Who Would You Rather....
by squigums on Jan 26, 2012 9:00 AM EST
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PrintAfter reading a lot of articles and comments it seems the Redskins fan base is pretty scattered. So I pose the question....
If we have to draft a rookie QB in the 1st or 2nd round to start next season who would you rather have?
(keep in mind we are not counting Andrew Luck or RG3.)
And also if we do draft a QB should we draft him high at #6 and make sure nobody else takes him? Or do we wait and pray that nobody does and he falls to us in the 2nd round? Fight it out in the comments...
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Brandon Weedon in the late 2nd
He would be able to start early, be an upgrade over Rex, and possibly develop as our mid-term QB solution for the next 5+ seasons.
If he doesn’t develop, we’ve only wasted a 2nd/3rd round pick, while stocking up on picks and young talent, and we can address the QB of the future with a rich and talented class next year.
Just out of curiosity
we’ve only wasted a 2nd/3rd round pick
What if it only took that 2nd and, say, a 3rd or 4th (obviously packaged with #6) to move up for Griffin? Would you rather take a chance on “only wasting a 2nd/3rd” on a lower tier, stop gap guy at best, or would you want to make the bolder move of going and getting the projected stud?
Where do they teach you to talk like this? In some Panama City "Sailor wanna hump-hump" bar, or is it getaway day and your last shot at his whiskey? Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.
Not that simple
Just because the draft trade board thingy says it will cost around that doesnt mean it will cost that. Everyone keeps thinking it is gonna take just 2-1st round picks, a 2nd and a latter round. It might not. other teams are gonna be pulling to get that number 2 and 3 spots and the price will go up. Atlanta’s paid their 1st round, their 2nd and 4th round picks in 2011 and their 1st round selection in 2012 for the number 6 spot. imagine if it was the number 2 spot and every team that wants that number 2 spot is offering something similar if you want that spot you have to offer more.
If im wrong about this someone let me know.
HAIL 4 LIFE!!!!
Totally jumped the fence on that one
Not too good at coloring within the lines, are ya? Haha.
Where do they teach you to talk like this? In some Panama City "Sailor wanna hump-hump" bar, or is it getaway day and your last shot at his whiskey? Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.
I said
IF it only took….
And I didn’t check any “draft trade board thingy”, I was going strictly hypothetical. Like I said, I was just curious as to what people would do if the price tag WEREN’T so high.
Where do they teach you to talk like this? In some Panama City "Sailor wanna hump-hump" bar, or is it getaway day and your last shot at his whiskey? Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.
We don't know for sure that anyone else wanted the pick from Cleveland
Atlanta may have been the only one. If that is true then you can’t use that as a barometer
by Bryan Black on Jan 27, 2012 12:14 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
CJ, if it costed that little to move up for RG3, yes I'd be all for it.
And I won’t even qualify that statement by saying that I think it will cost significantly MORE to move up and get RG3, hence why I am not for trading up.
See what I did there? haha
by StephanHart on Jan 26, 2012 10:19 AM EST up reply actions
Unfortunately
If he doesn’t develop, we’ve only wasted a 2nd/3rd round pick, while stocking up on picks and young talent, and we can address the QB of the future with a rich and talented class next year.
For the Skins to be in the position to draft a QB high next year they will have to suck hind tit again this coming season and that won’t be healthy for the Shanahans. Whoever they get whether FA or draft is going to have to be successful. If course anybody could be more successful than Train Rex. He may be an aggressive QB but two turnovers a game is hard to overcome.
by DudleyDoright on Jan 26, 2012 9:55 AM EST up reply actions
Untrue. If we trade back this year, we will have plenty of ammo to trade up for a top QB next year if we so choose, regardless of our draft position
by StephanHart on Jan 26, 2012 10:20 AM EST up reply actions
But...
