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Time to play off season GM. The Redskins have many needs to fill during this off season and it starts in house. It's time to decide who we keep, who we cut, who we let walk. Today I'll go over the Offense and sometime later this week I'll do the Defense.

First lets start with our roster as is right now.

Star-divide

QB:

Neither Rex Grossman or John Beck is tenured for next year its obvious we need a QB on this team and we need a veteran on this team, my guess is we sign Rex Grossman and let Beck walk

RB:

Tim Hightower is a free agent, we have two promising young backs in Helu and Royster but a third is most likely needed. I'd say sign Hightower but have him be a third down pass blocker, no reason to hinder the development of these young guys by playing a older RB. Or maybe we could get a 3 headed monster going. HellRoyTower!

WR:

Clearly an area of need for the Washington Redskins, yet we have so many of them. Jabar Gaffney is not under contract for next year, we need to bring him back. if nothing else the Redskins should use him as a ploy to bring female fans to fill the stadium on game day, that way we'll have some fans right?

Santana Moss, sadly his time as a Redskin is limited he has nearly a 6.5 Million cap hit next year, on top of one of the worst seasons for a WR in the NFL in terms of drops. I don't want to see Moss go but I'd like him as more of a slot receiver.

Leonard Hankerson, He is obviously under contract for next year and hopefully he can continue to make strides in the off season and become a solid number 2. If he can really progress as a WR I see no reason why we can't have him as a 2 and bring in somebody like Dwayne Bowe to be our #1. However DB wont be nearly as cheap as Jabar, but he could be the burner that this team desperately needs.

Niles Paul, like above for Hankerson, he's coming back and hopefully can

make a push to get more catches this year. I also see him returning punts next year too.

Brandon Banks, is not under contract for next year, I can assume he'll be gone (and the Parks debates about him will be as well).

Anthony Armstrong, not under contract I don't see him hear next year, which really puts a glaring need on the team for a burner. Leonard Hankerson ran a decent 40 but many have argued that he doesn't really play that fast.

TE:

Cooley is under contract for next year but has failed to stay healthy for the past few years. His contract is also due for a 6 million dollar hit next season. That's the 5th highest cap hit on the team, for an aging injury prone (as of late) old style TE. I love Cooley as much as the next guy but he needs to restructure his contract and stay healthy for him to stay in Washington. He does have something working to his advantage though.

Fred Davis, has finally become the TE he was drafted to be. He has also become known for failing drug tests. He is not under contract but his recent drug testing history gives us the advantage of bringing him back on the cheap. Davis might not like it so it could be a very high incentive based contract, one that favors the team if he fails another test.

Logan Paulsen, not under contract for next year, he's a great blocker and has shown at times he can be a good big man to go to on the check downs. If nothing else bring him back for injury reasons for Cooley and insurance for Fred.

LT:

Trent Williams and Fred Davis have grown to be great buds here in Washington, however they need to quit smoking buds for the safety of our QB next year. While Trent Williams hasn't lived up to his 4th overall draft pick he is the best lineman we have on the team.

Backups along this line can become confusing with everyone being swapped all over depending on who is hurt, and honestly I don't think any of the backups will be cut, unless we draft someone high in April. I see Willie Smithback here next year possibly competing for a starting job at RT and he may even be handed that job if we let Brown walk. That wouldn't bother me at all.

LG:

Kory Lichtenstiger, Trent Williams really liked playing next to him, he drew a 15 yard penalty for him earlier in the season sticking up for him. He may be coming off an injury in a contract year but I see Mike resigning him. Look for us to pursue other Gs in free agency though notably Ben Grubbs, however I see Baltimore locking him up due to their own line issues.

C:

Will Montgomery, wasn't listed at http://www.thehogs.net/washington-redskins/salary.php?search=Name#individualwhere I have received all of this contract information from so I am unsure of his contract. However I cant see us purging our offensive line in the off season unless we spend a 1 and 2 on OLmen in the draft.

RG:

Chris Chester, Will be the starting RG in 2012 he played pretty solid all year long.

RT:

This is the position that I am most curious about heading into 2012. Jamal Brown played horribly last year, I see him being cut or forced to compete with Willie Smith or a draft pick we bring in. I don't see this position being stable in the 2012 season.

Biggest area of need, the Redskins obviously need help along the O-line in 2012 but they have more pressing needs as well. The quarterback is still in question as well are the WRs. We only have 1 tall guy in Hankerson and he was just progressing in the NFL when he got hurt. If we don't resign Gaffney that leads me to believe we will be targeting a big FA WR and if we don't do that look for us to draft Blackmon, Jeffery, Floyd or Toon in the first two rounds.

I see the Washington Redskins trading back to the early teens in this draft (or trying to at least) to grab an extra second rounder. In this scenario it gives us the ability to bring in a first round WR in Floyd or Jeffery. A QB where he should be taken in the early second in Tannehill and the ability to get a starting caliber RT, all in the first two rounds. This also protects us from a QB who busts because we had an extra second rounder. Leave your thoughts below.

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Just for the record

I’d trade down (were not getting any top end talent) and get Jeffery or Floyd they are Jeffery is 6’4 Floyd is 6’3. Either would be a great player for our team. Go with the guy with the better work ethic and desire to play. And if they are both equal there go for the less injury prone.

