Redskins Mock Draft 1.0
by Parks Smith on Jan 3, 2012 1:01 PM EST
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PrintOver the next couple of months there will be more than exhaustive talks about our draft prospects, no one will agree and, sadly, it is one of the most fun times of the year to be a Redskins fan. To keep track of the first round and players stock after all-star games, combine, pro days, etc. we will be compiling a monthly first round mock draft. So here is version 1.0. In later months we will have different variations, including trades and other writers from Hogs Haven.
1. Indianapolis Colts: Andrew Luck, QB, Stanford
New leadership is on the horizon in Indy and that seems to signal the arrival of Andrew Luck more and more.
2. St. Louis Rams: Matt Kalil, OT, USC
Rams will likely have to decide between Blackmon or Kalil, in the end I think they choose to protect Bradford. They can grab a WR in the 2nd round to put alongside Brandon Lloyd.
3. Minnesota Vikings: Morris Claiborne, CB, LSU
The Vikings will also be tempted by getting a primetime receiver like Blackmon for Christian Ponder, but the new Vikings GM opts to shore up the Vikings dreadful secondary.
4. Cleveland Browns: Justin Blackmon, WR, Oklahoma State
The Browns goal last year was to surround Colt McCoy with some talent. Greg Little was a great pick and they'll continue to bolster their WR corps with Blackmon. RG3 will be passed up and if McCoy doesn't work out then the table is set for a guy like Barkley, Murray, or Bray in 2013.
5. Tampa Bay Buccaneers: Trent Richardson, RB, Alabama
With the continued troubles of LaGarrette Blount the Bucs will opt to solidify the running game with Richardson.
Redskins' pick and the rest of the mock after the jump...
6. Washington Redskins: Robert Griffin III, QB, Baylor
Didn't think RG3 could fall in the Skins lap? There is still a possibility if there are no big trades in front of the Skins. Jeff Fisher's potential arrival in Miami could be the big wild card.
7. Jacksonville Jaguars: Quinton Coples, DE, Jaguars
It seems like the Jags are looking for an offensive head coach, but there is no "playmaker" they can reach for a 6th overall. They grab Coples to improve their woeful pass rush.
8. Miami Dolphins: Jonathan Martin, OT, Stanford
Marc Colombo isn't getting any younger or better, so the Dolphins grab a RT to solidify their line.
9. Carolina Panthers: Dre Kirkpatrick, CB, Alabama
Panthers can put up points but they need to be able to stop them. Kirkpatrick would be a huge upgrade in the secondary.
10. Buffalo Bills: Melvin Ingram, DE, South Carolina
The Bills need a pass rusher and Ingram has been a monster. They could look to bolster the o-line here also.
11. Kansas City Chiefs: Riley Reiff, OT, Iowa
12. Seattle Seahawks: David DeCastro, G, Stanford
13. Arizona Cardinals: Luke Kuechly, LB, Boston College
14. Dallas Cowboys: Mark Barron, S, Alabama
15. Philadelphia Eagles: Vontaze Burfict, LB, Arizona State
16. New York Jets: Alshon Jeffery, WR, South Carolina
17. Cincinnati Bengals: Alfonzo Dennard, CB, Nebraska
18. San Diego Chargers: Michael Floyd, WR, Notre Dame
19. Denver Broncos: Landry Jones, QB, Oklahoma
20. Chicago Bears: Devon Still, DE, Penn State
21. Tennessee Titans: Andre Branch, DE, Clemson
22. Cincinnati Bengals: Cordy Glenn, G, Georgia
23. New York Giants: Kelechi Osemele, OG, Iowa State
24. Houston Texans: Zebrie Sanders, OL, Florida State
25. Cleveland Browns: Courtney Upshaw, LB, Alabama
26. Detroit Lions: Mike Adams, OT, Ohio State
27. Baltimore Ravens: Dont'a Hightower, LB, Alabama
28. Pittsburgh Steelers: Jarvis Jones, OLB, Georgia
29. New England Patriots: Chase Minnifield, CB, Virginia
30. San Francisco 49ers: Dwight Jones, WR, North Carolina
31. New England Patriots: Fletcher Cox, DL, Mississippi State
32. Green Bay Packers: Jarred Crick, DE, Nebraska
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by Al_CaPWNED on Jan 3, 2012 1:08 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
Off subject but
Parks, what do you think Payton Manning’s future is with Indy now that the Polians are gone? Would a new GM release him because of his contract and the injury?
by redskins-texas-fan on Jan 3, 2012 1:11 PM EST reply actions
Peyton is owed to $28mil 3 days before trading is allowed to start. The colts basically have to release him. Irsay saud yesterday he still doesnt know if Peyton will ever play football again.
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by Kevin Ewoldt on Jan 3, 2012 1:15 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Droid T9 fail.
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by Kevin Ewoldt on Jan 3, 2012 1:15 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
he's got limited shelf time
so it’s got to be somebody on the verge of winning the SB. I think the Vikings have passed that by (they’re past their peak) but he would still make quite an impact. maybe the Dolphins, Browns or Broncos (imagine Denver with a QB who can throw the ball). What if the 49ers get tired of Alex Smiths mediocrity? Manning at SF would be scary.
Jets.
Manning Mania hits New York.
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yeah i think they are definitely the team for him
if i were them, i would try to trade sanchez to free up some cap room and draft another young stud peyton could mentor
by les boulez bomber on Jan 3, 2012 4:24 PM EST up reply actions
Easier said than done!
Who in the hell would trade for Sanchez?
by JD For Breakfast on Jan 4, 2012 10:26 AM EST up reply actions
We would for one. Sanchez has value- not as much as other QBs- but it is not zero.
Brian Shottenheimer is the OC, and he is not that good….another coach’s son who never played football.
by les boulez bomber on Jan 4, 2012 10:39 AM EST up reply actions
It's a tough one man, it's totally dependent on his health.
Part of me keeps thinking we’ve seen the last of Manning. I think Irsay is clearly going after Luck with the Polian move yesterday. So I think it comes down to 1) Is Peyton healthy in March 2) Is anyone dumb enough to trade for him (not sure he’d pass a physical) and… 3) Would Peyton restructure.
But I really don’t think he’s healthy.
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I think Manning made the contract so that it’s either you keep him or release him, not a chance to trade
that's what I read also
The timing of the bonus is what is driving the “keep or cut” restriction. In other words, if he isn’t completely healed he’ll be gone. They’d be crazy to pass on Luck.
I would be shocked to hear Peyton did not have a no trade clause.
He will no longer a Colt. Parks is very likely right on his hunch with this one. They will draft Luck or RG3 for sure.
by les boulez bomber on Jan 3, 2012 3:12 PM EST up reply actions
I don't understand why Polian's deptarture makes Luck more likely
Caldwell isn’t a known developer of QBs and Polian didn’t want to trade the pick…he wanted Luck apparently.
Why do you think the opposite? I don’t have the answer, but I am wondering why people think this when all of the reporting goes the other way, including reports of discord between Peyton and Polian.
because polian and manning have a relationship…and a good one. and it created a very awkward scenario for him to tell manning he is going in a different direction after 10+ years of great service and signing a huge extension last year
the owner cleared the way to avoid that awkwardness by bringing in a new gm who does not have a history with peyton that can make that call much more pleasant.
i think we all know you can not give a guy a 28mm dollar roster bonus to a 35 year old qb who had three surgeries in his next, including experimental stem cell surgery, and has not practiced in over a year…when you are sitting on the top pick in the draft deep with rookie qb prospects
by les boulez bomber on Jan 3, 2012 3:16 PM EST up reply actions
we should upgrade GMs today…make the call Danny
that guy has built two separate super bowl winning teams and a took a brand new franchise with no players to the NFC conference championship team. he is one of the best!
by les boulez bomber on Jan 3, 2012 3:17 PM EST up reply actions
I would definately say Buffalo was a dynasty in the 90s and the Colts with Peyton also deserves that dynasty label
that guy has built two separate super bowl winning teams
Two dynasties in two eras (pre/post salary cap) Now that’s impressive
That's what I read - that the Polians were the ones with
connections to Luck. So my totally uninformed guess was that Irsay wanted to keep Manning, and the Polians wanted Luck, so Irsay had to fire the Polians.
Nice Mock.
I still hope things work out so we get Griffin.
I see it as more cushion for the pushin'
by iH8dallas on Jan 3, 2012 1:14 PM EST via mobile reply actions
hey H8 a few of us wil be in Raleigh to drink and watch the draft....you in?
"You can build a million bridges, suck one dick, you're not a bridgebuilder you are a cocksucker." - - Woody Harrelson
If it's on a Thursday night again, I can't.
I appreciate the invite and I’d love to, but this lame job gets in the way.
I see it as more cushion for the pushin'
by iH8dallas on Jan 3, 2012 1:26 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
know what you mean, a few of the boys change every season and it's like they rotate due to jobs, kids...etc.
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I've been saying it for a month.
RG3 is going 2nd in the draft via a trade up from either Us, Dolphins, or the Browns. We should have St. Louis on speed dial.
@Callahan_9 on the twitter machine.
Can't wait to get my Zima case from you
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I think the Skins have the most solid FO out of all those teams.
I’ll give it to Bruce, he can wheel and deal. If they want RG3 that bad they will take him.
