The QB Carousel: Coaches Set

by Parks Smith on Jan 31, 2012 8:59 AM EST

Generally when we think of a carousel we think of a gentle children's ride. Kevin Nealon even used it for a nice metaphor for life in Happy Gilmore, "Life's a Merry Go Round...it goes up and down and around...a circle...all good things". All good things except the the Redskins because the quarterback carousel has been one of the most hellacious rides ever created by Six Flags chairman. Instead of going up and down, our carousel just kind of bottoms out or gets stuck about a quarter way up the pole. But can Mike Shanahan shut down the carousel once and for all?

We still don't know which quarterbacks will be playing where next September, but we do know who is going to be coaching now and how might that affect some quarterbacks floating around on the "open market"?

Joe Philbin, Miami Dolphins: Philbin was a hot name all around the NFL coaching scene this offseason and he finally landed in South Beach (well actually a dumpy part of town well north of South Beach). The Dolphins are one of the frontrunners for a QB, but lack the necessary draft position to get a primetime prospect. Would a first year head coach be willing to trade up? I don't think so. Philbin came from being the offensive coordinator for the Packers so you have to think the Dolphins are instantly the frontrunners for Matt Flynn (thank god!).

Jim Caldwell, Baltimore Ravens: In one of the more crazy rumors, some think the Baltimore Ravens are the frontrunners for Peyton Manning. Really? The Ravens? This would be the most un-Ravens like move EVER. I hope it happens because frankly I don't want the risk associated with Manning. If it does happen I hope they promptly send their current starting QB straight down 95.

Tony Sparano, New York Jets: Sparono joins Rex Ryan to create the world's most annoying coaching staff in New York. Mark Sanchez is on the hot seat and Chad Henne is a free agent. I still think Henne can play in this league and I think he'd be a great fit in New York to push Sanchez.

Mike McCoy, Denver Broncos: This is a non-move, but it still could effect the QB landscape. I think if McCoy would've left then Tim Tebow may have been sent packing. Elway isn't sold, he said Tebow is the guy going into TRAINING CAMP; and then, just yesterday, said the Broncos will be looking for other quarterback options for camp. Really John? Just cut the cord buddy! Send Tebow to Jacksonville to create a QB Battle to rival Beck vs Grossman.

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What about Childress to Cleveland?

Of all places I think Flynn fits there best. Same system & speaks same play calling language.

I know this has been beat to death but I just don’t see any QB’s out there that are a better option then RGIII. I think most agree that a possible franshise QB is worth the trade price.

I'm worried about the beer supply. After this case, and the other case, there's only one case left- Barney Gumble

by CptChaosSidekick on Jan 31, 2012 9:26 AM EST via mobile reply actions

I forgot about Mr. Noodle, but I still think Miami is a more likely destination.

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by Parks Smith on Jan 31, 2012 9:28 AM EST up reply actions

as long as its anywhere but D

by prc805 on Jan 31, 2012 9:32 AM EST up reply actions

DC

by prc805 on Jan 31, 2012 9:32 AM EST up reply actions

where ya been Parks?

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by jbh1190 on Jan 31, 2012 9:55 AM EST up reply actions

McNabb to Cleveland?

I read awhile back somewhere that the browns were interested in bringing in a veteran to compete with mccoy…Shumer and Childress are Reid disciples, and that offense is the only offense McNabb has been successful in…maybe they give him a flyer.

But personally, I think McNabb is done in the league; likewise, I think Manning won’t be healthy enough to play next year (although he might try to play the following year).

As for me, all I know is that I know nothing.
*Socrates*

by atark001 on Jan 31, 2012 9:39 AM EST up reply actions

hmmm... I've never considered McNabb to the Browns

I could see that potentially happening.

by mbedner on Jan 31, 2012 9:42 AM EST up reply actions

Sounds like the strip club i went to this weekend

Instead of going up and down, our carousel just kind of bottoms out or gets stuck about a quarter way up the pole.

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by jbh1190 on Jan 31, 2012 9:36 AM EST reply actions

So you've never had a beer in your life but you go to strip clubs?

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by Parks Smith on Jan 31, 2012 10:27 AM EST up reply actions

You just get a blue hand stamp instead of a green one

The world looks mighty different when you're peeking out your belly button

by Skins Fan '77 on Jan 31, 2012 10:48 AM EST up reply actions

He may just be going there for the lick her.... er liquor.

Freudian Slip.

No Danny, Nooooooo - Tom Landry, 1982., and Washington Redskins fans, 1999-

by BillWard on Jan 31, 2012 11:23 AM EST up reply actions

or to collect ping pong balls

by munson21502 on Jan 31, 2012 11:41 AM EST up reply actions

Sober people at strips clubs are some the most dangerous dudes on earth.

