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Redskins Marketing Geniuses Need to Focus on Marketing #6 Overall Draft Pick

I liken the Redskins marketing department to a hard-up husband who turns to his wife every single night and asks, "Do you wanna?" On behalf of all the husbands out there, I'd like to think that we have a bit more pride than the folks who came up with "R U In?" Then again, what better analogy is there for a balding dude whose ever-growing gut is being outpaced only by his ever-growing libido than the group whose job it is to monetize the loyalty and passion of a fanbase?

(I will conveniently refrain from commiserating with the married women out there, or "understanding the plight" of the constantly barraged wife. The difference between husbands and the Redskins marketers is that we husbands are just "making ourselves available" while the other group is clearly forcing itself upon the fanbase in a sometimes uninvited and unwarranted fashion. After all, when a husband gives his wife a Christmas card, how many times has she opened it to find an advertisement for Audi? Nice move, Dan.)

One thing I will say for the folks over in the Redskins marketing group: they are tenacious. That is exactly what we need as we make preparations for the draft in April. The #6 overall draft spot isn't always the catbird's seat. Last year though, it turned out to be, as Cleveland parlayed it into a very nice collection of picks from Atlanta for the right to draft Julio Jones. There will be at least a few guys available at #6 that the Redskins should have no problem finding a team interested in come April. Names like Trent Richardson, Justin Blackmon, Robert Griffin III and Morris Claiborne are all capable of landing the Redskins a comparable package to what Cleveland received from Atlanta last year.

Star-divide

While I do see the value in keeping the pick and taking the best guy we can get there, remember that Cleveland netted an additional first rounder and two additional second rounders to trade down in the first round (along with a pair of fourth round picks). That is potentially four starters for the price of one. If we believe in Bruce Allen's ability to find talent in the first four rounds the way he did last year, this is a no-brainer.

Further, with no Matt Barkley in the draft, the price of RG3 goes up a little bit if he slips to our spot. We could still pick up a quality quarterback later in the first round or at the the top of the second if Shanahan decides not to pursue any free agent signal callers. Simply put, we are not an RG3 away from winning. There are going to be options later in the first round and in the second round that will represent not only upgrades from what we have, but also bright futures in the NFL.

And for those of you who are beyond frightened about passing up some of the talent at the top of this draft, remember that the Redskins have money to spend this offseason. Regardless of how you feel about free agency, the money will get spent, and so ideally it will get spent to fill at least one of the glaring holes that could have been plugged with the #6 overall pick.

I am not suggesting we trade back so we can build around Rex Grossman. We need to take a step forward at the quarterback position.

I am not suggesting we trade back to avoid making a mistake on RG3. He appears to be an incendiary talent.

I am not suggesting we trade back because there will be nobody available at #6 who can help us.

I am suggesting that trading down in the first round--and the resulting package of picks we would get in return--would put our rebuilding process into overdrive. It would be like a turbo boost to the development of our roster, as well as our long-term prospects.

At some point, we will be able to fall in love with a guy at the top of a draft, bring him to D.C. and call it a day. We are not there yet. Today, we need to find another team who is in love with a guy available at #6, and then we have to pound the phones with the consistent message of: "Do you wanna (trade)?"

I can just see it now:

R U In(terested in our #6 pick)?

Get to work guys.

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R U In?

"That’s what she said"… sorry I couldn’t resist
truly though, that was a very sorry ad campaign. I would expect better from a "marketing genius" such as Dan Snyder is reputed to be.

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by Skins Fan '77 on Jan 4, 2012 11:10 AM EST reply actions  

And see, that's why the analogy didn't work.

R U in is what the girl says after some poor shlub says “Do you wanna?”

No Danny, Nooooooo - Tom Landry, 1982., and Washington Redskins fans, 1999-

by BillWard on Jan 4, 2012 12:57 PM EST up reply actions  

I feel really bad for you

if a woman has ever had to ask you that.

by TheDeepBall on Jan 4, 2012 3:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Good post Ken, but my only problem is who is going to be that coveted guy at #6 that is going to make a team trade.
  • If RG3 is on the board then we have to take him, there would be a fan revolt if not.
  • You have to think Blackmon will be gone
  • I don’t see someone trading up to get Claiborne when Kirkpatrick could be just a valuable.

Richardson is the biggest wild card if he’s still on the board, but who is going to trade up? Look at who is directly behind us: Jacksonville, Carolina, Miami, Buffalo, Kansas City, Seattle, Arizona, Dallas, Philly

The only team that could possibly need a RB out of that crop is Seattle if they find Lynch to be too expensive. Then maybe the Jets look at a RB? LT probably isn’t coming back.

The only trade candidates that I see right now are:

  • Jets, 16th overall: Because they are dumb, but need to solidify the run game for Sanchez to be successful
  • Bengals, 22nd & 25th pick: Benson isn’t getting any younger and primetime back would be huge for Dalton. Brown is super stingy though.
  • Browns, 25th overall: Maybe they want to add a toy for RG3?

I don’t see another player triggering a trade up, and the question is why wouldn’t one of these three teams just deal with the nine teams behind us for a much cheaper price?

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by Parks Smith on Jan 4, 2012 11:15 AM EST reply actions  

Flynn or Manning

are the only way I see Washington trading down. I think they’ll either do what it takes for RG3, or acquire one of those two. I don’t see any other viable options at QB for next year.

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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Jan 4, 2012 11:18 AM EST up reply actions  

But you would have to grab Flynn or Manning before the draft, it can't be Plan B.

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by Parks Smith on Jan 4, 2012 11:19 AM EST up reply actions  

They will either sign Flynn or Trade up for Luck or Griffin.

I don’t see any other options.

I see it as more cushion for the pushin'

by iH8dallas on Jan 4, 2012 11:20 AM EST up reply actions  

+1

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by Parks Smith on Jan 4, 2012 11:22 AM EST up reply actions  

What vision

the vision to make an inferior player your QB? Been doing that for years.

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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Jan 4, 2012 11:24 AM EST up reply actions  

I think Ken is saying that we need to keep our options open

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by Parks Smith on Jan 4, 2012 11:24 AM EST up reply actions  

That phrase is anathema to me

after hearing Carmelo Anthony use it about a million times last season. Puke.

Formerly KS and CS

by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Jan 4, 2012 11:25 AM EST up reply actions  

problem is

the option has closed or is closing for the shanahans… we all know snyder was a fan before he bought the team. you think it isnt killing him inside to just sit here and watch rex and beck be our only options at qb? only otions shanahan has left is a good qb… either it be one of the best back ups or a good looking first round rookie. if he doesnt have at least a one or the other we all will be waiting for news of our next coach this time next year. he has to have a plan to either sign flynn and trade down in the first or have plans to trade up for luck or griffen… i cant see him passing on flynn then be stuck drafting a second round qb with our first round pick and leave us with rex another year going 8-8 at best. while we hope that second round qb gets as good as rex the year after.

by munson21502 on Jan 4, 2012 1:13 PM EST up reply actions  

I understand the vision this team has.

The defense is good.

The young RBs are there.

The o-line is coming together.

The fact that we don’t have a good QB is so obvious to everyone around the league.

I see it as more cushion for the pushin'

by iH8dallas on Jan 4, 2012 11:24 AM EST up reply actions  

I don't see

How you can say the offensive line is coming together when it was clearly coming apart most of the year

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by Skins Fan '77 on Jan 4, 2012 11:26 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Or that the defense is good

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by Parks Smith on Jan 4, 2012 11:26 AM EST up reply actions  

The question is

what is the biggest problem area on the team? Far and away, it is the QB. They must address that this year, and possibly with more than one player. The current team would have won the division with a competent QB.

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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Jan 4, 2012 11:28 AM EST up reply actions  

EXACTLY

I see it as more cushion for the pushin'

by iH8dallas on Jan 4, 2012 11:29 AM EST up reply actions  

This is true

but they should be trying. Every year until they get one.

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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Jan 4, 2012 11:58 AM EST up reply actions  

So you trade up every year to get the top college QB?

How many times could you do that before you’re completely out of draft picks for eternity?

by StephanHart on Jan 4, 2012 11:59 AM EST up reply actions  

I think we have to ask Matt Millen about that

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by Skins Fan '77 on Jan 4, 2012 12:00 PM EST up reply actions  

When did I say trade up every year

Most years, there is a franchise type guy available at a bad teams draft spot. Washington passed on them twice last year. This year, they may have to trade up a little to get in position, but this three first rounders to move up two spots stuff is crap.

Formerly KS and CS

by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Jan 4, 2012 12:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Okay

1. dont you agree that it’s a good thing the Redskins passed on Gabbert and Ponder?

2. As for the cost of trading up for RG3 and Luck, we will see the cost on draft day. I’m guessing it will be high than you think

by StephanHart on Jan 4, 2012 12:17 PM EST up reply actions  

They also passed on Dalton

Yes, you might get a bust if you draft a QB. You are guaranteed to have a crappy QB if you never draft one. Luck isn’t in the equation because Indy is going to draft him.

Formerly KS and CS

by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Jan 4, 2012 12:31 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm on record

that I liked Dalton. Not that that means anything, as that was purely based on his Jon Gruden interview. The record is clear that about half of the prospects bust, but I am putting faith in Shannahan to have more knowledge than you or I. You have to factor in that a lot of QB’s are drafted by incompetents. Shanahan and Allen are not incompetent.

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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Jan 4, 2012 12:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Agreed

My point is that it’s impossible to know which means it is NOT advisable to trade a bunch of picks away for a prospect when you have a team with a lot of holes, thats all

by StephanHart on Jan 4, 2012 12:37 PM EST up reply actions  

How about two picks?

Would you give a first and a third for RG3 and a fifth?

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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Jan 4, 2012 12:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Why would the Browns do that?

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by Parks Smith on Jan 4, 2012 12:41 PM EST up reply actions  

I think you can answer the question

Without asking why the Browns would do that
the answer is… no

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by Skins Fan '77 on Jan 4, 2012 12:42 PM EST up reply actions  

because they pick up the player they want

at 6, pay him less, and get a third rounder for their time.

Formerly KS and CS

by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Jan 4, 2012 12:47 PM EST up reply actions  

the defense is good?

did you fire Haslett?

We were 21st in points allowed which quite frankly is THE stat that matters the most for a defense, 13th in yards allowed, and 17th in yards per play. At best we have an average defense.

