the season last year, but I’d be happy if we gave him a shot, considering there are few OT’s in the FA market this year.
R.I.P JVP 1926-2012
I am a little surprised you are interested in DJax....
He definitely seems to have some attitude issues. (well, he seems like a flat jack-ass to me). He is going to want to get seriously paid. Yes, he is a serious threat when on the field, and it would truly be nice to have a player in a Redskins uniform that is a threat to score anytime from anywhere, but I’m just not feeling it with DJax. I can even live with the diva-ness in a talented WR (you almost have to), but I seem to remember him taking plays off, particularly in times of adversity. I have a real hard time with this. Also, although I might be mistaken on this one, I believe I remember him throwing a couple of teammates under the bus in the media last year. I take a pass on this guy.
"Please don't dominate the rap, Jack, if you got nothin' new to say."-Robert Hunter
I'm interested because he is dynamic
and we don’t have anyone of his calibur on this team at WR. He’s young, talented, and would come from a division foe.
Yes, the man had an attitude problem last year, but he just wanted to get a fair contract. The Eagles did him wrong, by going out and signing all those big money FA, yet failing to take care of their own. I don’t blame D Jax one bit for being upset. He’s not a big guy, but until this season, he has layed it all on the line for this team. He’s one hit away from being out of the game, and if I were him, I’d want my money too; god knows he’s proven his worth.
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it sounds like the Eagles are going to tag Jackson so it's probably a moot point
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some talk is they are only doing it to trade him
but i wouldn’t be pissed, most franchise players don’t give up during the season (he wants to hold out of OTA’s that is fine, you don’t quit on your team during the year). He’s going to get a $9.5 million guarantee and if the Eagles aren’t trading him, that means they have a lot of incentive to work out a long term deal or it eats up all their cap room.
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by Steve Shoup on Feb 15, 2012 11:36 AM EST up reply actions
so it's great for us - the Iggles spend a lot of money AND piss him off so he plays poorly
I’m OK with that as I don’t like his attitude anyway. In the long run not having bad attitudes around is worth more than having talent.
I agree with your point.....
But it’s not like he was a high character guy before the contract issues came up, and you don’t express your displeasure by slacking in the game. I also don’t view WR to be as much of an immediate need right now. We are bringing in a new QB, Hank n Paul have had a year in the system, Gafney is solid, and I think Moss will play better in a more limited role.
"Please don't dominate the rap, Jack, if you got nothin' new to say."-Robert Hunter
I would have to disagree
I think a true #1 is a huge need. We don’t have one, and we haven’t had one for a while. A guy like Bowe could do wonders, especially for a young QB.
Personally, I though Moss regressed a lot in 2011. That was one of the main reasons I was against re-signing him in the first place. Gaffney had a nice year, but he a possession guy, and nothing more. He’s not going to give you more than 3-5 TD’s(and that’s if we are lucky). The rest are all unknowns.
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I agree 100% that Moss regressed this year.....
I also think that he is true competitor, and I am still glad we retained him.
I really think we need to see what Hank and Paul can do. I am quite sure that you are not even betting on the Skins having a winning record this year so lets see what these kids can do. QB, OL and secondary are our biggest needs. If we address these and things start to gel, we can go out and get a stud if we still feel we need one. If we hit right on QB, we wont.
"Please don't dominate the rap, Jack, if you got nothin' new to say."-Robert Hunter
IDK Magic
I think with the right pieces, we could have a winning record this season.
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good to hear......
been through a lot as a Redskins fan…euphoric, heartbreaking……and a whole lot of WTF, it’s been quite a while since I felt this much on the verge of legitimacy.
"Please don't dominate the rap, Jack, if you got nothin' new to say."-Robert Hunter
you must be assuming we pick up RG III or Manning then
as the QB play we got last year isn’t going to cut it.
I don't see Jackson as that true number 1 though
he’s not a complete player like a speed guy like Steve Smith (car.) or Mike Wallace. He’s got bad ball awareness and doesn’t have the best hands. In the right offense he’s electric, but on a rebuilding team where he has to work with a young QB, and he’s the top threat could be trouble.
