Redskins Seeking the Third Best Quarterback in 2012 Draft
by Ken Meringolo on Jan 20, 2012 9:42 AM EST
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PrintThey say you are either rebuilding or reloading.
To masterfully accomplish either one is a feat, as time and time again, teams fail to correctly identify which of these paths is the appropriate one to take. Redskins fans know all too well the fool's gold that comes when your team reloads when it should be rebuilding. The current "Rebuild That Isn't Called a Rebuild" in Washington is going well. As we beat each other up in the coming months over trade up vs. trade down strategy, we shouldn't forget that even if we stayed put in the first and second rounds, we would be getting two players inside the top 40 of this draft class. That is huge.
Granted, we have generally been mediocre enough over the years to be in a decent drafting position, but there is a new sheriff in town for this go around. A lot of people are saying, "We Trust In Bruce." Based on what we see on the field and on the sidelines, I see no reason not to embrace that this offseason. I am 100% confident that if we just made our picks in the first and second rounds, we would draft two guys who would start for us immediately. We could use two starters.
If our team wasn't in such dire, obvious, painful need of a quarterback, Bruce Allen would have safer options available to him. Our needs, however, will dictate the risk inherent in taking a quarterback when there are players still on the board that could come in and be all-stars on your team. This we know and this Bruce Allen knows.
Personally, I don't think we can afford not getting two starters out of those picks in this draft--both players have to start for us to win next year. I suppose a team might be able to keep its current second rounder in a trade up scenario, so that would technically still work. If you think you can get extra top 40 picks (in this draft and subsequent drafts) by trading down though, you increase the chances of bringing in talent capable of contributing on the field right away. That said, the need for a quarterback is inescapable.
If Bruce Allen has to pick at #6, it seems very unlikely that he would select a quarterback, as most of us assume that the top two guys will be gone. It would be incredibly likely then that he would use his high second rounder to trade up for or draft a quarterback. Of all the scenarios, this seems most probable. With other teams in better position to land the top two quarterbacks, the Redskins will be deciding who they think the next best guy is and whether he will fall to them in the second round.
The answer to that could determine what we do for the next two years. If we draft him in the second round and he falls flat on his face, it would be easier to justify burning a first rounder in 2013 for his replacement. Otherwise, you have to commit-- you know, pick out china and bedroom furniture. In the modern era, I saw a stat on ESPN that only four times has a team used back-to-back first round picks on a quarterback. If we take someone in the first round next year, we're immediately at the "move in together" stage.
Getting that pick correct will be the determining factor in how soon we go from rebuilding to reloading.
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I'm happy I'm not making this decision....
Just look at last year….everyone thought Locker and Ponder were late first round picks. Teams jumped the gun and traded up to get them VERY early.
You can never assume your QB will be there late in the first round like you are suggesting. So when is right? Who knows. Maybe we missed on a QB last year.
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Everyone also thought
Cam Newton would be there for us to draft. Personally, I think this is gonna be opposite year. I think the combine is gonna fool the five teams ahead of us into grabbing someone other than Luck. WooHoo. Let the era of Redskins Luck begin!!!!
Where do they teach you to talk like this? In some Panama City "Sailor wanna hump-hump" bar, or is it getaway day and your last shot at his whiskey? Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.
No one had Cam at #10. It got out before the draft Panthers were taking Cam.
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by Kevin Ewoldt on Jan 20, 2012 12:30 PM EST up reply actions
You're unequivocally wrong
If you challenge me, I will look up a link when I have more time. But I’m talking about this time last year, I think even the great Mel Kiper had us taking Cam at 10.
Again, I’m talking per combine mocks. Mean nothing, I know. Which is why I felt comfortable predicting Luck falls to us.
Where do they teach you to talk like this? In some Panama City "Sailor wanna hump-hump" bar, or is it getaway day and your last shot at his whiskey? Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.
your living in a Dream world Neo!
no matter what happens Luck will be chosen 1st overall
Of course
I was kidding about that. But I wasn’t wrong about EARLY predictions having us land Cam Newton.
Where do they teach you to talk like this? In some Panama City "Sailor wanna hump-hump" bar, or is it getaway day and your last shot at his whiskey? Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.