If we go through another season 5-11or even slightly better say 6-10 which we probably would do going with Rex again, the Shanahans will not be here in year four and we’ll be back to starting over with a new system, new coaches and STILL not have a starting QB. You cannot continue to turn the ball over twice a game and expect to win and every one of those two turnovers a game average is on one guy…Rex. One way or another they’re going to have to fix the QB problem this season so that means FA or draft pick to start the coming season.
by DudleyDoright on Jan 27, 2012 8:59 AM EST up reply actions
this is the biggest offseason not in 2013
If the Redskins are in a position where they are at 6 with nobody they really want there and look to trade back they are gonna get lowballed cause most teams know they dont need a guy like Richardson and will not get much in return at best you get a additional 2nd rd pick this year and if you do that i would not consider that stockpiling picks, and IMO trying to stockpile picks with the intention of making a splash with a trade up in 2013 does not make much since cause the best QB prospect in 15 years is in this draft in Luck and RG3 is not far behind, and next years class is not as good it may be more guys to choose from but not better quality at the top.
Nobody is gonna call the Redskins first to move up for Richardson
cause none of the teams after Redskins is gonna take him, Jacksonville,Miami,Carolina or Buffalo so if a team wanted to get Richardson my guess is they would call Carolina or Buffalo first. And like i said there is nobody that will be at the 6 spot that will get you a 2013 1st
Bold words spoken 2 months before the draft
one of the teams after Redskins is gonna take him, Jacksonville,Miami,Carolina or Buffalo so if a team wanted to get Richardson my guess is they would call Carolina or Buffalo first. And like i said there is nobody that will be at the 6 spot that will get you a 2013 1st
jacksonville not gonna take him they need Wr help, Miami not gonna take him they need OL help, Carolina need everything on defense and Buffalo got 2 RB's so they aint gonna take him
so if i am say Cincy and want Richardson why would i try and move up to the 6 spot which will cost me more when i can move up to the 9th or 10th spot and pay less???
You gotta be realistic this aint Madden, you cant bank on the fact that just cause you want to trade down that you will be able to do so, and to me it is all about getting value for your pick whether you use it or trade it and most likely it wont be enough to plug all these holes most are talking about
by Highspeed30 on Jan 27, 2012 10:03 AM EST up reply actions
Once again, I think its impressive that you know what teams are going to do and exactly who they are going to covet 2 months out from the draft
by StephanHart on Jan 27, 2012 10:25 AM EST up reply actions
Oh...and you do?
The days of running backs being so coveted are well past. Used to be it was always a RB that won the Heisman…not any more…it’s QB’s. Last year the first RB taken Mark Ingram went 28th in the first round. I would say its a pretty sure thing nobody is going to trade up to the 6th pick to take a RB. It’s QB, DL, LB or WR.
by DudleyDoright on Jan 28, 2012 8:28 AM EST up reply actions
I would pick Weeden in the 4th rd
i think 3rd rd is too early for him, if he was not there I would take Kirk Cousins or BJ Coleman in the 4th rd. I just dont believe you take a flier on a QB in 2nd rd. you take fliers on Qb’s in 4th rd maybe late 3rd.
+1
As long as Weeden doesnt get injured or have a bad performance he will climb to a late 2nd or 3rd round prospect
I just dont think a lot of QB's are gonna be taken after 2nd rd
and he was always rated a 4th rd guy. Chris Weinke was taken in the 3rd rd, and i just dont think he will go before 4th. as much as people gonna say he better than Weinke his age is still gonna be a factor and most people draft backups in the 4th rd
I completely agree
& I don’t think that I would take Weeden before the 5th. I think his age is more than just a short career, I think there is a very good chance that he has hit his ceiling in regards to talent & performance. I think that both Cousins & Coleman can still improve their game both mentally & physically. I’m not sure that any of the three will ever become starters in the NFL
I just dont believe you take a flier on a QB in 2nd rd. you take fliers on Qb’s in 4th rd maybe late 3rd.
OK, since when do people stop developing at age 28?
Because he’s 28 his brain somehow stops taking in information to process? He becomes mentally retarded and physically disabled?
This high/low ceiling shit is stupid as hell and a worn out cliche.
Succeeding in life is about how hard you work, not a freaking ceiling.
I see it as more cushion for the pushin'
by iH8dallas on Jan 25, 2012 4:46 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
got your back on this one......
