Matt Flynn's Value: Defined by the Dolphins
by StephanHart on Jan 26, 2012 9:39 AM EST
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The Redskins QB debate, that began when Rex Grossman threw 4 interceptions against the Eagles in week 6, will continue to rage on until moves are made in FA (March) and in the 2012 NFL Draft (April). Matt Flynn, soon to be FA back-QB from Green Bay, has been an often-referenced subject of this debate.
Some believe he would be an affordable stop-gap QB for the Redskins while the FO continues the rebuild. Others believe he would come at a price that far exceeds his worth, and prefer to see another QB take the reins in 2012. A thought crossed my head this morning: The debate will be settled by the actions take by the Miami Dolphins. The Dolphins will set the bar for Matt Flynn's value.
With the hiring of Joe Philbin, former OC for the Packers, as the new Head Coach of the Miami Dolphins, many feel as if the short-term fate of Matt Flynn is sealed: His former coach will surely scoop him up in FA to run his offense in Miami. While this may or may not be true, Philbin's hiring outside of the Packers organization gives the rest of the NFL a golden opportunity to assess the value of Matt Flynn through the actions taken by his former coach.
To present extreme examples: If the Dolphins offer big money to Flynn, it provides a glowing endorsement from Philbin that he believes Flynn is ready to start and succeed in the NFL. In contrast, if the Dolphins shy away from Flynn, it should provide a ringing alarm to the rest of the league that Flynn's former coach does not want him running his offense in Miami.
There is plenty of gray-area in between. There will be negotiations and posturing, and nothing will be so cut and dry. But in short, if the Redskins coaches are sold on Matt Flynn as a potential starting QB, they should not have to blindly gauge his market value. Flynn's value should be determined by whatever the Dolphins offer.
If Philbin drives hard to get Flynn with a big contract, the Redskins will have a tough decision to make if they wish to outbid. But if the Dolphins shy away from Flynn at all, the Redskins should be very weary of investing much of anything in a QB who would be unwanted by his former coach.
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excellent point
I was thinking about this yesterday as well. If Philbin doesn’t go after Flynn, it will be somewhat of an indictment of whether or not he is a starting caliber QB
As for me, all I know is that I know nothing.
*Socrates*
Four picks
The Redskins QB debate, that began when Rex Grossman threw 5 interceptions against the Eagles in week 6,
And I don’t think the Skins are really interested in Flynn.
I admit...
the day Miami signed Philbin, I practically guaranteed Flynn would follow. I still believe that is where Flynn will end up, after all the moving and shaking. But the day after Philbin’s hiring, I had this thought as well. Even if it were unintentional, the reactions by Miami give a glaring clue on the market value of Flynn. I don’t believe Flynn is a midnight signing (unless it is Miami), so, the week following the beginning of FA, reports will leak out of proposed numbers, and we will have a better understanding of the possibilities of signing him and what it will cost…
Nice, concise post….
Nice article Stephan
More and more I do not think Flynn will be the QB in DC next year, and I think you hit the nail on the head. If Philbin does not want him, then that raises some serious questions about him.
When I was a kid, my father told me, "Never hit anyone in anger, unless you're absolutely sure you can get away with it." -Russell Ziskey
Again....it's time to hop off of the Flynn to Redskins train.
Aaron Rodgers told Jason Wilde of ESPN Milwaukee on Wednesday that it’s a “strong possibility” the Dolphins will pursue Flynn. That’s practically evidence of tampering right there.
Redskins @RGIII - 2012
Again....if Philbin wants him, don't you think this is a good sign he is worth pursuing?
by StephanHart on Jan 26, 2012 11:02 AM EST up reply actions
If Philbin wants him, it's because he know how good he can be IN THAT SYSTEM.
It says nothing about his overall value. Donovan looked great in Philly as did Kolb, outside of that system how well have either of those guys looked?
Redskins @RGIII - 2012
Or, time to buy a new ticket?
“A source told Armando Salguero of the Miami Herald today that acquiring the longtime Colts QB is "the priority" for the Dolphins, who rumor has it have also expressed interest in Packers backup Matt Flynn.”