No you were absolutely right
Because I remember hoping they didn’t take him. Hindsight is always 20/20
If you really think that Andrew Luck will not be the #1 overall pick, you are truly out of your mind
by StephanHart on Jan 20, 2012 12:39 PM EST up reply actions
I am not crazy
My mother had me tested.
Where do they teach you to talk like this? In some Panama City "Sailor wanna hump-hump" bar, or is it getaway day and your last shot at his whiskey? Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.
Glad someone
Picked it up. It amazes me that every person in the world does not watch that show.
Where do they teach you to talk like this? In some Panama City "Sailor wanna hump-hump" bar, or is it getaway day and your last shot at his whiskey? Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.
Yeah, this decision is going to decide the future of Shanny and Allen
Makes sense that they waited this long to make it. I suppose they could be granted some leeway if they take a guy in the second round and he doesn’t pan out, but that would only mean they would have to double down next year and jump way up for one of the top guys coming out.
Then again, I don’t feel sorry for guys making millions and millions of dollars per year to pick a football team.
by Ken Meringolo on Jan 20, 2012 10:20 AM EST up reply actions
The Allenahan Administration rides entirely on this draft.
"By far the worst performers on the (R*dskins) are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
I meant in terms of my almighty opinion.
haha
"By far the worst performers on the (R*dskins) are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
Do I still get another year to impress you?
by Ken Meringolo on Jan 20, 2012 1:33 PM EST up reply actions
Your job is safe.
"By far the worst performers on the (R*dskins) are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
Draft Grades
Yes, but that is the decision; Reaching for a specific player where the Redskins select or select the best player based on the “Redskins” draft grades (RDG).
Did the Redskins trade back last year with Kerrigan in mind or did they trade back because they had several players with similar “RDG” and felt comfortable with selecting a player at a later position.
If I remember correctly
Shanahan said in his presser that when they traded back they had 3-4 players in mind and it would just be a matter of who is available.
As for me, all I know is that I know nothing.
*Socrates*
If we draft
A cornerback, who does he start over? I know the easy answer is D. Hall, but I’m not so sure. I feel like the coaching staff really likes Hall. I guess we’ll find out.
Where do they teach you to talk like this? In some Panama City "Sailor wanna hump-hump" bar, or is it getaway day and your last shot at his whiskey? Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.
a lot of teams run 3 WR sets for the majority of the game nowadays
so as a practical matter a nickel back is in essence a starter, albeit not in title
As for me, all I know is that I know nothing.
*Socrates*
I'd be interested to see what type of cap hit
we would take if we decided to let DHall go
When I was a kid, my father told me, "Never hit anyone in anger, unless you're absolutely sure you can get away with it." -Russell Ziskey
Not a very big one at all
Bruce restructured his contract last summer
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by Jeff Bernard on Jan 20, 2012 10:08 AM EST up reply actions
I just don't see it happening.
I really feel like they think more of D. Hall than the fanbase does.
Where do they teach you to talk like this? In some Panama City "Sailor wanna hump-hump" bar, or is it getaway day and your last shot at his whiskey? Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.
I really feel like they think more of D. Hall
Based off what?
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by Jeff Bernard on Jan 20, 2012 10:16 AM EST up reply actions
That he's a captain, never has any repercussions for his antics, and he continues to play
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by Parks Smith on Jan 20, 2012 10:30 AM EST up reply actions
Maybe
But i just see those as pragmatic steps in dealing with a veteran, diva corner. He is one of the only veteran pro bowlers on the entire team and publicly rebuking him for his antics is counterproductive. He is sadly our best cornerback and i think Haslett just knows how to treat guys like DHall. Besides which real starters on the Skins have been benched or faced repercussions for antics or play?
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by Jeff Bernard on Jan 20, 2012 10:50 AM EST up reply actions
DHall
is absolutely not our best CB. That title belongs to Josh Wilson.