The OL is better but after a decade of neglect is still needs some help.

But I agree that QB is by far our most important hole to fill.

by aFan4Life on Jan 4, 2012 2:01 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

OMG! You're looking at it in a vacuum!

Rex turning it over = the defense getting scored on more often and tiring out.

I see it as more cushion for the pushin'

by iH8dallas on Jan 4, 2012 2:04 PM EST up reply actions  

no it isn't

the game is really simple. If you score and your defense keeps them from scoring you win. The main job of the defense is to prevent the other team from scoring and turnovers are just another way to do that.

by aFan4Life on Jan 4, 2012 8:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Rex was the QB of playoff teams that had good defenses

Chicago bears, you might have heard of them? They went to the playoffs with Rex at the helm. But they DID have a good defense. Ours is mediocre.

by aFan4Life on Jan 4, 2012 8:06 PM EST up reply actions  

no, it isn't on all Rex, you're ridiculous

the defense just isn’t that good. All of the problems on the entire team don’t fall on 1 guys shoulders. There are teams with better defenses that have worse QBs. You’re just trying to drum up more reasons to trade away all of our draft picks for Luck or RG III.

The FACTS are that our time of possession is nearly identical to our opponents: TIME OF POSSESSION Redskins 30:26, Opponents 30:08

In fact we have an advantage.

by aFan4Life on Jan 4, 2012 8:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Context is irrelevant.

Your fanalogical distinctiveness will be added to our own. Resistance is fudel.

by Bullet Nation in Exile on Jan 5, 2012 9:03 AM EST up reply actions  

I dont think as much as you think Ken

because shan said in an interview recently he believes he has two years. and if he cant produce, he will be gone.

That pretty much knocks out a developmental QB that isnt ready to play in year 1.

by les boulez bomber on Jan 4, 2012 1:28 PM EST up reply actions  

That is cutting it kinda close. I feel he gets one for this year.

by les boulez bomber on Jan 4, 2012 1:35 PM EST up reply actions  

ummm... my plan had a young QB in year 1

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by Parks Smith on Jan 4, 2012 2:26 PM EST up reply actions  

I missed something then. I thought you got your guy in 2013.

by les boulez bomber on Jan 4, 2012 2:32 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah I think he has too

people think Shanahan has endless years to start winning seasons but in reality Snyder isn’t going to wait forever. For heavens sake, they couldn’t even say the word rebuilding when Shanahan took over – does that sound like a realistic or patient owner?

by aFan4Life on Jan 4, 2012 8:08 PM EST up reply actions  

yes!

I hate this binary mentality! Luck, RGIII and Flynn aren’t the only available QBs who are going to be successful in the NFL – the hard part is figuring out who will pan out. Turns out we have scouts who are paid to figure that out – who knew?

by aFan4Life on Jan 4, 2012 1:57 PM EST up reply actions  

I bet either of those things don't happen, at this point

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by Parks Smith on Jan 4, 2012 11:22 AM EST up reply actions  

Can't do game bets, I'm too vital to this operation, the whole site would have to shut down.

It would be like that ESPN Y2K commercial with Ken playing the part of Charlie Steiner.

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by Parks Smith on Jan 4, 2012 11:27 AM EST up reply actions  

I understand

you lack the courage of your convictions that Ih8 clearly has.

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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Jan 4, 2012 11:29 AM EST up reply actions  

Who doesn't

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by Parks Smith on Jan 4, 2012 11:30 AM EST up reply actions  

Not necessarily

Either one of those guys could still be unsigned after the draft

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by Skins Fan '77 on Jan 4, 2012 11:21 AM EST up reply actions  

Yea...umm... that's definitely not going to happen.

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by Parks Smith on Jan 4, 2012 11:22 AM EST up reply actions  

Not likely.

I see it as more cushion for the pushin'

by iH8dallas on Jan 4, 2012 11:22 AM EST up reply actions  

I can dream can't I.?

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by Skins Fan '77 on Jan 4, 2012 11:24 AM EST up reply actions  

Don't forget that between now and the draft, the top of the board is going to change

There is a lot of time for the combine and free agency to help teams fall in and out of love with players. At #6, there will be a guy there that a team will consider moving up for. That shouldn’t be the question. I think the question should be whether or not we will make the best deal available.
Maybe we don’t get exactly what Atlanta got…but if we are creative and willing to deal, there will be something there to consider.

by Ken Meringolo on Jan 4, 2012 11:18 AM EST up reply actions  

I agree that things are going to change A LOT, but I don't think you can assume that there will automatically be a prospect there

that teams are going to be willing to trade up for. 1) There likely won’t be a QB, which usually triggers trade ups. 2) What piece is going to be there that is going to been seen as a “final piece” for a team like Jones last year.

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by Parks Smith on Jan 4, 2012 11:21 AM EST up reply actions  

Not sure what "final piece" might be on the board for some team

But last year, no one saw the Falcons swooping in with a boatload of picks to get Julio Jones as the final piece of their offense.

I think Ken’s point is well taken: If we are able to secure such a trade, it will be hard to pass up, as it could put our rebuild into warp speed

by StephanHart on Jan 4, 2012 11:24 AM EST up reply actions  

I completely agree with both you and Ken. All I'm saying is I don't see it right now.

But like Ken said, a lot will change and anything can happen on draft day.

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by Parks Smith on Jan 4, 2012 11:25 AM EST up reply actions  

But half of us disagree.

Andrew Luck or Robert Griffin would put the rebuild into warp speed.

I see it as more cushion for the pushin'

by iH8dallas on Jan 4, 2012 11:26 AM EST up reply actions  

Who is the half? I see a small minority of vocal individuals.

Who are they going to throw to? Who is going to block? Who is going to do those task in 2-3 years when we’ve squandered our draft picks obtaining them?

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by Parks Smith on Jan 4, 2012 11:28 AM EST up reply actions  

Bray, Barkley, Murray, Tyler Wilson, Thomas next year.

A LOT better crop.

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by Parks Smith on Jan 4, 2012 11:31 AM EST up reply actions  

Then in 2014 there will be another "can't miss" QB crop.

And everyone here will want to trade back and build.

I see it as more cushion for the pushin'

by iH8dallas on Jan 4, 2012 11:32 AM EST up reply actions  

The team is fairly solid.

The schemes are good.

Our team is like a Filet Mignon and Rex Grossman is cheap ketchup that was smothered on it.

Trust me. If we had a decent QB, 10-6 or 9-7 this year and we would be talking about the upcoming playoff game.

I see it as more cushion for the pushin'

by iH8dallas on Jan 4, 2012 11:35 AM EST up reply actions  

Think you are smoking

The same stuff Davis and Williams got a hold of

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by Skins Fan '77 on Jan 4, 2012 11:38 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Really?

The bad QB play and their 30 turnovers didn’t cost us a few games?

I see it as more cushion for the pushin'

by iH8dallas on Jan 4, 2012 11:40 AM EST up reply actions  

Of course it played a part

But if the team was better, you might be able to overcome those.
The offense as a whole has no talent. Quite literally you could make the argument that it needs nine new players to start… why not fill four holes instead of one?

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by Skins Fan '77 on Jan 4, 2012 11:43 AM EST up reply actions  

No way we are that close. We have so many needs still.

I’ll be the first to say that Rex needs to go and we need to find out Franchise QB, but the fact of the matter is we are in an ackward draft position and Flynn probably won’t be our answer. I think we need to substantially improve our Offense and address the remainng holes on Defense.

by mbedner on Jan 4, 2012 11:41 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Holy hell!

Put the ‘91 Hogs in front of Rex, Barry Sanders in the backfield and Randy Moss and Jerry Rice to throw to…and he’ll still underthrow it and cost you games.

I see it as more cushion for the pushin'

by iH8dallas on Jan 4, 2012 11:44 AM EST up reply actions  

We play MIN and STL again. Our division winners get GB and SF!

That is a two win swing to start the season!

by les boulez bomber on Jan 4, 2012 1:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Yea like how we dominated Minnesota and St Louis this year!

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by Parks Smith on Jan 4, 2012 1:57 PM EST up reply actions  

HA!

I like our odds better than GB and SF for sure!

by les boulez bomber on Jan 4, 2012 2:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Seriously, we seem to play St. Louis every year

What is our record against them in the last five years?

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by Skins Fan '77 on Jan 4, 2012 2:32 PM EST up reply actions  

The redskins pick is high enough

that trading up won’t cost a ton. Trading to 4 would cost a third rounder while getting a fifth back.

Formerly KS and CS

by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Jan 4, 2012 11:36 AM EST up reply actions  

I wish people would stop bringing up the Atlanta trade.

They were the #1 overall seed in the NFC last year and moved to #6.

We’re talking about doing a deal with our next door neighbor.

I see it as more cushion for the pushin'

by iH8dallas on Jan 4, 2012 11:40 AM EST up reply actions  

Supply and demand, it will cost a lot.

We’d have no leverage, the Browns would know we’re desperate and would have our balls in a vice.

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by Parks Smith on Jan 4, 2012 11:41 AM EST up reply actions  

Why? You'd already have a quarterback.

Say we trade back with the Bengals this year for one of their 1st, and an extra 2nd (throw in some other junk if you want). You could have something that looks like this on offense in 2013

QB- Aaron Murray (1st, 2013)
RB- No change
WR- Alshon Jeffery (1st 2012), Hankerson, Paul
TE-Davis
LT- TWilliams
G- Kelechi Osemele (2012 2nd Round)
C- Monty
G- Licht/Chester
RT- Zebrie Sanders (2012 2nd Rounder)
Then factor in the depth you’ve added with multiple 3rd and 4th rounders

Your scenario puts us looking like this in 2013:
QB-RG3
Everything else- The Same
No first in 2013, no 2nd in 2012, along with a lot of other picks. The team has ZERO depth and is likely older and the Redskins circa 08/09 b/c of FA additions.

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by Parks Smith on Jan 4, 2012 11:40 AM EST up reply actions  

Then who is the QB this year?

I see it as more cushion for the pushin'

by iH8dallas on Jan 4, 2012 11:41 AM EST up reply actions  

Rex or a stop gap, or take a chance on a guy like Cousins or Weeden with one of your additional 3rds

Then you would have a quality back up and could season a high pick a little more. Stop looking at 2012 and look at the next 10 years for the Skins.

