The Franchise Tag and the Redskins
by Parks Smith on Dec 30, 2011 8:30 AM EST
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PrintThere has been a lot of discussion around the league of who will warrant a franchise tag this upcoming season. Over the next couple of weeks and months we will certainly go into more detail about each Redskins free agent, but lets take a look at the projected cost of franchising some of our own players.
LaRon Landry, Safety
Projected Franchise Tender: $6.22M - $6.459M
Projected Transition Tender: $5.391M - $5.599M
Landry has been the most talked about potential franchise tag player for the Skins. Many feel he has not earned a long term deal and the franchise tag could benefit the Skins by giving Landry another year to get healthy. For under $6.5 million the franchise tag option may not be as steep as predicted for Bruce Allen and his salary cap.
London Fletcher, LB
Projected Franchise Tender: $8.843M - $9.183M
Projected Transition Tender: $7.869M - $8.171M
If Fletcher wants to go at it another year, and it sounds like he does, then the Redskins should bend over backwards to give him whatever he wants. To say he's earned it is an understatement. It wouldn't make the most sense, but the Skins could franchise Fletcher for around $9 million.
Fred Davis, TE
Projected Franchise Tender: $5.416M - $5.624M
Projected Transition Tender: $4.673M - $4.852M
Davis certainly doesn't deserve a big contract after his off the field actions this year, but franchising the tight end who made less than $500,000 this year (due to the suspension) could be a far fetched option.
Rex Grossman, QB: Just kidding, but for those interested in what it would cost the Packers to franchise Matt Flynn then here are the numbers:
Projected Franchise Tender: $14.374M - $14.926M
Projected Transition Tender: $12.409M - $12.886M
Steep to say the least on the quarterbacks. All of these numbers, along with a lot of other good "front office" information can be found on FootballOutsiders.
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Laron
Give him the franchise Fred and London three year contracts.
by trueredskinm on Jan 3, 2012 5:20 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Franchise Davis, Transistion Landry, get the deal done with Fletcher before Free Agency.
Fletch wants to be here, and we want him here, so that should be doable without having to use a tag, and Davis is worth something around his Franchise number (he’s actually worth closer to the transistion number, I think). You aren’t talking about a huge jump between Franchise and Transistion for either Landry or Davis, so Franchise one and Transistion the other.
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I hope fletch stays
I’m not as optimistic as others that he wants to stay here instead of joing a SB contender next year. NE and NO could both be interested in his services and leadership
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New Orleans is the one that really scares me since Gregg Williams and him go way back
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Great, now you've scared me
Thanks a lot Steve, now I have my fingers crossed Gregg Williams gets a HC job haha
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haha sorry
though if GW gets a head coaching job and they need a MLB he could still go after Fletcher. Remember he brought him both to Buffalo and here. My hope is Fletcher doesn’t want to move again and he does seem to like Haslett.
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Greggggg Williams has Jonathon Vilma at MLB
Vilma is signed thru 2014
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Vilma hasn't been that effective these last two years
he was even giving away time to JoLonn Dunbar (yeah I don’t know who he is either which makes me think they could look for an upgrade). He had his knee scoped during the year and they could make him a cap casualty.
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He was a pro bowler in 09 & 10.
Doesn’t mean much consider they screw LFB over each year. I would have to wonder why LFB would want to return to the Skins.
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yeah i think 2010 was name recognition and the Saints overall success
2009 he def. deserved it as he had a great year. He’s making less and less tackles, and his pass coverage is really failing. If they think this knee injury is going to be a problem I def. think they could cut him.
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haha
yeah that is my fear that Williams is fed up with Vilma’s nagging knee injuries and wants his guy.
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I don't know about that...
he has all ready won a SB with the rams back in the day, so I think he would more likely stay and retire a redskin…contender or not.
by jkitts84 on Jan 4, 2012 8:03 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
i think he should, but there are a few situations that could interest him
It’s not a given, but hopefully Shanny lets Fletcher know how important he is, and that we will be making more changes to further improve (on defense as well).
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why would you commit that much money to LaRon Landry
there is zero benefit for the skins to do that.
I could maybe understand using the Transition tag on Davis, though I wouldn’t be shocked if someone else offered him more money, at which point I’d say they have to turn down. I guess a Franchise tag is possible, but still risky.
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If we could keep Davis and Landry happy with Bill's plan, I'd go with that.
Fletcher can have two or three years, because he’s a machine.