DHall is actually routinely one of the worst CBs in the entire league.
http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2012/01/12/cornerbacks-a-glance-at-the-2011-numbers/
by TheDeepBall on Jan 20, 2012 12:02 PM EST up reply actions
Using statistics to judge a single player in a team sport is a terrible way to evaluate players
That being said neither DHall or Wilson scare anyone and i wouldn’t seriously try to debate the #25 CB in the league vs. the #30 CB in the league(or whatever their respective rankings are).
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by Jeff Bernard on Jan 20, 2012 1:00 PM EST up reply actions
Exactly
So many variables can go into a corner’s play. Neither Wilson or Hall are great corners, but they have two completely different styles of play. The truth is, Hall has probably single handedly WON us as many games as he’s single handedly lost us. Wilson, on the other hand, does neither.
Frankly, I would’ve liked to see them bring in D. Green to coach these guys up (he made mention of it). Mainly D. Hall though, because I feel like he actually has the skillset and athleticism to be a top notch CB. I just seriously think he doesn’t know how. All he really does is get by on his athleticism. D. Hall grew up a Redskins fan, meaning he grew up a Darrell Green fan. That’s what makes me think that Green would be one of the few guys whom Hall would put his (massive) ego aside to learn from.
Where do they teach you to talk like this? In some Panama City "Sailor wanna hump-hump" bar, or is it getaway day and your last shot at his whiskey? Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.
Steve wrote a post about it
We don’t take a hit, we save $6 million in space… kind of makes it a no-brainer because Hall certainly is not worth that salary.
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by Skins Fan '77 on Jan 20, 2012 11:20 AM EST up reply actions
d hall
Get rid of him everytime a team needs a big play they throw his way
by bigredskin40 on Jan 20, 2012 1:57 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
d hall
I take a cap hit for him he’s always getting burned.
by bigredskin40 on Jan 20, 2012 1:24 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
It is not a hit by any means… more like a tap
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by Skins Fan '77 on Jan 20, 2012 5:26 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah---Claiborne, Hall and Wilson would be a very decent secondary for us
Can someone smarter than me (sorry Kevin) tell me if I am way off base thinking Hall would be our best slot corner with Wilson as the corner opposite Claiborne?
by Ken Meringolo on Jan 20, 2012 10:24 AM EST up reply actions
That is the breakdown I had in my mind
The toughest challenge will be convincing DHall that the Slot Corner is the best position on the field
I was under the impression
that the slot corner is usually one of your more physical corners, but I could be mistaken
As for me, all I know is that I know nothing.
*Socrates*
Good thing DHall considers himself an "underrated tackler"
can someone find a gif of DHall getting trashed on a tackle to further emphasize the hilarity of my sarcastic comment?
no gif needed
I think we all remember Dehlomme. To be fair though he did make the tackle eventually.
wow gonk is a beast
both hall and cofield thought he was gonna be tackled. they couldnt have hit him there to be fair. or they woulda got 15 yard flag…
by munson21502 on Jan 20, 2012 12:59 PM EST up reply actions
Funny how nobody is calling out Cofield for his warm up jog
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by Jeff Bernard on Jan 20, 2012 1:01 PM EST up reply actions
I think everyone in that clip
with a Redskins jersey on should be embarrassed. I’m still trying to figure out Doughty’s tackling technique. Head first no arm tackle, and hope you fall in front of his legs to trip him up. But Dhall just watched it all happen.
Yea
You usually play press in the slot but then teams can align different formations to force you to back off. (trips bunch)
Still you’re right it would not be a good place for dhall to play IMO.
The Beat Box aka skins secondary.
Sounds like the definition of DHall, haha
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by Parks Smith on Jan 20, 2012 11:03 AM EST up reply actions
right
plus they’re going to be the first CB in position on running plays, which means they have to be able to fend off not only WRs, but TEs, Tackles, and pulling guards in some instances
As for me, all I know is that I know nothing.
*Socrates*
I'm not smarter than you, but I thought slot guys often covered TEs
and Hall (my favorite Redskin) is relatively small for a CB. Suggesting D’Angelo would be better staying where he is. It seems to me using our #6 pick on a CB is a huge waste. Much better to use its value to move up or down.