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by Parks Smith on Jan 4, 2012 11:42 AM EST up reply actions  

Thats really not a bad plan

However, iH8 would only be satisfied if we took Weeden at #6

by mbedner on Jan 4, 2012 11:44 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I like this better than trading away 5-6 draft picks

we have way too many holes to fill. But if RGIII is there at #6 I’m drafting him and not trading back. I’ll develop him for a year before having him start if for no other reason than to teach him that a QB should always look to throw the ball and not run at the first opportunity.

by aFan4Life on Jan 4, 2012 2:07 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

yeah, right

once again you’re in la La land. How many years of bad quarter backing have we had now? Just about every year since 1991? A good year by Brad Johnson and another good year by Brunell and then nothing but crap. And yet the stands are full year after year.

Most NFL fans are fanatical like us. We just keep taking the kick in the noobies year after year.

by aFan4Life on Jan 4, 2012 8:11 PM EST up reply actions  

The plan I outlined builds a window for success of 7-10 years

Your plan outlines a window of 1-2 years, if we don’t win right away then we’re screwed and Shanny signs Jim Fassel and Steve Mariucci to co-coach the franchise for 20 mil a piece

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by Parks Smith on Jan 4, 2012 11:43 AM EST up reply actions  

No it doesn't.

Maybe if you’re the owner, but a little man named Snyder owns the team and he will not sit through another 6-10 season.

TRUST ME.

I see it as more cushion for the pushin'

by iH8dallas on Jan 4, 2012 11:45 AM EST up reply actions  

Yes, but not next year

Need to be patient, question is, Will Snyder.?

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by Skins Fan '77 on Jan 4, 2012 11:48 AM EST up reply actions  

Could be next year, you know have a oline for ball control

Defense actually gets to rest, you have a new QB for 2012, and one with a premier weapon. Then say Foles/Weeden/Cousins works out THEN you don’t even have to take a guy like Murray/Wilson/Barkley/Bray in 2013, you can add yet more help elsewhere.

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by Parks Smith on Jan 4, 2012 11:51 AM EST up reply actions  

*now

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by Parks Smith on Jan 4, 2012 11:51 AM EST up reply actions  

Completely in agreement

I don’t understand the urgency to take a quarterback in the top 10 at all costs

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by Skins Fan '77 on Jan 4, 2012 11:52 AM EST up reply actions  

Exactly. If one is there at #6, i can understand taking one

But this “trade up and trade anything” mentality is ridiculous.

People are falling into the trap of thinking that Luck and RG3 are the last good QBs that will every come out of college

by StephanHart on Jan 4, 2012 11:56 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

+1

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by Parks Smith on Jan 4, 2012 11:56 AM EST up reply actions  

"Suck for Luck in 2013 and Beyond"

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by Parks Smith on Jan 4, 2012 11:56 AM EST up reply actions  

They are not, but they are the two highest rated QBs to come out in a few years.

Still, I don’t trade up, but I do take RG3 at 6.

by les boulez bomber on Jan 4, 2012 1:43 PM EST up reply actions  

+100

We need a change at QB but not at any cost.

by aFan4Life on Jan 4, 2012 2:08 PM EST up reply actions  

The problem with the team

has been the failure to spend draft picks at the QB spot, not that they have been spending too much. As Pat Kirwan says, if you don’t have a top QB, you keep drafting them until you do.

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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Jan 4, 2012 12:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Are you kidding?

The Redkins have spent 1st round resources on the QB position….they just didn’t pick the right QB’s.

If you pick 1st round QB’s, you dont’ do it every year because you have to give them the time to develop, and it is a very costly investment (especially with the old wage scale), so you only could afford to do it every 5-10 years

by StephanHart on Jan 4, 2012 12:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Traded up to get him as well

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by Skins Fan '77 on Jan 4, 2012 12:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Wrong... we spent draft picks on QBs in 07 and 08

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by Parks Smith on Jan 4, 2012 12:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Campbell was the only high pick though.

by les boulez bomber on Jan 4, 2012 1:46 PM EST up reply actions  

I think they don’t protect their investment at QB. And they run around scrambling for their life and get the shit knocked out of them. And then they become shell shocked in the pocket.

by les boulez bomber on Jan 4, 2012 1:45 PM EST up reply actions  

exactly

keep drafting until you get one. Colts were in the playoffs for 10 years in a row because they had Manning. Lose manning and they are the worst team in the league.

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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Jan 4, 2012 12:18 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree that we should've been grabbing guys in the 3rd round and beyond almost every year

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by Parks Smith on Jan 4, 2012 12:06 PM EST up reply actions  

I like your plan...

but what if we added Flynn as the stopgap QB? If he succeeds, then great, but if he fails, it costs us nothing in compensation….

by brettpedigo on Jan 4, 2012 1:05 PM EST up reply actions  

We will see

Because I definitely think that 6-10 is very close to where we will be next year regardless

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by Skins Fan '77 on Jan 4, 2012 11:47 AM EST up reply actions  

I suspect that also

too many holes and even with a change at QB, our defense is at best mediocre and our OL is still being rebuilt and our WR still needs help.

by aFan4Life on Jan 4, 2012 2:10 PM EST up reply actions  

EXACTLY!

Look at our schedule next year, how is a rookie QB, with no weapons, no o-line, etc. going to turn this team into winner. Shanny would be fired and then we’re up shit creek with a new coach and no draft picks.

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by Parks Smith on Jan 4, 2012 11:47 AM EST up reply actions  

My plan you have a solid O-line for ball control, a playmaker at WR, and a young QB to develop for a year

Your plan you have a young QB with no line, no toys, and no hope for the future b/c all our picks are gone.

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by Parks Smith on Jan 4, 2012 11:49 AM EST up reply actions  

Man, I have seen that scene far too often

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by Skins Fan '77 on Jan 4, 2012 11:50 AM EST up reply actions  

Your plan is massively incomplete

as it leaves out free agency. If you spend this years first and third to get the QB, you can get a RT with the second rounder, perhaps even trade down and get a RT and RG in the draft. There are a ton of “playmakers” available in free agency this year at WR. They can build the team this year into a playoff contender.

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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Jan 4, 2012 12:07 PM EST up reply actions  

read brother... it seems as if you completely ignored half of the plan
No first in 2013, no 2nd in 2012, along with a lot of other picks. The team has ZERO depth and is likely older and the Redskins circa 08/09 b/c of FA additions.

You use FA to supplement a good team, not to build one

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by Parks Smith on Jan 4, 2012 12:08 PM EST up reply actions  

+1
You use FA to supplement a good team, not to build one

by StephanHart on Jan 4, 2012 12:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes, the 2000 Redskins say hello

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by Skins Fan '77 on Jan 4, 2012 12:13 PM EST up reply actions  

You mean 2000-2010?

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by Parks Smith on Jan 4, 2012 12:14 PM EST up reply actions  

I was getting to them

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by Skins Fan '77 on Jan 4, 2012 12:19 PM EST up reply actions  

The tom Brady Patriots also say hello

signed over a dozen free agents the first year they won the super bowl.

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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Jan 4, 2012 12:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes, but we do not have Brady

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by Skins Fan '77 on Jan 4, 2012 12:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Nor do we play in a weak division

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by Skins Fan '77 on Jan 4, 2012 12:25 PM EST up reply actions  

It doesn't cost that much

to move up two spots. I know you have the draft pick chart, and you know it doesn’t cost anything near that. You are intentionally being misleading in the cost to support your argument.

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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Jan 4, 2012 12:20 PM EST up reply actions  

You gotta throw the chart out in this case my man.

Age old supply vs. demand, like I said before:

We’d have no leverage, the Browns would know we’re desperate and would have our balls in a vice

How is it going to go down:

Bruce: “Hey Mike we really want RG3, can we swap spots with you?”

Holmgren: "O sure Bruce, no one else wants this kid and as a favor to you for that scrumptious mulit-flavor popcorn tin you sent me for christmas, we can do the deal for your 1st and only a 2nd. Deal?

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by Parks Smith on Jan 4, 2012 12:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Even that

is much less than what you said above. You said two first plus other picks. Not happening for anything less that #1 overall.

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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Jan 4, 2012 12:26 PM EST up reply actions  

I like your plan if we sign Matt Moore as a stop gap.

But I prefer Barkley only because I have seen him, and he will be good in our system.

by les boulez bomber on Jan 4, 2012 1:48 PM EST up reply actions  

I thought I was the only one

Who thought Matthew Moore was a viable quarterback

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by Skins Fan '77 on Jan 4, 2012 1:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Moore is still under contract in Miami

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by Parks Smith on Jan 4, 2012 1:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah I wanted to replace Grossman with him last year

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by Skins Fan '77 on Jan 4, 2012 2:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Check this out:

http://www.hogshaven.com/2011/5/16/2173393/kicking-tires-matt-moore

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by Parks Smith on Jan 4, 2012 2:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Jim Fassell is the result of your plan

As the Danny has never allowed a coach into a third season after two losing seasons. No way he would allow shanny a fourth after three losing seasons.

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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Jan 4, 2012 12:01 PM EST up reply actions  

It's the result regardless, you have a better chance to win next year with a oline, playmaker, and 3rd round QB

then a QB and nothing else in 2012.

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by Parks Smith on Jan 4, 2012 12:10 PM EST up reply actions  

isn't that what Cinci did this past year?

and they made the playoffs in the toughest division?

by brettpedigo on Jan 4, 2012 1:09 PM EST up reply actions  

cinci has a decent OL

AJ Green at receiver and a 2nd round QB.

by TheDeepBall on Jan 4, 2012 3:35 PM EST up reply actions  

There have to be at least six QBs available in the draft or FA

That can cut our TOs in half by not fumbling or sailing the long ball side armed. I would love to have an elite QB, but I think we can win with a good QB who can control the ball, and a whole lot of better support players from the draft. Take RGIII if he is available at 6, but no trading up. Too many other capable QBs coming later in the draft to blow up our future. I love Rex’s style, but his turnovers have got to go and I don’t think he can change that about himself. So get someone else.

by JR32 on Jan 4, 2012 2:37 PM EST up reply actions  

It's a two player swing Parks, not three

We have a 2nd rounder this year. And we get Jenkins back which for us is like a second 2nd rounder.