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by Parks Smith on Jan 31, 2012 11:42 AM EST up reply actions

Well, it could be a dry bar strip club

But then you just get hammered BEFORE you go…

by willster on Jan 31, 2012 12:24 PM EST up reply actions

I really hope those don't exist

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by Parks Smith on Jan 31, 2012 1:28 PM EST up reply actions

Here in Colorado

All the full nude clubs are alcohol free. Only the tittie bars have beer and liquor

by ipitydafu on Jan 31, 2012 2:02 PM EST up reply actions

Funny story.

But no i don’t drink i’m allergic to the barley

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by jbh1190 on Jan 31, 2012 1:35 PM EST up reply actions

Are you sure?

"Research shows that as many as 20 percent of people claim to have food allergies when the number is actually around 3 to 4 percent," says Hugh Sampson, director of the Jaffe Food Allergy Institute at the Mount Sinai Medical Center in New York.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/consumer-reports-food-allergies-are-not-rampant-and-they-can-change-over-time/2011/11/29/gIQAuXpcLQ_story.html

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by Parks Smith on Jan 31, 2012 1:48 PM EST up reply actions

No but I don't mind being sober.

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by jbh1190 on Jan 31, 2012 2:39 PM EST up reply actions

me neither

sometimes

Where do they teach you to talk like this? In some Panama City "Sailor wanna hump-hump" bar, or is it getaway day and your last shot at his whiskey? Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.

by CJHutch on Jan 31, 2012 2:48 PM EST up reply actions

And the other times, you prefer to watch the Redskins play?

No Danny, Nooooooo - Tom Landry, 1982., and Washington Redskins fans, 1999-

by BillWard on Feb 1, 2012 12:57 PM EST up reply actions

I'll be interested to see what the market is for Jason Campbell and Vince Young

I don’t see Campbell getting more than a backup shot at this point, and probably the same for Vince Young. However, if a QB hungry team picks them up, it might dissuade them from drafting a QB, which could give us more options in the draft.

As for me, all I know is that I know nothing.
*Socrates*

by atark001 on Jan 31, 2012 9:46 AM EST reply actions

they could sign those two as stopgaps and still draft a QB early

by prc805 on Jan 31, 2012 10:08 AM EST up reply actions

true, they might or might not, just throwing it out there

As for me, all I know is that I know nothing.
*Socrates*

by atark001 on Jan 31, 2012 10:19 AM EST up reply actions

Campbell played better than Carson Palmer this season.

I could see him at least get an “open competition” chance somewhere

by DCrez on Jan 31, 2012 10:21 AM EST up reply actions

yea, I could see an open competition somewhere as well

but after so many years in the league now, it seems as if he’ll always be a slow/cautious decision maker…although that could appeal to some coaches

As for me, all I know is that I know nothing.
*Socrates*

by atark001 on Jan 31, 2012 10:30 AM EST up reply actions

As horrible as VY was this year when he played...

If he were to have a full offseason with a team like Cleveland, he might have a shot at winning the starting job

"Honey Badger Don't Care"

by ptowny on Jan 31, 2012 10:26 AM EST up reply actions

and the fact that he's known as "winner" might help his stock too

but between his work ethic/behavior and limited pocket ability, I’m not sure…then again playing under reid and mornhinweg, maybe he learned a few things

As for me, all I know is that I know nothing.
*Socrates*

by atark001 on Jan 31, 2012 10:33 AM EST up reply actions

seriously, this Peyton thing needs to be ignored until he throws a football

Which I do not think will happen for at least another year… IF he can play this year, then I am going to start shaking a tin cup for stem cell surgery (this would be the first time I have ever heard of it working on nerve damage)

The world looks mighty different when you're peeking out your belly button

by Skins Fan '77 on Jan 31, 2012 10:46 AM EST reply actions

rumor has it his arm strength hasn't returned

which sounds like a bad omen to me.

by aFan4Life on Jan 31, 2012 10:49 AM EST up reply actions

And it won't unless/until the nerve regenerates significantly

Think of it this way…

You have a 5 hp DC electric motor–or that motor to run at full power, it might need 12gauge electric cable.
Is that electric cable gets eroded down to 16gauge, you may only get 2 hp… it won’t matter if you increase the voltage to it. It will also not matter if you make the motor larger (which is exactly what the body does)
as the nerve is damaged, the muscle compensates by rewiring the neuromuscular junction, but this results in fewer but larger motor units (muscle fibers). When this happens excessively, the muscle becomes spastic (stiff) and loses its "fast twitch" ability

Now read that once or twice and tell me exactly how well Peyton Manning will be able to throw a football with the tricep muscle on his throwing arm affected this way…
it is just ignorant to gloss over this

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by Skins Fan '77 on Jan 31, 2012 11:24 AM EST up reply actions

hahahaha

I think you blew by most of us. Good thing you didn’t go into 3phase 220

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by jbh1190 on Jan 31, 2012 1:37 PM EST up reply actions

Three phase is actually my specialty

Especially phase generators and open delta
but direct current was a better metaphor (even though our bodies work on a form of alternating current around 15hertz)
is that any clearer?