This is not a John Beck type situation (I have noticed the comparison bounced around a little). Beck finished college and has been working for professional organizations for 7(?) years now. Weeden has never had the opportunity. I will even say at his age he actually is much better suited to be able to grasp all the nuances of the pro game. He probably wont change much physically, but the ability to understand the game at a high level is what makes a “franchise QB”.
"Please don't dominate the rap, Jack, if you got nothin' new to say."-Robert Hunter
WTF are you talking about ??
Because he’s 28 his brain somehow stops taking in information to process? He becomes mentally retarded and physically disabled?
Where did you see me saying anything resembling this ??
This high/low ceiling shit is stupid as hell and a worn out cliche.
Players reach a maximum that is dictated by their talent & physical attributes & a player who is 28 has most likely reached his maximum already. In other words, IMHO I don’t think that Branden Weeden will be getting much better than he is right now, which is not good enough to play in the NFL.
Succeeding in life is about how hard you work, not a freaking ceiling.
Tell that to Kellen Moore, he is the hardest worker & probably the smartest football mind in this entire class of QBs & he will be lucky to even get a shot as an UDFA.
The difference between a college QB & an NFL QB is huge, to be able to make that transition a player needs to have the potential to improve dramatically which is why there are so many highly drafted college QBs that never make it in the NFL.
Again.....
How much do his physical skills need to improve for him to be able to play in the NFL?
He has never been coached in a professional situation, are you suggesting that at the ripe ol age of 28 that he no longer had the mental acuity to advance as a QB? That is prime age for a QB in the NFL, and I believe that a big part of that is maturity…..not just experience on the field, but being mature enough to realize what’s really going on.
"Please don't dominate the rap, Jack, if you got nothin' new to say."-Robert Hunter
Here is a link about him over on MTD
http://www.mockingthedraft.com/2012/1/25/2731811/2012-senior-bowl-brandon-weeden-looks-sharp-but-does-it-matter
We really won’t know for a couple of years whether he can become an NFL QB or not but IMHO he has reached his peak of how good of a QB he can become
He has never been coached in a professional situation, are you suggesting that at the ripe ol age of 28 that he no longer had the mental acuity to advance as a QB?
It’s not the mental acuity, it’s being able to process the information fast enough for the speed of the game. You mentioned John Beck above, what held him back ?? He has all of the physical tools, he is very smart & we all saw during the lock out how hard he tried. His problem is not “mental acuity” but more of how the game is obviously moving to fast for him
That is prime age for a QB in the NFL, and I believe that a big part of that is maturity
Maturity is one of Weedens biggest attributes but again, he is not going to get any more mature or not much more mature than he is right now.
In that Post over on MTD, one of the brighter guys over there made the analogy of Chad Henne (who is the same age as Weeden) going to WVU at this stage of life. He would dominate at the collegiate level but that won’t make him a better QB in the NFL
I could be totally wrong about the guy (wouldn’t be the 1st or the last time) but IMHO he won’t be a starter in the NFL.
I rather thought that poor John Beck psyched himself out
He was pretty much ordered to not throw interceptions, so he determined not too – and got too cautious. He threw a bunch of dinks and dunks, not taking any chance of a turnover. So then he was crucified as being too cautious.
Ironically, that could mean that he is better than he looked in those games. He might come back and compete for the starting job. Maybe in preseason they could give him a lot of playing time, tell to just go and do his thing, not worry about mistakes.
