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Redskins Draft Prep Round One: Riley Reiff or Jonathan Martin?

Welcome to our Draft Prep series at Hogs Haven. We have loads of time to hone in on individual picks and the many player and position debates that will ensure. Today we are simply looking at seven rounds as if we were just making one pick in each round.

In each of these posts--all of which will hit us in rapid fire this evening--the writer was given just the round in which he was picking. At this point, we are all free to make assumptions about what we will need when that pick comes around and each person was asked to pick two players that he would be choosing between if the pick was his to make.

For each round, we are simply making assumptions about which other positions have been addressed. We are not conferencing with each other at this stage so there could be some overlap of both positions and players. This first iteration of Draft Prep posts is meant to create a baseline for both the guys who will be covering these rounds as we move forward and for everyone's comments in the discussion that will shape the debate that won't end...ever. Every post has a poll for us all to vote on one of the two guys presented. Feel free to suggest other names in rounds where they make sense, but please vote on the polls.

We will layer in the additional picks in each round that the Redskins possess as we move forward and begin determining if the players we are identifying at this point are either moving up or down the draft board. Our goal is to get to April with a pretty good sense of not just what we think the Redskins will do, but what we all think the Redskins should do.

In the first round, I am going to make the assumption that we will not trade up for Andrew Luck or Robert Griffin. I think Justin Blackmon will be gone by the time our turn comes--and yes, I would strongly consider taking him if he fell to us. Based on this, I am calling for an offensive tackle to be selected by the Redskins. It will come down to Riley Rieff and Jonathan Martin.

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Riley Reiff is a 6'6" tackle weighing in right at 300 pounds. He started all but two of his games for Iowa, where they know a little bit about offensive lines. He is adept at both run blocking as well as pass blocking and is considered more than just a consolation prize for whomever doesn't get Matt Kalil. He could easily be good enough to move Trent Williams to the right side, but would at the very minimum give the Shanahans a guy who can play both sides of the line.

Jonathan Martin, similar in size to Rieff, protected Andrew Luck at Stanford. One aspect of the offense at Stanford that often went overlooked was their very decent ground game. Martin was instrumental in paving the way for a rather potent rushing attack while looking after Luck's blind side. He would also come in as a legit left tackle prospect.

It should be noted that Trent Williams might be a natural right tackle in the NFL. If we pick the right guy to come in and play on the left side, we would have a pair of bookend tackles that could protect our quarterback for a decade.

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In the first round, if the Redskins were picking between Riley Rieff and Jonathan Martin, which player should they select?
Riley Reiff
553 votes
Jonathan Martin
222 votes

775 votes | Poll has closed

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I’ve seen Reiff a more and think he has a better chance at sticking at LT. Fwiw, Mayock apparently thinks Reiff’s better than Kalil.

by 2up2down on Jan 30, 2012 5:40 PM EST reply actions  

I like Reiff a lot better. I think Stanford's linemen are good but they have also benefitted from Luck.

Reiff dominates his side of the line every, single week.

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by Parks Smith on Jan 30, 2012 6:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Actually

I meant to say Reiff by a lot, typo. Every time I see Martin he seems so soft, with no mean streak.

by 2up2down on Jan 30, 2012 7:42 PM EST up reply actions  

As of 7:44 PM on Monday Jan 30th, 43 people have voted for Martin.

Those 43 people have never seen either prospect play because it’s a no brainer. In fact some scouts have Reiff rated higher than Kalil.

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by Diesel44 on Jan 30, 2012 7:46 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I saw that this weekend

I don’t understand it either. I’m not taking anything away from Riley Reiff but if we had to pick between Kalil and Reiff then I would have USC protecting the backside for the next 12 – 15 years. That being said, because we don’t have a shot at Kalil, I would trade down from six and try to get Reiff if he were available. TW definately belongs on the right side.

by Fred Dudley on Jan 30, 2012 7:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Williams has always been a natural right tackle

I think the left tackle experiment is over–I would not want a stoner protecting my back.
draft a real left tackle…Reiff

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by Skins Fan '77 on Jan 30, 2012 5:44 PM EST reply actions  

Reiff over Martin

and its not even close for me. I have not been overly impressed with Martin. I think he will be decent by Reiff is leaps and bounds ahead.

by davetrembling on Jan 30, 2012 6:30 PM EST reply actions  

Martin is a good tackle but

He definately benefitted from Luck having a quick release and a ton of scrambling ability when he needed to call on it.

by Fred Dudley on Jan 30, 2012 7:29 PM EST up reply actions  

I chose Martin

but I would take neither at 6 unless I was forced to. Martin is a better run blocker and has a nasty streak. Better RT prospect IMO.

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by Tiller56 on Jan 30, 2012 6:47 PM EST reply actions  

Here is proof positive that Reiff is the right choice.

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by Diesel44 on Jan 31, 2012 12:13 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I agree with that

i see the spin doctors working to sell taking Reiff or Martin as LT’s prospectst, but that mean they wasted a #4 pick on a RT in T Williams. either way you dont take RT’s that high IMO, you gotta get better value for the pick

by Highspeed30 on Jan 30, 2012 6:54 PM EST reply actions  

Yea wasting two Top 10 picks on young, bookend tackles... that would really suck...what would we do as fans?

