NFC east Dan Graziano could Manning make Sense for Redskins
ESPNs NFC east blogger Dan Graziano seems to think
Manning could make sense for Redskins
The primary goal, and the Washington Redskins' biggest need, is a franchise quarterback. Not a capable quarterback. They have one of those, but Rex Grossman throws too many interceptions. They need to move on from him and upgrade for 2012. So the hunt is on for the franchise quarterback.
The problem is that everybody wants a franchise quarterback, and although there are 32 NFL teams in the world, the number of people who fit the description "franchise quarterback" is something less than 32.
"Not everybody understands that," Redskins coach Mike Shanahan told me in an interview in his Ashburn, Va., office last month.
I don't think Shanahan knows what he's going to do about quarterback for next season, because I don't think he knows yet what he can do. The Redskins are picking No. 6 in the first round of this year's draft. A trade-up to No. 1 to get Andrew Luck looks impossible, because the Indianapolis Colts seem intent on taking him. And it appears as though a team might have to trade as high as No. 2 to get Baylor's Robert Griffin III. Those are the two quarterbacks in this year's draft who appear fit for the "franchise" label. Given the competition sure to come from the Browns, Dolphins and others in the trade-up sweepstakes, the price might be too high. It's not, after all, as though the Redskins have no other needs and can just trade their whole draft for a quarterback.
So, although it remains possible that they would move up, Redskins fans must brace for the likelihood that the team will get neither Luck nor Griffin and would therefore go into 2012 with some non-franchise quarterback -- and therefore with their biggest need still unfilled. Sure, Ryan Tannehill or Nick Foles or Brandon Weeden could be available in a later round and end up being the guy. But if the Redskins come away with one of those players, there's no way to know for sure whether (a) he'll be ready to play in 2012 or (b) he's the long-term answer.
ESPN's Mel Kiper addressed a lot of these issues on a conference call that was well-attended by Washington media on Thursday. On the same call, Mel said that he'd heard the Redskins didn't have a high opinion of Matt Flynn, the Packers' backup quarterback who's likely to be a free agent, and that it was possible they could pursue Colts veteran and future Hall of Famer Peyton Manning. This is an idea I think they should seriously consider.
Geoff Burke/US PresswireRex Grossman threw 16 TD passes and 20 interceptions for the Redskins last season.
Some disclaimers, of course: First, Manning has to prove he's healthy enough to play. The neck injury that cost him the 2011 season is the main reason the Colts are in a position to pick Luck, and why the Colts are almost certain to let Manning walk rather than pay him a $28 million roster bonus that's due March 8. Rob Lowe tweeted the other day that he'd heard Manning was planning to retire, and although it's been awhile since Rob Lowe broke a big NFL story, you can't rule out the possibility that Manning would hang it up at age 35 with a bum neck.
But assuming Manning wants to play and can prove that he's healthy enough to sign, the Redskins need to keep this alive as a possible 2012 solution.
The arguments against it don't make a lot of sense. The Redskins wouldn't have to give up picks or players for Manning -- he'll be cut before the trading season even opens. The Colts won't trade him because they can't. And they'll surely release him rather than pay him that $28 million bonus plus his salary and commit $23 million or so to Luck. That's a little bit too much money tied up in one position for a team that just went 2-14. So it'd just be about money for the Redskins, and likely not very much. There are legitimate questions about whether Manning would want to play in Washington, where the Redskins have had three straight losing seasons, but if you can get him a No. 1 wide receiver and add a big offensive line piece, it becomes an easier sell.
And yes, he's 35 and clearly not the long-term answer. But this wouldn't be Donovan McNabb all over again. Shanahan's problem with McNabb wasn't McNabb's inability to fit into the offense -- it was McNabb's unwillingness to put in the work during the week to prepare for the games. I'm not aware of anything in Manning's history that hints at a similar problem, nor have I heard anything to indicate he's a problem around younger players. I don't think bringing Manning in to play quarterback for a year or two would stunt the growth of the rest of the team. Might even help it.
All of this assumes that the Redskins can't find their "franchise" guy this offseason, which is very possible since they don't grow on trees. There's no reason to force it and build around a quarterback you don't believe is the long-term answer. The Redskins can spend their picks and money on receivers and linemen and defensive backs, and maybe a project quarterback who could sit behind Manning for a year or two and learn the trade.