The MTD report and comments were very good. Weeden's game against Stanford was a better
performance than the Senior Bowl. He had receivers that he had practiced and played games with for at least a season. RGIII’s game against Washington really was not more impressive. Stanford had a better defensive unit than Washington. RGIII’s pocket presence against pro teams with a lot of film will be a real test for him and his legs will not be as great of an asset in the pro game. Of course much of this remains to be seen. Nevertheless Weeden did not look bad compared to Luck in one game.
by Jefferson1935 on Jan 31, 2012 2:33 PM EST up reply actions
Roger Staubach, drafted earlier but did not play until he was 27. His situation was unique but shows that
success can occur at an older age than typical.
by Jefferson1935 on Jan 25, 2012 8:00 PM EST up reply actions
Plan A pick at #6 and plan B - second choice - Weeden
“And also if we do draft a QB should we draft him high at #6 and make sure nobody else takes him? Or do we wait and pray that nobody does and he falls to us in the 2nd round?”
by Jefferson1935 on Jan 25, 2012 8:06 PM EST up reply actions
He's better than Weinke
When I was a kid, my father told me, "Never hit anyone in anger, unless you're absolutely sure you can get away with it." -Russell Ziskey
Back that up, if you will.
Weinke in college was nearly unstoppable. He could make every throw, had poise, accuracy, and leadership. He won a national championship and a Heisman. One of the best college QBs of the last quarter century.
I'd pick Luck as an UDFA
that way he’ll be cheap
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put the weed down (good suggestion for TW & Davis)...
Given the verbage, Weeden is probably the most prepared TO START.
But, I voted Tannehill. He may not be ready, persay, but is athletic enough, he could develop into the system…
[ I still want Luck or RG3 ]
Absolutely not would I draft any QB other than Luck or RGIII at #6
If you do it nets the same effect that a Luck or RGIII trade up and subsequent bust does. I’m saying Tannehill, but only if he’s available at our 2nd round pick. His most recent injury may put him there. If he’s not grab Foles. Weeden is too old, not interested
by Bryan Black on Jan 25, 2012 5:42 PM EST via Android app reply actions
WE NEED TO DRAFT UP RG3
But the only one i would select if i had to would be weeden , but then we will be going backwards again . I do not like any of the other selections tannehill (broken foot) you know he will have problems later on , foles not to accurate of a passer . We just need to draft up and not pick a 2nd rounder period , we need our QB now and a good one at that not a second stringer for life . You want a good QB go get one not a SO SO one . I think if we do not get RG3 our chances of getting a good QB for this team will be drop big time and then we will be back at square one again .
Wash - I agree with the basic point, that we shouldn't go with second raters, and should trade up
but how can you be so sure about Tannehill, Foles and Weeden? Since when is a foot injury in December fatal to a QBs career? Seems to me that it is almost meaningless, except maybe for letting us get him cheaper. I also don’t disqualify Weeden because he’s 28. For one thing, he might be younger than 28 physically because he’s been playing baseball – not getting clobbered a lot. And QBs can play longer too – Weeden could have 10 years left.
And second rounders are not doomed to being backups. Dalton was a second rounder, and he’s doing fine. Most people considered Ponder a second rounder, and he’s starting.
+1. if we spend a late second or 3rd round pick on Weeden and he plays 6 years
at a high level then he was worth the pick. generally 3rd rounders are guys that can grow into starters in the future so they have less playing-time overall than guys who start right away.
if comes out and plays relatevely well he is worth it. In terms of play weeden is a 1st rounder. in terms of age he is that of a 5th rounder. if we take him in the early 3rd and he plays like we expect him to then we got expected value for him.
i think us drafting Claiborne(or something like that), then Jeffrey( or a Interior O-lineman), then Weeden would be productive now just for the now but for the future as well.
WELL LIKE I SAID
If i had to choose one it would be weeden , because i think he is only the last best option if we do not get RG3 but anyone else i think id wait another year and hope we have another high pick to get a good QB and the only one i would go after would be barkly . I do not like landry at all and the jurys still out on barkly but i would pick him i think .
by washingtonwin on Jan 26, 2012 11:51 AM EST up reply actions
please clarify...
hope we have another high pick to get a good QB
This would require ANOTHER poor season, wins/losses.
I AM SAYING IF WE DONT
Get RG3 or weeden
by washingtonwin on Jan 26, 2012 1:05 PM EST up reply actions
Try and trade down
You can’t take a second round prospect at #6. You just can’t.
Where do they teach you to talk like this? In some Panama City "Sailor wanna hump-hump" bar, or is it getaway day and your last shot at his whiskey? Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.