Philbin will be looking for a marquee signing to define the start of his coaching tenure in Miami, much as Shanahan did with McNabb. If Miami truly wants Manning, they won’t be pursuing Flynn with gusto. That’s no reason to bail on him elsewhere.
by tuckwell on Jan 26, 2012 2:12 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
You're Manning....you are a just getting healthy and maybe have 3 years left where are you going to win that next Super Bowl?
49ers
Arizona
Miami
Seattle
Redskins
In that order. His best shot is the 49ers because he won’t have to go through the Patriots, Steelers, Baltimore, or Houston. The same holds true for Arizona. Therefore Miami is still the top option for Flynn, especially with reports of Mike Sherman heading there as OC. Give it up already.
The Redskins best bet is for Arizona to get Manning and trade Kolb to Cleveland for a 1st. The price then drops considerably for RGIII.
Redskins @RGIII - 2012
Arizona is completely dysfunctional
And San Fran isn’t dumping Alex Smith this year. Flynn is very much in play for Washington.
by tuckwell on Jan 26, 2012 2:46 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Come on son....you are thinking like a fanboy not logically.
Ddid Alex Smith do anything to demonstrate that he is on equal footing with Peyton Manning? Better question…if YOU owned the 49ers, would YOU stick with Alex Smith if Peyton Manning indicated that he wanted to come to the 49ers and try to win some Championships? Realistically you would drop Alex Smith like a hot used condom.
Redskins @RGIII - 2012
im going green
i put them in the dishwasher, oh, what? right, football talk. my bad.
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Alex Smith will be an FA.....
so they technically don’t have to drop him. They raised his value with all the praise and careful play-calling. So resign Smith for maybe more money than 1 average NFL QB year or go after one of the greatest of all time with all the weapons you have.
Can we please get a mother f***ing QB we can be proud of?!?!?!?!?!?!
he's a FA? He'd better be packing his bags
After that playoff performance I wouldn;t resign him if I were the 49ers.
Arizona is dysfunctional
But Alex Smith showed how limited he is in the playoffs. If I were the owner I’d be looking for an upgrade. With that defense they should be able to get to the SB.
Sherman going to Miami could increase their interest in Tannehill as well.
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could be, but the Dolphin have Moore already so I would doubt they use that many resources on QB
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One mock draft (Nawrocki) had Tannehill going at about 14
Can’t remember who – maybe Dallas. The guys we like going that early is a little annoying.
Yep... Dallas
When I was a kid, my father told me, "Never hit anyone in anger, unless you're absolutely sure you can get away with it." -Russell Ziskey
How have they committed to re-signing Smith?
If they were committed….it would have been done when they made the playoffs!
Can we please get a mother f***ing QB we can be proud of?!?!?!?!?!?!
and FO's always do what they tell the media.......
heavy sigh
Can we please get a mother f***ing QB we can be proud of?!?!?!?!?!?!
That would be a good place to go but what about Flacco?
If I were the GM at Baltimore I’d try to trade Flacco and pick up Manning.
problem with Arizona
they have to go through the 49ers and they are a paper dragon.
If I were Manning I’d rather go to Miami than Arizona.
i think philbin
will tell flynn to test the market so he can get a big pay day or go to a team where he is a clear cut starter. which will be any team that is willing to pay him the big bucks. miami already has matt moore who had a pretty good year imo.with a new offense. dolphins might opt to sign bowe instead to add another wr to go with brandon marshall. and drop the wild cat all together. and the teams offense looks pretty scarey imo. so after i think about it it doesnt mean anything if the dolphins dont sign flynn. when philbin was first announced as the dolphins coach i too thought flynn would go there and if he didnt go to them. i said its a major sign that flynn is not worth it. but i think now thats not at all true.
Then, logically, either the Dolphins get him
or he’s screwed. For us, if we can get him, we shouldn’t. That is, he is not coming here. I’ve said that we should not chase – throw a bunch of money at – him, and your point suggests we should not get him cheap, either. I agree. We should not settle for second best. Also, taking Flynn would tend to limit our options. E.g., once we got Flynn, we definitely would not trade up for RG3.
I live in south florida
the dolphins fan base overall isnt interested in Matt Flynn . they dont see him as a major upgrade over Matt Moore. there are more fans saying keep more and draft tannehill or move up for rg3 then pushing for flynn. the only free agent we should bring in should be a backup
Well I hope our FO takes a little more than the opinions of the Miami fanbase into account when they evaluate Flynn
by StephanHart on Jan 26, 2012 11:18 AM EST up reply actions
Miami has a fan base?