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by jbh1190 on Jan 24, 2012 10:55 AM EST reply actions  

thats a first all day

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by jbh1190 on Jan 24, 2012 3:23 PM EST up reply actions  

there will be

but theres been nothing to talk about on here for a while and this is my outlet at work so I thought I’d stir up something that wasn’t qb related to the draft.

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by jbh1190 on Jan 24, 2012 12:54 PM EST up reply actions  

When the new 53 man roster is announced...

I’m sure that the players that were here when Shanahan got here that are still on the team will be less than 15

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by ptowny on Jan 24, 2012 1:34 PM EST up reply actions  

that seems kinda high

Cooley
Davis
Orakpo
(Landry)?
DHall
Fletcher
Moss
Westbrook
Barnes

9 is less than 15 anymore you think i’m missing?

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by jbh1190 on Jan 24, 2012 1:39 PM EST up reply actions  

by 9 is less than 15 i meant to imply that I think the number would be less than 10

but i could be missing a few.

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by jbh1190 on Jan 24, 2012 1:39 PM EST up reply actions  

I didn't do the math...

but you’re absolutely right. I think on your list, Davis, Landry and Westbrook are all question marks. Rocky is another free agent that might be gone, and Kareem Moore is the only guy i think might be missing from your list…but he was on IR. I’m not so sure Cooley comes back either. So…it might be closer to 5 players. It’s unbelieveable that a coach could come in and basically upgrade 45-50 positions in 2 years. We had to be absolutely terrible

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by ptowny on Jan 25, 2012 7:41 AM EST up reply actions  

I would not get a receiver in the first round this year

I think there are a lot of sleeper type of receivers that can be had in later rounds.

by Highspeed30 on Jan 24, 2012 11:07 AM EST reply actions  

Such as?

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by jbh1190 on Jan 24, 2012 11:18 AM EST up reply actions  

weren't they all tiny like armstrong?

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by jbh1190 on Jan 24, 2012 12:21 PM EST up reply actions  

I still want an andre johnson calvin johnson or larry fitzgerald type wr

Not that I have anything against Marko Mitchell

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by jbh1190 on Jan 24, 2012 12:59 PM EST up reply actions  

His name is Michael Floyd

and by the time Rex is done with him he’ll be Optimus….meaning he’ll destroy Megatron anytime anywhere single handily after he dies twice and a boy brings him back to life with pixie dust.

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by jbh1190 on Jan 24, 2012 1:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Floyd is considered to be the Megatron of this draft

he is often compared to Megatron and thought to be a almost perfect match as well

by squigums on Jan 24, 2012 3:08 PM EST up reply actions  

than why is blackmon and until recently

Jefferys projected ahead of him?

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by jbh1190 on Jan 24, 2012 3:30 PM EST up reply actions  

they are all projects WR

All the later round WR are projects that need polishing. Blackmon, Floyd, Jefferys, Toon, and Wright are the ready to go WR. Blackmon, Floyd, Jefferys, and Wright will go in the first round and will make a big impact where ever they go. We need a big WR who will make a immediate impact especially if Skins draft a rookie QB.

by squigums on Jan 24, 2012 3:13 PM EST up reply actions  

and that'd give us 2

in Hankerson and (Floyd, Jefferys, Toon, Wright) I think we could get Toon in the 2nd.

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by jbh1190 on Jan 24, 2012 3:31 PM EST up reply actions  

if the Phins

are really switching to a 4-3 D

any chance with sign their NT Soliai?

by Kia.Area51 on Jan 24, 2012 11:45 AM EST reply actions  

Ok

but there is a reason there are later round prospects and floyd Jefferys and Toon are all 1st 2nd round prospects….its because they are better. Yes you can find a diamond in the rough. What do you suggest then? OL Tannehill Ol? OL Tannehill NT?…etc? Tell me how you’d draft if you traded down to mid teens?

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by jbh1190 on Jan 24, 2012 12:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Well i would not trade down but if i did I would take DeCastro in mid teens

with my two 2nd round picks i would acquire from the trade down I would take T Nate Potter, and if the right CB was there like Janoris Jenkins i would take him, if not I would take Brian Quick in 2nd rd. in the 3rd rd i would get the best receiver I had rated if i got CB Jenkins if I got Wr Quick I would look to get a CB like Brandon Boykin From Georgia or Chase Minnifield from Virginia or Josh Norman Coastal Carolina. Get maybe a TE Michael Egnew in the 4th, and a QB like Ryan Lindley San deigo st, BJ Coleman Tennesse Chattanooga, Kirk Cousin Michigan st, or Brandon Weeden with one of my 4th’s

But then again i would not trade down to begin with.

by Highspeed30 on Jan 24, 2012 12:54 PM EST up reply actions  

That was very well thought out

But by getting 2 offensive linemen with your first picks your not really making the team much better in terms of scoring and making plays. They only give the qb a second more which is very valuable don’t get me wrong. However I see it as we need playmakers too and spending your first two picks on OLmen the increase in productivity as far as wins go this season would be very minimal.

What would you do with the first pick then?