I don't believe
Locker was a second round prospect. And Ponder ws definitely a stretch, but he still didn’t go top 6.
Where do they teach you to talk like this? In some Panama City "Sailor wanna hump-hump" bar, or is it getaway day and your last shot at his whiskey? Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.
It's six picks
That’s pretty far for the first round. And yes, Lockers stock was dropping, but it started off at (possibly) #1 overall.
Frankly, I am convinced Shanny would’ve taken him if he would’ve lasted until our pick. I never saw him dropping to the second round.
Where do they teach you to talk like this? In some Panama City "Sailor wanna hump-hump" bar, or is it getaway day and your last shot at his whiskey? Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.
Anyone else ready to hop off the Flynn to the Redskins express? Please HURRY!
Aaron Rodgers told Jason Wilde of ESPN Milwaukee on Wednesday that it’s a "strong possibility" the Dolphins will pursue Flynn. That’s practically evidence of tampering right there.
Redskins @RGIII - 2012
Still on board.
Good upgrade to the position without the massive contract some are afraid of, and not wasting draft picks.
by tuckwell on Jan 25, 2012 7:36 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Without the massive contract?
Do you know something we don’t?
Where do they teach you to talk like this? In some Panama City "Sailor wanna hump-hump" bar, or is it getaway day and your last shot at his whiskey? Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.
Apparently.
Even though it’s been linked in Flynn stories here, I guess I’m the only one that read it. Don’t have the link handy, but it’s around.
I saw
One person say he wouldn’t get much because of what Kolb/ Cassell have shown, but I think that’s BS. That would imply A) NFL GM’s actually learn from their mistakes and 2) that the annual desperation to find the “next great one” at QB no longer exists. Don’t buy that either. Teams will be bidding for Flynn, and he will pretty much be able to name his price.
Where do they teach you to talk like this? In some Panama City "Sailor wanna hump-hump" bar, or is it getaway day and your last shot at his whiskey? Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.
Ok.
Kolb’s contract guarantees him about $4mil a year, with roster bonuses and such that inflate the entire contract to 5 year, $63 mil. You would argue someone’s going to pay Flynn that kind of money? The guaranteed money is about right, but I can’t imagine his contract would be more than four years, and I simply don’t believe the total contract worth will top $40mil with $18mil guaranteed.
Personally I’d be most comfortable with 4 years, $22mil and $12mil guaranteed. That probably isn’t going to happen, but it’d be great value for the team, and if Flynn is all that, he’ll get his full amount and a lucrative extension. More realistic is $35mil, $16mil guaranteed. Teams are going to want to see him perform over an extended time before they break the bank on him. Part of why Kolb and Cassel got so much was they played an entire season. Flynn’s lack of game experience has been cited repeatedly as a reason to ignore him, but it plays in our favor too. I believe it makes him significantly cheaper. I can’t think of any NFL GMs that are going to give him Kolb money besides maybe Jeff Ireland, but he’s looking ready to throw a Brinks truck of cash at Manning ASAP.
Kolb never
Started an entire season. Still hasn’t. Admittedly, he did have (many) more starts than Flynn, but there was still no evidence of how he would go for a full season. What’s also different between the two is that Kolb’s rights were owned, Flynn’s aren’t. Flynn can choose between teams,, which means he will be bid on. Auctions tend to go up in price the longer they last.
We won’t know anything until free agency opens, but I think that teams will convince themselves, out of desperation, that Flynn is the real deal. And,, if that’s true, I really hope we’re not one of those teams.
Where do they teach you to talk like this? In some Panama City "Sailor wanna hump-hump" bar, or is it getaway day and your last shot at his whiskey? Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.
I think you overstate the desperation issue
These aren’t guys sitting around in their underwear making fantasy football trades. These are multimillionaire businessmen who aren’t going to just spasm a signing out of their ass.
Flynn will cost a bundle - too much
A lot more dollars than RG3.