But I like what you are doing. If it is not RG3, I trade back.

by les boulez bomber on Jan 4, 2012 1:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Except

Shanny would have been fired by then, and the only coach willing to work for Snyder at that point would be a little know QB coach from the pacific northwest.

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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Jan 4, 2012 11:34 AM EST up reply actions  

He wouldn't be fired if we went 7-9 with a rookie QB and resources to get better in 2013?

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by Parks Smith on Jan 4, 2012 11:44 AM EST up reply actions  

Losing record next year

and I think Danny would fire him. Not saying it is the right thing, just what would happen.

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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Jan 4, 2012 12:08 PM EST up reply actions  

I think he has 2 more seasons like MS says!

by les boulez bomber on Jan 4, 2012 1:50 PM EST up reply actions  

i think you're right.

We’re gonna get Manning or Flynn and then go Qb in the next draft. This draft we will get weapons. “a big wr”, that shanny covents. Blackmon, Jeffrey, or Floyd will be redskins next year.

by jfield1111 on Jan 4, 2012 11:52 AM EST up reply actions  

Why would Flynn sign a deal to be here for a year?

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by Parks Smith on Jan 4, 2012 11:55 AM EST up reply actions  

Cop out answer if I've ever seen one.

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by Parks Smith on Jan 4, 2012 11:57 AM EST up reply actions  

no way.

who says he only has to be here for a year? Even if we DONT go qb in 2013, we’ll still have manning or flynn

by jfield1111 on Jan 4, 2012 11:58 AM EST up reply actions  

Yea, it worked so well with McNabb!

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by Parks Smith on Jan 4, 2012 11:59 AM EST up reply actions  

+1

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by Parks Smith on Jan 4, 2012 12:00 PM EST up reply actions  

we've got probably around 8-9 names

of guys who could be the skins qb next year…which one gives us the best chance to win and rebuild at the same time….i’m saying Manning, Sanchez, Rg3, Luck, Tannehill, Foles, Weeden, Jones, Bradford? did i leave out anyone?

by jfield1111 on Jan 4, 2012 12:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Don't as Sanchez

Don’t ever say Sanchez

Where do they teach you to talk like this? In some Panama City "Sailor wanna hump-hump" bar, or is it getaway day and your last shot at his whiskey? Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.

by CJHutch on Jan 4, 2012 12:31 PM EST up reply actions  

thank you CJ!

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by irishgoon on Jan 4, 2012 2:34 PM EST up reply actions  

damn that Dirty Sanchez!

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by irishgoon on Jan 4, 2012 2:35 PM EST up reply actions  

ARE YOU KIDDING ME??

Mcnabb was awful. You cant be comparing Manning to Mcnabb? Thats like apples to cow turds

by jfield1111 on Jan 4, 2012 12:00 PM EST up reply actions  

You've seen Manning play recently?

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by Parks Smith on Jan 4, 2012 12:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, they look pretty much the same sitting on the bench

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by Skins Fan '77 on Jan 4, 2012 12:20 PM EST up reply actions  

He was great the year he got injured.

He still has a few years left in him. Manning at 20% is about 20% better than Grossman.

by horatius on Jan 4, 2012 2:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Tyler Wilson

Where do they teach you to talk like this? In some Panama City "Sailor wanna hump-hump" bar, or is it getaway day and your last shot at his whiskey? Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.

by CJHutch on Jan 4, 2012 12:30 PM EST up reply actions  

You are exaggerating

Plus look at the Redskins right now, we have very few players over the age of 28.
If you get a trade offer that sweet, you take it

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by Skins Fan '77 on Jan 4, 2012 11:31 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

False, false, false

As in–Sam Bradford, Duane Gabbart, etc. etc.

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by Skins Fan '77 on Jan 4, 2012 11:29 AM EST up reply actions  

Duane Gabbert? His black brother?

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by Parks Smith on Jan 4, 2012 11:31 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

LOL

too funny

"If a man speaks and there is no woman around to hear him, is he still wrong???"

by ThuGodfather on Jan 4, 2012 11:31 AM EST up reply actions  

I guess so

Ask MacSpeech

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by Skins Fan '77 on Jan 4, 2012 11:32 AM EST up reply actions  

Where is that freaking parrot that can type?

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by Skins Fan '77 on Jan 4, 2012 11:33 AM EST up reply actions  

Why can't more players

Have simple names that I do not have to spell out all the time? Check this out… Cory Linden desire
Ryan carried
Brian Durango

Do you have any idea who these guys are?

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by Skins Fan '77 on Jan 4, 2012 11:35 AM EST up reply actions  

ur awesome lol

i di but i cant spell their real names

by munson21502 on Jan 4, 2012 1:28 PM EST up reply actions  

awesome

I used to have opera recite hard core rap lyrics

The Beat Box aka skins secondary.

by Al_CaPWNED on Jan 4, 2012 1:34 PM EST up reply actions  

u should use them

and go on a show like americas got talent or something lol

by munson21502 on Jan 4, 2012 2:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes, any plan that doesn't get us Luck or Griffin

is just baloney. The only caveat: it could be that Shanahan actually liked and wanted somebody other than Luck or RG3 – like Weeden, Tannehill, Jones or somebody else. I wouldn’t second guess him if that is what he actually thought. I.e., he should grab the QB he wants, and if the guy is cheaper than the big guys, that’s all to the good. But trading down as part of a rebuilding plan is just plain dumb, and will get Shanahan fired. Not taking a QB in this year’s draft almost got him sacked, and if he can’t learn from that, he’s hopeless and ought to be fired.

by Donnio1234 on Jan 4, 2012 7:37 PM EST up reply actions  

i see a really good rb at # 6

its just our luck that we dont need him but im hoping some1 will trade up for him

by munson21502 on Jan 4, 2012 1:20 PM EST up reply actions  

To the Skins' Advantage

They could go for nearly any best available player at #6, since they have so many potential upgrades. Hopefully, it makes teams a little trigger happy and willing with the precedent set by Atlanta.

You're never wrong if you argue correctly

by TheSportsManager on Jan 4, 2012 3:12 PM EST up reply actions  

not if the HC wants to be here 2 years from now

you’re kidding yourself if you think Snyder is going to settle for years of losing seasons and most positions just don’t make nearly as much impact as a QB.

This is a nice strategy in Madden but in the real world where 20% of the coaches get fired every year it’s not a good plan. Coaches have to show progress or get booted.

by aFan4Life on Jan 4, 2012 8:16 PM EST up reply actions  

I think this was in reference to stockpiling picks if the opportunity arises. I agree this is our best chance at a top QB. If the top two are off the board, I think one must be crazy not to take the mother load Atlanta gave up for #7 last year. RG3 is not our only shot at QB success for 2012.

You're never wrong if you argue correctly

by TheSportsManager on Jan 8, 2012 4:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Green Bay

could want to solidify their rushing attack. We could net quite the haul for trading back so far.

by TheDeepBall on Jan 4, 2012 3:21 PM EST up reply actions  

who cares

there are so many Offenive Linemen, Wide recevers, and Defensive players we could get at the end of the 1st and into the 2nd/3rd rounds with the picks we’d get out of the trade. And it would also give us a extra 1st for next year.

by TheDeepBall on Jan 4, 2012 3:41 PM EST up reply actions  

You're actually only allowed to draft one player per pick

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by Parks Smith on Jan 4, 2012 3:44 PM EST up reply actions  

persuasive

second and third round seems to be ripe with some QBs this year, and adding the extra picks (maybe a first next year?) results in us being able to get some young talent, possibly starters and the requisite depth we need….and if need be, we’ll have draft ammunition next year to trade for a franchise signal caller

As for me, all I know is that I know nothing.
*Socrates*

by atark001 on Jan 4, 2012 11:15 AM EST reply actions  

Bunting's first mock just came out, has us taking Kirkpatrick

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Mock-Draft-Version-10.html

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by Parks Smith on Jan 4, 2012 11:15 AM EST reply actions  

Our friends at Ball Hogs Radio interviewed Wes Bunting last night…I plan to link up all his quotes in a post but the big one was that Wes would have had RG3 ranked higher than Cam if RG3 went pro. A QB that can play at that caliber is greater than hoarding more picks.

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by Kevin Ewoldt on Jan 4, 2012 11:28 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I think Bunting is one of the best "scouts"/writers out there

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by Parks Smith on Jan 4, 2012 11:29 AM EST up reply actions  

yep

Evan Silva predicted Roy Helu to Redskins as a mid-round pick. Talk about a homerun.

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by Kevin Ewoldt on Jan 4, 2012 12:58 PM EST up reply actions  

EXACTLY.

I see it as more cushion for the pushin'

by iH8dallas on Jan 4, 2012 11:31 AM EST up reply actions  

That is depressing

He is freaking nuts. Not even Vinny Cerrato would take a CB when there are so many areas of need.

by Donnio1234 on Jan 4, 2012 7:43 PM EST up reply actions  

no doubt

all the teams will do is throw to the other 3/4 of the field.

by aFan4Life on Jan 4, 2012 8:17 PM EST up reply actions  

I understand what you are saying, but I disagree with how we build a team.

You say at some point we can find our guy and bring him to DC. That won’t happen.

If we do what you propose and build this strong roster, we will go 7-9, 8-8, 9-7 and be perpetually stuck in the middle of the league.

I don’t know if anyone else has noticed, but we pick in the top 10 pretty frequently and picking LBs, safeties, guards and WRs won’t change that.

I don’t want to have a top 10 pick again any time soon.

Get the QB.

I see it as more cushion for the pushin'

by iH8dallas on Jan 4, 2012 11:17 AM EST reply actions  

I hate to bust your bubble, but this is more than likely regardless of who we draft.
If we do what you propose and build this strong roster, we will go 7-9, 8-8, 9-7 and be perpetually stuck in the middle of the league.

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by Parks Smith on Jan 4, 2012 11:19 AM EST up reply actions  

Holy hell, it has been 20 years

Another one or two will not kill us

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by Skins Fan '77 on Jan 4, 2012 11:23 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Exactly patience is no longer part of our vocabulary, more apathy then anything.

I’m willing to wait a little longer to get it right, then to go all-in on someone we don’t believe in and can further handicap the franchise in the long run.