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by jbh1190 on Jan 24, 2012 12:58 PM EST up reply actions  

But I would trade up 2012 1st,2nd and 2013 1st, and maybe 3rd or 4th leaving me with this kinda draft

1st round Robert Griffin III, with no 2nd round pick i would see how the round shake out. with my 3rd Rd pick i would get my higest rated receiver maybe Brian Quick fall to 3rd, or Marvin McNutt, Jeff Fuller one of the 3 should be there. then with my 2 4th rd picks i would look to get best OL maybe Andrew Datko, Levy Adcock, or Brandon Mosley, C David Molk. with the other 4th look to get TE Michael Egnew, or CB Josh Norman, or Mike Harris.

by Highspeed30 on Jan 24, 2012 1:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Thats to much for a guy like RG cubed

He scares the crap out of me. Especially since we have to trade up to get him. That means if he busts its even worse, to much at risk right now with such a young team. Were building our “foundation now” its not time to refinance before the house is even done.

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by jbh1190 on Jan 24, 2012 1:15 PM EST up reply actions  

and that goes for any position

Its not just Qb or RG cubed its we don’t have a solid team right now and we can’t just piece our team together with crossing our fingers and hoping a player works out and double crossing our toes and praying hard and tebowing. No you need talent and lots of it. In as many areas as possible. Yes a good qb can elevate the talent around him. You just don’t see rookies elevate the talent around them a lot. I’d much rather rebuild like Cincy did then rebuild how Carolina did cincy made the playoffs carolina didn’t

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by jbh1190 on Jan 24, 2012 1:17 PM EST up reply actions  

it is not crossing your fingers or tebowing if you have in a plan and good scouting

And the Redskins are in great shape as far as the salary Cap is concerned and i know the skins have abused Free Agency before but look at last years FA ’s Coefield, Bowen, Atogwe, Josh wilson, Chester brought in Hightower via trade all of these guys was productive except Atogwe (due to injury but played well when he was playing)

So if they can get a starting G, Wr, and maybe a nickel CB they will be ok and able to compete IMO

by Highspeed30 on Jan 24, 2012 1:33 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm not arguing with you we need lots of players

I just prefer to get kids outta college rather than getting people who want the most money they can get. I’m tired of being that team

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by jbh1190 on Jan 24, 2012 1:41 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree but i am not advocating getting older overpriced FA

I think you can do both through FA and in the draft they got 5 starters from FA last season none of them was paid too much IMO and they have years left.
The best teams seem to get the most out of the draft from rds 3-7 cause those are the guys that will provide some depth and can eventually be starters so when a guy like Bowen or coefield is not productive anymore near the end of his contract you can plug in a draft pick you been grooming to take over like a Chris Nield

by Highspeed30 on Jan 24, 2012 1:48 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree 100%

But eventually this can be done just by drafting if we keep all of our picks and draft well. I’m just so piss scared of both trading away picks and getting FAs

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by jbh1190 on Jan 24, 2012 1:51 PM EST up reply actions  

this is what you need to be so cautious of...
I’m just so piss scared

If the FO has demonstrated that they know what they are doing, which they have after last years draft, then there is not reason to be scared if they trade up / sign some FAs.

by jgibbsfan1 on Jan 24, 2012 2:06 PM EST up reply actions  

oh no I uderstand that and I fully trust shanny

but for the time being I can tell you or whoever else I think your Idea is bad until Shan-Allen says were doing it then I’ll say wow what a good idea (if it works)

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by jbh1190 on Jan 24, 2012 2:08 PM EST up reply actions  

nice...

with that strategy, you are never wrong….

Not a bad strategy….

by jgibbsfan1 on Jan 24, 2012 3:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Well I'm arguing because me personally I think Griffin will BUST

but if shan-allen thinks he’s good then I trust my main men in DC. and will not argue with them.

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by jbh1190 on Jan 24, 2012 3:32 PM EST up reply actions  

it was posted below
He has a very very very high potential which I love, but we have a problem in DC in over glorifying everything and everybody. And I could be totally wrong. The great Parks once said RG3

high celing low floor
meaning he can be great or awful, I’d much rather take a guy thats going to fall inbetween. Or a guy like Luck who has a high celing and a pretty high floor.
Secondly RG3 is small he looks very frail, when it comes time for measurables I doubt he will be listed at 6’ let alone 6’ 1". Another red flag in QBs

Thirdly the style he plays (like i eluded to above) makes him injury prone (because of his frail stature) what olympic sprinter have you ever seen and though wow that guy looks tough? No they look like a cheetah fast and awesome but a male lion will rip it to shreds. Even if he is great he’ll do us no good being injured every year.

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by jbh1190 on Jan 24, 2012 4:14 PM EST up reply actions  

I am still able to add talent to the team even with trading up here what i can hopefully do.

1st Rd Robert Griffin III
playmaker on offense at the most important position, dual threat QB
no 2nd Rd pick if u really like someone u can move back into 2nd but no need

3rd rd Brian Quick, Jeff Fuller, or Marvin McNutt one of these Wr’s should be there

4th rd get best OL available maybe OT Andrew Datko, Levy Adcock, Brandon Mosley or C David Molk

4th Rd best CB available like Josh Norman, Or Mike Harris or TE Michael Egnew

6th Rd best ILB or S prospect

7th Rd BPA

even with a trade you will still have some picks to get some quality guys out the draft

by Highspeed30 on Jan 24, 2012 1:26 PM EST up reply actions  

You don't think we could use

A OLmen in the first or 2nd round….typically those do pan out better than 4th rounders.