We do have Alternatives
There are so many sleepers out there that we do not need to worry as much as some may think so that lets us know we do have some alternatives and if we play this right, we can come out smelling like fresh roses for it is all about timing. We just have to time it right and make the free-agency moves we have to which in turn help to set up the draft. For example if we can get a free-agent starter for wide-receiver, & 2 guards we can focus on the tackle, center, by trading back for extra picks then get our quarter-back, a huge wide-receiver, large running back, 2 huge 6’6" or better tight ends, a play-making ILB, 2 6’1" or larger corner-backs, along with a 6’2" or better FS & SS, a huge space-eating NT that can clog up the middle & collapse the pocket an pressure the quarter-back and one more huge beast of a defensive-line man that can stop the run & pressure the quarter-back. We draft this way and we are set for years to come only using the draft to strengthen our team. Remember we only had 6 picks last draft we came out with 12, we have 8 this year and about 20 million under the salary cap, we are in good shape to make it happen this draft.
Just a thought
Just watched the Shanahan interview at the senior bowl and i got the idea that it would be a good idea to draft 2 QBs this year a guy like Foles in the second and Weeden in the 3rd if he is still there. That way if Weeden is as good as he looks in college he might be able to start while Foles learns.
HAIL 4 LIFE!!!!
That is a horrible idea
I believe if you know what you doing to just pick a guy and develop him vs doing it the Vinny way and draft 2 Wrs in the second rd and another pass catching TE in the second rd and hope that one of them pans out. you talk about a waste of resources drafting 2 QB’s in consecutive rds is a waste
pretty bad thought:P
better off trading our 1,2,3, the extra 4th picks to get rg3
by munson21502 on Jan 26, 2012 12:58 AM EST up reply actions
People think Weeden is going to be around a lot later than he actually will be. Remember, its a weak Qb class now. Skins are not going to be able to go into the draft just hoping a Qb falls to them.
Weeden is Simply to Old
I understand the desire to get a Qb but lets be realistic. Physically Weeden is in his prime. He’ll be able to maintain this for a couple more years and then his physical ability will start to decline. The problem that any team will face with drafting a guy like Weeden to be their franchise QB, will be that by time his mental understanding of the game reaches a sufficient level he will already be on the decline physically.
He’s 28 this year, and he would be 29 next year if he started. Lets say he follows the path of the avg Qb, so by his 3rd year things should really start to gel in his head. By that time he’s 32 and is physically past his prime. If Shanny really believes that Weeden is the next Elway am for it, but am tired of all these stop gap measures.
With so many holes to fill, we don’t have the luxury of taking a QB to serve as a stop gap. Do we need a QB yes. Either we find a player who we believe can completely fill the QB position for years to come, or we move on to fill another need. Using draft picks (especially high picks) to serve as stop gaps will leave us with two holes unfilled.
by bigmikeemike09 on Jan 26, 2012 12:31 AM EST reply actions
do u remeber todd collins? how old was he when he took us to the playoffs? 37?
man i feel like playing QB in the NFL is like 70% mental and and 30% physical. Think about all the guys who have all the “physical tools” to be QBs but never pan out. Jason Campbell is a prime example. he had all the measurables but didnt have the mental make-up.
if this guy can play smart, he can be a good relatively good. and he is older and more mature(hopefully) so he will understand he only has ONE chance to be a starter and to take advantage of it.
All we need is Dalton-level play out of a QB to get to the playoffs. you dont think Dalton was a better prospect physically than Weeden do you?
Todd Collins was not good
I don’t want to just make the playoffs. I want to win a championship. The “you just need an average QB mantra” only works when you have a perfect everything else. The bengals lost to a team that didn’t have their two top Qb’s so that’s not that good of an example. Not to mention the fact that no one will be picking them to win a championship any time soon. You cannot get by in this league with an average QB. To win consistently you need a QB who you can give the ball to with the game on the line.
The only in the last 15 years that won with your average QB belief was the Baltimore Ravens, and they had arguably the best defense of all time, a great oline, a great rushing attack, and a great special teams. If you have all of that then no, you don’t need a good/great QB to win a championship. But I ask you, what is harder to create. An almost perfect team whose only flaw is the QB. Or a team with some flaws who has a great Qb (ala the giants/patriots).