I see it as more cushion for the pushin'
by iH8dallas on Jan 3, 2012 1:29 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I would NOT trade up at all !!!! For what it would cost us all it would do is set us back from rebuilding. And who knows the guy could be a bust making it really bad idea.
you wouldn't trade up for luck?
for this year’s first second and fourth…next years first third and fourth?
this is y
It could cost as much as 3 1st round picks would you do that ?? I know if I was Mr. Allen I sure wouldn’t
well...3 first rounders really mean 2
because we could get luck. If we were to add grubbs and bowe in free agency…resign fletch, landry and davis; we would have a team that could compete for the East immediately
by ptowny on Jan 3, 2012 5:55 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Not worth it
Really not worth trading 3 1st round picks period if you are willing to do that you will not see that from the skins maybe the browns. If they do I might have to rethink my reasons for rooting for a teams run by complete idiots.
i agree trading picks is ridiculous the way we've done it in the past...
tell me…what position could we address with the next 2 drafts with the first round pick that would not be worth having the highest rated QB since manning? now think about it, you are willing to use free agency to fill a qb hole for a few years so we can draft high at another position. Why not draft high a QB and fill those other areas of need in free agency with smart, young talent?
I am not a Skins Excutive
But if I was I would look at Flynn tape as much as I could to determine if he is what I want. If he isn’t then of course pass. Then you have to look at the draft to fill that hole or ( shutters ) leave Rex there. If it is the draft you could trade up for Luck if you felt your team has very little needs. but we know this not to be true. Besides the difference between us and Indy was they were #1 that year I think ( could be wrong I am too lazy to look ) Just say we do reach and give up just 2 1st round picks a 2nd and 5th over 2 years and he doesn’t do as well as projected. Then we are years behind vers picking with our own picks or trading back to gain more players. That is my mentality of it but it’s just a crap shoot.
by Flamer on Jan 3, 2012 6:10 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
It would take longer to watch an episode of Seinfeld...
than it would take to watch Flynn tape.Noone is a sure thing….but Luck is about as close as it gets. It seems that most players don’t bust because of a lack of talent, it’s a lack of work ethic, poor system, or the talent around them is too weak. The addition of grubbs and bowe in free agency would allow this team to have a team that could put lots of points on the board, with a defense in place that could use the rest of a team that can get first downs. QB is one of those positions where elite only comes every 5 years…this is that year
Maybe
Even you said it no one is a lock. Then why are you suggesting we trade away the farm for someone who might not pan out? I rather pick a QB who might fall to us RG3 ( as some mocks have him not that I believe them ) or another. Or even take a chance on Flynn. They all contain risks but lessen the risk is using your own picks not trading away the farm to take 1 risk.
it's not so much trading the farm...
it’s more like a patio garden. There is no lock….but like i said, his scouting grades are through the roof.
If Flynn comes in, we use a 2nd rounder on a guy to groom. Now we’ve spent money that could have given us a pro bowl caliber Olineman and used a 2nd round pick that could have given us a perennial starter at RT. Now we have a backup QB starting and rookie on the bench who will only get developed in the offseason.
but what if you are wrong
and it is two firsts, a second, third and two fourths over two years like was mentioned
i would give that up for andrew luck in a heart beat…he is also on a rookie contract on the new wage scale so you are not guaranteeing him 50mm like stl did with bradford
by les boulez bomber on Jan 3, 2012 6:21 PM EST up reply actions
It wouldn't cost that much
Not that Indy is trading the pick. But a very close situation in terms of draft position was the Rivers/Manning deal. SD gave up that years first and third, and the following years first and fifth.
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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Jan 3, 2012 5:56 PM EST up reply actions
i'm typically opposed to trading up...
but this is an opportunity to get a legit prospect. We could have debates on hogshaven for the next 10-15 years and never have to bring up the likes of matt flynn or tannehill ever ever again.
by ptowny on Jan 3, 2012 5:59 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
If that is the case
It still is NOT worth it for a player who might bust and put your rebuilding on hold for 7 years or more
Rather
They take a chance on Flynn and trade down but you are right we know nothing of what they are going to do just what could be done. But I will say it here if they trade up for Luck no matter how good he is I will not believe another word from this front office ever.
This is a good policy regardless
I will not believe another word from this front office ever.
I live in CO and have watched Shanny for years. I wouldn’t believe him if he said water was wet.
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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Jan 3, 2012 6:04 PM EST up reply actions
Ooh, Ooh, I know this one
Andre Johnson?
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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Jan 3, 2012 6:13 PM EST up reply actions
haha...
i’m guessing your talking about the Redskins Andre Johnson….1st round pick that never played a down for us! WTF
Heath Shuler?
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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Jan 3, 2012 6:19 PM EST up reply actions
Good choice
Shuler was projected to be a great and look at where he is
sebastian janikowski was a lock down kicker
bust potential was zero
by les boulez bomber on Jan 3, 2012 6:23 PM EST up reply actions
he won the same lou garza award that Gano won...
al davis was a man willing to take a risk…kicker in the first round! haha
what do you think it will cost to trade up?
and what would you have given up for peyton manning to nab him his rookie year knowing what you know now?
by les boulez bomber on Jan 3, 2012 6:18 PM EST up reply actions
Cleveland, will trade this years 1, 2, 4 & next years 1st.
"Excuse me while I ride my unicorn over to the gentleman’s club my wife doesn’t mind me visiting and doing coke off a hooker’s ass." - Henry Dawg , DBN - Dec 2011
or this years 1, 2, 3 & next years 2, & 4
"Excuse me while I ride my unicorn over to the gentleman’s club my wife doesn’t mind me visiting and doing coke off a hooker’s ass." - Henry Dawg , DBN - Dec 2011
For two spots?
someone is being a little greedy. Draft chart show Washingtons first and third are more than enough to go from six to four. Cleveland would have to include a 5 or so.
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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Jan 3, 2012 6:24 PM EST up reply actions
If you noticed, I gave a scenerio that didnt include next years first. The extra picks are more than generous.
"Excuse me while I ride my unicorn over to the gentleman’s club my wife doesn’t mind me visiting and doing coke off a hooker’s ass." - Henry Dawg , DBN - Dec 2011
Thats also for a higly rated QB, which your team could use right now, more so than my Browns. We dont have half the needed quality players that you already have. Too many years of front office mismanagement.
"Excuse me while I ride my unicorn over to the gentleman’s club my wife doesn’t mind me visiting and doing coke off a hooker’s ass." - Henry Dawg , DBN - Dec 2011
I bet KC, Seattle and even the puke on myself Boyz(I hope not – I really frickin hate jerry jones) would be willing to give more than a 1st & 3rd for a QB upgrade like that.
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i still think you are asking a bit much
i feel if he is around at 4…there is a good chance he drops to us naturally
and if not, i would grab either a pro bowl prospect or trade back ourselves
by les boulez bomber on Jan 3, 2012 6:32 PM EST up reply actions
Either one is an upgrade for all the teams I just mentioned. Personally, I’d like to trade with Seattle for either player. Cleveland would get so much more for that spot and we need all the help we can get, The AFCN has 3, yep – 3 playoff teams.
"Excuse me while I ride my unicorn over to the gentleman’s club my wife doesn’t mind me visiting and doing coke off a hooker’s ass." - Henry Dawg , DBN - Dec 2011
Then again, I would love to see you guys take it to jerry’s house and punk his ugly face…
"Excuse me while I ride my unicorn over to the gentleman’s club my wife doesn’t mind me visiting and doing coke off a hooker’s ass." - Henry Dawg , DBN - Dec 2011
I think if Cleveland could manage to get...
Richardson with the first pick…Floyd with the second and Dwayne Allen in the second round, they would have one of the most high powered offenses in the league with McCoy at the helm
No RB is worth a 1st round pick anymore. Especially not in a WCO scheme.
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I’m wanting Holmgren to spend like Dan the Man this FA season. A WR, CB, (from philly) & OG (from baltimore) and a LB (Houston – even with him being hurt)
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i think we have an OG from balt laying around here…want him?
by les boulez bomber on Jan 3, 2012 6:47 PM EST up reply actions
sold on 1, 2, 3, 2, 4 on Luck
the way i look at it…we already know we would give up a 2 and 4 for nothing (mcnabb) so i am getting andrew luck for 1, 2, and 3 ;)
by les boulez bomber on Jan 3, 2012 6:46 PM EST up reply actions
BTW we were talking about RGIII. We already got a throw away OL from you, dont want anymore…
"Excuse me while I ride my unicorn over to the gentleman’s club my wife doesn’t mind me visiting and doing coke off a hooker’s ass." - Henry Dawg , DBN - Dec 2011
too much for rg3 but i like him
we have a tradition of excellece. you must have had one that slid through the cracks. surely it cant happen twice. this guy is from balt!
by les boulez bomber on Jan 3, 2012 7:02 PM EST up reply actions
and holmgren is not passing up luck if he falls to five
by les boulez bomber on Jan 3, 2012 6:49 PM EST up reply actions
it will easily cost more than that for the Skins
the value chart is nice, but it is rarely followed to the letter. Esp. with 1st round trades
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Cleveland also has 2 1st rd picks to bargain with....
This trade would leave Indy with the 4th pick; could be that the ’skins miss out on both Luck & RGIII (going to Indy at 4) if this were to happen…
Anything is possible, but Indy is taking steps to nab Luck #1, not trade back for RG3 at #4.
by les boulez bomber on Jan 4, 2012 1:04 PM EST up reply actions
I would love for this to happen.
but I think the Browns take Trent and Blackmon goes to the Vikes or Bucs.
