6 Stud Players in the Draft is good news for the Redskins to get RGIII
by jmpalomo on Jan 19, 2012 2:14 PM EST
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Looking at Mock Drafts I think the Redskins are going to benefit from picking in the top 6 in their pursuit to get RGIII. The line in the sand appears to be at pick #6 with what appears to be 6 absolute Studs in the draft. Any team #7 or higher is going to find a tough time moving up into the top 6, and vice versa, no team in the top 6 is going to want to drop out of the top 6.
Luck, RGIII, Blackmon, Kalil, Richardson and Claiborne appear safe going 1-6 in any order. #7 in other mock drafts are all over the place from DE to WR's.
CLEVELAND NEEDS TO SIGN MATT FLYNN
How does this benefit the Redskins? No team in the top is going to want to drop out of the top 6. If Cleveland solves their QB position by signing Flynn then the only teams the Redskins have to worry about is Minnesota and Tampa Bay. Minnesota got their Quarterback last year so I think they are out. Does Tampa Bay with a new Coach want to start with a new Quarterback? I don't think so.
My prediction: The Rams keep the #2 pick to take Jusitn Blackmon. It may be too much of a gamble to trade down because Blackmon may be gone. Minnesota stays at #3 to take Matt Kalil to solidify their Left Tackle for the next 10 years and protect Christian Ponder. Cleveland takes Trent Richardson to go with signing Matt Flynn at #5. Tampa Bay cannot pass up the chance to take a great Shutdown Corner, Morris Claiborne of LSU.
WELCOME TO DC ROBERT GRIFFIN III
(If Cleveland does not sign Matt Flynn then all bets are off)
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The fact the absolute studs are gone at #6
would benefit the redskins enormously should we choose to trade back.
jmp...
I hope Cleveland signs Flynn, but I would never give a blanket statement such as
CLEVELAND NEEDS TO SIGN MATT FLYNN
why did the steelers have to play big ben in that last game?
the pats and ravens already won. and big ben was hurt. if they sat him and lost that game we would be at 5 and they woulda been at 6… thats why i was sooo happy when the steelers lost at the hands of tim tebow.. that was pretty much my superbowl this year lol
If Cleveland signs Matt Flynn
In rams and viks select the WR and T, then Cleveland will be trading their pick to the highest bidder
When I was a kid, my father told me, "Never hit anyone in anger, unless you're absolutely sure you can get away with it." -Russell Ziskey
Not necessarily
Their offense was at its best 2 years ago when Hillis was ballin’ out of his mind. This year, their offense was terrible when he was out. I say, if they sign Flynn, they draft Richardson to relace Hillis who is a free agent.
flynn will be a dolphin next year
I dont know who he’ll play for but I heard he wanted to be a dolphin because he likes swimming and the noises they make
A fan of losers, Redskins, Wizards, Orioles, Terps, Dale Jr, America
i they trade with us
they will have 4 picks in the top 38 plus a extra 3rd rounder next year. damn wish we were that lucky.. they pretty much cant lose. if they stay put they get rg3. if they trade they can get richardson, a good wr or lineman in the first round. then get a qb in the second and another lineman.
Cleveland will probably have the best draft this year.
Even if they sign Matt Flynn, they could still draft RG3 and have him sit for a year to learn the system. Or they can pick up Trent, a Big threat receiver, and whatever other need they have. Or like munson said trade back and get our 2nd.
My Wish list
Skins sign Matt Flynn along with Cortland Finnegan CB, Carl Nicks G, Mike Nusent K, Chris Meyers – C, and Mike Wallace WR, all in free agency. Then trade down and pick up a right tackle, and the best available players to add depth to receiver, Guards, inside linebacker, and additional depth. If we can find a stud Tight End and Safety we can part ways with Davis and Landry as well.
Then next year do what it takes to land Matt Barkley. Then in 2013 we should have a solid Offensive line to protect a QB and provide consistent run blocking, a veteran QB to hold the spot for a couple of years until Barkley is ready, a decent Receiving core especially if this years rookies pan out and depth at other critical positions.
by A Connecticut Redskin on Jan 20, 2012 9:57 AM EST reply actions
haha WISH list is right
1. No way the Steelers part ways with Wallace. If your looking at FA WRs for the Skins, look at the NO WRs, Dwayne Bowe, and possibly VJax.
2. There are no “stud” TEs or safeties to be had other than Davis and Landry themselves…i think we resign Fred and franchise Landry.
3. Signing Flynn is gonna cost us a decent price. You suggest we “do whatever it takes” aka mortage our future to ensure we get Barkley (who presumably will be a top 5 pick in 2013) after spendning big bucks the year before on Flynn. Spending that $ on Flynn for one or two years stewardship until Barkley is ready is a terrible idea. Even trying to get Barkley after signing Flynn is a bad idea. Barkley will be ready in less than “a couple years” so signing Flynn for that short a time is a waste
Keep dreaming!