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by jbh1190 on Jan 24, 2012 1:33 PM EST up reply actions  

I am not picking them to be starters this year

i am getting some depth type players on the Oline and in the secondary. after a couple years in the system and they can develop into starting players. I think that is how u draft, projecting a player in your system a few years from when u actually draft them.

example is the Giants took Jason Pierre Paul when they already had 2 starting DE’s now Paul is a starter, they seem to draft DL every year not to start but as depth like they took DT Marvin Austin last season even though he aint starting right now.

by Highspeed30 on Jan 24, 2012 1:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Thats because the Giants were already pretty competitive already

When you reach a certain level I think you have the luxury or drafting BPA. Unless you have a glaring need. We don’t we need lots of really good players right now. Shanahan doesn’t have time for progressions.

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by jbh1190 on Jan 24, 2012 1:42 PM EST up reply actions  

CBs are also best taken in early rounds

no need for another KEvin Barnes we have him and byron westbrook

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by jbh1190 on Jan 24, 2012 1:33 PM EST up reply actions  

and no 1st rounder next year.

Say we go 8-8 or 9-7 that leaves us without a player to get us over the hump We’ll be picker around 50th then

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by jbh1190 on Jan 24, 2012 1:34 PM EST up reply actions  

QB is the foundation for the offense

we are down here at 5-11 we might not be here again in a spot to move up this cheap unless we want to resign beck and have him start and go 0 for 16 next year then draft our qb. . all other parts can be added on any given year in the mid teens. qb is a very hard part to get most the time only top 5. so if the plan is to build up the offence in this draft. then we must start with qb. unless u want to trade even more parts the next year to move up for the QB.

by munson21502 on Jan 24, 2012 3:19 PM EST up reply actions  

not sure about that.

we cant really count on us having a draft as good as last years draft. even if we do. that need for a qb is still there. and we will be back further in the draft so the cost to move up will be greater. then you gotta account for the money we will have to pay for a FA qb signing then that 2nd round pick we spent on the qb in the 2nd round. you almost have to think that if the plan is to do the 2nd round qb plan that we will sign one of the top fa qbs. and that will be alot of money off the cap that could go to a good linemen and WR this year.i rather just get our qb while the gettin is good

by munson21502 on Jan 24, 2012 5:00 PM EST up reply actions  

no i'm putting my money on foles or tannehill right now

and they will take us to the promise land once we change our name and move back to DC

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by jbh1190 on Jan 24, 2012 5:02 PM EST up reply actions  

with a dome but we dont use it

we only use it for the superbowl and to psych out the other team. Are they going to use the retractable dome for the 2015 NFC Championship game or are they going to force the pampered vikings to play in the elements of Washington. It’d be a great way to force them to practice with wet balls and muddy grass and then put then close the roof. Or have them practice in a bubble and get them ready for a climate controlled game and make it rain inside

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by jbh1190 on Jan 24, 2012 5:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Minnifield is a great pick...

but I seriously doubt he’s on the board in the 3rd. I think there’s a chance his name is called on Thursday night

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by ptowny on Jan 24, 2012 1:37 PM EST up reply actions  

I think

gaffney and beck are still under contract. Does not mean they will be back, but they are not FAs. Monty is a FA, and I think his days as a redskin are over. I think we will either draft a C or end up signing Myers to replace him. Licht and Chester could back up at C

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by Redskin44 on Jan 24, 2012 12:12 PM EST reply actions  

Every upcoming free agent can be upgraded in free agency

with the exception of tight end and strong saftey. we can find younger replacements for most of our holes . forget gafney his production is tied to rex being his college qb and knowing how he runs his routes i could see his catches going down with a new qb .we have hankerson and there are way better WR in the final years of there contracts . i would prefer to draft a center but OL can also be upgradded in free agency . I like tim hightower but if its between him and matt forte or ray rice bye bye timmy.

by taylor21 on Jan 24, 2012 12:26 PM EST reply actions  

This logic worries me

is it not this that put us in a 20 year hole?

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by jbh1190 on Jan 24, 2012 12:29 PM EST up reply actions  

replacing older vets with younger or better free agents worries you?

im not saying go after the biggest names im just saying other then the landry and fred everybody else could be replaced the replacements cant be any worse than what we saw last year. as far as running back im not sold that helu and royster can last 16 games with the full time load and ray rice or forte would be an upgrade over hightower but shanny knows how to find guys in the draft so no i dont think either ine would be on the redskins radar

by taylor21 on Jan 24, 2012 1:33 PM EST up reply actions  

No and i agree that neither will be on their radar

but trying to build a free agent team scares me. Players we have found look good because they excel in a certain system. I’d rather get 1 or 2 mid to high grade FA then 4 high grade FA because of the system clashes. Look at philly this year it didn’t work out for them either. No sense in trying it over again it just doesn’t work.