On a side note, who wants to kick Skip Bayless in the nuts?
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I would but I don't have time to wait in a line that long
who wants to kick Skip Bayless in the nuts
didnt know
landry jones went to A&M….pretty amazing they have two high caliber passers in one season…
by 21_DarnarienMccants_21 on Jan 3, 2012 1:15 PM EST reply actions
I fixed it, thanks. I had a brain fart and was thinking of putting Tannehill there but will wait until Jones going back is official
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Do you think Denver will go QB in the first?
I know Brady Quinn is a free agent this year, but it still seems unlikely they pick one that high.
that would still leave them with only one 'high caliber passer'
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What?
No TE with the 6th pick???
"If a man speaks and there is no woman around to hear him, is he still wrong???"
I will hurt someone if we go TE in the second
The Blue Royster Cult needs more cow bell.
by 64ShagginWagon on Jan 3, 2012 2:12 PM EST up reply actions
What if Sleepy goes elsewhere?
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Still think we can wait till later to get one of the freak of nature types
Cooley was a third rounder. Use one of the fourths, Cooley, and Paulsen and we’ll be okay next year.
The Blue Royster Cult needs more cow bell.
by 64ShagginWagon on Jan 3, 2012 3:36 PM EST up reply actions
Cooley may physically fall apart next year. I agree on waiting a little later though.
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As long as he makes it 8 games we'll be fine
The Blue Royster Cult needs more cow bell.
by 64ShagginWagon on Jan 3, 2012 3:54 PM EST up reply actions
If he has the surgery
He won’t play at all. They should know before the draft if he’ll even be available.
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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Jan 3, 2012 4:33 PM EST up reply actions
TEs are a dime a dozen
that kid on the Huskies is going to be a bigger, faster Gronk and Gronk wont even be in his prime yet. Waves of these 6’6" 270 pound TEs on the way
Maybe not a dime a dozen, Ozzie Newsome doesn't seem to think good ones are that hard to find.
Yet the Skins have picked up 3 or 4 that have rotated on and off their practice squad in the 2011 season. They did the same thing with RBs in 2010.
by Jefferson1935 on Jan 3, 2012 4:23 PM EST up reply actions
he is only a freshmen
i was drooling over being able to draft him as well. if he keeps up the good work plus the fact of gronk doing well getting these types of Te in later rounds might be a thing of the past by the time he enters the draft
not going to happen
Too many other needs to fill before TE
I'd love that but no chance imho the Browns stick with Colt, he's pretty bad
and they cant assume that next year they’ll have their pick of qb’s
colt is not their future
but they could go either rg3 or richardson/blackmon and nab a qb in the 2nd or with their late first rounder
it all depends on how these qbs compare to them. plus flynn is out there like he is for us. and they have a pretty good guy running their show these days
by les boulez bomber on Jan 3, 2012 2:45 PM EST up reply actions
It's funny to see people bashing McCoy but praising Flynn.
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flynn threw for 500 yards and 6 tds. that is impressive even if it is with green bay on the last week of the season
by les boulez bomber on Jan 3, 2012 3:06 PM EST up reply actions
colt is not their future because:
in two seasons, he has not won one division game
he has noticeably struggled
and MOST importantly, the NFL has two class action lawsuits regarding concussions and both colt mccoy and his father kicked the hornets nest by claiming they reinserted him in a game when he had concussion like symptoms. he has not even seen the practice field since
and CLE is getting another QB prospect somehow this offseason…bet on that
by les boulez bomber on Jan 3, 2012 3:02 PM EST up reply actions
it may or may not be RG3
it all depends on the perceived difference between RG3 and the next tier QBs like Weeden, Tannenhill, et al. And to a lesser extent, evaluations on Matt Flynn and Matt Moore if he becomes available
And we wont have those answers until draft day, except for maybe flynn
by les boulez bomber on Jan 3, 2012 3:05 PM EST up reply actions
Stanford didn't seem to want to engage in a shoot out between Luck and their receivers versus
Weeden plus Blackmon. Stanford did not have a defender that could cover Blackmon and Oklahoma State was able to give Weeden enough pass protection.
by Jefferson1935 on Jan 3, 2012 4:30 PM EST up reply actions
yeah i watched the game.
but weeden is 28 and there is some discount he gets for that. so i dont know how that affects his grade with us or other teams
by les boulez bomber on Jan 3, 2012 4:37 PM EST up reply actions
different situation though
Colt has struggled quite a bit, while in the limited sample Flynn has succeeded. The Browns have the extra picks, so they can grab Griffin since his upside is higher than McCoy’s and still have a full draft complement (plus an extra 4th).
Flynn could make sense for the Browns as well, but I think Cleveland has to upgrade their QB position.
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Browns may end up
being the team we end up trading down with they end up really wanting Richardson and Griffin.
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richardson the running back? i dont see us trading down for him but anything is possible
by les boulez bomber on Jan 3, 2012 8:42 PM EST up reply actions
No
We trade the 6th pick to the Browns so they get Richardson . In return, we get the first rd pick Cleveland got from Atanta, plus Cleveland’s 2nd and 4th pick. In addition maybe we can wrangle a pick or two from them in 2013.
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its possible
there are a number of teams that could target Blackmon, Richardson, Claiborne, Kirkpatrick and possibly Martin or Reiff. It will all depend on which player is still on the board. I could also see Denver being in on Richardson as Moreno has been a bust and they run the ball 70% of the time now.
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That sounds much better. If RG3 is not there at 6, I trade back.
by les boulez bomber on Jan 3, 2012 9:57 PM EST up reply actions
i wouldnt do that.
it would have to be browns 1st and a 3rd to move from 6th all the way down to flacons pick.
You would not do it from the skins
Perspective? Or the browns would not do it. From the skins perspective, getting a 1,2, and 4 is better than a 1 and a 3
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i'm not saying anything about Flynn other than he shouldnt be overpaid for 1 game but will be.
but Mccoy is arguably the most physically insufficient starter in the league at the moment, there’s just no way he’s the answer
off subject silver lining
i think we are really building some solid depth. i think its safe to say polian and angelo got fired for their lack of ability to field a team when their starter(s) went down. now i know we didn’t have the win total but our backups (mostly rookies) went out there and competed. when they’re (hopefully) back to being back ups next year, we’re gonna have solid depth to build on.
dream scenario
it would be nice for griffin to fall to us however i think thats unlikely…but i wouldnt mind trading back into the teens and picking up a guy like A. jeffrey and getting additional picks to address qb and o lineman in the second to third rounds..
I think this is very realistic
but like some others I think RGIII might go to the Browns. McCoy is clearly not getting it done.
Cleveland could also choose to address QB in free agency
Allowing them to load up at the skill positions with Richardson and Floyd/Jeffery with their two first rounders. Their run D is legit, and they could address secondary in the later rounds.
"Their run D is legit"???
I hope you aren’t talking about the Browns… They are by far a better pass D than they are in Run D.
Got that totally backwards, apologies.
But the point stands, I generally feel that it’s in their best interest to make moves on the offensive side of the ball (via the first round and free agency). Creating a scenario in which RGIII falls to us.
Miami is the wild card.
there's not much in the way of QBs in FA
Flynn who is a big unknown, Orton, Grossman, and Campbell are the few worth considering as a starter.
Couldn't Flynn be a real possibility to Cleveland because of the Holmgren-McCarthy connection?
McCarthy is a Holmgren disciple and if Cleveland is running a variation of the Green Bay scheme (not sure if they are or not) then I imaging Flynn would be VERY attractive to them.
That would allow Cleveland to draft Richardson or trade down and pick up more parts surround Flynn with.
I'm not familiar with their system
or a Holmgren-McCarthy connection, but the fact that FA happens before the draft this year, unlike last year, will help clear some of this up between now and then.
If Griffin doesn’t fall to them/they aren’t able to move up, they need to take a long hard look at Riley Reiff, a projected top 10 guy, but an athletic tackle, the kind that Shanny endorses.
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Any thoughts on this route...
If Browns go with RG3….
Skins pick up Justin Blackmon or any OT lineman prospect while picking up Matt Flynn in FA?
Thoughts?
it's possible but I suspect the asking price will be too high
Flynn is at a great organization and surrounded by talent (on the offense – I’m not talking about the defense) so it’s hard to say how good he really is (for me anyway as I’m not a professional scout nor have I ever played QB).
To me his asking price has to be less than trading up to draft Luck or RGIII.
It will really bowl down to what Shanahan looks for in a QB.
Yeah...
He had a great game this week to finish out their season, but you have to wonder what he can do with Moss and Gaffney over the Packer’s receiving core. Our O-line struggles don’t help him succeed either. Its tough when a guy has only had what 2 starts, but then 480 yrds for 6 TDs is pretty ridiculous.
Detroits pass defense ranked 22nd and their run defense 23rd. Bottom 3rd.
by Jefferson1935 on Jan 3, 2012 4:46 PM EST up reply actions
before sunday's game though they ranked in the teens in both yards and TD's
they still rank top 10 in INT’s and net yards per attempt.
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They have a good defense when Suh is playing. They can afford to play a little more loose with that offense. Both GB and NO have better defenses than they rank when everyone is healthy.
by les boulez bomber on Jan 3, 2012 10:00 PM EST up reply actions
lets not forget that the lions were playing to keep the 5th seed
they knew the falcons had won or was winning big time. and they knew the 6th seed had a date with the saints at home….. ouch
Fynn was missing GB’s best receiver as well as the rookie stud Cobb.