"Please don't dominate the rap, Jack, if you got nothin' new to say."-Robert Hunter
I think the overall premise is fair
but i wouldn’t say it is an ‘all or nothing’ sort of thing. Flynn might not be as interesting in Miami, Philbin might not have the say, the Dolphins right now look like they are being run like the Redskins were after Gibbs retired again. And the Dolphins might not have the money.
The interest that Miami has will be interesting but I wouldn’t call it definitive, at least for me. The Dolphins lack of interest could depress his contract value some though as well.
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If your coming to miami
you better have the fans support
I thought we were bad until I saw people booing Chad Henne for incomplete throws in Practice (Were talking about Practice) and chanting We Want Orton
thats why I brung it up If I were a free agent QB I would not want to deal with that
A friend and I were having this conversation the other day
I just don’t even want to get in a betting war for Flynn, I’d rather trade up for RG3 than sign him fully knowing we’d be losing a fair amount of picks.
We can use the money saved on drafting our QB instead of going in on another unknown commodity balls to the wall could bring in a stellar young lineman like Nicks or Grubbs, I’m not for signing Bowe but we could afford that probably as well.
Oh and by the way, fully talking out of my ass right now
remember in terms of 'money savings'
its not just what Flynn vs RGIII cost, but also the cost of the loss of all the premium picks it takes to trade up for RGIII, you are taking 3-5 additional starters and significant contributors that would now need to be replaced via free agency over the next year or two.
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THEN U GOTTA THINK THIS
Say his old coach knows if he bids a very low price for him everyone will shy away from him and get him cheap . But regardless which way it goes flynne is not worth it at all . We need to move fowards with this by drafting a QB from the draft and stop getting unproven QBs from other teams hoping to find a gem . Just draft RG3 from the draft and start fresh with a GOOD QB . The only reason why flynne was any good at all was because he had a great offense with alot of good wide recievers to catch the ball and a line that could protect him , something WE do not have . If flynne came here to us he would get killed out there on the field and then you have another rex grossman all over again and wasting more time wondering if he is a good fit yet again for our team . Just scrap the idea and go the DRAFT route all the way .
A Couple Points
1. The Redskins will not be scrapping any routes to get a QB during this offseason. They will be exploring every option. So for those saying, Just scrap the FA idea and draft a QB!, take that into consideration.
2. If Philbin loves Flynn, but wants to lowball him to give the impression that he isn’t any good, then he will run the risk that a team like the Redskins would see his potential, be excited about a low offer by the Dolphins, and outbid them.
3. And if Philbin loves Flynn, he will come back and match offers handed out by other teams, thus blowing the smokescreen he was trying to set with a lowball offer.
4. Moreover, he has a personal relationship with Flynn, so if he likes him and wants him as a QB, he won’t blatantly disrespect him with a lowball offer.
I think what the Dolphins do will give a very good indication of what Flynn is worth.
by StephanHart on Jan 26, 2012 12:29 PM EST up reply actions
Given all the misdirection this time of the year provides...
I would EXPECT the Phins to talk up every other QB, hoping to disguise the fact that he is the guy they were planning to pursue.
Very true, but when they make an offer to Flynn, it should reflect what they think of him
And if the Redskins are interested, I’m sure we tell Flynn’s agent to alert us when another team makes in offer as we are interested in topping it.
by StephanHart on Jan 26, 2012 12:54 PM EST up reply actions
The point of the original post (or at least the title) was that a low bid would suggest that he's not very good
so the Skins (and other teams) would not want him, either. Of course, we might not believe the low ball offer, or might simply not care what Miami thinks, or flatly disagree. Anyway, I was (semi-humorously, just throwing out ideas) talking about the logical implications of the premise (that Miami would set the price for Flynn). Good post – elicited some good conversation.
Guys, listen up, Vinnie is here no longer.
Bruce Allen will not get into a bidding war with anyone (see Jenkins, Cullen.)
We might make an offer, just to see what’s up, but Miami seems to have the new “just don’t give a f_ck” owners.
We will have a new starting QB this year. They will be acquired via the draft. They will start day one.
I see it as more cushion for the pushin'
I was gonna say
If we added up all of your 1000% predictions, it would probably add up to a mill
WashingtonWin.