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by jbh1190 on Jan 24, 2012 1:37 PM EST up reply actions  

but it worked for us

philly did what we use to do and go after all the biggest names
what we did was find guys that actually want to play football every free agent last year not only played good but also stayed healthy other than atogwe I have faith in bruce and shanny to bring the right kind of guys in thats why i am in the trade up club because at least with free agents you have seen some kind of production from them drafting 4-7 might not even produce 1 starter quality depth maybe but that also can be found in free agency as well as undrafted rookies

by taylor21 on Jan 24, 2012 1:48 PM EST up reply actions  

but thats the exact reason I don't want to trade up because then we lose a 1 next year a 2 and a 3 this year
drafting 4-7 might not even produce 1 starter quality depth

Rounds 1 through 3 should all be starters by the end of year 2 in my opinon. Shan-Allen made 1-4 this year starters by the end of their Rookie season (kinda if you include hankerson as a starter for 1 game and then he gets hurt)

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by jbh1190 on Jan 24, 2012 1:54 PM EST up reply actions  

if we trade up and we accomplish one of theses 3 things it will be well worth it

1) make the playoffs
2) sweep the division even at 6-10
3) not loose at home
the only time people complain about overpaying is when the quater back is a bust . but nobodys says anything about chicago overpaying for cutler or jets trading for sanchez the first two years when they were in the afc championship but when have the redskins ever taken a chance on a top qb we have done everything else from drafting 2nd tier guys to signing free agents nothing has worked

by taylor21 on Jan 24, 2012 2:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Jets fans beg to differ
but nobodys says anything about chicago overpaying for cutler or jets trading for sanchez

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by jbh1190 on Jan 24, 2012 2:16 PM EST up reply actions  

To add on. I'll take a Flacco anyday

I’d take a game manager if you know you can win with (Tannehill, Foles) and get him a great WR (AJ Green, See cincy and Andy Dalton) rather than a mike vick game changing style changing qb. It’s my opinion that hype has moved Griffin up so far. We all wanted Luck then Barkley (fa*ck that kid btw) and now its RG3…..You really only want RG3 because you were conditioned to do so, do you remember that dreadful feeling you had when barkley went back?

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by jbh1190 on Jan 24, 2012 2:21 PM EST up reply actions  

i always wanted rg3 over barkley

as scared as i am of him getting hurt i am more scared of the sure thing USC quaterbacks as we have seen over the past few seasons the game doesnt come as easy to them at this level without the best talent around them. i like how you shortend my sentence about the jets not complaing until they didnt make the championship this year but you get my point we have triedand failed to become a winning franchise in every other way besides drafting a top guy at qb so thats why i am ready to try something new

by taylor21 on Jan 24, 2012 2:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Everybody wanted Andrew Luck, but I liked RG3 over Barkley

I think that Griffin has a stronger arm, better accuracy, better deep ball, more mobile, and a high character guy graduated early and did more with less talent around him (he did not have Matt Kalil blocking his blindside) and if Barkley and RG3 was both on the board this year i would take Griffin III just one man’s opinion

Of course i had to see the whole college football season cause in the preseason Landry Jones was 2nd rated QB and Barkley was 3rd but RG3 proved what he can do again he had a good 2010 and got better in 2011

by Highspeed30 on Jan 24, 2012 2:33 PM EST up reply actions  

this is the way i see it, if you get a 2nd tier guy like Tannehill,Foles (Ramsey, Campbell)

the odds say that these 2nd teir guys will not be “the franchise Guy” they will be a average starter at best, so you end up using a 2nd rd pick on one of these guys like Carolina did with Jimmy Clausen and you see that they will not work out for you, then next season you will probably look to use your 1st rd pick on a QB like Barkley, Jones, or Bray. now if you have a half way decent year and go 7-9 or 8-8 you will be picking anywhere from 11-15 so you may end up having to trade up into the top ten to get one of these guys. lets say you move up from pick 13 to say pick 7 to get one of these guys it will cost u a minimun of 2013 2nd and 4th pick to move up and get a guy that is not rated as high as Luck or RG3 is rated this year.

so you ended up using all these picks to solve QB problem
2012 2nd rd pick Fole,Tannehill(maybe have to use 2012 3rd pick to move up)
most likely they wont be the answer at QB so in 2013 you spend additional picks on QB 2013 1st rd pick (porbably will have to trade up min 2nd and 4th rd pick) so in all u spent 2012 2nd(maybe 3rd) 2013 1st and min 2nd and 4th to solve a QB problem that u could have traded up and spent a lil less with RG3

2012 1st,2nd and 2013 1st and 3rd or 4th for RG3
vs
2012 2nd (maybe 3rd if u need to move up) 2013 1st and (2nd and 4th cause you will have to move up to get one of the top guys)<<<<< is on the cheap side could cost more

by Highspeed30 on Jan 24, 2012 2:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Guess what Highspeed?
the odds say that these 2nd teir guys will not be "the franchise Guy" they will be a average starter at best

If you look at every 1st round QB drafted since 1990, you get the following results:

40% were busts
30% were mediocre
20% were good
10% were elite

So your logic also applied to 1st rounders as well, as around 70% of them end up being mediocre game managers at best.

by StephanHart on Jan 24, 2012 2:32 PM EST up reply actions  

once again sad

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by jbh1190 on Jan 24, 2012 2:34 PM EST up reply actions  

do you have Eli as (Eli)te

or Good?