But it’s true we have a great group even without them. Jordy elevated himself to a different level this year.
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The thing is it's not if the Browns go with RG3
FA is before the draft, so you’ll have to make the decision on Flynn without the benefit of draft hindsight
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In that case... haha.
I imagine the Skins will be watching the other teams this off-season extremely closely. If Flynn did in fact catch their attention.
Chris Russell said Flynn caught their attention.
But that could be a (gasp) smokescreen, to make other teams think we want him.
The it’s a bait and switch.
Mwahahahahahahaha
I see it as more cushion for the pushin'
and green bay could franchise him and trade him
by les boulez bomber on Jan 3, 2012 2:47 PM EST up reply actions
definitely risky on a whim…not on a backroom gentlemens handshake with someone he trusts
i agree it is the least likely option but it is possible
by les boulez bomber on Jan 3, 2012 3:07 PM EST up reply actions
We also might have to use the tag on JerMichael Finley.
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hmmm would you?
how would you feel about that?
by les boulez bomber on Jan 3, 2012 6:27 PM EST up reply actions
yeah that is my guess
I can’t see how the pack can afford the tag and risk losing Finley, Wells and othere players (even if they don’t tag them, the Pack can’t touch that $15 million until they trade Flynn, so Finley could get a better offer, as could anyone else.
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i think griffin following to us at sixth is completly plausible
i see the following teams as those who may be in the market for a QB: seattle, miami, washington, cleveland, denver, colts (maybe jacksonville, but since the GM is still there i think they go with gabbert for at least another year)
these teams may sit pat with their QBs, draft a QB, or sign a free agent QB
i think luck is going to colts
free agent QBs include orton, campbell, and flynn, amongst others…and depending on which teams sign them, we may not see any trades up
furthermore, the teams picking ahead of us all need help at multiple positions, and there seems to be some good talent at the top of this draft, which means they may target other positions than QB
i think there may be a run on QBs in the second round though
As for me, all I know is that I know nothing.
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haha i know right
the plot will thicken, so to speak, as the offseason progresses
As for me, all I know is that I know nothing.
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only problem is...
rg3 looks to be a great qb.. any team that is even thinking qb will take him. some might even trade up for him. i mean who wouldnt want a better passing qb verision of micheal vick?
All of the QB questions hinge on Matt Flynn.
If Cleveland signs him, we get RG3.
I wonder if the Holmgren/ GB connection will play a part?
I see it as more cushion for the pushin'
i was wondering that earlier as well
sorta like hassellbeck going to the seahawks, although holgrem is more removed from his days with the packers than he was back then
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i don't really see it
no one on the Packers staff has any real connection to Flynn and McCarthy and Holmgren are different coaching trees.
Now they could still go after Flynn, but I don’t see the GB factor playing a role.
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by Steve Shoup on Jan 3, 2012 3:29 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
But there is a street in Cleveland named Flynn Alley!
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I read that Washington and Seattle
are two of the most likely to get Flynn.
Formerly KS and CS
by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Jan 3, 2012 4:36 PM EST up reply actions
you will hear washington named for just about every qb option out there
by les boulez bomber on Jan 3, 2012 4:38 PM EST up reply actions
Yes, though you’ll come back to Holmgren and make that trade for RGIII. You know you want him, and we actually aren’t going after a QB this year. Next year, well thats a different story. So, if you want your QB now, then make the trade with Cleveland.
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I was considering if VJax leave then Floyd could be a nice fit.
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yes…they are loaded at WR
and they got a good one last year in case VJ leaves …his name is jackson too!
by les boulez bomber on Jan 3, 2012 3:08 PM EST up reply actions
His name is Vincent Brown, his name is not also Jackson
And how are they loaded? If VJax leaves then they have: Vincent Brown, Malcolm Floyd (31), Crayton (32), Richard Goodman, and Bryan Walters. That could be the worst receiving corps in the league.
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why do you feel they are the worse receiving corp in the league because the have the #6 passing attack in the league by yards and #6 by passing tds.
why do you feel if they lose VJ they will drop from #6 to #32? I dont see that happening and still feel they are weaker at linebacker than WR- with or without VJ.
by les boulez bomber on Jan 3, 2012 3:51 PM EST up reply actions
B/c you're including the RBs, and Antonio Gates
If you take that away then their receiving corps w/o VJax is incredibly pedestrian, especially with Floyd on the wrong side of 30. VJax accounts for over 1,100 yards and 9 TDs, they can address LB in the second round and beyond for sure.
If you’re game planning against the Chargers what scares you about Floyd, Brown, Crayton, Goodman, Walters? I’d put 9 guys in the box and keep an eye on Gates.
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if you do this and omit that etc. the premise of your argument is that you feel VJ is leaving SD because with him, they are legitimately solid ranked at #6
Have you heard or read anything that leads you to believe he will not resign? Because I have not heard a bit of controversy out of SD that the problems a year ago continue to be active.
by les boulez bomber on Jan 3, 2012 4:13 PM EST up reply actions
Are you serious, he's been trying to get out of San Diego for 3 years now!
Because I have not heard a bit of controversy out of SD that the problems a year ago continue to be active.
Do you not remember when he nearly sat out the whole season a couple of years ago?
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yes i am serious and i am talking about this season. i know what happened in the past.
i still dont think it is their biggest need. they are keeping smith and norv so the push continues. and i think they need to fill other positions more—-like find a replacement for gates. they have good young rbs and the shift may change, i still dont see them with the worse passing attack next year…not with rivers
by les boulez bomber on Jan 3, 2012 4:28 PM EST up reply actions
if rg3
doesnt fall to us and blackmon off the board as well i think we should trade back; stockpile additoinal picks like last year and hope to land a dalton type qb in the second or third round
It is too early to mock trades.
This is the most sensible way to mock the top 6, but it is too far away to hear any trade rumors. I would switch the Browns and Bucs pick, even though I believe that Blackmon is going to be a phenomenal player. He is the reason OK State won last night and really the reason why they are the #3 team in the country.
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Browns have the ability to take a RB like Miller, Polk, Wilson, or Pierce with their other first or early in the 2nd.
That was my line of thinking.
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Browns fans will be happy after draft day.
They can either get Blackmon and one of the backs you mentioned, or Richardson and Jeffery/Floyd.
Of course, if I were them I would take RGIII, but I’m not and I’m hoping they choose to take anyone else.
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Also, if Denver replaces Tebow with Jones, their fans are going to starting thinking Elway might be a Jordan in the FO.
1-2 years down the road they would realize they given up a QB who can’t throw but wins games for a QB that can’t throw and can’t win games.
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My rationale is that Elway can continue to develop Jones/Tannehill while appeasing the fans in Denver w/ Tebow starting
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It's completely possible.
From the way Elway has spoken this year about Tebow, I would be surprided if he didn’t come away this year with a QB.
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Tebow just isn't an NFL QB as he can't find open receivers
there were a lot of plays yesterday where the receiver was wide open but Tebow couldn’t figure it out. I just don’t see him starting for anyone in the long term unless he learns to work through the passing progressions to find the open receiver.
There is no way a player like him does not get another chance somewhere else.
I won’t judge him until after he plays with his new team, when he has a better team and support. I won’t bet against for or against him since there are just so many reasons why he can and can’t succeed, but I’ll reserve my opinion.
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off subject but if blackmon is available along with rg3 who do u take
i would lean towards blackmon and get a qb at the top of the 2nd like cicny did
I don't know, I'd be more inclined to have Blackmon/Tannehill than RG3/Wright
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How about Blackmon/OL/Weeden
People are starting to come around to my Weeden idea
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by 64ShagginWagon on Jan 3, 2012 2:15 PM EST up reply actions
Fine by me
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If RG3 is there you hand in the card in about 1.2 seconds with his name on it.
I see it as more cushion for the pushin'
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She's lying to you
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by 64ShagginWagon on Jan 3, 2012 3:39 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Blackmon will create a mismatches with nearly all NFL pass defenders. Floyd and Jeffrey are also elite picks.
Any of these three WRs joined with first tier QBs will be tough and can elevate teams offenses. How much OL help do the Skins need to take advantage of these kind of players?
by Jefferson1935 on Jan 3, 2012 5:09 PM EST up reply actions
Gano is definitely the problem with the field goal blocking unit
Yep, all his fault that the front line gets raped
we are not like these playoff teams that can afford to trade back
we need playmakers now the browns have been trading back for years and they still suck they passed on orakpo(thank) and julio jone to move back and for what
I really think Holmgren goes for Flynn, leaving us in the drivers seat for RG3.
I see it as more cushion for the pushin'
Why?
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Because I shook my Magic 8-Ball, asked if Holgren would do it, and it said yes.
What else do you want?
I see it as more cushion for the pushin'
by iH8dallas on Jan 3, 2012 2:22 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I was just asking why, man. It's a discussion board, many people here are here to hold a conversation...
and discuss why they think something, rather than blanket statements.
I was just curious why you have any inclination to “really think” that Holmgren signs Flynn. It was just an honest question.
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Oh. I think he still probably has connections in Green Bay. I think he has a street named after him.
My thinking is he will remind him of Hasselbeck and he’ll take him, then try to get some serious receivers around him.