Weeden has only played in a spread offense. The belief that simply because he’s older he is better does not follow. Especially when you realize that a 21/22 year old QB may have actually spent more time on football than Weeden since Weeden played baseball before hand. Who was the last great football Qb to try and play baseball first and then succeed in switching to football.
by bigmikeemike09 on Jan 26, 2012 11:53 AM EST up reply actions
Funny you should ask...
Who was the last great football Qb to try and play baseball first and then succeed in switching to football.
Played baseball enough that he used it against the team which drafted him to be traded….
Elway had, by then, played two summers of minor league baseball for the New York Yankees organization, and threatened to join the Yankees full-time unless the Colts traded him.
Weeden Actually Played Baseball
Weeden played baseball for multiple years, not just a couple summers. Hence why he’s so old now.
by bigmikeemike09 on Jan 26, 2012 4:33 PM EST up reply actions
well i think we could make the case that the redskins as a team are better than the bengals
minus Green and Dalton. I understand your feelings, we want to win the whole thing. but u gotta be able to walk before you can run. we are still at the crawling stage. we still have quite a few missing pieces. the secondary, o-line, Wide recievers, and QB are atrocious. i think we should try to build the rest of the team before going all in. once the team is decked out with talent and depth, then we can go trade 2 first round picks away for one player.
the question is: is the guy better than anyone we have on the team? Yes
can we take care of that need while taking care of others? Yes
we need to get back to respectability before going for it all. imagine us going deep into the playoffs, getting blown out because of the other holes we have, and dropping back into obscurity for another 5 years. id rather build the team right.
Still....I think we just entered there.
we are still at the crawling stage
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Precisely
I understand where your coming from, but I disagree with your remedy. In what way is Weeden better than Rex. Weeden has never thrown a football in the nfl. Weeden is coming from a spread system. Not to mention that if we take Weeden we inevitably end up not filling another hole/need. You don’t build a good team by partly filling holes. You build it by finding guys who can fill the need completely and move on.
What sense does it make to get a QB who may or may not be better than the guy we have now, but who definitely(barring a miracle) wont be our QB of the future. It’s a complete waste of a pick. Were way better off drafting a guy who can completely fill a need rather than a guy who may marginally improve QB play.
Lets be realistic about Weeden. How good do you think he will be as the skins starter next year. Remembering all of the holes the redskins have, the fact that he played in a spread system, the fact that he had great receivers, the fact that he had a great running game, and the fact that he’s a rookie. Would he be better than Bradford as a rookie. Would he be better than Manning as a rookie. Probably not. It would be shocking to see improved QB play if we draft Weeden to start at QB from day 1.
Teams start rookie QB’s not because they desire immediate improvement but because they understand that it is in the best interest of the team in the long-run. We obviously could not be thinking about that however because Weeden would be 29 next year. If we want immediate improvement we should look towards free agency. If you think that Brandon Weeden is capable of being the franchise QB for the redskins that’s one thing. But if you think we should take Weeden simply because he may be better marginally better than Rex, that is a thinking process that I just cannot understand.
by bigmikeemike09 on Jan 26, 2012 4:55 PM EST up reply actions
It's not even close
Weeden is so much better than all the guys mentioned. If not for the age, he’d be a high first round pick. If we don’t move up, he’s my choice(even at 28 – maybe we can get 6 good years from him). If not him, Foles. I’d personally let the Tannehill train ride on by, unless we are able to get him with a trade-back in the 2nd.
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i agree. he is the most able to start NOW of the second tier guys.
guys here are talking about it taking him 3 years to become great. there are plenty of QB’s who sat for 3 years and still suck (kolb) and there are guys who come in immediately and compete (bradford, mccoy{who is better than anyone on our roster}).
it really depends on the guy. if he comes in and competes at a “C” level that mccoy was last year, it will be better than playing ring-around-the-rosie with Beck and Grossman. if he doesnt pan out well we can always draft a great QB next year. but this year we should not stunt our growth by giving up atleast 3 possible starters for one QB who may or not be everything we think and hope he is.
THANK YOU.