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by jbh1190 on Jan 24, 2012 2:35 PM EST up reply actions  

I already went over that last week in a post about the Top 2 QB prospects in any draft year

these was the 2nd tier guys like Tannehill, Foles Weeden from 2001 to 2010 and you go ahead and pick one you want as your franchise QB

Jimmy Clausen Rd 2, Colt McCoy Rd 3, Mike Kafka Rd 4
Josh Freeman Rd 1 # 17th, Pat White(not a qb in nfl) Rd 2, Stephen McGee Rd 4
Brian Brohm Rd 2, Chad Henne Rd 2, Kevin O’Connell Rd 3
Kevin Kolb Rd 2, John Beck Rd 2, Drew Stanton Rd 2, Trent Edwards Rd 3
Kellen Clemens Rd 2, Tarvaris Jackson Rd 2, Charlie Whitehurst Rd 3
Jason Campbell Rd 1 #25, Charlie Frye, Andrew Walter ,David Greene Rd 3, Kyle Orton, Stefan LeFors Rd4
J.P Losman Rd 1 #22, Matt Schaub Rd 3, Luke McCown Rd 4
Kyle Boller Rd 1 #19, Rex Grossman Rd 1 #22, Dave Ragone Rd 3, Chris Simms Rd 3, Seneca Wallace Rd 4
Patrick Ramsey Rd 1 #32, Josh McCown Rd 3, David Garrard Rd 4, Rohan Davey Rd 4
Quincy Carter Rd 2, Marques Tuiasosopo Rd 2, Chris Weinke Rd 4, Jesse Palmer Rd 4

by Highspeed30 on Jan 24, 2012 2:52 PM EST up reply actions  

only 2 guy out of 37 would i consider good QB's

2004 Matt Schaub and 2009 Josh Freeman. I will pass on 2nd tier guys and take my chances with one of the top 2 QB prospects

by Highspeed30 on Jan 24, 2012 2:55 PM EST up reply actions  

I really think that RG3 isn't a top prospect

if he has a Matt Ryan rookie year I will take that back but I really think RG3 is going to be a bust, he’s not even comparable to anyone in the NFL. Tebow…no Vince Young…no Mike Vick…not really Randal Cunningham is the closest but he’s not that big.

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by jbh1190 on Jan 24, 2012 3:00 PM EST up reply actions  

thats because most of those quaterbacks

have had to make plays with their feet to make up for accuracey issues, but he can run and doesnt as much as those guys his numbers are nearly identical to lucks. nieher is a sure thing .alex smith was a sure thing like luck and it took him 7 years. Sam bradford was a sure thing like luck and had a better year in 08 than luck or rg3 have ever had but how has that translated to the NFL. its a crap shot either way but its rare that guys with his skill set are at the top of the board hopefully if we do draft him he can turn into a guy future rookies are compaired to

by taylor21 on Jan 24, 2012 3:18 PM EST up reply actions  

I just think your overvauling RG3

its a team game. RG3 is not “baby jesus” he’s Robert Griffin III QB for Baylor heisman trophy winner. I think we need to focus on the team part rather than trading away for someone like him. If he falls to us i’d take him if not oh well

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by jbh1190 on Jan 24, 2012 3:22 PM EST up reply actions  

I respectfully disagree

If I may ask what exactly do you not like about him.
we have been focusing on the team and ignoring the quaterback position for a while now we have never drafted a top guy everything else we have tried
i would make this same argument for luck if people thought rg3 was the top qb and we had a chance to get him but just not for barkley

by taylor21 on Jan 24, 2012 3:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Just the type of player he is

He has a very very very high potential which I love, but we have a problem in DC in over glorifying everything and everybody. And I could be totally wrong. The great Parks once said RG3

high celing low floor
meaning he can be great or awful, I’d much rather take a guy thats going to fall inbetween. Or a guy like Luck who has a high celing and a pretty high floor.

Secondly RG3 is small he looks very frail, when it comes time for measurables I doubt he will be listed at 6’ let alone 6’ 1". Another red flag in QBs

Thirdly the style he plays (like i eluded to above) makes him injury prone (because of his frail stature) what olympic sprinter have you ever seen and though wow that guy looks tough? No they look like a cheetah fast and awesome but a male lion will rip it to shreds. Even if he is great he’ll do us no good being injured every year.

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by jbh1190 on Jan 24, 2012 3:38 PM EST up reply actions  

every rookie can get hurt

thats not a reason not to draft a guy especially if he had 161 carries and lasted the whole season the fact that he only had 640 yards rushing compaerd to 4000 yards passing means he is not a run first guy who can throw but a throw first guy that can run . brees proves its not about hight as long as your over 5"10

by taylor21 on Jan 24, 2012 4:18 PM EST up reply actions  

brees is the exception to the rule not the rule

much like brady is the exception to the 6th round rule not the rule

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by jbh1190 on Jan 24, 2012 4:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Robert Griffin III is a legit 6'2" 220lbs

i am looking for a photo of Griffin and Andrew Luck standing side by side and he is close to Luck.