I see it as more cushion for the pushin'
So because he has a street named after him in GB, he'll sign a FA QB from the Packers who reminds him of the guy he coached in Seattle?
by StephanHart on Jan 3, 2012 2:47 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
If only Shanny had a street named after him in Indianapolis, we'd get Luck no problem
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there is a shanahan and shanahan in indianapolis
there is also a shanahan mart which is probably where you go to get the deal
better than a street
feeling lucky!!!
by les boulez bomber on Jan 3, 2012 2:54 PM EST up reply actions
that line of thinking didn't lead the Redskins to sign Cutler after he was cut by Shanny's former team
Holmgren doesn’t really have any GB connection anymore
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by Steve Shoup on Jan 3, 2012 3:34 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
But Steve, there is a porta-potty named after him in GB
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Because Zorn was still here. Shanny wasn't hired at that point.
I see it as more cushion for the pushin'
Cutler was cut a month and a half ago and the Skins could have claimed him
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You mean Orton?
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haha yeah my bad
Orton, he was on Shanny’s former team, but has zero actual ties to Shanny (i.e. Flynn and Holmgren comparison)
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And then we're not in the drivers seat, the Browns would be even more likely to trade back unless Blackmon is there or they're sold on TRich
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Yeah but CLE could trade back with us and still possibly get Blackmon or Richardson
I’m against trading too far up as the cost is too high but if we traded up to CLE’s spot then thats not that bad. However, I wouldn’t do it until they are on the board so that MIA or someone doesn’t try to swoop in and trade to #3 or #4
Hold on a second, why would we strike a deal with the team directly in front of us, when they are supposed to be the most worrisome suitor?
If they call us then that means they aren’t interested in RG3, I’d call their bluff, give them the finger, and gamble that they don’t make a deal elsewhere (b/c someone probably would’ve done it with the first 4 picks)
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they did?
Alex Mack was whom the Browns drafted after they traded back and he’s a Pro Bowl center. Then they got Phil Taylor, Greg Little and Owen Mariecic plus a 1st and 4th this year for not taking Julio Jones (and gave up their 3rd to to get Taylor, but they could b/c they had the extra picks).
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by Steve Shoup on Jan 3, 2012 3:38 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
esp since most people thought the Browns would have taken Mark Sanchez with that pick...now that would have been ugly
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his point was the Browns traded back twice
in 2009 and last year. In 2009 they had the 5th pick and traded it to the Jets. They eventually drafted Alex Mack after trading back again. Now the Browns took less than they should of in the deal (b/c they didn’t want to pay top 5 money), and screwed the rest of the compensation up. But they did land Mack, when they ‘passed on Sanchez’.
Last year was of course the Julio Jones deal. Which Greg Little put up pretty good numbers despite not having near the offensive talent around him that Jones does.
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by Steve Shoup on Jan 3, 2012 3:48 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
im not saying they dont have good players
my point was 1 great player is better than 2 good players i would rather go after the best tallent available then trade back and get the 2nd and 3d best available i will take julio over greg little anyday
But for what they paid for Julio he didn't help them that much
Trust me Matt Ryan was my starting QB on one of my fantasy teams
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by 64ShagginWagon on Jan 3, 2012 4:27 PM EST up reply actions
but it isn't two good players, it is potentially 5
and while Jones numbers are better than Little’s, he had Matt Ryan throwing to him, in one of the best offenses in the league (White and Gonzalez drawing coverage, Turner moving the chains). Compare that to Little. What would have happened if Little was on the Falcons and Jones on the Browns?
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julio jones is a better wr prospect than any wide receiver in this draft.
and second only to AJ Green last year.
by les boulez bomber on Jan 3, 2012 10:44 PM EST up reply actions
false
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Justin Blackmon called
He is way better then Jones. Blackmon would have been a top 5 to 10 pick last year. Dude is an absolute fucking beast.
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by 64ShagginWagon on Jan 4, 2012 10:25 AM EST up reply actions
Yes he is. He is not as explosive as Julio- who is a beast in the NFL.
I love Blackmon. But he is ranked just under JJ as a prospect. I would love either for us.
by les boulez bomber on Jan 4, 2012 10:42 AM EST up reply actions
JJ is 6’3 with a 38" vertical and runs sub 4.4
Blackmon is closer to AJ Green…a little slower without that extra gear and a little lower vertical
All three are big, strong, excellent WR prospects
by les boulez bomber on Jan 4, 2012 10:48 AM EST up reply actions
I'd like to go on record to say that Flynn is Fitzpatrick 2.0.
They even look the same.
Continue your business as usual…
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You may be right.
I personally think he’s a bit better. Fitzpatrick is an average QB, Flynn is an above average one.
I still support the idea of considering Flynn in FA, Tannehill in late 1st (trade back) or 2nd and keeping the picks to retool.
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by Stephen Beagrie on Jan 4, 2012 6:50 AM EST up reply actions
norv turner survives
maybe the washington organiztion was wrong about him and he is an excellant head coach
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i assume there is no need for that?
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Turner was supposed to get the Chargers to the SB because Marty Schottenheimer couldn’t win in the playoffs. So Marty builds an awesome team and takes them to 14-2 which is where Norv takes over and steadily lowers their wins every season except for 1 fluke season.
Turner is the most over rated HC prospect in the NFL.
this is best case scenario...
and if it happens, AWESOME!!!! Getting one of the two guys without giving up anything and not having to settle for the lower guys, its all good…
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Would be happy just if he does good at the combine. Someone would move up to get him.
by trueredskinm on Jan 3, 2012 3:00 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
nice job parks
my real question is richardson a top 5 pick in this draft. the bucs have a LOT of needs…and a great talent eye GM. i feel there is a good chance he will find someone he likes at RB that is not the #5 pick.
I feel pretty strongly luck, rg3, kalil and blackmon will go top 5…but if anyone of them drop it is a no brainer for us
question parks…what do you advocate if those four are off the board at #6 for us
by les boulez bomber on Jan 3, 2012 2:58 PM EST reply actions
Trade back or get Reiff or Martin
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thanks
will reiff or martin still have a game left? i dont know who they are
by les boulez bomber on Jan 3, 2012 3:53 PM EST up reply actions
Martin played for Stanford last night and Reiff already played for Iowa in the Insight Bowl
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ok thanks! from the little i saw, at least i feel confident weeden is solid and should be there with our #6 pick in the 2nd round. so i dont feel that we HAVE to trade up for RG3. and if my top 4 is not there, i am happy to grab an all pro prospect at his position so long as it is not OLB. but i have not identified who that could be so i would prob trade back …all subject to change
by les boulez bomber on Jan 3, 2012 4:16 PM EST up reply actions
If the Skins can get a taker for rd1 pick #6 and also get a later rd1 pick and another rd 2, then they can
get an OT for the rd 1 pick (or a QB like Tannehill) as well as a C/G for the additional rd 2 pick (or a QB). There is flexibility in the sequence of the picks. A WR could also be used for a 2nd rd pick.
by Jefferson1935 on Jan 3, 2012 8:35 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
YES and that is option 2 for me if luck or rg3 is not available.
i think tannehill might fit nice. a ton of upside and they can develop him for our system from day 1. we can drop back 5-15 draft spots and still get him comfortably
i would go C/G over WR. the three top passing teams- NO, NE, and GB- dont have a single first round receiver in the mix. and jennings went #52. i think shanahan can do something similar. its just that it is so damn hard to get a good lineman if you dont draft him.
by les boulez bomber on Jan 3, 2012 8:52 PM EST up reply actions
Hope richardson has the BEST combine ever for a RB.
If the Browns are to… to take him, pretty sure the Bengals would move up to get him. Unless, they want to pay more money on Benson & P.H.
I think
that Matt Flynn is a more talented Kevin Kolb. A couple games, good performances on teams loaded with offensive talent. Then they hit the market, and get 65 million dollars. While Flynn will be more likely to succeed without weapons (Green Bay sat 4 offensive statrters outside of Rodgers). If we signed him, we’d have to go Blackmon/OL, and with the picks the Browns have, they are probably best-suited to sign him. Don’t count on the Jets or Seahawks though.
I changed my last name to Shanahan, and now I'm the new OL Coach.
what does that mean? kolb is the second best qb on his team…and that team is arizona!
joking…you are right…there is a big risk with flynn. i think he played some in 2009-2010 plus the preseason so there is some footage. but the offensive is explosive
by les boulez bomber on Jan 3, 2012 3:10 PM EST up reply actions
I am looking for the Redskins to market the 6th spot as the best place to get either RG3, Trent, or Blackmon
With the haul of picks we would get, we could still get a decent signal caller in the second and then bring in blue-chippers with the rest of the picks this year and next.
by Ken Meringolo on Jan 3, 2012 3:20 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
But what will the fans think? I for one would hate to grab a second round QB.
That to me is the Redskins saying, “Hey guys, have a little more Rex Grossman, just until we’re eliminated from the playoff race, then we’ll see this other kid.”
Just grab a good QB early and get it over with.
I see it as more cushion for the pushin'
by iH8dallas on Jan 3, 2012 3:24 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Yea! Like the Bengals!
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Would Love to emulate the 1st two rounds of the Bengals 2011 draft. Blackmon/Tannehill. Make it so!
My give a damn broke.
by davesomethin on Jan 3, 2012 4:13 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
could happen but that means tannehill passes cle ind and min twice right? hmmm….?
by les boulez bomber on Jan 3, 2012 4:18 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah. Not likely to happen.