There is so much trade up talk and they all say the same thing. They are impatient and think getting a QB will fix everything but it wont
HAIL 4 LIFE!!!!
that's not what everyone who wants to trade up is saying
1 argument for trading up is that upgrading the QB will be a bigger upgrade than any other position or even multiple other positions.
personally I think that trading up might be worthwhile if the cost isn’t too high. At this point nobody knows the cost – all we have are guesses.
I was, at first, impressed with him...
and his play in the Bowl game, against Oregon, was very good…
But, he is reminding me more and more of Chase Daniels; a solid college QB, with good skills, but the lack of height is just going to do him in. Yes, I know Brees is sorta short, but he is very much the exception. The best Wilson can hope for is similar to Daniels, nice backup….
Foles
Pick him up in whatever round he’s supposed to go in and not a moment sooner.
But i’ve just got a feeling the redskins will make a big splash in this years draft by trading up to get someone cool. Someone who has but numbers and letters in his name.
The Beat Box aka skins secondary.
by Al_CaPWNED on Jan 26, 2012 9:54 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
like a Russian?
OBE4KиH, Did pretty good for the Caps. I just don’t think a third counts as a number in the name.
I mean Ovechkin actually has to put a 4 in his name when he writes it in Russian
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This from Todd McShay on Brandon Weedon at the Senior Bowl
“Weeden is proving that he is not a product of Oklahoma State’s wide-open system and the talent of standout WR Justin Blackmon, that he can make all the throws and has a legitimate chance to be a starter in the NFL”
I heard shanny say in a interview that he feel the Skins are close
and that with another good draft and a Franchise QB they would be able to compete. I thought it was telling him using the words Franchise QB, cause i never heard him say that when talking about the Redskins QB situation.
Him getting RG3 would imply though that this wasn't a good draft
Thats like saying the year we drafted Brian Orakpo was a good draft
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I dont understand your point.
If we got RG3, it WOULDNT be a good draft?
Highspeed - Shanahan said that?
Hard to believe – I don’t think he has ever talked like that.
yeah he used the words Franchise QB, and I never heard him use those words
I think he may know he gotta get a Franchise type guy and get the ball rolling
Yes, I read the interview
Mike was more forthcoming than usual. Must be having a good time down there.
there is only 2 Franchise QB prospects in this draft and one of them seems to no be for sale
Even if you trade up for RG3 you would only be giving up 1 of your draft picks a 2nd rd pick this year and a couple next year. They drafted some nice pieces in rds 3-7 last year
We'd probably lose a 1 next year to if Miami wants him
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Keep Rex
Draft Brock Osweler in the 3rd
by mr.snyderhireme on Jan 26, 2012 7:22 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I would rather have Russell Wilson than anyone on that list
Looks to be that he having a great senior bowl as well
Foles
If we don’t trade up for RG3 which in my opinion is by far the best option then I think Foles is the guy. Shanahan loved Locker last year and Foles is very similar, plus we know we can get him with our second pick. If we do this then we should trade out of 6 and draft an OL and pick up another 2nd rounder and either draft WR, CB, or S. I also like Wilson if we could get him in the 3rd. In this scenario we could trade down in the first take the OL, draft 2 of these WR, CB, or S in the 2nd and then take Wilson in the 3rd.
Comparing anyone to Locker is foolhardy.
Locker was a flawed prospect from day one, and it’s not a favorable comparison to anyone else.
There is a lot of debate as to whether or not the Redskins should trade multiple draft picks to move up and take Robert Griffin III. To me, it’s not making one type of move (trading picks) or another (spending money) to solve a longstanding problem (lack of a franchise quarterback). It’s about making the smart move. The Giants usually hold on to their draft picks. But in 2004, the smart move was to trade away their 2005 first-round pick for as part of a deal for the rights to Eli Manning. That worked out for them. It is possible for the smart move to be trading away picks to get your man, especially if you need a quarterback. They saw the opportunity and grabbed it. Something similar may be the right move for the Redskins and it might not be, but being smart and not stuck in a rigid mode of thinking is the key.
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