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by Parks Smith on Jan 4, 2012 11:24 AM EST up reply actions  

All are weak rationales for not making a strong move to get the guy we need

Any strategy that doesn’t get a top QB is a losing strategy, and Shanahan will undoubtedly be gone after 2012. Mike Wise’s column today noted that Shanahan was likely to be fired if the Skins weren’t in the playoff hunt in December, with signs that things were moving the right way. It’s hard to see how things could be going the right way if we weren’t playing, or at least grooming, the QB of the future.
Quit the screwing around, and get a quarterback, spending whatever it takes.

by Donnio1234 on Jan 4, 2012 8:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Well if Mike Wise says it...

then I take the opposite opinion. That guy is about as useless as tits on a bull. He’s a total ass straight out of the LaCanfora school of “just write as many articles trashing the Skins as you can so you can get a job somewhere else”.

Screw Mike Wise, he’s a douche bag!

by SkinsLifer on Jan 4, 2012 8:17 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah but we will have to offer more then

right now if we offer a 1st and 2nd this year thats 2 picks in the top 38 in the draft. plus throw in our number 1 next year and thats a really good deal to move up a few to get the qb we need without hurting us too much for the future. if we wait next year we might go 8-8 and that is like the 16th pick that will cost us alot more to move up to the top 3 to draft qb… so if we ever plan to move up i think this is the year to do it.

by munson21502 on Jan 4, 2012 2:00 PM EST up reply actions  

+1

I see it as more cushion for the pushin'

by iH8dallas on Jan 4, 2012 2:06 PM EST up reply actions  

99% of the time

You trade down from this spot with as many needs as we have. But IF RG3 is available, or maaaaaaaybe if it doesn’t cost a lot to move to 4th, I think you have to take a swing. Even with a lot of holes, you can’t win in the modern NFL without elite QB talent, and the opportunity to obtain that talent is not very often.

by Maroon and Black on Jan 4, 2012 11:51 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

+1

I see it as more cushion for the pushin'

by iH8dallas on Jan 4, 2012 11:52 AM EST up reply actions  

There are 12 teams in the playoffs

How many of them have elite quarterbacks?

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by Skins Fan '77 on Jan 4, 2012 11:55 AM EST up reply actions  

Pretty much all of them.

I see it as more cushion for the pushin'

by iH8dallas on Jan 4, 2012 11:56 AM EST up reply actions  

Since the Skins last superbowl victory

All but 2 superbowl winning teams have had an elite QB

by Maroon and Black on Jan 4, 2012 11:57 AM EST up reply actions  

maybe 3

Depending on your opinion of Eli

by Maroon and Black on Jan 4, 2012 11:58 AM EST up reply actions  

I've never been an Eli fan but this year he's been very good

To me he’s had a good but not elite career but this year he has really stepped it up but I think much of it is that Cruz has been awesome.

by aFan4Life on Jan 4, 2012 2:33 PM EST up reply actions  

3?

Brady, Roth, Rodgers, Stafford, Brees and if Peyton were healthy he’d be there too

by aFan4Life on Jan 4, 2012 2:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Okay

Alex Smith as the number two NSC seed
Joe Flack go as the number two seed in the AFC
Andy Dalton is a rookie

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by Skins Fan '77 on Jan 4, 2012 11:59 AM EST up reply actions  

And Aaron Rodgers is worst than Matt Flynn, remember

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by Parks Smith on Jan 4, 2012 11:59 AM EST up reply actions  

Tebow is only in

because Norv Turner coaches the chargers.

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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Jan 4, 2012 12:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Obviously they do

The QB is the biggest factor after the coach. It is especially big on the current redskins team because their starting QB is so bad that none of the other teams in the league would even sign him as a backup.

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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Jan 4, 2012 12:29 PM EST up reply actions  

It did not help Kansas City or Oakland

San Diego has the best quarterback by far and it did not help them at all

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by Skins Fan '77 on Jan 4, 2012 12:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Dont get me wrong

I am not saying “All the Skins need is a QB.” I just like RG3 a lot as a prospect and think that an elite QB is an absolutely necessary part of the rebuild if we want to be Super Bowl contenders down the line when its all said and done in a few years…and the chance to get that elite QB talent doesn’t come around much

by Maroon and Black on Jan 4, 2012 12:16 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't think there is any way you can pick an elite quarterback

In the draft with certainty.
You really just have to get lucky no matter where you pick.
It makes no sense to spend $12 on a lottery ticket that costs two dollars

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by Skins Fan '77 on Jan 4, 2012 12:18 PM EST up reply actions  

no doubt

but that is good news as far as I’m concerned. I want Norv to keep the Chargers mediocre for years to come (I’m also a Chiefs fan).

by aFan4Life on Jan 4, 2012 2:36 PM EST up reply actions  

That's fine but how many are bona fide, "elite", can't miss, Top 5 prospects like you advertise RG3 to be and what you're arguing now?

Rodgers: 24th overall
Brees: 2nd Round
Brady: 6th round
Smith: 1st overall
Flacco: 18th overall
Roethlisberger: 11th overall
Matt Ryan: 3rd overall
Yates: 5th rounder, Schaub 3rd rounder
Stafford: 1st overall
Eli: 1st overall
Dalton: 2nd round
Tebow: not a QB

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by Parks Smith on Jan 4, 2012 12:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Excellent point. Bona Vide top QB prospects rarely live up to their billing

Which is why it makes logical sense not to trade up and risk huge amounts of resources on one

by StephanHart on Jan 4, 2012 12:08 PM EST up reply actions  

I think you also have to factor in your ability to develop someone

And right now, our team has no track record of developing QBs. Sonny was our last great QB and he played almost fifty years ago!

by les boulez bomber on Jan 4, 2012 2:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Same coaching staff back then?

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by Parks Smith on Jan 4, 2012 2:11 PM EST up reply actions  

I have been saying that the position coaches

Need to be reevaluated for the last two or 3 months–unfortunately, I don’t think it will happen (i.e. Darrell Green versus Slowik)

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by Skins Fan '77 on Jan 4, 2012 2:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Yep those guys

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by Parks Smith on Jan 4, 2012 2:51 PM EST up reply actions  

too small of a data set

there are so few QBs taken top 5 that you end up with way too small of a data set. Expand it to first round picks and then ask how many non first round picks win playoff games. Very few, especially if you throw out the statistical anomolies known as Brady and Warner.

To bring it back to reality…we all know the draft is a gamble and there are no sure picks but we do know that generally speaking, the earlier drafted guys turn out to be better than the later drafted guys. It’s designed that way.

by aFan4Life on Jan 4, 2012 2:40 PM EST up reply actions  

My plan is simple.

Grab the elite QB right now that is staring you in the face, or Dan Snyder will fire you.

Pretty simple.

I see it as more cushion for the pushin'

by iH8dallas on Jan 4, 2012 11:52 AM EST reply actions  

Heath Shuler says hello

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by Skins Fan '77 on Jan 4, 2012 11:53 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

And Vince Young

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by Skins Fan '77 on Jan 4, 2012 11:54 AM EST up reply actions  

You can name every bust QB until you're blue in the face.

It won’t change my mind.

I see it as more cushion for the pushin'

by iH8dallas on Jan 4, 2012 11:55 AM EST up reply actions  

Fair enough

I like a man who does not flip-flop

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by Skins Fan '77 on Jan 4, 2012 11:56 AM EST up reply actions  

He flip-flops every day. He may come on here tomorrow and promote signing Pat White.

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by Parks Smith on Jan 4, 2012 11:57 AM EST up reply actions  

But you're conducting your business as if it is a sure thing.

Shanahan has to win, it’s a simple as that. Trading resource for a QB to install on a bad team doesn’t equal wins. Ask Jacksonville and Minnesota

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by Parks Smith on Jan 4, 2012 11:55 AM EST up reply actions  

Well...

the top coaches are now only interested in franchises that have hot young QB prospects.

Everyone sees what is happening to Shanahan’s reputation, and they do not want that stain.

So whether he fails or not, they want that guy in place first year.

I still would not trade up for him. Wes thinks Tannehill is a franchise starter- one day. But those are the only three in the draft that get that grade. And he is clear that Tannehill is a projection franchise QB.

by les boulez bomber on Jan 4, 2012 2:04 PM EST up reply actions  

so basically Shanahan screwed himself with the McNabb and Grossman moves

I think Snyder will fire Shanahan if this team isn’t at least fighting for a playoff spot in week 17 next year.

All these plans of never getting anything but BPA are great in games but aren;t at all realistic for the real world.

by aFan4Life on Jan 4, 2012 8:20 PM EST up reply actions  

unless your getting a deal that includes picks and players that are upgrades

i dont see the point in trading back i mentioned this yesterday and everyone pointed to cleavland. are they really that much better last i checked they still sucked and are at the bottom of there division menwhile every one else in there division has proporly filled there quaterback hole and are contendersdo you think b more and pitsburg are contenders if they trade back and dont draft flacco or roth i dont if you dont have a franchise qb and you think someone might be the guy you take him other than alex mack who would you swap from the browns to redskins

by taylor21 on Jan 4, 2012 12:18 PM EST reply actions  

Do you see the point in capitalization?

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by Parks Smith on Jan 4, 2012 12:20 PM EST up reply actions  

i was nevar muche 4 propor yusedge maiself

by Bullet Nation in Exile on Jan 5, 2012 9:10 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm suprised so many are against taking a QB high this year

of course the team isn’t just a QB away from making this team an instant contender but what team ever is just a QB away? a couple of additions to the OL and a decent receiver being added wouldn’t make this a horrible situation to come into. Just look at what Newton had to work with this year, it’s hardly light years ahead of the Redskins.

I wouldn’t want to trade up for RGIII but if hes there at 6 you have to take him unless someone offers something crazy to move up.
You can’t draft scared just because someone might bust. Going into next year with Rex at QB would be a disaster and there’s little chance Shanny would make it to year 4.

by PJ_21 on Jan 4, 2012 12:18 PM EST reply actions  

I do agree

That if the cost is significant we definitely should stay pat or trade down.

by Maroon and Black on Jan 4, 2012 12:23 PM EST up reply actions  

That I agree with

but it seems like a number of people are scared of taking the risk of picking a QB high if one (Griffin) were to fall to #6.
At some pint you have to bite the bullet and take the risk otherwise they will continue to suck at QB.

by PJ_21 on Jan 4, 2012 12:27 PM EST up reply actions  

exactly

it’s the “trade up at all cost” plan that I’m opposed to. Trade up for a reasonable cost – sure! But trade up for 5-6 draft picks? NO!