My give a damn broke.
by davesomethin on Jan 3, 2012 5:40 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
With Shanahan, I don't think that will happen.
He’ll freaking sit him until it’s too late in the season.
I see it as more cushion for the pushin'
So what is the evidence that he wouldn't do that with a 1st rounder?
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The fact that both of his first rounders here were day one starters.
I see it as more cushion for the pushin'
But none of his QBs have been. LT and OLB doesn't exactly translate to a leadership position like QB
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That to me is the Redskins saying, "Hey guys, have a little more Rex Grossman, just until we’re eliminated from the playoff race, then we’ll see this other kid."
Just grab a good QB early and get it over with.
by StephanHart on Jan 3, 2012 3:34 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
So, where in my quote does it say "Luck or no one?"
I’m still looking for it.
I see it as more cushion for the pushin'
by iH8dallas on Jan 3, 2012 3:36 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I think he is saying that he thinks Luck is the only day 1 starter.
Meaning RGIII isn’t a day one starter and shouldn’t be our pick according to your opinion. The thing is, Griffin is a day one starter, so according to (I think)your opinion(and mine), we should take him.
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there's no way Shanny passes on RG3
but there’s also no way he’s available 6th imo
by DCrez on Jan 3, 2012 3:44 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Yes, exactly.
And somehow you didn’t twist my words around and say that I wanted us to sign Brett Favre.
I see it as more cushion for the pushin'
Maybe you should have just said what you meant?
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I thought by the context clues it was pretty obvious.
All of you are educated, I expected you to get it.
I see it as more cushion for the pushin'
Day 1 starter at what position?
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Parks, when he is starting for us week 1 and is kicking butt, I will be here to say "I told you so."
For he will be a great QB, and you will be repaid for your negativity.
Skins rule
by Horcasitas4 on Jan 3, 2012 3:51 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
It's not as if we're hoping that the Redskins don't get a sick QB.
We’re trying to convey the perspective that most QBs drafted don’t work out, they don’t end up being good.
So assuming that RGIII or Luck are elite QBs and trading up for them as such is dangerous
So you're scared of a bust?
You think it would be safer to take a tackle or something, or trade back and pay lesser money for lesser talent hoping it works out?
I see it as more cushion for the pushin'
what's the worst that could happen
we dont get to use some later round picks on guys who may or may not pan out?
but there's just as much chance that other 1st rounder is a bust
see: Landry, Laron
What did we give up to get LaRon? Nothing
If RGIII or Luck falls to us, I’m all for taking him.
But overspending for these players is not a smart decision
by StephanHart on Jan 3, 2012 4:02 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
yeah but having traded away the pick that was used on Laron
wouldnt have hurt the organization in the least.
at any rate, i guess it’s the exact cost to move up that’s the real debate
Correct.
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by Stephen Beagrie on Jan 4, 2012 7:13 AM EST up reply actions
I hope you are. What if he starts for us in Week 1 and goes 17 for 36, 143 yards, 1 TD, 1 INT?
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Still better then Rex
Only one INT. I’ll take it
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by 64ShagginWagon on Jan 3, 2012 3:58 PM EST up reply actions
haha
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Plus, according to other people, Weeden would be ready to start.
I see it as more cushion for the pushin'
So you want to reach two rounds to make Weeden a Top 6 pick?
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That was in response to Stephan's statement about Luck being the only ready to go QB.
I see it as more cushion for the pushin'
My comment was in response to you comment about Weeden, I'm expecting a response after this
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You guys are like a mini Steveo and Tiller
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by 64ShagginWagon on Jan 3, 2012 3:44 PM EST up reply actions
Steve is just my replacement in the Tiller rivalry.
Before Steve there was monumental Parks v. Tiller showdowns. I’ve since retired after demolishing Tiller in all things 2011 NFL Draft and use iH8 as a low level sparring partner
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You mean trolling my comments and trying to get me to take the bait?
I see it as more cushion for the pushin'
Yea I'm definitely a troll. You're obviously a very active poster, but you never back up your points.
All I do is ask questions to why you think a particular thing, but you decide to cry instead of backing up you point
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Really?
You definitely have singled me out for some reason.
And it borderlines trolling.
I see it as more cushion for the pushin'
You're right man I eat, sleep, and drink iH8
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You're obviously active, as well as myself. So it's strange to you when I ask questions?
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From the bottom of my heart, I'm sorry for trolling you.
You used to be fun, someone you could poke at like a lot of others around here. Call me when your monistat shipment comes in, I’d love to be friends again
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I use pads
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What's the difference between a lady d*ll*s fan and a hockey player?
The hockey player will change his pads after three periods.
Old joke.
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by Stephen Beagrie on Jan 4, 2012 7:16 AM EST up reply actions
What is this ‘troll’ you speak of? You guys speak in riddles!
My give a damn broke.
by davesomethin on Jan 3, 2012 4:17 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
How does me saying people said Weeden is ready to start translate into me wanting to take him at 6?
I see it as more cushion for the pushin'
I was assuming based on Stephan's presumed correct assumption above
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Because you said "grab a good QB early" and start him so we dont have to start Rex
My point was that Adnrew Luck is really the only guy ready to stop in and start. So if you want a QB who’s gonna immediately start over Rex, its Luck or no one
by StephanHart on Jan 3, 2012 3:42 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
That's your opinion.
I think Griffin would step in and be just fine.
I see it as more cushion for the pushin'
So what if they are both off the board at #6? Start John Beck?
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There it is, thats what i wanted to see: That closed-minded QB mentality
Imagine if our FO goes in with that mentality
Then we'll snatch Luck or RG3.
The Redskins are saved and everyone lives happily ever after.
I see it as more cushion for the pushin'
except we have huge holes everywhere else
Because we had to trade up.
The Blue Royster Cult needs more cow bell.
by 64ShagginWagon on Jan 3, 2012 3:49 PM EST up reply actions
Oh No!!!!
What would we do then?
How would we plug those huge holes?
I see it as more cushion for the pushin'
Let me guess what your idea is
Sign a bunch of FA to huge contracts that are heading on the downside of their career. It’s worked so well for us in the past.
So trade picks and fill all of the holes in FA. What a novel idea.
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by 64ShagginWagon on Jan 3, 2012 4:00 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
because, we all know that all the FA are...
heading on the downside of their career
I thought last years FA proved you can find middle road guys, who perform adequately, without breaking the bank.
We filled a couple of spots with up and coming players while AQUIRING more draft picks to develop our own talent and depth
Not trading most of our picks and filling ALL of our needs in FA
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by 64ShagginWagon on Jan 3, 2012 4:05 PM EST up reply actions
and because of those FA...
we will not be required to fill our entire roster with over the hill, money grabbing FA this year.
You should go read Rick Sniders article in the daily slop
It’ll give you an idea of how many holes we have.
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by 64ShagginWagon on Jan 3, 2012 4:10 PM EST up reply actions
Rick Snider???
Rich Snider does not affect my view of this team in any way. If there is one thing I have learnd from being on this blog, everyone has an opinion and everyone’s opinion is different. My post will always reflect my view of this team, not someone elses.
by jgibbsfan1 on Jan 3, 2012 4:15 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Didn't say it was gospel
just a good breakdown of how many holes we have. if someone here took the same time to write a similar story about how many holes we have I would tell you to go read that fanpost. Or wait till one of our glorious leaders decides to write the holes article.
The Blue Royster Cult needs more cow bell.
by 64ShagginWagon on Jan 3, 2012 4:20 PM EST up reply actions
Rick Snider is no different than any of us, except his opinion is seen by more people.
Now if Shanahan or Bruce Allen had a blog, that might be different.
I see it as more cushion for the pushin'
See my reply above
Point being we can’t go back to how it was done for most of the past decade +.
The Blue Royster Cult needs more cow bell.
by 64ShagginWagon on Jan 3, 2012 4:21 PM EST up reply actions
But the guys calling the shots are different and have shown a good draft record.
Bad excuse.
I see it as more cushion for the pushin'
So you don't want to trade picks?
How else are you getting Luck or RGIII? Magic beans?
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by 64ShagginWagon on Jan 3, 2012 4:25 PM EST up reply actions
Good draft record?
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All of the 2011 draft picks were on the active roster.
Can you show me a bust yet?
I see it as more cushion for the pushin'
That's a record?
That’s one year out of 21 years combined of ShanAllen.
It’s unfair to label someone as a “bust” after one year, you still have to give them time. Judging a draft as positive after 1 year doesn’t make a “good track record” either.
I can point to Shanny and Allen busts all over the place though, on players you can actually evaluate, unlike our rookies.
And FYI, all our draft picks were not on the active roster. Jenkins never was, and Robinson was inactive his one week on the 53 man.
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Trent Williams is looking like one.
- Dennis Morris
- Selvish Capers
But it’s not even fair to evaluate someone 2 years out.
Those same evaluators have had tremendous bust in free agency/trading… McNabb, LJ, etc
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Trent Williams is NOT a bust.
Capers and Moris, ok, but they were late rounders.
I see it as more cushion for the pushin'
Its not fair to say he is yet,
but he’s teetering on it.
Pac Man was still talented, but he was still a bust in Tennessee.
There are discussions of our Top 5 tackle moving to the right side b/c he can’t handle the left, and he has a drug problem to boot. Wow what a productive pick that has been!