I agree with a lot of things you say, but DUUUUUDDDDEEEEE, get off of the caps lock.
I see it as more cushion for the pushin'
Not worth the damn picks to trade up!
by tuckwell on Jan 26, 2012 2:17 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Just ask yourself, " What would Vinny do"
And then do the opposite. Vinny would trade the entire draft and half of next year’s draft for RG3 or even Luck if he could swing it. Smarter strategy is to sign a reasonable contract for a promising FA QB and move back in the first, building a better team.
by tuckwell on Jan 26, 2012 2:49 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
you mean like the McNabb, err Jason Taylor trade?? haha
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Ugh...the Mcnabb trade...
Jason Taylor was Vinny though
no i know my point was sometimes things don't change
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I understand Cerrato left us all like a bunch of abused animals, afraid of any person that comes near us.
But that’s like saying you will never invest your money again, because Bernie Madoff was your last financial advisor.
I see it as more cushion for the pushin'
No
It’s like saying that if you’re a company that recently declared bankruptcy, you restructure your business, run in a responsible matter, and avoid risky investments that could bankrupt you again, until you are on sound financial group once again.
Stephan, I've never seen a nerdier analogy in my life. BORING!
Can we use the hot chick/fat chick thing again?
I see it as more cushion for the pushin'
How about this: It's like betting your money based off of my predictions, then....
I don’t know where I’m going with this. I just want a good QB.
I see it as more cushion for the pushin'
I do think Vinny would get whoever Shanahan wanted
no matter what it cost.
yeah but we wont have to trade that much to get rg3
we got 2 picks in the top 38 to deal to the rams. all we have to do is add the extra 4th this year and 2nd rounder next year.. and bam we got our franchise qb!
my guess is it will talk more than that
can’t see them doing it without our 1st next year
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next year's first is not that high a price at all for a franchise qb
especially if the team wins 9 or so games next season and picks in the teens. And of course if Shanny makes this move, he is going to be thinking the team can win 12 games
yes but it is very likely that with a rookie QB we could remain stagnant or even have a lower pick considering a tougher schedule
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Cmon Steve
You know this team would be better than 5 wins with a new QB. Hell, Rex with half of the turnovers alone probably nets us another 3-4 wins this past year if all else remained the same
by Bryan Black on Jan 26, 2012 7:31 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
And all else won't remain the same.
Most notably, a harder schedule.
by tuckwell on Jan 26, 2012 7:34 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Reality is that the schedule appears tougher now
But with the parody in the NFL, you never know. You can’t say that now. Half of the teams we overlooked this past year when the schedule came out put a whoopin on us
by Bryan Black on Jan 26, 2012 7:38 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
I love the use of "parody" there
and I know it was just a typo for parity, but that’s just hilarious! :-)
Hahaha auto correct is a b****!
I see it now, yes. Parody pretty much sums our last 20 years!
by Bryan Black on Jan 26, 2012 9:24 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Colin Cowherd said on the radio today
That us and Miami are, hands down, Super Bowl teams with Manning at QB. Interesting…
by Bryan Black on Jan 26, 2012 9:29 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
I agree it is a bit over the top
I say that because a lot of the radio shows I listen to (besides this idiot Tony Mercurio) put us in a category above many of the teams who I feel are further along than we are. It’s interesting and supports the general consensus that we are closer than many of us think we are.
by Bryan Black on Jan 26, 2012 11:33 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
wow, even losing more respect for the 'Herd'
we aren’t a Super Bowl team with Brady or Brees, don’t think we will be one with Manning.
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by Steve Shoup on Jan 27, 2012 12:32 AM EST up reply actions
fact of the matter is we only faced 4 teams with winning records this season
we knew this schedule was going to be easy. Now maybe we thought the 49ers would be easy and the Rams a more difficult task, the fact of the matter is it was a bit of a cake walk. Even teams like the Eagles and Jets who looked like 10+ win teams struggled this year.
Sure things can happen like injuries and etc., but I feel the East will be stronger next year, The Steelers, Ravens, Bengals, Falcons and Saints are a bit tougher than the Pats, Jets, Bills, 49ers and Seahawks.