In my opinion (not smarter than you)
Hall wouldn’t make a good slot corner. Slot corners are usually lined up without a cushion that Hall has. I’ve felt since we signed Wilson that he would be a brilliant slot corner. So if you could bring in say a Claiborne to cover the number 1 WR (I don’t know how good Claiborne is, lots of reports say he is a good cover corner though), move Hall to the second receiver, and Wilson into the slot.
If Claiborne is truly a shutdown corner, that secondary would cause problems. With pressure from the front 7 that we can expect to generate next year, the QB isn’t going to have much time to throw. If we lock down his number 1 WR, and Wilson can lock down a slot receiver that is usually the hot read, then the QB is going to have to make a lot quicker reads and try to force throws in DHall’s direction.
Sold me
Just thought DHall’s athleticism could allow him to cover some of the league’s more wily slot receivers (guys like Welker). But I do believe Josh Wilson is a more classic fit there. I just thought that if you could get comfy with Wilson on the outside, maybe Hall could benefit more from being able to play underneath with the result being a few more interceptions.
by Ken Meringolo on Jan 20, 2012 11:51 AM EST up reply actions
We will not be picking a Conner with the #6th pick in the first round
IMHO we do not spend another high draft pick on a DB or any other Defensive player, we need offense and I don’t see corner trumping offense with the top pick in the draft. Having said that, I absolutely believe the skins use every bit of the smoke screen device to make people think we are going corner as it only helps with adding value in a trade back scenario. D. Hall may stay or go, but I think we either draft a CB in round 2/3 or sign one via FA, IF we decide we need to replace/add to our current crop of DB’s.
by 1footballguru on Jan 20, 2012 11:56 AM EST up reply actions
Slot corners are usually lined up without a cushion that Hall has
Slot corners usually always have a cusion,, as a slot WR is 90% of the time lined off of the LOS, and the CB also has the nuteral zone to worry about. Slot WR’s also run a lot of shallow routes, so off-coverage is more desirable so the CB doesn’t get picked.
Actually, I feel Wilson is a very physical CB, who is better in jam coverage. He thrives on the outside, as he uses the sideline better than any CB on our roster.
Crying Lion
They do get a slight cushion.
Because a slot receiver will often line up off the LOS as you say. But off-man isn’t desirable. Slot receivers run shallow routes as you say, so if they play off-man they will allow quick completions underneath, which when you’re trying to force pressure and quick throws, is exactly what you don’t want to happen.
Yeah
All you have to do is disrupt the timing of those quick underneath routes a fraction of a second and its pretty much over. If the qb is dumb enough to still throw the ball rex grossman style, you’ll get a pick or at least a broken up pass.
It’s a crazy job but someones gotta do it
The Beat Box aka skins secondary.
I could see a position change
before he would be let go. I agree that the coaches like him. He may be a loud mouth but if he was elected team captain it says something more than what we see from him through the media
by Bryan Black on Jan 20, 2012 11:08 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
If the Redskins stay put at number six
And there is no quarterback, they will be taking a cornerback and you can wave goodbye to Hall..he counts 6 million in space, that makes him VERY replaceable. (And no, he would be terrible as a slot corner)
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by Skins Fan '77 on Jan 20, 2012 11:23 AM EST up reply actions
not in this world
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by Jeff Bernard on Jan 20, 2012 10:09 AM EST up reply actions
Done deal!
It’s probably already done.
Peyton becomes a free agent and the Skins trade for Jeff Saturday.
f it...
ill take 3 years of shots at the playoffs with peyton as our qb for 48 million anyday. then draft our franchise qb later because unless we trade up we are not gonna get him this year…
Isn't that the exact logic the Colts have used the past three years?
Now they’re up shit’s creek without a paddle. We might be in shit’s creek, but at least we have a paddle… I say stick with the rebuild and let nothing, even the availability of a gimpy Peyton Manning, stop us.
You make a prediction like once a day and have yet to be right on any.
Your track record is worse than iH8 and washigntonwin combined, and I didn’t even think that was possible.