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by Steve Shoup on Feb 15, 2012 11:38 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Your very possibly correct(and this is a very good observation)
but you have to say, he’d certainly be an upgrade to anything we have
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oh without a doubt
i just don’t think he’s a good fit for the Skins. He’s not the type of receiver i want to break a rookie QB in with, that’s for sure.
Steveospeak - Content Manager of Fanspeak.com
Only thing I can see with him
is if we were to land Griffin, who obviously has a huge arm, it would be fun to watch D Jax run behind defenses, and have a QB who could actually get him the ball.
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but Jackson would have no way of knowing that
again he’s likely to be franchised, but if not my guess is he might go back to a Cali team (SF or SD).
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by Steve Shoup on Feb 16, 2012 11:39 AM EST up reply actions
I had thrown out the idea of Gaither...
on a previous post, posted just after the season ended. My thought was playing him at LT, and moving TW to RT. JG is larger than I believe Shanny wants, has extensive health issues, but he did come from the Baltimore connection (I believe our OL coach comes from their system, having intimate knowledge of these guys, aka Chester last year and perhaps Grubbs this year.).
I guess it all depends on how shanny decides to address our QB situation. If he decides to go after Manning, and ends up getting him, I think we will see him build more through the draft. If he goes after Griffin, we will have to rebuild via free agency. Either way the one guy I think they need to go after is Grubbs.
When I was a kid, my father told me, "Never hit anyone in anger, unless you're absolutely sure you can get away with it." -Russell Ziskey
I went with five...
If we were to release D. Hall, signing Carr would almost be considered a push.
So I would target – Grubbs, Myers for the OL, and Soliai, Branch for the defense.
I would still consider lower, second tier FAs, like RT Richardson, 26 yrs. old, 6’6" 319lbs. and MLB Larry Grant, 25 yrs. old, 6’1" 250lbs., who has been backing up Patrick Willis in SF 3-4 defense, filling in nicely when Willis has been injured.
These signings, along with a draft (whether we get RG3 or not) would solidify this team dramatically, providing starters and, most important, depth.
just a side point...
my suggestions mostly are 30th or lower, on this list, with the exception being Grubbs (#14). So, I appreciate not throwing money at the BIGGEST names out there.
I'm on board with your top 5, though i will be shocked if Branch is allowed to hit the open market
Raiders need to clear some cap space, but the word is if they don’t re-sign Branch prior to FA they will tag him.
As for the 2nd tier i’m against Richardson, he’s struggled too much. One 2nd tier RT option i really like is Anthony Collins from Cincy. He’s mostly been a fill in guy, but every time he’s more than held is own at both LT and RT, even when he was forced to start a few games as a rookie four years ago. He’s never started more than a few games at a time, so there are some questions, but I think he’s a great insurance policy and could push our tackle need down some.
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by Steve Shoup on Feb 15, 2012 11:44 AM EST up reply actions
I will have to look him up...
I love it when a guy is taken BEFORE he becomes great. Especially FAs, because they have a couple of years of experience to bring.
If we didn’t get Branch, I am o.k. I only suggest due to our exorborant stash of cash, so we could afford it. But it is not imperative.
no i agree with you i'm fine with Branch, i just have zero expectation of him being available
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As for Collins for what its worth
over the last two years in 240 pass blocking snaps he’s given up 0 sacks, 0 hits, and just 4 pressures. By comparison in 151 pass blocking snaps this year WIllie Smith gave up 3 sacks, 10 hits and 7 pressures. Obviously Collins had more experience and most of that work came at RT, but we need both that experience and a RT.
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Nice...
now your evaluations are starting to pay off. We may not agree on moving up/down in the draft, but at least we have the same type of players we are looking for in FA.