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by Steve Shoup on Jan 27, 2012 12:30 AM EST up reply actions
Rookie QB's (on bad teams esp.) don't exactly have a great track record for production
even guys who were ‘successes’ based on their record like Flacco in 2008 or Sanchez in 2009 were far more of a product of their team. Sanchez’s numbers that year were well below Grossman’s this year and that is with far more talent around him.
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by Steve Shoup on Jan 27, 2012 12:34 AM EST up reply actions
but Sanchez is horrible.
If we’re working on the assumption that Shanny will correctly identify the right guy and he thinks it’s RG3 so we move up….the comparison becomes Cam or Dalton not Sanchez.
its not even just guys like Sanchez, but even a Flacco
look at his rookie numbers. Or even someone like Eli who turned out to be great. Rookie QB’s aren’t likely going to make this team successful, even if Shanny lands a great future QB.
Our success next year will be determined by the team, as it will take a couple of years for a QB to really ‘take the reins’.
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I agree with this routine assessment...
which is why I am AGAINST waiting until next year to get our QB. If we wait, we are not looking at a QB winning for another 3/4 years from now…
the rookie qb only has to play better than Grossman/Beck to improve the team
not a very high bar to exceed
yet one that most rookie QB's can't manage
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by Steve Shoup on Jan 27, 2012 12:34 AM EST up reply actions
sure in some categories, but he was also on a better team
I’m not saying that Grossman is the answer. But rather we can’t assume that a rookie will really change our outlook next year. Long term it could be great, but the chance that a rookie has a positive impact is slight (at QB), especially if we are trading away other picks to land him.
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CLE has 2 picks in the top 22, including the number 4 (where the Rams shoudl be assured of getting their guy, whoever it may be). It will take a lot to outbid the Browns.
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+1
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I wouldn't be shocked if the price was a bit higher for Cleveland considering what picks they are holding
Even with them being 2 picks above us.
by Bryan Black on Jan 26, 2012 7:35 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
they wont out bid us or even try to
they got it made either way. they can get the best wr or best linemen if some1 jumps them for rg3.
thats valid
but a similar argument could be made for us, we could land the second best OT or top CB (other positions as well) and still have our extra picks. Again if we are talking the difference between RGIII and say Tannehill or Weeden, what’s better. RGIII and nothing, or Tannehill/Weeden plus Reiff (or whomever at 6), and say next year’s 1st and 3rd (and likely more).
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again, Steve...
we can go round and round with these hypotheticals.
IF RG3 develops into a top 10, elite franchise QB, it will have been worth it. Who knows if Reiff comes in and solidifies the position. If he doesn’t, or gets our QB hurt because he is in over his head….
See where I am going. Your philosophy works out in your head, just like ours does in ours. After a dozen posts, and weeks of debating, I doubt one side is going to convince the other…
by jgibbsfan1 on Jan 28, 2012 9:22 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Good way to analyze the situation
It comes down to just how good RG3 is compared to the alternatives. And I have no idea on that. I hope Shanahan has an idea, though. History suggests, however, that it is not an exact science – it is very hard to predict who is going to be a top NFL QB. And ultimate success seems to ride on intangibles, like brains, courage and work ethic, and the ability to read defenses and find the open man, things that may not show up in college (because it is a simpler game there). The great uncertainty suggests that it may not be a great idea to bet the farm on any one guy.
Never got the chance
Vinny would try to sign Manning to a record contract. Failing that, he’d trade the entire draft and probably some of next year’s to move up for Luck. Failing that, he’d do near the same for RG3.``
Vinny never traded picks to move up in the draft
they moved back, and the moved back and back up. But never went all in on a single college prospect
it is if he pans out.
Who wouldnt trade all those picks for Cam Newton now? Obviosuly the big risk is that he wont pan out….but if Shanny likes him, you can bet Shanny is certain he will pan out….Mike is nothing if not overconfident in himself
but Cam has proved himself in the NFL, and lets be honest he's far from a sure thing
yes Cam had more yards and the running element, but Bradford was considered to have a ‘very successful’ rookie year and look at him now.
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He broke Peyton Mannings rookie passing record and led the NFL in rush td's.
i dont see how that becomes “far from a sure thing”
but my point was, if given the chance, it’s 100% certain the Skins would trade Orakpo, Kerrigan, this year’s 1st, and next year’s 1st to Carolina for Newton. There’s almost no ceiling to the value of a perceived franchise player.