As far as the style he play you have to watch a few of his games to see he is not a vick clone or a running type of Qb, he is very accurate completed 72.3% of his passes and a lot of them long down field type of throws, the best deep ball in the nation, but he can scramble if he need to, most of his rush yards was called run plays not just make 2 reads and take off type of runs.

And i am going to give you a good comparison for RG3 except he is a lil bigger but he reminds me of the way Charlie Ward looked when he was @ Florida State one of the best college football QB’s of all time and i think he would have done great in the NFL but he played B-ball instead but Charlie could kill you from the pocket but if all else failed he could run it for a first.

BTW Cam Newton did not truly have a comparison last year as well, did u like Cam as a QB prospect last season?

by Highspeed30 on Jan 24, 2012 4:40 PM EST up reply actions  

No i hated Cam

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by jbh1190 on Jan 24, 2012 4:44 PM EST up reply actions  

And RG3 is rated higher than Cam

cause he is way more polished QB from the pocket. and you did not like Cam cause of his running ability?? it seems like you dont like Mobile QB’s

by Highspeed30 on Jan 24, 2012 5:08 PM EST up reply actions  

No i really don't

How many have won a superbowl?

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by jbh1190 on Jan 24, 2012 5:10 PM EST up reply actions  

But i do respect the fact that you dont want to trade up is cause you think he will be a bust

cause a lot of people feel like you do but try to rationalize why it is not a good idea to get a guy with RG3’s skill set

by Highspeed30 on Jan 24, 2012 6:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Cause if most people thought he was the next Steve Young i dont think anybody would be against trading up to get him

even if most could get Andrew Luck for the same deal as RG3 they would jump at that chance I believe.

by Highspeed30 on Jan 24, 2012 6:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Steve Young

At the time nobody thought Steve Young was the next Steve Young. You guys are all ridiciulous. We all have our opinions and very few of us will be right. Either Shanahan getsit right this year or after next season we are looking for a new coach, and a new QB.

by DC Saviour on Jan 26, 2012 10:55 AM EST up reply actions  

its honestly not that I don't like his skill set

I know it sounds weird but I’ve seen Vince Young and Troy Smith Michael Vick, Tim Tebow, and so on i’m just worried about what he’ll do. I know he is way better than those guys but if you give him a mold I think he’s more so of that mold than of the elite passer mold. But hey if he lights it up game one as a Redskin you can bet your ass that I’ll buy his jersey, and probably a replica one not a sticky iron on one either.

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by jbh1190 on Jan 25, 2012 7:38 AM EST up reply actions  

here from docsports.com

Super Bowl 1. Bart Starr (MVP), 2 TDs
Super Bowl 2. Bart Starr (MVP), 1 TD
Super Bowl 3. Joe Namath (MVP), 0 TDs
Super Bowl 4. Len Dawson (MVP), 1 TD
Super Bowl 5. John Unitas (Chuck Howley), 1 TD
Super Bowl 6. Roger Staubach (MVP), 2 TDs
Super Bowl 7. Bob Griese (Jake Scott), 1 TD
Super Bowl 8. Bob Griese (Larry Csonka), 0 TDs
Super Bowl 9. Terry Bradshaw (Franco Harris), 1 TD
Super Bowl 10. Terry Bradshaw (Lynn Swann), 2 TDs
Super Bowl 11. Ken Stabler (Fred Biletnikoff), 1 TD
Super Bowl 12. Roger Staubach (Harvey Martin & Randy White), 0 TDs
Super Bowl 13. Terry Bradshaw (MVP), 4 TDs
Super Bowl 14. Terry Bradshaw (MVP), 2 TDs
Super Bowl 15. Jim Plunkett (MVP), 3 TDs
Super Bowl 16. Joe Montana (MVP), 1 TD
Super Bowl 17. Joe Theismann (John Riggins), 2 TDs,
Super Bowl 18. Jim Plunkett (Marcus Allen), 1 TD
Super Bowl 19. Joe Montana (MVP), 3 TDs
Super Bowl 20. Jim McMahon (Richard Dent), 0 TDs
Super Bowl 21. Phil Simms (MVP), 3 TDs
Super Bowl 22. Doug Williams (MVP), 4 TDs
Super Bowl 23. Joe Montana (Jerry Rice), 2 TDs
Super Bowl 24. Joe Montana (MVP), 5 TDs
Super Bowl 25. Jeff Hostetler (Ottis Anderson), 1 TD
Super Bowl 26. Mark Rypien (MVP), 2 TDs
Super Bowl 27. Troy Aikman (MVP), 4 TDs
Super Bowl 28. Troy Aikman (Emmitt Smith), O TDs
Super Bowl 29. Steve Young (MVP), 6 TDs
Super Bowl 30. Troy Aikman (Larry Brown), 1 TD
Super Bowl 31. Brett Favre (Desmond Howard), 2 TDs
Super Bowl 32. John Elway (Terrell Davis), 0 TDs
Super Bowl 33. John Elway (MVP), 1 TD
Super Bowl 34. Kurt Warner (MVP), 2 TDs
Super Bowl 35. Trent Dilfer (Ray Lewis), 1 TD
Super Bowl 36. Tom Brady (MVP), 1 TD
Super Bowl 37. Brad Johnson (Dexter Jackson), 2 TDs
Super Bowl 38. Tom Brady (MVP), 3 TDs
Super Bowl 39. Tom Brady (Deion Branch), 2 TDs
Super Bowl 40. Ben Roethlisberger (Hines Ward), 0 TDs
Super Bowl 41. Peyton Manning (MVP), 1 TD
Super Bowl 42. Eli Manning (MVP), 2 TDs
Super Bowl 43: Ben Roethlisberger (Santonio Holmes), 1 TD
Super Bowl 44: Drew Brees (MVP), 2 TDs