We should be looking at getting him onto the coaching staff too.
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by Stephen Beagrie on Jan 4, 2012 5:23 AM EST up reply actions
Tag Dirty 30 and trade him
I think we ought to tag landry and trade him in a deal for Sam Bradford… Resign davis and fletcher!
yeah, that sounds perfect
Trade him and Banks straight up for Bradford, then we still have our first round pick.
Where do they teach you to talk like this? In some Panama City "Sailor wanna hump-hump" bar, or is it getaway day and your last shot at his whiskey? Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.
by CJHutch on Jan 3, 2012 5:27 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
HAHA
What exactly has Bradford done to deserve us trading for him ?
He is an excellent young QB
He just had a shitty line, a passing scheme that required him to sit and let plays develop (which caused him to get rocked by DE and linebackers), and he had NO weapons whatsoever. I’d be thrilled to have him in this system. Plus, we’ll be substantially better on offense and can build around his skill set.
what exactly has
Landry done?
Truthfully, I was kidding. That trade isn’t the least bit plausible. Besides, nobody ’s gonna trade for Landry anyway.
Where do they teach you to talk like this? In some Panama City "Sailor wanna hump-hump" bar, or is it getaway day and your last shot at his whiskey? Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.
by CJHutch on Jan 4, 2012 1:46 AM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
both davis and landry
havent been very good imo. cooley has been out for what seems like forever and davis didnt use that to claim the clear number 1 TE spot. landry hasnt been able to stay healthy i=and cant cover very well. i rather have a good cover guy and a shore tackel then one or 2 big hits a month. so they eiher resign for the money we want to pay them or they can walk
yes but in addition to his off the field issues
I don’t really like the idea of franchising him. For a guy that struggles blocking as much as he does, and simply disappears from some games, it is a big risk. Fred Davis to me is a great 3rd option TE, but if you expect him to be Gronk, Gonzalez, Finley etc. and carry your offense you are in trouble.
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TEs are often more a product of their qb than their actual talent I think
Gronk wouldnt be setting any records in DC, that’s for sure, and I can certainly envsion Davis having a monster season with Brady as his qb. From now on Davis is one puff from a year suspension so I’d be fine if we parted ways…
exactly
No chance he’s worth top 5 money
Where do they teach you to talk like this? In some Panama City "Sailor wanna hump-hump" bar, or is it getaway day and your last shot at his whiskey? Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.
by CJHutch on Jan 4, 2012 1:49 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
sure
For maybe 3 or 4 games. But he has never been consistently productive. One of the top tight ends? Sorry, not even close.
Where do they teach you to talk like this? In some Panama City "Sailor wanna hump-hump" bar, or is it getaway day and your last shot at his whiskey? Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.
by CJHutch on Jan 4, 2012 1:48 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I've seen the stats
Half of his yards came with the game decided. At least, the games he wasn’t invisible ( or suspended). He’s not a Red Zone threat. He might around the 10th best tight end. Might be. If that’s what you meant by one of the best, that’s fine. I just don’t consider that “one of the best”.
Where do they teach you to talk like this? In some Panama City "Sailor wanna hump-hump" bar, or is it getaway day and your last shot at his whiskey? Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.
I wouldn't franchise any of them...
Landry: His play this year (when healthy) doesn’t warrant it!… Let him walk.
Sleepy: If he truly commits to stay away from the reefer… Offer him a contract (with lots of clauses protecting us in case he “lights up” and is suspended for a year!
London: Bring him back… I don’t care if he’s Methuselah… I don’t care if he’s the Spokesman for Depends Adult Diapers®…. I don’t care if he uses Polydent Denture Cleaner… I don’t care if he keeps “regular” thanks to Metamucil Fiber Supplement… etc. etc. etc.
Sexy: Really? Do we need to discuss this?
the Grossman thing was just to show what the Pack would have to commit to Flynn
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unfortunately we have no one worth franchising
just pay London, no need for a tag
We need to make it rain for Fletcher
Make it rain like it does in Seattle!
OH YEAH!!!
by the maroon bird on Jan 3, 2012 6:02 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Maybe we could trade our tags for a draft pick or a player
Because I certainly don’t see anyone on our roster who I would use a tag on
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It was a joke sir
The world looks mighty different when you're peeking out your belly button
by Skins Fan '77 on Jan 4, 2012 9:30 AM EST up reply actions
How does it work?