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He handles D.Ware, no problem.
He’s our best run blocker.
The pot thing, yeah.
But as a talent, he is not a bust.
And the talk of moving sides is coming from here, not the coaches, so that is not relevant.
I see it as more cushion for the pushin'
i wouldn't call the 9 pressures in the first game 'no problem'
TW is our best blocker, but that doesn’t make him great. He’s not a top 20 LT in this league right now, and would start at RT for most teams (and on some wouldn’t even do that).
It’s too early to tell, but his flashes of brilliance need to be more consistent
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by Steve Shoup on Jan 3, 2012 10:07 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
The drug suspensions make him a RT at best. You can not hold your team hostage to the whims of your smoking habits. He failed 11 drug tests- ELEVEN…come on, man.
by les boulez bomber on Jan 3, 2012 10:46 PM EST up reply actions
We didn't have any high picks that year
1st- TW: TBD, more bust than not
then we didn’t have a pick until the 4th round
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unless he has failed 11 drug tests and is suspended for a year with a 12th failure and forever on lucky 13
by les boulez bomber on Jan 3, 2012 4:39 PM EST up reply actions
look i think this past year was pretty good
but the fact that everyone made it shows just how much talent we lacked this year. It’s not as though Thompson, White, Hurt, and Robinson did anything to warrant their spot (don’t get me wrong I like the upside of some of them) or playing time. They were default options.
That is like saying Rex Grossman ‘won the QB job’.
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i would hardly say 'no problem' given the horrible track record of starting rookie QB's
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Over the last few years Rookie QBs have performed progressively better.
I would say “no problem,” especially considering his athleticism and accuracy will be huge boosts when adjusting to a new team and system.
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pretty sure the Jets, Rams, Broncos, and Jags disagree with you
look at guys like Ponder and Locker (albeit limited work) some nice flashes but over the long haul haven’t looked great.
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by Steve Shoup on Jan 3, 2012 3:57 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
no but they need to show signs of development
and improvement. For us to start a rookie QB he should be 100% ready, not ‘oh he has upside’.
We’ve watched the Sanchize be awful on one of the best teams in the NFL for 3 years now. Bradford regressed this passed year and should be in serious question going forward. Tebow just isn’t ready to be an NFL QB.
While I think it is well too soon to say anything about Ponder or Locker, I do think they were overwhelmed and probably needed more seasoning.
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there are maybe 15 qb's that are actually 100% ready every week.
Would RG3 be a better option than Rex or Beck on Day1? Most definitely, yes. So if those are the 3 on the roster, start him. If you have somebody better, play him….but surely dont avoid drafting Griffin because you’re afraid to start him immediately
i'm not saying that at all
but my point is you shouldn’t play Griffin just b/c you drafted him high. He should def. earn that job, and it shouldn’t be due to default b/c he’s going against Rex and Beck.
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Cam didnt even call plays in college, just yelled out number seen on sideline.
if you cant get a successful college qb ready to start, that’s shows a lack of coaching acumen. Time have changed imho
and maybe he's the exception to the rule, doesn't mean every can or should be the exception
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Dalton, Ryan, Flacco, Newton and Locker(yes Locker) are too many to equal an exception.
It really depends on the prospect, and RGIII and Luck are far better prospects than Gabbart, Sanchez, Russell, Quinn, etc.
I see both of them as day 1 starters who can be effective rookie QBs.
Skins rule
WAIT WHAT??
Jake Locker who completed just 51% of his passes which is the greatest concern of him coming out. Yes his ypa and TD’s are nice, but the sample size is far too small, and his lack of any pocket presence is flat out scary.
And I didn’t realize we were including 2nd rounders b/c you could add quite a few 1st year flameouts in that group as well.
You need a talented team if you want to start a rookie (Peyton had a great offense, Big Ben as well. Look at the offensive talent surrounding Flacco and Ryan), otherwise it doesn’t seem to workout too well.
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which is exactly my point earlier
shanallen could have done ALOT better job filling this offense with support so when our young franchise qb arrives, he has a good chance to start and succeed. this is where i feel they have really dropped the ball badly. and even with mcnabb…you were only buying a couple of years best case scenario
by les boulez bomber on Jan 3, 2012 4:22 PM EST up reply actions
I'm looking at the prospect, not the draft pick.
I should have put “no problem” into a better context. I see no problem letting a prospect such as Luck or Griffin start day one, as opposed to someone like Gabbart, Ponder or Sanchez.
And when Locker came into their games, he played well and almost pulled out two come from behind wins(after going down without him in the game).
I will say that I’m a big Locker fan so I may be a little biased.
Skins rule
look take Luck out of the equation b/c no disagreement here
but Griffin is a bit of a concern. Look he’s had a fantastic year, but his previous years weren’t nearly as electric, which makes me think that he might need some developmental time (nothing wrong with that…it obviously worked for Aaron Rodgers).
Yes i know Locker had some really nice drives, but maybe they would be wins if he wasn’t taking sacks and throwing incompletes. I understand he electrified the game, but Tennessee isn’t a 9-7 team (or anything close to it) with Locker at the helm.
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b/c you said:
But what will the fans think? I for one would hate to grab a second round QB.
That to me is the Redskins saying, "Hey guys, have a little more Rex Grossman, just until we’re eliminated from the playoff race, then we’ll see this other kid."
And Stephan asked about a 2nd rounder (i.e. Weeden)
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by Steve Shoup on Jan 3, 2012 3:42 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Enough with this 2nd round QB business
Yes, there is talent at the QB posiiton outside of the 1st round but the track record of GMs and scouts being able to correctly identify it is terrible- even worse than their track record on 1st rd QBs.
Sometimes I think people just want to say pick up a 2nd round QB because they want to appear shrewd and like a deal maker.
I'm just saying that you have to be prepared for when Luck and RG3 are gone
We may get them, but we may not. You have to have other options
So hypothetically... say we draft Kellen Moore in the 1st round
Does that instantly make him better than if we would have waited until the 7th round to take him?
Yes, there is talent at the QB posiiton outside of the 1st round but the track record of GMs and scouts being able to correctly identify it is terrible- even worse than their track record on 1st rd QBs.
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Nope but I'm not sensing a strong basis for taking a 2nd rd QB other than well I dunno know
Why not the 3rd? Why not the 4th? etc…
yes 1st rounders are more likely
but if they aren’t available, then they aren’t available
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and it also means that they have a flaw that may or may not be corrected
by les boulez bomber on Jan 3, 2012 3:58 PM EST up reply actions
so you'd take a first round qb for the sake of taking a first round qb?
you pick the player…not the position!!!
If
There is a market for RG3 at the sixth selection, he would’ve been traded up for before then, and I’d rather have Blackmon than an extra selection later, and miss out on an elite talent. The Redskins always finis well enough to knock themselves out of draft contention for an elite player, and they need to take one here if they can.
I changed my last name to Shanahan, and now I'm the new OL Coach.
Not necessarily
if all of the other teams ahead of us fall in love with certain players or feel that a player fills their biggest need then they wouldn’t want to trade. Thus leaving us in a great spot for a possible trade.
The Blue Royster Cult needs more cow bell.
by 64ShagginWagon on Jan 3, 2012 3:47 PM EST up reply actions
Where Luck wants to play
A thought that just ran through my head is: I wonder where Andrew Luck wants to play.
I doubt Luck would pull an Eli Manning, but say he thinks: “There’s no way I want to go to Indianapolis, where I will be constantly and endlessly compared to Peyton Manning,” and decides to force Indy to trade the pick.
Obviously Luck has given no window into his preference for where he plays, I just thought it would be an interesting scenario.
Andrew Luck
Is from West Virginia I think, maybe his fandom declares where he wants to play. But he is too good of a kid to do that. Besides, his dad isn’t named Archie.
I changed my last name to Shanahan, and now I'm the new OL Coach.
He's from Houston, his dad is the AD at West Virginia, BUT.... he was born in Washington DC!
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I think we just got Andrew Luck, then
I changed my last name to Shanahan, and now I'm the new OL Coach.
Wondering everyones thoughts are on Russel Wilson in the later rounds if we dont take a qb early
I know he is small kinda on the drew breese side, but he has the skill set to be effective in this offense. He is mobile but not run first and he can pass out of the pocket with pretty good accuracy. He has shown he can be even more effective with a consistent ground game i.e. monty ball. That would allow us to adress O-line and WR in the early rounds if the QB we want is off the board and if landry jones,tannehill,weeden etc are not good fits.
Why would we need a 2nd baseman?
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I was impressed with him...
but realistically, he is like backup plan E, if all the other options are exhausted.
He's much better QB the he is a 2nd basemen, then if he doesnt workout the Nats could use him
I just think he is a better fit with the system than some of the other QBs being mentioned outside of RG3
He's a much better baseball prospect than football actually. Even though he had a rough year in Asheville last year
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interesting insight into the whole "system" discussion
http://espn.go.com/blog/nfceast/post/_/id/34788/shanahan-mailbag-offense-a-family-affair
kyle said it in his last interview too…they don’t look for guys that fit a system, but for guys that can win in the NFL
As for me, all I know is that I know nothing.
*Socrates*
haha
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Check out the posts about the 4th pick on Dawgs By Nature (Browns SBNATION Blog)
http://www.dawgsbynature.com/2012/1/2/2676025/what-do-we-do-with-the-fourth-overall-pick
Seems they want to fleece us more the draft RGIII for themselves.