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by Parks Smith on Jan 20, 2012 10:31 AM EST up reply actions
ACTUALLY I SAID
Mcnabb would go to minnesota when we first got him and were did he end up at ? i said we would be 4-12 i was 1 off you said we would be 8-8 you were way off . I trade to make a bet with you on that and you had no BALLS to accept the BET remember .
by washingtonwin on Jan 20, 2012 11:52 AM EST up reply actions
PLUS
I predicted in 2009, 2010, on our record and i was right on the money so my track record is pretty good compared to yours .
by washingtonwin on Jan 20, 2012 11:56 AM EST up reply actions
whatever you say little buddy...
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by Parks Smith on Jan 20, 2012 12:25 PM EST up reply actions
TRUTH HURTS DONT IT
As said before you have no BALLS as USUAL to back up that MOUTH . Its funny you dont wanna go back and PULL UP like you usually do to try in prove someone wrong . What about when you said we will go 8-8 and i tried to get you to make a BET on it ? YOU HAVE NO BALLS AS USUAL to back up your MOUTH all talk as usual LIL BUDDY.
by washingtonwin on Jan 20, 2012 3:13 PM EST up reply actions
Not official
Center Jeff Saturday told Phil Richards of the Indianapolis Star that he’s considering retirement.
"I have my own decision to make long before I worry [about] what the Colts are going to do," said Saturday. "I’m considering not playing."
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by Parks Smith on Jan 20, 2012 10:33 AM EST up reply actions
That's fine
As long as we say goodbye 2 seconds later.
Where do they teach you to talk like this? In some Panama City "Sailor wanna hump-hump" bar, or is it getaway day and your last shot at his whiskey? Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.
by CJHutch on Jan 20, 2012 10:10 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
According to an article in The Washingtonian we already picked a QB.
I see it as more cushion for the pushin'
there is nothing but rumblings...
DO NOT BELIEVE ANYTHING YOU SEE OR HEAR!!!
by jgibbsfan1 on Jan 20, 2012 10:36 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
if you are asking me...
yes, I did, and found it to give nothing in regards to substantial information. Do I believe the FO has made a decision? I could see that, but this article gave no indication what direction that would be.
And, whomever they bring in, this fanbase will be thrilled….
Well it did pretty muchindicate it would be in the draft
Since he said “the mystery player’s name won’t be revealed until April, when the NFL draft occurs.” So to all the Peyton & Flynn fans I think you are arsed out.
From a completely un-official source
Prob just more rumors but he said that the Skins already have a trade in place with the Rams at #2. I’m not making this up but maybe he is…he said he knows some of the people that were at that party…
HTTR!
Hmmmm...
What if Indy selects RG3 and Luck slides to the Rams (who are our trading partner)… That would be amazing.
I’ve heard Irsay is still on the fence. Plus, with their new GM being an eagles alumni, perhaps he sees RG3 as the type of Qb he needs
this would be the greatest coup of all time...
ok, maybe not all time, but best case scenario in my dream world…
Parties have alcohol. People like alcohol. People like to spill secrets when drinking.
I see it as more cushion for the pushin'
Think about it. These guys are spending MILLIONS on players.
You know they make these backroom deals all the time.
I see it as more cushion for the pushin'
i'm sold!
Dude got wasted on apple tini’s and started talking football(happens all the time at my parties)
Someones getting luck….y
The Beat Box aka skins secondary.
If we can't get either of the top 2 QB
I’d rather not draft a QB till the 5th or 6th round. Stick with Rex for another year (can’t believe I’m saying this) and go for one of the top guys next year.
Ok, I'll bite
Let’s assume this inside source is deep throat and we have already picked our QB of the future, big assumption, but what the hell, I’ll play along. This could only mean 3 things:
1st) We have a trade in place with the RAMS at #2 and are planning to pick RGIII, just can’t see any scenario where the Colts pick #1 and don’t select Luck.
2nd) We have illegally tampered with another teams QB to sign as a FA, most likely Manning.
3rd) RAMS trade Bradford to the skins and select Jeff Fishers QB of the future with the #2 pick. New regimes mean new QB’s.