Can you franchise a new player each year? Or can there only be one or two or ??? number of franchise tag players on the roster?
thanks
by les boulez bomber on Jan 3, 2012 6:06 PM EST reply actions
no one on that list is a franchise tag player though
by les boulez bomber on Jan 3, 2012 6:14 PM EST up reply actions
You franchise an impending free agent,, thats it
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so you get one per year
or only one guy can be franchised at a time
that is what i was asking
by les boulez bomber on Jan 3, 2012 6:56 PM EST up reply actions
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franchise_tag
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i'm not sure in the new CBA
in the old CBA if you franchised someone and signed him during a certain window then you’d get the tag back for the next year. But if you signed him during another time period the tag was lost for the duration of the contract. I’m pretty sure that has changed though.
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Parks -
I think that I threw-up in my mouth and crapped my pants before I read the ‘just kidding’ about tagging Rex.
Franchise Landry. Relatively cheap solution to plugging one of the many potential holes on the roster with no long term commitment. If Landry plays like the beast that he was last year before he got hurt, sign him long term before the season is over. If he doesn’t improve, cut bait at the end of next year and address safety next off season.
personally, i think he has missed too much time. he has missed the better part of two seasons. i would look to sign him to a lesser contract- even multiyear. but i liked your reasoning, i wouldnt pull the trigger at that price
i wonder if his body is breaking down from being too roided up?
by les boulez bomber on Jan 3, 2012 6:58 PM EST up reply actions
Only problem with Franchising Landry is
if he does well, then he will expect top five money and he’s not worth a multi-year top five money.
Let him walk
And then we can address that postion in 2013 FA / Draft. One less thing to worry about this year.
by WestCoastHokie on Jan 4, 2012 2:07 PM EST up reply actions
Why would you have to tag Davis?
Isn’t he a restricted free agent? Worst case, the skins get a 2nd round pick. Landry in the other case is a different story because there are no big time SS in the draft or in free agency.
Besides, i don’t want a repeat performance of Rogers where they gave up on him and he goes somewhere else and becomes a pro bowler.
no he's not a restricted free agent
players only need 4 years of service time to be unrestricted
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simple, you use the Franchise tag as...
leverage in negotiations with LL. When healthy, he is a beast, and I would like to give him the chance to get there. But I also would like protection if he doesn’t.
Fletch is a given, and, thanks Freddy, smoking dope is an advantage, FOR US! He practically has no leg to stand on and will have to sign what is offered.
at this point Landry is praying he gets franchised so I don't see how that is leverage for him
Landry isn’t going to get the mega deal he wants with this injury, so a franchise tag gives him a real nice 1 year pay day, while he builds up his long term value.
I wouldn’t count out Davis just yet, yes the suspension cost him some money and leverage, but he’ll still have suitors. Remember Santonio Holmes was suspended for the first 4 or 5 games last year, still managed a $10 million a year contract (if he is disciplined again he’s likely suspended for a year as well). Vincent Jackson, held out and then was suspended last season yet they Franchised him for $11.4 million (and might do it again). Yes Davis might not sign a mega deal and there could be some escape clauses if he gets caught again, but it will be pretty pricey.
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None of them are worth a fanchise tag..
LaRon- missed 16 games out of the last 32. Let him walk..
LFB- Too big of a cap hit. Give him a 2-3 yr deal around 18 mil with 9-12 guaranteed
Davis- 3 Yr deal w/ incentives out the arse.
Rex- he should be “code reded” in his sleep and never allowed in Redskin park again.
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by Diesel44 on Jan 3, 2012 7:32 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
How many more years does Fletcher have?
He has really slowed down.
Laron “Bust” Landry: Like any WR he tries to cover lets say ‘SEE YA!’
Keep Fred.
Slowed down? He leads the league in tackles.
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he means he is not as fast on the field- which is true. the decline is noticeable from previous seasons
by les boulez bomber on Jan 3, 2012 8:01 PM EST up reply actions
It is?
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I don't see it.
He ran circles around Rocky Mac and the fact that he lead the league in tackles shows you how quick he is to the ball.
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by Diesel44 on Jan 3, 2012 8:09 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I get what you are saying but I hope we have a better barometer than this
He ran circles around Rocky Mac
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by Steve Shoup on Jan 3, 2012 8:13 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Just hate Rocky and will get a dig on him any chance I get.
Henson, Blades and Rocky need to get into a convertible and do a Thelma and Louise off of a cliff.