So if RG3 were to pan out, big if, no one will ever regret what it took to get him.
that would be a horrible trade for the Skins
Newton had a high INT rate, and just an average completion percentage. For a rookie that is fine, but if he wants to be a franchise guy then more value needs to come from his passing ability.
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by Steve Shoup on Jan 27, 2012 12:43 AM EST up reply actions
it would be a no-brainer for the Skins and they would do it immediately.
yes, as a ROOKIE he had a high int rate. Many if not most rookie do, Peyton threw 28ints his rookie year. So you would have been saying the same thing about trading for Peyton after he just set the rookie passing records
Maybe
it’s hard to say. I def. would have felt more confident given Mannings excellent college career. Newton was a terrific college player, but hardly gives me the same confidence level as Manning.
You are talking about gutting our team, that doesn’t have much talent to begin with. so that would play a role as well. As that trade stands I’d barely make it for Rodgers and I LOVE Rodgers.
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to add to that Rich Eisen said the same thing on a radio interview.
I know who the f**k is rich eisen but i fggure he at least has some kind of inside information
the question that was asked was should the dolphins trade the farm for rg. he responded saying no because they have moore and that his sources are saying the redskins would trade the farm to move up. Its hard to believe in the media because last year the report was the redskins are despertly trying to move up to draft Blaine Gabbertand we all see how true that was
if shan-allen is leaking that now
were definitely moving back
A fan of losers, Redskins, Wizards, Orioles, Terps, Dale Jr, America
So, If I add together what all the "insiders" say
we’ll have Manning, Griffin and Flynn all on our roster next year. Did I miss anybody???
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BUILD FROM THE DRAFT ROUTE
Not from FAs , yes you can get a player here or there but not a QB . You build a team from the draft not the way synder or vinnie tried thru the OVERRATED FAs this is why our team is in shambles in the first place . Look how long it is taking to rebuild this team because of snyder and vinnie ? LETS NOT GO THEIR ROUTE AGAIN been there and i would say done that but we have not come out of it yet because of them two screwing this team up as bad as they did .
The Leader of the Flynn Sweepstakes: Whoever offers him the most moola
Matt Flynn will go to the highest bidder. Just ask his Agent.
And his Momma.
If we get RG3
We will win at least 9 or 10 games giving our schedule , we play away N.O. , T.B. , STL, CLEV, PITT, at home we play ATL, CAR, MINN, BALT, CINCY, and of corse you know we play giants twice and phili and cowgirls . If we get RG3 we could do real good but any other QB we will be around 6-10 .
You are absolutely ridiculous.....
what else is there to say!
Can we please get a mother f***ing QB we can be proud of?!?!?!?!?!?!
Sorry your right that was a lil short sighted
I do get carried away sometimes and i should wait til the drafts over and who we pick up my bag .
by washingtonwin on Jan 26, 2012 4:19 PM EST up reply actions
It is a tough schedule
The only winnable (but definitely not “easy”) games might be TB, Car, Cleve, STL and Minn. And we can hope to split the division. So even assuming modest improvement, we might struggle to get 8 wins.
or 4 wins with Rex at the helm
For all we know, we saw the good Rex this year and next year he’ll go back to throwing more Ints and fumbling back at his old rate. If he does it’s going to be a really ugly season.
Altho hiring GBs OC would make it seem that Flynn is headed to Miami....
I would not bet on it & that is not a knock on Flynn but more of Jeff Ireland is still the GM & the Dolphins are hoping to make a splash with their QB signing. I live about 100 miles to the west of Miami & get subjected to endless sports talk radio about them (barf). The rumors flying down here are that the Dolphins will be going after Peyton Manning, not sure how reliable that is but that’s the rumor. So if the Dolphins are not pursuing Matt Flynn, it’s not necessarily a red flag about his talent
No way I'm going to judge Flynn's talent on how much Miami wants to pay
One example of another possibility is; Miami knowing other teams especially the Redskins are in the market for a QB making them a competitor not an ally, bids really high on
Flynn single handily controlling the QB market. I’d prefer not to get too deep into this thought but I’m sure you get it. Flynn maybe great or maybe not so great, so if some OC has insight and thinks Flynn isn’t so good but makes a crazy high bid knowing we can out bid them with their real intentions to trade up right in front of us in the draft, highly unlikely scenario here the point being to lead not follow.
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