We can get a QB (or 2) without trading away our drafting future.

by aFan4Life on Jan 4, 2012 2:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Newton has a great OL and two of the better RBs in the league.

Many of them were injured in 2010 and Clausen sucked.

I see it as more cushion for the pushin'

by iH8dallas on Jan 4, 2012 12:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Panthers o-line has shuffled around more than ours this year

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by Parks Smith on Jan 4, 2012 12:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Didn't make the playoffs, or win that many games

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by Skins Fan '77 on Jan 4, 2012 12:29 PM EST up reply actions  

They kicked our ass.

And the Panthers losing season is solely on their defense, like ours is on the QB.

I see it as more cushion for the pushin'

by iH8dallas on Jan 4, 2012 12:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Our offensive line sucks and is depending on late rounders and injury recovery, with a pothead anchoring it
  • Out wide receivers are old and not that good, we also have to pray for a 3rd rounder to recover from injury and suddenly transform into AJ Green
  • Our defense is average at best right now.

You are acting as if we have one hole, but we have many. You’re also putting this year’s schedule (which was among the worst in the league) in a vacuum with next year’s schedule where we have to play three of the toughest divisions in football.

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by Parks Smith on Jan 4, 2012 12:33 PM EST up reply actions  

No, our QB sucks.

As a matter of fact he sucks worse than all other QBs in the league.

That is why our team was bad.

I see it as more cushion for the pushin'

by iH8dallas on Jan 4, 2012 12:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Correction

That is is one reason why our team was bad.

by StephanHart on Jan 4, 2012 12:38 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Some how that worst QB in the league finished with a passer rating then two first round rookies, and a 1st overall sophomore

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by Parks Smith on Jan 4, 2012 12:40 PM EST up reply actions  

You know passer rating is flawed

Leaves out Rex’s fumbles, and Newtons rushing. I love how the guy who normally attacks people who bring up stats is now bringing up the stat he loves to attack.

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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Jan 4, 2012 12:43 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm just saying man. You want me to use my eyeballs? Did you see Ponder and Gabbert play this year?

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by Parks Smith on Jan 4, 2012 12:44 PM EST up reply actions  

I didn't see them

And Shanny knew enough to pass on them. I’m relying on him to know more than me about QB and to pick the right guy.

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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Jan 4, 2012 1:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Well which is it?

You said earlier we had a good defense. Is Carolina’s office that much better?

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by Skins Fan '77 on Jan 4, 2012 12:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Who are they playing in the playoffs this week?

If we win 6 games, is Shanny still here?

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by Parks Smith on Jan 4, 2012 12:30 PM EST up reply actions  

So if we pick up a QB that breaks every rookie passing record then we'll be fine! Sounds easy enough!

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by Parks Smith on Jan 4, 2012 12:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, didn't the guy you swear by say that he would take RG3 over Cam in a draft?

So by that logic, it is reasonable to assume that RG3 is capable of that.

I see it as more cushion for the pushin'

by iH8dallas on Jan 4, 2012 12:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Vacuum, once again

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by Parks Smith on Jan 4, 2012 12:39 PM EST up reply actions  

No it's not.

You play the logic game all the time, I think this is a fair question.

I see it as more cushion for the pushin'

by iH8dallas on Jan 4, 2012 12:43 PM EST up reply actions  

It's not the same team, it's not the same schedule.

Do we have a Steve Smith? An Olsen/Shockey combo? A stud center to mentor a QB, identify the mike, perform audibles and line adjustments?

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by Parks Smith on Jan 4, 2012 12:46 PM EST up reply actions  

An old receiver? Yes.

An old and injured tight end to pair with our good young tight end? Yes.

I see it as more cushion for the pushin'

by iH8dallas on Jan 4, 2012 12:48 PM EST up reply actions  

haha you're hopeless

Moss can jump like Smith? He can get 1,400 yards receiving?

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by Parks Smith on Jan 4, 2012 12:50 PM EST up reply actions  

I've seen Moss put up number just as good as Smith's.

Moss regularly puts up a grand, no matter the QB.

I see it as more cushion for the pushin'

by iH8dallas on Jan 4, 2012 12:51 PM EST up reply actions  

"No matter the QB"

See what you did there?

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by Skins Fan '77 on Jan 4, 2012 12:52 PM EST up reply actions  

True, but we were not talking about Smith

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by Skins Fan '77 on Jan 4, 2012 12:54 PM EST up reply actions  

He did once, in 2005, when he was 26.
no matter the QB.

haha credibility, argument out the window

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by Parks Smith on Jan 4, 2012 12:54 PM EST up reply actions  

You still have been avoiding my question.

Then say it’s a vacuum.

I see it as more cushion for the pushin'

by iH8dallas on Jan 4, 2012 12:56 PM EST up reply actions  

One more time... it doesn't matter man

It doesn’t result in wins b/c you don’t have a supporting cast that can win. We need a team not a player

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by Parks Smith on Jan 4, 2012 1:09 PM EST up reply actions  

You are telling me

that the current team, plus a drafted Olineman or two, a free agent #1 WR, and a first round QB isn’t a team that can win?

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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Jan 4, 2012 1:19 PM EST up reply actions  

You're giving away the olineman or two!

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by Parks Smith on Jan 4, 2012 1:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Still missing the point…

Carolina did not have to trade anything to get their quarterback.
Very few here are against drafting Griffin at six if he is there; we just do not want to trade any pics to move up to get him.

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by Skins Fan '77 on Jan 4, 2012 12:46 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

Well said

And to be more clear, I don’t want a CB at #6 either. Trade back, nab some more picks and pick Tannehill with the 1st. We might be able to trade back twice in that scenario!

by les boulez bomber on Jan 4, 2012 2:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Its not a question that can be answered by logic and stats

Cam is an NFL QB, RG3 is not, how can you compare them and say which one you’d rather have?

by StephanHart on Jan 4, 2012 12:47 PM EST up reply actions  

There are talent evaluators

that describe RG3 as similar to Newton, but with a stronger arm. At this point last year, Newton was projected in the later part of round 1. Closer to the draft, several Mocks had him going to Washington.

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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Jan 4, 2012 1:21 PM EST up reply actions  

I get that RG3 will be and deserves to be a first round pick

But what iH8 was saying above is that you can ASSUME that he will produce like Cam in the NFL

Well, didn’t the guy you swear by say that he would take RG3 over Cam in a draft?

So by that logic, it is reasonable to assume that RG3 is capable of that.

by StephanHart on Jan 4, 2012 1:28 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't feel that is a strong argument.

Rex is a 9 year NFL QB and led his team to the Super Bowl, and I sit here with extreme confidence screaming I would rather have one of the two top college QBs!

by les boulez bomber on Jan 4, 2012 2:12 PM EST up reply actions  

No

It’d be Jim Fassell’s team, and I would be leading the movement to boycott the team until Snyder sells it.

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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Jan 4, 2012 12:33 PM EST up reply actions  

we shouldnt trade up for qb if u we trade up get blackmon

if someone falls than they fall quaterbacks are question marks there is no such thing as a cant miss quaterback everything they say about luck being a sure thing they said about sam bradford and some question is a bust with his touchdown to interception ratio (ill take him) meanwhile wr with blackmon skilset are rare and usually are not bust in recent years

by taylor21 on Jan 4, 2012 12:32 PM EST reply actions  

im against trading up at all

but if we do trade up why not get an elite tallent instead of a question mark

by taylor21 on Jan 4, 2012 12:36 PM EST up reply actions  

wr latley have been living up to the hype

aj green
julio jones
dez bryant
calvin johnson

by taylor21 on Jan 4, 2012 12:43 PM EST up reply actions  

This is absolutely the wrong year to spend a first round pick on a WR

when there are so many available in free agency. The large supply will drive down prices and they’ll be able to get a #1 guy at a reasonable price. Even if you don’t want them to draft a QB in the first, spending the first on a WR this year is wrong. Much better to fix two positions.

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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Jan 4, 2012 12:46 PM EST up reply actions  

im not saying wr should be at the top of our board

im saying if your trading up and are not sure about rg3 take the safest pick when i lokk at this roster i dont know how u you can say we dont need to draft a wr
moss=slowing down inconsistent
gaflney =clutch catcher but really a one trick pony and is 31
austin =gone
robinson =?
stallworth =meh decent
paul=good
hankerson=good

by taylor21 on Jan 4, 2012 12:52 PM EST up reply actions  

The need a WR

but don’t need to give up a draft pick for one when there are a ton available in free agency. You can’t look at the draft in a vacuum. You have to see what the team needs and use a combination of the draft and free agency to address them.

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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Jan 4, 2012 1:23 PM EST up reply actions  

free agency is fine if they are younger players with potential

but i dont need a big name wr taking reps awy from hank, paul , and robinson lets try developing our team with draft pics instead of the usual fa splash if we do get a big name or new #1 wr than they should go ahead and cut one of our older wr all of our best wr are guys with 2 or 3 years left

by taylor21 on Jan 4, 2012 1:30 PM EST up reply actions  

I disagree there

A Vincent Jackson or Reggie Wayne or Dwayne Bowe would immediately help our receivers and buy us a few years to fix other needs.

And I say this liking Blackmon and think there are a few more gems out there.

by les boulez bomber on Jan 4, 2012 2:15 PM EST up reply actions  

how is paying guys who are older better for our team

all of those guys are improvements over our current vets but i would at least like to see what we have in the guys we drafted before sending them to the bench for older guys wayne is 33 so no thanks i would take v jax or bowe but i cant see either of those teams giving up on there young tall top recievers

by taylor21 on Jan 4, 2012 3:10 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I said they would immediately help our team and buy us a few years at the position. IF they went that route, they could use the pick shoring up the line, CB or Safety.

It was in response to an original comment that mentioned the WR FA class is deep. Use the draft picks on another position.

I spent some time the other day making the same point…our young receivers were misused this season. They all should have had more playing time so we know what we have.

by les boulez bomber on Jan 4, 2012 3:19 PM EST up reply actions  

I think Bowe is the only one I would go after though.

And I do not think he leaves KC. It is hard to pry really good ones away when unless they are disgruntled.