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by Diesel44 on Jan 3, 2012 8:28 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
haha Henson, there's a name I haven't thought about in awhile
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no i'm with you
i just didn’t want Rocky McIntosh to be the benchmark of well anything
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dont mistake what i am saying. he had a great year, is the only real leader on this team and deserves to be paid legitimately. i dont think franchise tag money but i dont think he will hold out for that
but he is definitely slower than in the past. do you really think a 37 year old man is as fast as he was at 32? his speed is more evident when he is in coverage- not running five to ten yards closing on a running back who may even be running towards him
by les boulez bomber on Jan 3, 2012 8:31 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Yes, he's living proof. Even if he did lose speed you can make it up with experience, angles, etc.
do you really think a 37 year old man is as fast as he was at 32?
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the only semi-red flags are
Fletcher took plays off this year, which is something he’s never done in the past. And his coverage didn’t seem as proficient as past years. We saw more wide open backs and TE’s who got YAC where in years past they’d be stopped dead in their tracks.
Neither is even close to a reason to move on from Fletcher, but they do bear watching.
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Don't franchise Laron.
He’s ALMOST as overrated as DHall, but at least DHall is always healthy.
Let him walk, if his achilles doesn’t blow out before he gets to the parking lot.
I see it as more cushion for the pushin'
by iH8dallas on Jan 3, 2012 8:38 PM EST via mobile reply actions 1 recs
haha
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Man I wish DHall's contract was up
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He's an expensive one.
His tackling is getting better, especially against the run.
I see it as more cushion for the pushin'
by iH8dallas on Jan 3, 2012 8:58 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
really you can cut him at any time
He’s scheduled to count $6.8 million against the cap, but his release fee is just $600K, so you’d save $6.2 million. I probably wouldn’t cut him this year, unless they have a deal in place for a replacement (Brandon Carr, Tyrell Thomas?). Instead I’d suffer through another year and sign and draft some young quality depth corners, cut Hall next season and make CB a priority then.
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it would be one thing if laron would just get the damn surgery, especially considering the recovery time.
but he keeps delaying it and the more he waits the more i would consider definitely letting him walk.
parks, how did you like my capitalization?
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Is there really such a poll??? haha
Because I’d like to know how many screen names Matt Flynn has for him to be the talk of every blog on SB Nation
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Wow, where can I buy a ballcap?
That would rock in burgundy and gold
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by Skins Fan '77 on Jan 4, 2012 10:46 AM EST up reply actions
You have to win
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by Parks Smith on Jan 4, 2012 10:51 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Thanks now I won't sleep tonight
Fucking clowns
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by 64ShagginWagon on Jan 4, 2012 10:54 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Coooollll...
If you stare at it for five minutes, and then look at a blank wall,
you see Jim Zorn
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by Skins Fan '77 on Jan 4, 2012 10:59 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
haha +1
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I thought he did get the surgery?
Or was it just that he was advised to?
that was his monkey's achilles
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Franchise Landry
Davis resign Fred Davis and Fletcher.
Laron can flat out ball. though there are injury concerns. He is on of the best playmaker on the defense.
Did no one learn from Carlos Rogers.
or Ryan Clark,
or Jason Campbell
Stop letting first round picks and our most talented players leave washington.
So we should keep them...errr...just because?
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Do I live in the Twilight Zone?
Am I in some parallel universe where Laron Landry doesn’t suck and Jason Campbell doesn’t throw the ball one yard on 3rd & 8?
I see it as more cushion for the pushin'
Landry a year ago was considered to be one of the best strong safeties in the league.
Jason Campbell is a whole lot better then Rex Grossman.
by JeanBaptiste on Jan 4, 2012 11:06 AM EST up reply actions
haha well done, maybe a bit harsh but still pretty funny
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There seem to be alot of people on this site
That have forgotten that Rogers was dying to get out if DC. Couldn’t have kept him even if we wanted to. Besides he was tanking last year on purpose.
And Jason Campbell….. really? Do we have to go over this one again.
The Blue Royster Cult needs more cow bell.
by 64ShagginWagon on Jan 4, 2012 10:53 AM EST up reply actions
These people?
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Does that really work
If you have to read all the posts?
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by Skins Fan '77 on Jan 4, 2012 10:57 AM EST up reply actions
Yea I've heard that London has wanted to play for a defensive mastermind like Juan Castillo for the longest time
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They were more known for the their "bend but don't break" defense
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