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by Skins Fan '77 on Jan 31, 2012 2:02 PM EST up reply actions

No not at all

My dad owns a floor company and when i"d have to hook up the sanders (3 phase) I always got so scared….lets just say the NEC would throw a fit

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by jbh1190 on Jan 31, 2012 2:42 PM EST up reply actions

Stem cell therapy has worked on the retinas of two women.

by Jefferson1935 on Jan 31, 2012 6:39 PM EST up reply actions

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/peyton-manning-indianapolis-colts-neck-injury-slow-progress-may-never-play-again-013012

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by Skins Fan '77 on Jan 31, 2012 12:12 PM EST reply actions

On the flip side of the Flynn to Dolphins hypothesis..

If they don’t court Matt Flynn, that says a lot, considering how much Philbin got to see him. If they have no interest in him, run far and fast.

by willster on Jan 31, 2012 12:27 PM EST reply actions

i get some of that logic, but that is overhyped

Shanny had interest in Ryan Torain but not Peyton Hillis two of his former RB’s, doesn’t really equate to each players talent level.

The Dolphins might simply not have the money for Flynn or decide to go in a different direction since Philbin doesn’t have personnel decisions making powers.

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by Steve Shoup on Jan 31, 2012 12:33 PM EST up reply actions

That's true

Most of the time it’s all about the system.

I tend to have my beliefs that Peyton Hillis did something to lose Shanny’s trust as all of Shanny’s victims do. I admit that I was a bigger Keiland Williams fan than I was a Torain fan. But even with Helu, it’s hard to enjoy a beastly RB performance because the next week they might be a healthy scratch.

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by Ohio Redskins on Jan 31, 2012 3:14 PM EST up reply actions

Sure, it's not ironclad or anything

But I would consider their QB situation just as dire as ours. They have Matt Moore, Pat Devlin, and J. P. Losman. They have one pick in each round of the upcoming draft. I’m not going to suggest a trade-up is out of the question for them, but it’s unlikely. That doesn’t leave them with a lot of options for a starting-caliber QB. I’m not familiar with their salary cap situation, but a glance at their roster makes me think they must have plenty of cap space. They’re a real “Who’s Who” of “Who the hell is that?”. Here’s a blurb I found with regards to their biggest cap-affecting players:

But the Dolphins don’t have too many cap-unfriendly players, either. Here are some of the highest cap numbers for 2011:

Paul Soliai: $12.476 million
Jake Long: At least $11.2 million (exact details not known)
Brandon Marshall: $8.55 million
Vernon Carey: $7 million
Karlos Dansby: Around $6 million (exact details not known)
Channing Crowder: $5 million

Excerpt from Daily Dolphin Blog

So no, there are no guarantees here. But I think it’s just as valid to say “If Philbin doesn’t want him, we don’t want him” as it is to say “Flynn will probably end up in Miami because Philbin did”. Perhaps I should amend that to say “If Philbin doesn’t want him, we should be very suspicious as to why.”

by willster on Jan 31, 2012 3:15 PM EST up reply actions

Here's the thing

Marshall’s contract goes up this year, Dansby’s skyrockets to about a $10 million average, and Soliai and Carey are free agents and need to be resigned or replaced. And while Crowder is cutt they replaced hi with Burnett who makes roughly the same.

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by Steve Shoup on Feb 1, 2012 10:04 AM EST up reply actions

Couldn't agree more

Yes I know Flynn blew up the final week of the regular season but that was in the dynamite Packer offense. We don’t have the same weapons or the same offensive schema, meaning I don’t think Flynn would want to play for us anyway.

But if Philbin doesn’t want him, it should be a red flag to everyone.

"If there's football in heaven I will be thinking of Sean Taylor every time it thunders."

by Ohio Redskins on Jan 31, 2012 12:33 PM EST up reply actions

I don't agree about Flynn & Philbin

Jeff Ireland is the GM in Miami & that franchise would like to make a splash at the QB position to try & re-energize their fan base (sell tickets). Here in Southwest Florida there has been a lot of talk about Peyton, it’s probably just talk but if Matt Flynn is not the Dolphins QB, I would not consider it a red flag.

by ENsDad27 on Jan 31, 2012 9:28 PM EST reply actions