Analysis on scenario number 1: The cost to move up to the RAMS at #2 would most likely be our 1st, 2nd & 4th this year as well as our 1st & 3rd/ 4th next year(not both 3rd and 4th). Obviously this is a guess on my part, but I don’t think I am that far off on the compensation. Here are the reason’s why I think this is not the case, the RAMS have yet to get their best offer based on leverage, which is with about 5 minutes on the clock draft day. If they have already made a hand shake agreement with the Skins to trade the 2nd pick to the skins then that would be very stupid on their side as they have yet to determine what the value of RGIII is after combine, pro days and Free Agency. I think this scenario is unlikely and wishful thinking at best.
2nd Scenario: Skins have tampered with the Colts and have a deal in place for Manning. This may have more legs then scenario #1 as we all know that we have done this in the past, aka, Fat Albert and there are a number of rumors who have us going after Manning if he is a FA. While I can believe this option, it is still very much a MAYBE due to Manning’s health. Unless we have been given 100% confidence that his neck is healed, how can we definitively say we have our next QB. Lastly, while I would not want to sign Manning, it would fall under the Fans would be very happy category mentioned in the rumor article.
3rd Scenario: This one I can actually start to believe, but still have major doubts about it happening. Not sure what the skins would pay for Bradford in a trade, maybe just our 1st and 4th pick this year, but it can’t be that much as he has yet to prove himself capable of staying healthy and performing at a high level for more than just one year. One reason for believing this could be the case is that new coach’s/regimes mean new QB’s. Fisher could easily say to shanny/bruce, look, I have the 2nd pick and will be taking a QB with that pick, either Luck or Griffin and will be exploring trading Bradford, are you interested and if so, what would you offer for him. I think we respond with our 1st( #6) pick this year and either our 3rd/4th this year. This scenario would help Fisher acquire more picks this year, unload Bradford’s salary and allow him to start fresh with HIS guy while still staying within the top 6 picks of this years draft to pick one of the premium players. I also think this falls into the Skins fans will be ecstatic comment. Again, not sure I 100% agree with this approach, but could warm up to the idea depending on the price for the trade.
If this rumor is true, then I think scenario 3 is most likely, followed by #2 and a distant 3rd would be the 1st scenario. Given the fact the rumor is based on a April timeframe, it also gives credence to the #3 scenario as Manning would have already been released by April due to his large signing bonus due at the beginning of the league year. I also don’t think the RAMS look to trade the #2 pick this early in the offseason as their leverage is on Draft Day and we don’t yet know who may jump us in the trading game on draft day. Just my 2 cents on the big “IF” this rumor is true.
much rather have rg3 then bradford
dont think it will cost as much as u say to move to 2nd from 6th. they are better off to offer a trade to the browns. then the browns can get the best rb at 6 plus a good lineman or wrwith the falcons pick. get a wr or o-line with their 2nd and maybe another qb or a defensive guy with our second. then have our 2nd rounder in the bank next year.
what do you think it would cost to trade up to either #2 with RAMS or #4 with CLE?
I am not sure what the price to get to #2 is, just put out there what I thought it MIGHT take.
by 1footballguru on Jan 20, 2012 1:26 PM EST up reply actions
I think you are about right on the compensation on the high end that is about the most it will cost to move up to #2
To move up to the Browns pick would be something like 2012 2nd, 4th and 2013 2nd or 3rd
#3 is what......
I have been mentioning to CJHutch.
Rams Trade Bradford to the Redskins for our #6 overall, 2nd rounder, and perhaps our 1st or 2nd rounder in 2013.
That allows them to take RGIII, with #2 overall, a CB like Claiborne with #6, and then at the top of the 2nd have another 2 very early 2nds for a WR Kendall Wright or Mohamed Sanu and then OT Mike Adamsor CB Chase Minnifield in the 2nd.