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by jbh1190 on Jan 24, 2012 5:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Steve Young, John Elway, Jeff Hostetler, Ben Rothlisberger, Roger Staubach, were all mobile QB’s.

by Highspeed30 on Jan 24, 2012 5:47 PM EST up reply actions  

if your so based on stats

will you please look at Troy Smith

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by jbh1190 on Jan 24, 2012 4:25 PM EST up reply actions  

or colt brennan

You have a man boner for RG3 I don’t. I’ll admit I had one for Jake Locker, boners don’t always do you good man, yeah it feels good once you get it but then it sucks once you find out the one you had it for is an ugly pig when you wake up in the morning.

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by jbh1190 on Jan 24, 2012 4:27 PM EST up reply actions  

And you found your measurement of "bust" where?

What are you using to define a bust? Winning seasons, playoffs, SB’s? QB is a very situational position and the destination of the player determines a lot of how they pan out. Bust is defined, very differently. Do you consider Flacco a bust, mediocre or elite?

by Bryan Black on Jan 24, 2012 5:31 PM EST via Android app up reply actions  

they are not

going after rice or forte

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by Redskin44 on Jan 24, 2012 1:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Pro Football focus
Montgomery was easily the Redskins best lineman as he thrived in Mike Shanahan’s zone blocking scheme. He didn’t allow a sack all year and opened up some significant holes for Washington’s backs. With his contract expired, the Redskins will need to find a way to keep the best C in the division around.

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by jbh1190 on Jan 24, 2012 4:00 PM EST reply actions  

Monty NEEDS to be resigned

& so does Fletcher, I`m hoping they get new deals in the next month. So PLEASE Shanallan GET IT DONE ASAP.

by mo19678 on Jan 24, 2012 8:49 PM EST up reply actions  

I could not disagree more

Monty is not a starting caliber C

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by Redskin44 on Jan 25, 2012 11:20 AM EST up reply actions  

O-line isn't too hard.

Resign Monty, draft a RT 2nd round (Zebrie Sanders falls in that range) and a guard in the fourth. Sign one of the FA guards. Keep the guys that started last year as backups/depth. Line goes TW, Licht/FA/rookie, Monty, FA/rookie, Sanders/other rookie. That line has a chance to grow together for seasons to come.

First round, trade back for additional 2nd. Take Foles in late first, best WR on the board with other 2nd pick. If we can get another 3rd or 4th out of trading back, another guard/RT prospect.

Sign Flynn or Orton to a reasonable contract and expect them to start, dump Gross Beckman. Foles has time to learn.

Expectation? Challenge for a wild card and probably fall short at the end of the season. Record within two games of .500

by tuckwell on Jan 24, 2012 4:26 PM EST via iPhone app reply actions  

keep and cut

cut both qbs , 31 turnovers is way too much
yes resign hightower
gafney is signed and he costs a mere 2.6 mil.
have to keep moss because of a 4.3 mil cap hit
cut AA
cooley cost 6.3 to keep 4.16 to release , in 2013 his release fee is 1.3 so keep him till 2013
hall 6.8 to keep 600,000 to release, in 2013 it is 8.3 mil to keep , 300000 to release . in 2014 he will be owed 24 mil . the time to cut hall is fast approaching
j brown , 4.5 to keep 5.2 to release so we keep him

DO NOT renegotiate these contracts . we dont need future dead cap space

by skinsdad62 on Jan 24, 2012 8:13 PM EST reply actions  

wow you got great info there....what site do you use?

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by jbh1190 on Jan 25, 2012 7:39 AM EST up reply actions  

i used

www.thewarpath.net-warpathredskinscap.htm

it tells all release fees, contracts , years everything , take a look

by skinsdad62 on Jan 27, 2012 4:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Don't forget about Crompton!!!!!

he’s our savior!!!! hahaha

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by ptowny on Jan 25, 2012 7:44 AM EST up reply actions  

Possible

But only if we get Carr in free agency from the Chiefs. If we miss out on him and get Bowe, change the WR to a DB and we are in agreement. One or the other will come our way, because the Chiefs will not be able to afford both.

Plus, there are some decent (not great) O-linemen available in free agency and I think we will pick up one, possibly 2. Montgomery is not under contract and Kory returning to form after the injury is uncertain as some have said it takes between 1 1/2 to 2 years to fully recover. He is too much of a question mark. Wewill pick up 1 starter in free agency.

A center/guard and tackle will be picked in the first 4 rounds; remember we have 2 4th round picks.

We will use the first 2 picks on a DB and QB.

The next 3 picks will be a WR, center/guard, and tackle (in whichever order is best). Or, we will pick up a middle linebacker with one of these.

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