But I think Reggie Wayne would be a hell of a mentor for them. He’s probably too expensive to fill that role, though.

by les boulez bomber on Jan 4, 2012 3:21 PM EST up reply actions  

we could sign all 3

it doesnt matter who your recievers are if you dont have someone who can get them the ball great teams dont generaly go after the top wr in free agencey name me one playoff team that has top free agent reciever im not saying your wrong but great teams draft and give there pics time to develop

by taylor21 on Jan 4, 2012 4:38 PM EST up reply actions  

I am not that high on drafting a WR with a high pick

The top 3 passing teams do not have one receiver in the top 50 (GB, NO, NE). Jenkins is highest at #52

Even VJax whom we are talking about in FA went #61.

Cruz and Laurent Robonson, the top receivers on the Giants and Cowboys this season went undrafted.

I think there are plenty of potential stud receivers out there in the bushes…like a Niles Paul on the Washington Redskins

by les boulez bomber on Jan 4, 2012 4:51 PM EST up reply actions  

i agree

but none of those guys were top free agents GB, and NO have drafted and developed there recievers i am against moving up fpr blackmon i was saying that people are saying move up to #2 to draft rg3 i was sayinhg if were at 2 why not go for a top playmaker we have no WR on our team that can catch a ball and break tackles for a touchdown

by taylor21 on Jan 4, 2012 5:10 PM EST up reply actions  

they'd help if we had a decent QB

otherwise they’d better brush up on their blocking and tackling skills with Grossman at the helm.

by aFan4Life on Jan 4, 2012 8:22 PM EST up reply actions  

paul= ?
hankerson= ?

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by Parks Smith on Jan 4, 2012 2:15 PM EST up reply actions  

You left some guys off your 1st round hype squad in the same time period.

Johnathan Baldwin, Demaryius Thomas, Darius Heyward-Bey, Michael Crabtree, Percy Harvin, Hakeem Nicks, Tedd Ginn Jr, Buster Davis

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by Parks Smith on Jan 4, 2012 12:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Yea they are the best

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by Parks Smith on Jan 4, 2012 12:52 PM EST up reply actions  

They're not busts.

I see it as more cushion for the pushin'

by iH8dallas on Jan 4, 2012 12:53 PM EST up reply actions  

I was simply just listing all of the receivers, never said if they were busts or not.

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by Parks Smith on Jan 4, 2012 12:56 PM EST up reply actions  

trade back into first if you dont think your guy will make it

otherwiswe draft in the 2nd rg3 is my fav qb in this years class but watching some of these bowl games i realize there will be other good prospects

by taylor21 on Jan 4, 2012 12:37 PM EST up reply actions  

RG3 & West Coast Offense?

Even if we get RG3 do you think Shanny will revamp his entire West Coast offense to revolve around RG3, who does not fit into that mold?

I say trade the farm for Luck, or trade way down and take a QB late 1st/early 2nd round.

by ChrisBurger on Jan 4, 2012 1:06 PM EST reply actions  

Whoa there

I don’t think that statement holds true when you look at the Donovan McNabb fiasco. Nor do I think you could find an example of Shanahan changing his system or any player or position.

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by Skins Fan '77 on Jan 4, 2012 1:29 PM EST up reply actions  

He said it in an interview I posted.

And then went right down the list and said how he tailored the offense to suit the QB from John Elway (who hated 3 and 5 stop drops so he went full time shot gun and 7 stop drops) to John Beck (whom he said could run a QB draw but not Rex).

by les boulez bomber on Jan 4, 2012 2:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Really? How many QB draws did Beck run?

I didn’t follow Denver closely so don’t know about Elway, but Shanny does not seem like the type to change HIS system to fit someone else.

by ChrisBurger on Jan 4, 2012 2:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Rex- Pass incomplete, Pass complete, Pass incomplete, Fumble

Beck- Pass incomplete, Pass incomplete, Sack, Interception

by les boulez bomber on Jan 4, 2012 2:54 PM EST up reply actions  

you got 'em backwards

"And you can pass it to someone you never met, and let 'em get as high as you...you're eyes red as sh*t, mine too"

by Rekka on Jan 4, 2012 2:59 PM EST up reply actions  

i dont think he will have a choice

the last 2 years he has been trying to turn quaterbacks into things they are not it hasnt worked
mcnabb-accurate
grossman – not a turnover machine
beck -not good
he will have to adjust to the qb he drafts or he wont last till 2013

by taylor21 on Jan 4, 2012 1:19 PM EST up reply actions  

if we do trade up

i think it will be the vikings they could probally still get there offensive lineman with our pick. what do we do if matt kalil is on the board when we pick?

by taylor21 on Jan 4, 2012 1:08 PM EST reply actions  

Normally, I say take him all day. But Tannehill is a legitimate prospect, and you just have to love the way he plays. So in this case, I trade back, pick a couple extra picks and get Tannehill.

by les boulez bomber on Jan 4, 2012 2:21 PM EST up reply actions  

tannehill is #2 on my list of qb's ( luck is not a realistic option)

i wonder if he wont make it to our pick in round two depending on if landry jones declares

by taylor21 on Jan 4, 2012 3:15 PM EST up reply actions  

I think he is a first round pick- in the 20s. That CLE pick at 25 might be his floor.

by les boulez bomber on Jan 4, 2012 3:22 PM EST up reply actions  

NE could actually take him as a developmental QB with the new CBA. That is a hell of a replacement for Brady, and he could sit a few years like Rogers which would be great for him.

by les boulez bomber on Jan 4, 2012 3:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Did you see that guy play? Did you watch him interview?

NE could take a flyer. It’s probably unlikely- but possible just the same.

by les boulez bomber on Jan 4, 2012 4:55 PM EST up reply actions  

everyone acts like trading for luck is arealistic option

if peyton is done i wouldnt except any offer for my potential franchise qb because once you loose you franchise qb it could be a while till you get another one look at miami they have been ignoring drafting a franchise qb for years and there fans hate them for it i live down here and hear about it all day

by taylor21 on Jan 4, 2012 1:12 PM EST reply actions  

ih8...aren't you the same person who WOULD NOT STOP SAYING THAT BECK WAS THE ANSWER

I mean, you laid on us for weeks talking about how if we didn’t start Beck, you would jump off a cliff.

Just sayin’…your quarterback radar has not necessarily been the gold standard.

I do think we need to upgrade at qb…but it is not RG#/Luck or nothing in my opinion.

by Ken Meringolo on Jan 4, 2012 1:30 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

wow this thread exploded

Here’s my .02

I’m against trading up, period.

I’m all for taking a BPA at 6 IF we can’t trade back and stockpile picks.
To me trading back is almost always the dream scenario. We finally had a chance to make an effect deal this last draft and it was glorious.

One caveat. If somehow RGIII is sitting there at 6, we take him, regardless. Unless someone comes at us with like 2 drafts worth of picks or something.

Unfortunately, I think we will be stuck at the 6th spot, just because the majority of the time that’s how it is. Who falls to us there is anyones guess. I doubt RGIII is still around, and really, it looks like we’ll be in BPA mode.

I know i’d be way more excited about this upcoming season if we had RGIII as our top pick though. I wont lie, I would probably go to twice as many games if we had someone exciting at qb again.

The Beat Box aka skins secondary.

by Al_CaPWNED on Jan 4, 2012 1:46 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

I like your thinking

and agree with you but what is your suggestion for QB if RGIII is not available at 6? If we trade back I think that we have three options:

1.) Ride the Rex/Beck pony for another season. (again, I threw up in my mouth a little as wrote this.)

2.) Draft a QB with a late first (picked up from trading down) / early second (our own second) maybe we get lucky and find the next Dalton or may maybe we wind up with next version of Campbell or Ramsey.

3.) We bet the farm on a Free agent (read Flynn).

I don’t like the idea of going into 2012 with any of these options. Also, I really don’t like the idea of giving up draft picks to get RGIII.

I have always hated Lane Kiffin, but him talking Barkley into staying has really made a mess for us Skins fans to deal with for the next 5 months.

by WestCoastHokie on Jan 4, 2012 1:59 PM EST up reply actions  

People are saying now that the Colts have so many holes to fill.

They went from 11 or 12 wins every year, to worst in the league.

Why is that?

What is different?

I see it as more cushion for the pushin'

by iH8dallas on Jan 4, 2012 2:02 PM EST reply actions  

All of their players got old and injured at the same time

And they really weren’t that good to begin with. Never really went very far in the playoffs.
Almost exactly like New England right now, if Brady goes down that team socks.
This is the example of why you build a team and build depth–example Texans

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by Skins Fan '77 on Jan 4, 2012 2:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Really?

So winning like 12 games every single year and getting to 2 SBs means they were never that good to begin with?

I wish the Skins were “never that good to begin with.”

I see it as more cushion for the pushin'

by iH8dallas on Jan 4, 2012 2:11 PM EST up reply actions  

I am talking about the last four were five years

Those teams overachieve, their record was much better than the team–it happens

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by Skins Fan '77 on Jan 4, 2012 2:23 PM EST up reply actions  

You do have a point

I’ve always felt that Indianapolis was a softy

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by Skins Fan '77 on Jan 4, 2012 2:37 PM EST up reply actions  

So why don't we just draft a HOF QB.

Seems simple to me

The Blue Royster Cult needs more cow bell.

by 64ShagginWagon on Jan 5, 2012 12:59 AM EST up reply actions  

lol, because they are so hard to spot

everyone looks for a HOF QB every year and several teams take a swing at it every year. Once in a decade or so it works.

by aFan4Life on Jan 5, 2012 11:46 AM EST up reply actions  

their qb was a ball hog

and didnt let any of the back ups take any of the snaps at all.. least thats what it looked like when they started the season lol

by munson21502 on Jan 4, 2012 2:09 PM EST up reply actions  

They hold the first pick, they don't have to give up assets.