A lot would have to happen yet for this to become a real possibility, but it surely could. And if it does, it's one that Shanahan and the Redskins shouldn't rule out.
I don`t mind if we do take manning, as long as his neck is better ( he was throwing to WRs in Dec) So if we take manning that means we can use the draft to update the OL, get a QB,WR & a CB as well as other pick players that could add depth to the squad. Personly i don`t really care as there`s been so many posts linking every QB to washington & it has become BORING.... None of us really know who Mike wants to be his QB. So we will have to be patient & wait till the draft in april before we know who will be our new QB, As long as it is`nt grossman or beck i`ll be happy. So lets be happy & hope we have the kind of draft we had last year
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Just to add the above story is taken from ESPNs NFC east blog by Dan Graziano
& the bottom paragragh is my own, I just want a QB who can help us turn things around & make us a team who is no longer the laughing stock of the NFC East.
I would rather have a healthy Manning over Flynn or one of the 2nd tier QB's
but at the end of the day i would make the move for RG3, cause i know Luck is off limits. and if i did get a healthy Manning i would then entertain trading down to try and land a 1st rd pick next year so i could trade up if need be to grab a QB, but i would not waste a early pick on any of the 2nd tier scrubs this season but take a flier on a QB in the 6th
Archie Manning would never let his sons play in the same division
Enough with these pointless threads already
I don't think Archie is going to decide
Peyton is a strong man, and will play where he wants. And if he is healthy, Peyton could be good for three more years. One thing though – I don’t think he will come cheap. He has too much pride to accept a low salary.
Last time I checked Peyton is a grown as man
by mr.snyderhireme on Jan 20, 2012 11:06 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
So was Eli when he was drafted by San Diego
and Archie was against SD drafting his son. We all know how this story ended…
Good try though
by Obey on Jan 21, 2012 12:14 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I don't find the comparison of Eli at 21/22...
to Peyton right now to hold any value whatsoever.
If Peyton wanted to play in Washington (big “if”), do you think he’d back away because his dad said “I don’t want you playing against Eli?” I don’t.
When defining “Grown ass man,” there’s a big difference between 22 and 35, and probably just as big a difference between Eli and Peyton.
"Dominant" is an adjective.
"Dominate" is a verb.
We'll work on "Dominance" once we get the first two figured out.
Just what Archie wants for his kids/family...
Both of his son’s knocking each other out of the playoffs for the next 3-4 years and all the media hype and negative hype why Payton is better then Eli and Eli can’t do this like his brother Payton.
I guess you didn’t watch the “Manning Bowl” in 2010. It was clear how uncomfortable the whole family was…Why would any son not ask or take advice from their father, crazy to think that, I know…
Clear as day…it’s not happening so no need to keep starting these pointless threads.
Guess I just see Peyton as more cutthroat than you do.
Was Archie uncomfortable when they played? Definitely. Momma Manning? Duh. Cooper. Sure. Eli? Maybe. I just don’t think Peyton cared that much. I think he’s a competitor who just wants to win. If he thought Washington was the best place to do that (it’s probably not), I think he’d play here.
I totally agree that he’d consider advice from his father. I also don’t think Peyton’s the kind of guy who lets his father make decisions for him, the way a young Eli probably did. That was really my point.
I agree that the likelihood of Peyton coming to DC is very low.
I did watch Manning Bowl 2010, and I didn’t start this “pointless” thread. To use your phrase: “Good try, though.”
"Dominant" is an adjective.
"Dominate" is a verb.
We'll work on "Dominance" once we get the first two figured out.
On my side of this particular fence...
Peyton makes his own decisions. Feel like I made that one pretty clear. You’re on the other side, and that’s okay with me.
Not sure which fence you’re talking about, but I’d be glad to tell you which side of any given fence I’m on.
"Dominant" is an adjective.
"Dominate" is a verb.
We'll work on "Dominance" once we get the first two figured out.
what's pointless
is listening to a guy who claims he knows Archie Manning’s thoughts on the matter.
I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy.
Peyton and Archie Manning's mind-reader are you?
I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy.
Wait. Are you freaking kidding me?
If Peyton’s healthy it means that we can trade our over-performers with limited talent and kick the youth movement into overdrive. Manning will make all our backups look like studs. We can swap them for legit studs in the draft. And we can always pick Barkley next year.
by horatius on Jan 20, 2012 9:59 PM EST via mobile reply actions
hell yes!!