Could the Skins afford the 7 players mentioned (Carr, Grubbs, Myers, Soliai, Branch, Collins and Grant)? Given we resign our own FA – Hightower, Monty, Licht, Fletch, Carriker? And getting rid of D. Hall and J. Brown for salary cap savings…
the short answer is yes
the long answer is it would have to take some creative cap management to ensure it didn’t hurt us long term, but its not impossible.
The two re-signings that would be questionable would be Monty, since you are bringing back Grubbs, Myers and Licht (albeit for a year since he is an RFA), you might not be able to afford that $2-3 million a year. And carriker as well. You’d have to get him back at what he is worth (rotational player $3.5 million a year) and not what he thinks he’s worth (starter- $5.5-6.5 million a year).
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Nice list, and we probably could afford them
But I remember last year, when the HH GM exercise came up with a terrific list of acquisitions that we could afford, and probably would have resulted in a winning season. But the heavy thinkers in the front office did not acquire any of them. Not one. So I dread a repeat of last year – everybody waiting for the fireworks to start, and we wait, and we wait – and nothing happens.
actually that list wasn't too terrific
guys like Davin Joseph (horrible fit for us) and some other poor choices were made
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Well, you disagreed with that one, but what about the list as a whole?
General comment, not toward (the very knowledgeable) Steve in particular: The bigger question is, should the Skins always run terrified of picking a big name, or “high priced free agent”? Shouldn’t they get the best players they can afford (assuming they fit your system, aren’t too old, or injured, etc).
Should they pass on Nicks, Grubbs, Bowe, VJax… or the others on the various lists, just because they are well known? Or “high priced”? They have the money, why not use it? I don’t argue with any particular decision – it’s just the general pattern of going with second raters. That said, they haven’t done anything yet, and the proof of the pudding will be in the team they build. They might do very well. I was just lamenting that they weren’t more aggressive last year.
and sadly, many bloggers do not do there research...
they just see the name, and vote for the biggest one. System plays an enormous factor into who we sign.
jgibbsfan1 -
there were hundreds of votes on that list. The collective wisdom of HH. You must not think much of the people on HH. This year, a number of posters have listed their desired FAs and draftees (Nicks, Grubbs, Bowe, the Jackson boys…). Do you think the Skins ought to take at least one or two of them?
yes...
hopefully, there is no offense with my previous comment. I realize we all voted. Since most of us are “just fans”, we aren’t in the business of talent evaluation, of draftable players or FA. Often times, the choices made available to us to vote on were usually the top names. I understand that.
The fun in all of it is to see if we as fans evaluate the team the same as the FO does, and seeing if they sign who we vote for. In the end, we still are just fans, giving our opinions in such a venue as this.
BTW, I think HIGHLY of everyone here at HH (except Jeff, for apparent reason, haha).
I thought we did very well in FA last year
We have had the fireworks in the past & it has never turned out well. Look at how Philadelphia did with all of their big name FA signings added to a team that was pretty good before the signings.
They did pretty well on defense but next to nothing on offense
In particular, almost nothing at WR or the O-line (Chester is OK, but nothing special). The list wasn’t supposed to be big names. It was the consensus opinion of HH on the best available FAs. Many of the FAs were widely discussed. HH added things up and deduced that the Skins could afford all or most of them. i’d hardly expect the Skins to have taken all of them, but I did expect to see a couple of them. After Chester, there was nothing until Locklear. And you may remember that they were playing a 7th rounder and an UDFA at times in the season.
If you don’t pick anybody from a list of the best available players, how do you build your team? Has anybody figured out that “you get what you pay for”? That players are high priced because they are good? That good players usually cost more than mediocre players?
BEEF!!!!!
I think Coefield played O.K. @ NT, but his talent is penetration, shedding blocks, which I believe to be better utilized on 3rd down. On 1st/2nd, I think the NT needs to eat up space/blocks, making the run defense exceptional.
If we signed him, he is at the nose, Coefield @ RE and Carriker @ LE, with JJ and Bowen as the pressure rushers/rotation.