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by Parks Smith on Jan 4, 2012 2:11 PM EST up reply actions  

we shouldnt have had to either.... when our only option at qb was beck or grossmen

i thought our plan this year with seeing them named as 1 and 2 was to have 1 really bad season and draft a new qb for free. but then i seen the team playing as a team even with the bad qb play they ended up eeking out 5 wins to spite the plan lol

by munson21502 on Jan 4, 2012 2:30 PM EST up reply actions  

they lucked out the year before this year

think either the jags or texans had a 2 to 3 game lead on them for the afc south and both teams lost out to finish the season and the colts got the afc south title. you could tell there was something wrong with manning think that was one of his worst years since he was a rookie.

by munson21502 on Jan 4, 2012 2:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Only if he makes the cover of sports illustrated

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by Skins Fan '77 on Jan 4, 2012 2:10 PM EST up reply actions  

See my comment above...I prefer to blame Kiffin because he is a d*{k
I have always hated Lane Kiffin, but him talking Barkley into staying has really made a mess for us Skins fans to deal with for the next 5 months.

by WestCoastHokie on Jan 4, 2012 2:12 PM EST up reply actions  

be so funny

if he broke his leg late and we drafted him in the 5th or 6th round next year and see him on the bench watching flynn for 2 to 3 years. i would take a huge sign to the game with THANK U KIFFIN !!

by munson21502 on Jan 4, 2012 2:20 PM EST up reply actions  

i have never been to a real game. i have watched the skins practice when they were here in westernd md

they had a scrimmage against the steelers up at frostburg state. and held practice at our local high school that week. only other time i got to see them when i took a bus trip to a fan day. i will be going to a game next year unless rex or beck is qb again

by munson21502 on Jan 4, 2012 2:55 PM EST up reply actions  

i didnt watch the scrimmage

they was charging 20 bucks a seat.. i wish i paid it now.. but back then i had better things to spend 20 bucks on :)

by munson21502 on Jan 4, 2012 2:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Blackon goes to Oklahoma State

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by Parks Smith on Jan 4, 2012 2:52 PM EST up reply actions  

* Blackmon

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by Parks Smith on Jan 4, 2012 2:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Thanks

I know…tired

I watched that game. Did you see SC?

by les boulez bomber on Jan 4, 2012 2:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Yea but four other games were on at the same time and I was at a sports bar

Jeffery had to match up with one of the nation’s best corners. Blackmon…not so much

Here is the game tape for Jeffery in the Bowl game: http://draftbreakdown.com/alshon-jeffery-vs-nebraska-capital-one-bowl-2012?utm_campaign=twitter&utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitter

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by Parks Smith on Jan 4, 2012 2:57 PM EST up reply actions  

That was a sick hail mary. But he is not fast enough to draft #6. RG36 or trade back.

by les boulez bomber on Jan 4, 2012 3:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Blackmon went agaisnt Nebraska in 2010

when Nebraska had Prince amukamara http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VD7tj5Ohg4c
Not the nations best corner but better than Stanfords

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by Asmaki on Jan 4, 2012 6:09 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't like this talk of "rebuilding" and not searching for our franchise QB for the future in the first round..

We have to face it… Shanahan will most likely be out next year if we do not get to .500 or even over that. So a new coach means a new regime and new schemes, and that would be the reset button on us again. This young team that we are building have been brought in to fit our schemes and Mike is one of the most stubborn scheme coaches you will ever come across and this scheme is built on having precise players to fit what we want to run on offense. And on the other end we have an idiot of an owner who would not understand progress or improvement.

During this time in the NFL it shouldn’t take more than a couple years to get a franchise back on track. We need our QB this offseason and preferably in the draft and one that is a playmaker, and you are an idiot if you think our #6 and a second is too much to move up to get him in that #4 spot. We have pieces of the puzzle but our biggest piece that is missing is the QB. Hell I am sick of having a average and below average quarterbacks on our roster. I want a playmaker.

If RG3 is there at the Cleveland spot then we have to trade up. Look at what Cam did with Carolina with an average team at best… no it didn’t really translate into wins but it got their fans and owner confidence, which is something we haven’t had in years.

I may come off as if I don’t care about the future, I do. But I also care about the present.

by xocnodnarb on Jan 4, 2012 4:36 PM EST reply actions  

The option to trade up fairly outweighs the option to trade back.

You can’t tell me that having RG3 this past season wouldn’t have converted at least a few more wins for us? Listen, trading one pick away doesn’t mean we have screwed our draft… I mean we have more picks and if we hit on those picks like we did last year then we will be fine. Then think about the next draft!! I do understand that trading back is a good thing but our success next season and after will be based on our QB play.

by xocnodnarb on Jan 4, 2012 4:51 PM EST reply actions  

I think it is 50/50 RG3 goes #2 overall. If you are STL, why wouldnt you grab him and trade Bradford or RG3 for a boatload of picks or players?

by les boulez bomber on Jan 4, 2012 4:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Cool! 7-9!
You can’t tell me that having RG3 this past season wouldn’t have converted at least a few more wins for us?

A quarterback + a weapon + an oline = more wins

Which is what you would be getting by trading back.

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by Parks Smith on Jan 4, 2012 5:10 PM EST up reply actions  

All during their rookie season?

Dude get real. We need a franchise QB now, we can look into trading back next draft. But we’re in a perfect position to grab a QB within the top 6… who knows what will happen next year and what position we’ll be next year in the draft order. And if we don’t take our QB this year in the first round then I don’t want to hear anyone bitching next year that we have to trade up to get Barkely. This is so dumb… stop playing the conservative card and get aggressive and get our guy under center. Now is the time. Not next year. Now. Bottom line.

We can get a good WR during free agency like Bowe or hopefully Vincent Jackson (whom Mike already liked during his tenure in Denver when he was coming out), and our o-line is coming together. We have no questions with our backs, so what is holding us down? I think the answer is pretty clear.

by xocnodnarb on Jan 4, 2012 5:31 PM EST up reply actions  

You mean not next year when there is more than two first round talents?

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by Parks Smith on Jan 4, 2012 7:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Just answer this... who goes into next season as our starting QB?

Sure as hell shouldn’t be Rex and are we really going to go with a later round guy as a starter. I’m not sold on Flynn. The class this year in the QB spot seems weak to me outside of Luck and Griffin. Tannenhill would be the only guy I could see us trading back for but it’s too early to predict about where he would go in the draft so thats a big risk. We saw last year three teams that reached for their QB. What makes anyone think it wouldn’t happen this year?

To put Rex or some other average QB under center would seem to me that you’ve already given up on the season. The position needs an urgent upgrade now.

by xocnodnarb on Jan 4, 2012 5:55 PM EST reply actions  

Tannehill is projected late first/early second

by les boulez bomber on Jan 4, 2012 7:01 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm confused (which isn't too uncommon)...

But it seems that the folks arguing for us to trade back to get more picks are a little inconsistent in their logic.

The assumption is that the draft is full of risk, and the Skins’ scouting department (or anyone else’s, for that matter) are not reliable enough to predict whether or not RG3 or whomever the flavor of the year is (2010: Bradford; 2011: Newton; 2012:RG3). But they then list the host of other players that we could get if we traded back and list them as solid starters that will provide us with a better foundation so that next year we can draft the flavor of the year (often Barkley is mentioned, but others as well).

But doesn’t this assume that that same organization that can’t reliably predict the right guy this year will somehow reliably hit on the other starters they get with those extra picks? And it still means we’ve got to reliably predict a QB in some future year. Or are those of you saying we should trade back suggesting that we cannot reliably pick QBs but can on OL and WR? I ask because our track record for getting WR in early rounds (e.g., Howard, Westbrook, Gardner, etc.) hasn’t really been that special either.

So if we look at recent history and say that the current regime seems to be doing a good job of identifying talent in the draft (too early, I realize, but it is what it is), why not take our shot at such an important position now that we have a top 10 spot rather than hope we are in the same position again next year?

Alternatively, if you are suggesting we take a QB in round 2 so that it’s not as big a price/risk, that same logic could be used for any other position as well. So why not take RG3 (assuming the FO believes him to be “the guy”) if he falls to the 6th pick?

Just curious to hear someone’s perspective who has been arguing for us to pass on using this year’s 6th pick on a QB if we think that person could be our franchise QB.

by SkinsLifer on Jan 4, 2012 7:49 PM EST reply actions  

not sure if you mean me, but I want to add picks in the first few rounds because I DO think we can identify starters

I would bring in as much size, strength and speed at our major positions of need with those extra picks and I think that would do much more for our future winning prospects than just throwing RG3 in there.

If it is any consolation, I would not be suggesting trading down if we were sitting at #1. I don’t even know if that makes me a hypocrite…might have to put that to a vote tomorrow.

I am not afraid to pick in our spot, but I do believe we need another year with the perfect blend of quantity and quality. It is a risk, but I would roll the dice.

by Ken Meringolo on Jan 4, 2012 9:02 PM EST up reply actions  

not directed at any one person

I’ve seen a lot of people make various versions of the argument I tried to summarize above on various posts over the past weeks.

Thanks for your clarification. And I don’t disagree that we have more holes than just the QB. I think our secondary is pretty suspect lead by the here-today-gone-tomorrow Alvin Walton Laron Landry & DHall. We could also use some help with OL and WR, but I think all of the offensive positions are too interrelated to know which one needs to be addressed first.

by SkinsLifer on Jan 5, 2012 8:18 AM EST up reply actions  

Locker was a stretch and the few times he hit the field he was spectacular.

Nobody is even considering Landry Jones around here anymore. Its funny because at the beginning of the season everyone was saying Jones was a perfect fit for shannys system now after a couple bad games and a season that really was not so bad as everyone says everyone thinks he is gonna drop out of the 1st round.

Jones was super accurate throwing over 60% in every game except for 3 when he threw for 50% and once below 50%.

I am just saying we take Jones at #6 if RG3 is not there (which he will most likely not be) he has plenty of upside. Big Arm, Accurate, Mobile (not extremely mobile but good enough), good decision making for the most part. If we take him at #6 we can get him a nice weapon like Ashton Jeffereys who might drop to the second round or someone else. Then we can start the season with Grossman or who ever shanny decides to bring in then maybe mid season or event he beginning (if he is ready) we can start Jones.

by squigums on Jan 4, 2012 8:08 PM EST reply actions  

If we go with Rex as the starter next year then I give up on this franchise.

He is a good backup QB and nothing more. These turnovers costed us a lot of games. What Shanny does on offense doesn’t exactly need a Tom Brady, only someone who can manage the game and make the clutch throws… BUT, if we can grab a guy who can do that and be an all around playmaker then we will have an improved team next season. We are in perfect position to trade up for the pick, whether that be Luck or Griffin, so why not pull the trigger?

by xocnodnarb on Jan 5, 2012 1:28 PM EST reply actions  

You need to trade a bunch of picks

for our 2nd round spot so you can get RGIII, or take Bradford when he gets put up for auction.

by OakCityRam on Jan 5, 2012 1:58 PM EST reply actions  

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