Out of all the QB talk,trade,debate ,this is the one that makes the most since moving forward.A HEALTHY Manning,on this offense would have at least won 4 more games for us this year.His experience and the way he reads defenses ,and with his quick release of the ball would help every offensive position on the field immediately!To me our QB grade this season was a D+,a healthy Peyton would be a B+.As far as the draft goes,signing him would give us flexibility.Trade down,or trade for next years draft,or stay put and pick the best player.
Really? B+?
If you’re assuming he’s fully healthy (a big assumption, but that was the scenario you set up), I don’t know how Peyton’s anything less than an A+.
"Dominant" is an adjective.
"Dominate" is a verb.
We'll work on "Dominance" once we get the first two figured out.
How many times have we gone down this road before?
He will come here and tarnish his image and fail…I don’t want to even chance it
by Bryan Black on Jan 21, 2012 2:21 AM EST via Android app reply actions
Guys
every blogger out there is going to tie the biggest names to the Redskins……….just the way things work. They have the best chance of getting it right in their minds, based solely on our past. If people are smart enough to simply look at the new direction this team is heading, they will see that neither Manning, Flynn, or any other big name QB already in the league is not coming here.
We ALL now know we are in a rebuild. A 36 year old vet with serious injury, or a 4 year guy with two NFL starts, who will command over 10 mil a year, are not in our plans.
Bank on it.
As always, if it were to happen, I’ll be glad to eat my plate of crow in from of you all.
Crying Lion
YEP ANOTHER PAY DAY FOR A WASHED UP QB TO COME IN RETIRE RICH ON US.
Just what our team needs , take ONE STEP FOWARD AND TWO STEPS BACK . Are you freakin kidding me ? Why do you wanna hurt our team by getting a QB that has a few years left providing he does not get hurt. Then waste our teams time when we could have a young QB molding into out team and be with us for 15 years instead of getting these overpaid stop gaps which are not worth a crap and waste our cap money . We have had OVER 23 QBs IN 20 YEARS stop this stupid merry go round of wasting our money for players way past their prime , WHY should WE pay MANNING his big bonus money when he played for INDY ALL THEM YEARS ? because you know he is going to wanna get paid this money anyway . Why should we pay for maybe a few years service and GET THE DOWNSIDE VERSION OF PEYTON MANNING . This would be the biggest MISTAKE IN OUR HISTORY along with ALBERT HAYNESWORTH do you really wanna set back our TEAM likke that ?
I understand he's coming off a scary injury
But I don’t think anyone believes he’s “washed up.” Who wouldn’t want Peyton mentoring a QB for a year or two, especially if we can’t get Luck or RGIII and end up with Tannehill or Foles. Plus it would show that the Shanahan’s are willing to modify the offense for the players.
Peyton would not come here for money
It would be to show he could still play, and to burnish his legacy. I’m not sure it would be a great move to bring him here, but he could be a terrific QB for two or three years. And I’d hope that they would still draft Tannehill, Foles or Weeden (or some other QB Shanahan likes) to be groomed to take over when Manning finally leaves or is hurt.
As far as whether to go for him – it would depend on how much money he is demanding. I would not break the bank for him. I like the idea of Manning a lot more than Flynn – because Peyton is a known quantity, and Flynn is still unproven.
It wouldn't be my first choice (or my second).....
But I have been giving some thought to the idea of bringing in Peyton on a two year deal and trading back and picking up Foles as well. I am also not totally against going after Weeden, but I don’t think you include Weeden as part of the Peyton plan due to his age.
"Please don't dominate the rap, Jack, if you got nothin' new to say."-Robert Hunter
I'm going to use a lot of "IF"s here.
IF we don’t get Luck or Griffin and IF we could be reasonably sure of Peyton’s health and IF he wanted to play here and IF we could sign him for a reasonable salary allowing us to grab a top FA guard, resign London, make a couple other signings/resignings, and have money left over for our draft picks and IF the coaching staff still drafted a developmental QB prospect or made some sort of move (like trading our 1st rounder this year to get two 1st rounders next year) in an effort to target a QB they love in the 2013 class—IF all these things happened, I’d love to have Manning.
However, these are all pretty big IFs. Some are huge IFs. I’m not counting on the above scenario taking place.
"Dominant" is an adjective.
"Dominate" is a verb.
We'll work on "Dominance" once we get the first two figured out.

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