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by Parks Smith on Jan 30, 2012 7:06 PM EST up reply actions  

You know that you dont draft a RT in the top ten

Cause you can get a RT just as good in the 2nd rd or 3rd, you are suppose to get impact players in the top 10, not RT’s. And if you move T Williams to the Right side then that is a wasted pick cause you could have gotten FS Eric Berry with the 4th pick and gotten a RT somewhere else.

by Highspeed30 on Jan 30, 2012 8:49 PM EST up reply actions  

I like Trent

but I remember that draft I was so pissed off when we didn’t take Berry.

by Wilmncskinsfan on Jan 30, 2012 8:51 PM EST up reply actions  

me too I tought Berry was the best player in that draft overall

I am just saying you have to get impact players with top 10 picks not just a RT that you could have gotten in the 2nd rd

by Highspeed30 on Jan 30, 2012 9:31 PM EST up reply actions  

So by this theory we would have gotten a tackle in 3rd round who is "just as good" as a Top 5 pick?

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by Parks Smith on Jan 30, 2012 9:56 PM EST up reply actions  

damn those Cowboys for drafting Smith last year

and if Trent can’t cut it, that doesn’t mean you ignore the position

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by Steve Shoup on Jan 31, 2012 1:49 AM EST up reply actions  

It's not a waste having 2 OL

with one at pick 4 and another at pick 6. Jury’s still out on TW, I think he’s out of position right now. The scenario calls for either or….I’m taking Rieff based on Mayock, I trust the guy probably more than most of the experts in their analysis

by Bryan Black on Jan 30, 2012 9:09 PM EST via Android app up reply actions  

I don't think drafting either Tackle here is the answer

We had bookend tackles with Samuels and Jansen for years and while it was nice to not worry about that position, they were still blocking for Jeff George and Patrick Ramsey. A quarterback can make a line look good but a line can’t really make a bad quarterback much better. We need a franchise quarterback and I would say trade up for RG3 if the asking price at all within reason. I am not saying we don’t need to sure up this line, we definitely do, but that can be done without using the 6th overall pick.

We can’t keep playing the maybe we’ll find a 2nd round gem or maybe next year we’ll be in good position for Barkley card

by bgsmith4 on Jan 30, 2012 7:03 PM EST reply actions  

If we trade up for RGIII

What second rounder are you going to use to draft a right tackle? Reiff could come in and start at left tackle and we could move TW to the right side.

by Fred Dudley on Jan 30, 2012 7:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Reiff’s much more athletic, plus Martin’s stock has dropped after this season where he appeared not to be as “dominant.”

People say 6 is too high to take a RT, well it’d be my own personal preference that Trent gets bumped over to right and Reiff remains your LT. Then again, people would then complain about spending the 4th pick on a RT… Sunk cost, but I’d rather Shanahan swallow his pride and have 2 good bookends rather than be stubborn and “strip the screw” that is trying turning Trent Williams into an elite LT. I don’t think he’s a bust by any means, but he did play on the right side in college, and if you have the chance to sure up the line, why not do it?

by Brutus89 on Jan 30, 2012 7:07 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

Two options

TW to the right side or Jamaal Brown? Enough said.

by Bryan Black on Jan 30, 2012 9:11 PM EST via Android app up reply actions  

reiff

I had read that he struggles sometimes in pass protection. I cant say I watched Iowa a ton this year, nor am I skilled enough to really determine how good he is, but I did notice he was beaten twice in the bowl game.

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by Redskin44 on Jan 30, 2012 7:31 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

reiff

to protect peyton manning sounds good

by munson21502 on Jan 30, 2012 10:36 PM EST reply actions  

Reiff the next Lachey

Jon Jansen who knows something about playing tackle said that Reiff should have stayed in school and could have been the next Jake Long (in the mix for the top overall pick) next year.
I think he reminds me more of Jim Lachey and will have a smooth 10 year career in the NFL.. He can be as good as he wants to be..
I think there are 5 Tackles who deserve to go in the top 20 picks..Martin/Khalil/Reiff/Glenn/Adams… i dont think we could go wrong with ANY of them..That is why i would be in favor of trading back and taking whoever is left at 10-12 range and picking up extra picks that way

by shally on Jan 30, 2012 10:49 PM EST reply actions  

I say Reiff

because it’s s 2-for-1. Trent moves over, solving Jammal Brown, and we get a very competent new LT.

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by ripST on Jan 31, 2012 12:14 AM EST reply actions  

I agree with the RT move 1st round

Also I disagree with the whole impact player in top 10 nonsense. OL can very much be impact players. They directly affect the run and pass game. I believe with a dominant OL that Helu, Royster, & Hightower would tear it up in the run game giving even a mediocre QB fantastic opportunities to make plays through the air. Example: Tebow vs Steelers. Because Denver’s run game was so dominate the defense sat in the box the entire game. That left an unknown Thomas to wreak havoc in the secondary. We should all be able to admit that even Rex is a better passer than Tebow at this point. But that game made Tebow look wayyyyy better than he is.

On a side note: Thanks Ken. These types of posts are much better than the QB threads. Perfect thing to keep my mind off fucking school.

by ipitydafu on Jan 31, 2012 1:24 AM EST reply actions  

+1

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by Steve Shoup on Jan 31, 2012 1:51 AM EST up reply actions  

I agree that OLine is very important, but:

Using Denver as your example is suspect. Denver ran so much because Tebow CANT throw it for the most part. Not to mention they have Moreno and Tebow, two gifted runners. And when you mention that they have “an unknown Thomas to wreak havoc in the secondary,” be aware that’s Demaryus Thomas, a 1st round draft pick WR. He’s very very talented.

by StephanHart on Jan 31, 2012 9:09 AM EST up reply actions  

i agree he might have oversimplified things

but I think his point of having that strong ground game to help the QB is very valid. Not only does strengthening the O-line help our new QB stay upright, but if it can bring us closer to that Texans/old Broncos running game we will be looking good.

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by Steve Shoup on Jan 31, 2012 11:25 AM EST up reply actions  

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