The bad thing is it makes even more sense to trade with Cleveland (if they also like Bradford), and come away with #2 and #4, along with a 2nd runder or their other first and turn those first 2 into RGIII and Blackmoon or Kalil.
i would simply
sign the best free agent qb we can, flynn, or whomever and draft a qb in round 2 (foles or tannehill)
rex and beck turnrd the ball over 31 times . you cant win with that
keeping rex is spinning wheels
I think we have to pull the trigger on a quarterback this year and I am completely find with trading up if nessasary
Our position with the 6th overall pick in the draft is a golden opportunity to snag a franchise qb (rg3). Sooner or later we are going to have to pull the trigger on a quarterback and it will most likely involve trading up. Next year we may go 8-8 and drop back to the middle of the draft, which may make it harder to move up and get a qb we ob really need. At the same time our team will be 8-8 with a qb named Rex, which means we could easily end up 3-13 the next year and still asking our selves wtf we need a qb. Shanny also is not getting any younger. You do not become great in this league with out a franchise qb, you can look at the playoffs and see that. I understand that their is a great level of risk with trading up because of what you give up, but when teams face such an opportunity they have to take it. I’m tired of watching retreads play qb for the redskins. I think it is time our front office takes a chance at being great by drafting rg3, instead of only delaying the inevitable decision of drafting a qb to the next year or the next year. I think we need to face the brutal facts and draft a qb which will truly spark the rebuilding process in DC. As for taking a qb in the later rounds, I think the difference is whether you want a chance at a cam newton, Eli manning, Aaron Rodgers or would you rather have a colt McCoy. My main point is that their is a high risk with going for a guy like griffin but on the same note their is a huge reward.
It is a hard question - that's for sure.
"By far the worst performers on the (R*dskins) are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
That 6th pick is toast in my opinion.
Any number of teams will jump into that slot. No player, save Luck and Griffin, is as valuable to this team as accumulating additional quality picks. Great draft for corners, receivers, and linemen.
2nd tier quarterbacks offer plenty of upside, and can be built around.
The Allen-Shanahan blueprint was established last year with success, no reason to change course without a Francise Qb in the offing. Quantity and quality is the winning way.
Deal down, take the best of the 2nd tiers, and continue the foundation with top 120 picks.
My opinion only.
Let me add that I am tired of pussy footing around our qb problem
Instead of going with flow of the draft, let’s attack the problem and trade up to make sure we get our main man and bring pride back to DC. Like I said earlier we are only delaying the brutal facts by not taking a qb, the longer we wait then the longer we have before we see sustained success as a team. I think rebuilding can go hand to hand with the development of a qb. This is even more notable on a weekly basis as we see rookie quarterbacks find early success. We need a qb, I know we could trade back and stock up picks, but at the end up of the day we still have no answer to a question we have had since the early 90’s. I hate to say it but this league is a quarterback driven league. With out. Qb it is hard to Find success.In life the easy decision is usually the wrong decision. In the upcoming draft the easy decision would be to trade back, their is low risk in such a move. However the tough decision we be securing a qb for the next 12 years, in my opinion the right decision. I think as redskins fans we are so used to getting burned by our front office that we fear the failure and the relationship that comes along with a top qb.I think we should embrace it, plus rg3 would look dam good in burgundy and gold. Just my opinion.
does anyone else think
that even if we were able to get Luck, somehow he would suck in DC? I feel like our town is cursed.
I understand the sentiment, but I don't think we are cursed
I think the truth is that our roster has been so razor thin over the last decade, we have had zero ability to withstand even the slightest setback.
Shanny and Allen are building some quality depth. With that will come a greater margin for error/injury/etc.
by Ken Meringolo on Jan 20, 2012 2:07 PM EST up reply actions
.2012 Mock Draft (Trade with Redskins)
We can trade with you or the Brown’s
http://www.turfshowtimes.com/2012/1/19/2719680/2012-mock-draft-trade-with-redskins
I think
the Browns will trade up for our #2 spot, 2 1st round picks etc. The vikes take Kalil or Blacmon and we get the other. The only change would be if Shanny trades up and takes the two spot, and still we get Blackmon or Kalil.
I think we are looking good. If we take RG3, I would also be happy to see Sam go to you guys, cause I’m a Bradford fan more than a Rams fan.
Before this season started it was my understanding......
That Shanny was all in for Luck this year no matter the cost. It is surprising to me that we don’t seem to even consider it a possibility.
If it wasn't Peyton Manning
I would say that Luck is the pick…there is more to the Polians firing than just a better backup plan at QB this past year. We will know soon enough of their plan once that 28mil bonus is due
by Bryan Black on Jan 20, 2012 6:57 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
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