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good post Copious, thanks buddy
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Wait just a minute
there are to be no complements on this board. Only mockery, insults, and name calling.
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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Jan 3, 2012 5:14 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
sorry doo doo head
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It's okay
you warthog faced buffoon.
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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Jan 3, 2012 5:35 PM EST up reply actions
they're just fans same as us, but no one in that thread is advocating they stick with Colt
and many of them dont believe RG3 will be available unless they trade up, viewing us as their main competition. it’s gonna be interesting…
As Steve would say, damn lies... One of the first comments I read:
We might as well as keep Colt, which I would like to do anyway.
Honor. Courage. Commitment.
by Brownsbacker488 on Jan 2, 2012 10:42 PM EST
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They had a guy that won in the NFL then claimed he didnt fit the system
Not a fan of Mcnabb’s play in d.c. but that was there exuse as to his ineffectiveness here.
they brought him in here because he won in the NFL
and got rid of him because he wouldn’t do the little things (i.e. work on his footwork or other fundamentals) and it also seemed like he didn’t put in the hours shanahan expected out of a QB (notably all similar things that were said when mcnabb got benched in minn)….but i never recall shanahan saying mcnabb didn’t fit the system, i think that was more of the media’s take…in fact shanahan’s presser after the mcnabb trade indicated that he thought mcnabb could be a good QB if he did the little things, which apparently he didn’t while he was here
As for me, all I know is that I know nothing.
*Socrates*
Please unfreeze me in
15 weeks.
You're never wrong if you argue correctly
by TheSportsManager on Jan 3, 2012 5:06 PM EST reply actions
STL is going to give RG3 are really good look
don’t be surprised if they draft him. RG3 is going to light the combine up, wait and see. If that’s the case please trade up for Matt Kalil.
St. Louis appears to be keeping McDaniels
this would indicate they want offensive continuity for Bradford. I don’t think they are in the market for a new QB.
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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Jan 3, 2012 5:24 PM EST up reply actions
I read that Shanahan really liked Bradford
It would appear possible that STL would try to trade Bradford, and take Luck or RG3 (whichever one was available) with their #2 pick. I don’t know what it would take to get Sam, but it would seem to me that the price would not be extremely high – he has played, so the bloom is off the rose some
. If Parks’ mock draft is right, that RG3 is available at 6, that would be great, but we probably would not know whether Cleveland was going to take him. I don’t know how the draft works, whether Cleveland would tell Shanahan their plans. But it might be a real gamble, and Shanahan could decide to trade up to lock up RG3.
I feel that is a stretch conclusion
I believe they are maintaining maximum flexibility to attract a GM and Coach. McDaniels is also being bandied about for a head coaching job again.
by les boulez bomber on Jan 4, 2012 12:25 AM EST up reply actions
this is what i've been saying
Bradford was absolutely horrible this year, only so much can be pinned on a bad oline….there’s no way they are assuming he just needs a better LT
C'mon
It wasn’t just the OL. He didn’t have ANY weapons.
Contrary to popular belief, I am not Jewish.
He was worse than Rex
and you can argue Steven Jackson is a better weapon than Rex had all year even if Rams coaching was ass
NO
Bradford only had 13 TO’s in 10 games. Rex would have had at least 20.
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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Jan 3, 2012 5:41 PM EST up reply actions
that's true....but his qb rating was worse at any rate
and his yards per attempt (imo very telling stat) was only better than Colt and Gabbert….that’s really really bad
His contract likely locks him in
as did the Portis contract in Washington.
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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Jan 3, 2012 5:50 PM EST up reply actions
yeah his number 1 and number 2 wrs went out by week 2 i think
and his number 1 and 2 wrs aint that good to start with lol
The NFL is a copy cat league and with the success that rookie QB's are having these days
it makes sense for the Rams to draft RG3 and dump Bradford’s huuuuuge contract.
lot of wishful thinking around these parts
They can't dump his "huuuuuge" contract
Bradfords salary for the next two years is guaranteed. $21 million total. Bradford isn’t going anywhere.
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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Jan 3, 2012 5:46 PM EST up reply actions
Who would take on that contract?
for a guy who had injury concerns coming into the league, and has had performance and injury issues. Plus, you would be dooming him to another new offensive system.
For comparison, Cam Newton got four years and $22 million.
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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Jan 3, 2012 5:58 PM EST up reply actions
Newton contract was also the first contract under the new collective bargaining agreement
so save the comparisons
The comparison is valid in that
Bradford has a very expensive contract compared to QB’s in the draft.
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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Jan 3, 2012 6:16 PM EST up reply actions
Who would take on that contract?
for a guy who had injury concerns coming into the league, and has had performance and injury issues. Plus, you would be dooming him to another new offensive system.
that didn’t take long for you to flip flop
What flip flop?
I said they can’t get out of his contract. Which they can’t. I never said he had played great.
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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Jan 3, 2012 6:15 PM EST up reply actions
Why do you feel that way?
Sam Bradford is guaranteed $50mm. Cam Newton is guaranteed $22mm. RG3 will be guaranteed a similar amount at #2 as Cam was last year. $28mm is a HUGE difference. And you get a lot of good draft picks if you trade him? If you feel RG3 are a similar prospects, it is a no brainer.
by les boulez bomber on Jan 3, 2012 11:32 PM EST up reply actions
Although in fairness to my own comment, SB has been paid for two seasons. So there probably is not a big financial difference going forward. BUT it is a lot of draft picks to give up if you believe they are similar prospects.
In essence, STL is trading up (opportunity cost) to draft SB over RG3. That is the way you have to look at it.
The Skins would prob pay a fair amount for SB…maybe not a full load though
by les boulez bomber on Jan 3, 2012 11:35 PM EST up reply actions
Anyone think that if RG3 and Blackmon are both off the board
but Trent Richardson is still there, Shanny will pull the trigger?
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You realize we have two (maybe three?) more than capable RB's on this roster?
Why would we waste a pick on yet another RB? Trade back or something if that’s the case.
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The only RB Shanny has ever taken high was Portis
and that didn’t end well. Don’t think he repeat that.
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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Jan 3, 2012 6:17 PM EST up reply actions
if he does
then shanahan better stay in the booth up stairs or else a fan might be pulling a trigger too
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Browns – DREAM ON… You really think RGIII or Luck could drop past the 4th spot? I want some of that Drank you drinking on – must be some good Sh*t. Cleveland won’t draft RGIII, you’re right on that, but we will trade that pick to any number of teams that would be suitors. Yours for one, miami, KC, and even seattle. Its nice to dream, I know all about it…
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Don’t get me wrong, I would love to trade that pick to your team for picks & players. Then I want to see the Boys, and lil giants get the crap stomped out of them (BTW – I’m a HUGE Cowboy hater, so I could get along with skins fans).
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Trade
You’ve got Luck, Kahlil, Claibourne, RGIII, Blackmon, and Richardson. That’s six top players on offense. You add Couples and you can get some one that will trade up for Couples or Richardson.
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by 64ShagginWagon on Jan 3, 2012 7:12 PM EST up reply actions
Couples would need to gain weight to be a 3-4 DE.
Even then, he wouldn’t be playing to his strengths. I think that would be a Glenn Dorsey type of pick, and Kansas City has really hurt his progression so he hasn’t given them #5 pick production.
I don’t know why he isn’t being talked about more when deciding who Cleveland should draft. They have a terrible team with very few exceptions(Hayden, Taylor, etc.), and they should look to restart building a great D in the same way Houston did when they took Williams over Bush. Unless they choose Griffin or believe Richardson is the next Peterson, then they should take Couples.
Skins rule
See I think Richardson should be their pick
They played their best last year when Hillis was running the ball. Took pressure off McCoy. After all the bullshit with Hillis this year they have a massive hole in their backfield. But who really knows what will happen.
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by 64ShagginWagon on Jan 4, 2012 10:35 AM EST up reply actions
tradeback
grab some extra picks…get tannehill and develop him …could also go G or WR in this draft and get a potential solid starter
by les boulez bomber on Jan 3, 2012 8:26 PM EST up reply actions
No Lamar Miller? I see the hate for da U remains strong.
New Era has him as the No. 9 overall prospect, but whatevs.
http://www.newerascouting.com/nfl-draft/overall-rankings/
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by David St. Martin on Jan 3, 2012 10:56 PM EST reply actions
I wish we really knew what the top 5 teams in draft was doing...
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This is GREAT insight on Shanahan’s thoughts on some things.
He believes he has two more seasons to produce. We will get a QB this offseason, and he will not be a later round developmental guy. It will be someone whom he believes will start this season.
http://espn.go.com/blog/nfceast/post/_/id/34788/shanahan-mailbag-offense-a-family-affair
by les boulez bomber on Jan 4, 2012 12:47 AM EST up reply actions
RGIII
I really believe rg3 falls to skins at six. Think the teams ahead of us cant pass on the elite talent ahead of us that fill their needs. If they trade back they cant replace what they lose. Colts- you cant pass on LUCK. Rams- Blackmon is the guy who develops Bradford. No other wr is close. Min- Kahlil is the next Munoz. Ten years of blindside protection. Cle- Richardson is the rb they need after Flynn in FA. wr later in first round. TB- Claiborne the next Ronde. If these teams trade back they cannot get this kind of talent. RGIII falls to skins
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