I don't think Coefield is a DE type
He’s shorter, and more stocky, and Hass likes his DE’s tall. I think they really wanted that penetrator at the NT position, vs the typical space eater. Hass hand picked Coefield, so I think they have what they want.
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without question...
and I doubt we will pick up a NT like Soliai. I am just promoting “if I were running the show” stuff…
Cincy plays a power run blocking scheme
where they like to pulls guys, and trap the interior. Would Collins fit into our scheme?
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well there will obviously be an adjustment in the terminology (which is why Myers would be so nice)
but Collins was always far better as a pass blocker in Cincy and he struggled in his run blocking (though far better than what we have). Now he has gotten pretty decent marks for his athletic ability going back to the draft in 2008. I think he’d be a nice fit in the zbs, but def. could be a period of adjustment
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by Steve Shoup on Feb 16, 2012 12:02 PM EST up reply actions
don't even think about Richardson for RT - he's been awful
I’m also a Chiefs fan and Richardson hasn’t impressed anyone. I’m all for signing Bowe or Carr (or both) but don’t even consider Richardson.
great info...
I knew very little about Richardson or Grant, but they were lesser names I was just throwing out there to see if a more affordable options could be considered.
I'm good with that....
Success depends on if they hit on QB.
"Please don't dominate the rap, Jack, if you got nothin' new to say."-Robert Hunter
Except for Dwayne Bowe and Brandon Carr, these should be some moderately priced free agents and all are
positions of need.
QB: Drew Stanton S: Craig Steltz, CB: Brent Grimes, Brandon Carr OL: Demetrius Bell WR: Dwayne Bowe
sorry to inform you...
but Grimes and Bell are not going to be “moderate”. Grimes is considered by most to be the top DB available, and Bell benefits from a depleted OT FAs.
Bell is a better pick up than Gather but they are rated near the same. Bell did have injuries in 2011. Also Soliai was a
franchised player in 2011. “Could the Skins afford the 7 players mentioned” – the Skins can afford those that you questioned Steve about above a lot than Bell and Grimes. Haha. We need these kind of players more than risks.
by Jefferson1935 on Feb 15, 2012 6:35 PM EST up reply actions
Why is Drew Stanton
A “position of need”? Why do we need another below average QB? May as well keep Rex.
Where do they teach you to talk like this? In some Panama City "Sailor wanna hump-hump" bar, or is it getaway day and your last shot at his whiskey? Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.
I understand your repulsion of Rex...
but if we trade up for RG3, Shanny will bring back Rex for, at the very least, backup, given his knowledge of the offense and relationship with Kyle. I think he is dependable BACKUP, nothing more.
Rex has to be my least favorite QB in the NFL
It used to be McNabb when he was an Eagle, but Rex has officially taken over that role. Isn’t there any other backup we could bring in?……………………..I’ll take anyone but Rex.
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sorry for you...
but like you mentioned above (in reference to Coefield), they are going to bring in who they want.
So you will have to endure with Rex, while I endure what I perceive to be an upgrade need @ NT…
The Skins are going to need around three QBs before the cutdowns in September. Stanton was a 2nd round pick
and off 3 QBs on the Lions roster. He was mobile in college. Since Stafford did not suffer the injuries in 2011 that he did in the previous two years, his backups did not need to play much if at all. The Lions were short on OL and their QBs had a lot of pressure. This was not the ideal circumstances for Stanton to develop IMO. Stanton does have NFL experience even if it was mainly the practice field. As a starter (transition) or backup Stanton is better than Beck as well as a few other backups. Teams need quality backup at the QB position.
by Jefferson1935 on Feb 17, 2012 8:00 PM EST up reply actions
On the list above - I'd guess one or zero
They just don’t want to spend money, and just hope to get “diamonds in the rough”, and develop young players. I’d also guess they will not get Manning, Flynn or RG3. This great plan may lead us to the playoffs in 2015 or 2016.
V jax Vjax and Vjax
He is the best available player in the world right now.
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