Hail to 'Em
by SkinsaneAsylum on Jan 20, 2012 10:23 AM EST up reply actions
Franchising Landry would be a terrible move. He's not worth top 5 money in any way
by StephanHart on Jan 20, 2012 10:29 AM EST up reply actions
I think you're wrong… there have been some pretty expensive safety contracts
Written in the last two years
for comparison’s sake it takes almost 5,000,000 to franchise a tight end and there has been no large free-agent signing at that position.
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by Skins Fan '77 on Jan 20, 2012 5:06 PM EST up reply actions
Courtesy of Football Outsider:
Safeties
Projected Franchise Tender: $6.22M – $6.459M
Projected Transition Tender: $5.391M – $5.599M
by StephanHart on Jan 21, 2012 10:16 AM EST up reply actions
Which is not that expensive for one year
by jmpalomo on Jan 21, 2012 12:28 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Ignoring for a moment that that is not what you said above…
Six–6.5 million is a lot to pay a safety who has not given you a 16 game season in two years, and when he has played recently, hasn’t been anywhere close to a top five safety… it would be a really stupid move in my opinion
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by Skins Fan '77 on Jan 21, 2012 3:10 PM EST up reply actions
it comes down to this
which is easier to live without: $6-6.5 million for one year of Landry to prove he can stay healthy and be a lynchpin on our D for years to come or landry going to another team and playing for the SuperBowl next season as a leading force on their team (a la Carlos Rodgers, Andre Carter, Devin Thoms…..okay DT is still a joke but you get my point)
Hail to 'Em
by SkinsaneAsylum on Jan 23, 2012 5:46 PM EST up reply actions
How can you offer those as the only choices?
The safe bet is that Landry’s better days are behind him. It would be bad business to pay him top 5 money
honestly i have no clue what we shoudl do now that he is opting out of surgery...
i dont know what the reality of his injury is or what the doctors are telling him, but this is a tough situation
Hail to 'Em
by SkinsaneAsylum on Jan 24, 2012 9:35 AM EST up reply actions
WE WILL GET RG3
I think that RG3 will be our QB , he is the missing link to us to climb out of the cellar along with a few offensive guys we pick up and a extra wide reciever . RG3 is to good for us to let go of him , i think shanny will do anything to get him and i think they pull the plug and get him then watch our team go from cellar to division champs .
I just don't like his build and his playing style isn't necessarily preferable to me...
He’s not bad by any means, he just wouldn’t be my pick for quarterback of the future, especially if it requires trading up (although your scenario clearly depicts him being there @ 6 for us). I like Foles better; his playing style along with the value we’ll be getting late in the 1st Round or early in the 2nd. His accuracy on short as well as medium range throws are very good. His longer throws are so-so, but he has the rocket arm to make them and coaching could tighten up the deep ball.
Foles is not a franchise type QB
first of all he has a losing record as a starting QB for Arizona and winning games is important. and picking this guy late in the first round is a big big reach, cause he is not a first or really 2nd round talent player.
What is wrong with Griffin’s build? 6’2" 220lbs very athletic(track guy), and you dont like his playing style? you don’t like him throwing the best deep ball in college football or his accuracy 72.3 % what is not to like about the big plays he has made? and most of all the way he elevated the team he played for Baylor does not get better players than Arizona
Damn you CLE
CLE is in an ideal situation for a QB. They can try to sign Flynn. If they lose out, they’re in prime position to draft RGIII by moving up or staying put.
WAS fans wish we were in the same position.
The chances of RGIII being drafted by WAS depends on CLE.
For the 1,000 time. RG3 is going #2 overall.
People are also forgetting that Miami is also a threat to trade up for him. My prediction is and has been for a month…Cleveland trades 4th and 22nd overall picks to move up and take RG3 at #2. St Louis takes either Blackmon or Kalil at #4 depending on what the Vikes selection.
@Callahan_9 on the twitter machine.
Sorry I think everyone is Wrong
Fisher and Shanny are friends, we will move up to number 2, Flynn will be a dolphin (Thats where Philbin is going)
Deisel
You know very little about Mike Holmgren. No way he gives that up to move up two spots. The Brown, much like us, are rebuilding for the future. IMO, they have more needs that we do. Holmgren realizes this is a chance to fill in a lot of holes. He’s alwaus been smart about players and draft picks. He prob covets draft picks more than anyone in the league. no way does he move up two spots, and give up his draft on RG3.
Believe it or not, the guy likes Colt McCoy. If they do go QB, it will be with a later pick.
Imagine what Holmgren can do with those two 1st rounders, one 2nd and a 3rd. That’s 4 possible new starters(one being Blackmon), a position they desperately need.
Crying Lion
I've been wanting to ask this question of many here who have made this statement…
I am not picking on you tiller, you just happened to be the first post I read this afternoon.
If the Browns have "as many holes as we do" and "Mike Holmgren is smarter than that", then what does that make Mike Shanahan and the Redskins if we trade up to get one player?
It seems like you are arguing both sides of the fence in the same statement
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by Skins Fan '77 on Jan 21, 2012 3:14 PM EST up reply actions
The Browns need for a QB is not as great as Washington
they are in a position where they dont have to move up both teams picking ahead of them are not taking a QB (RG3) so if no trade happens they will still have the option to draft RG3, if someone trades ahead of them they will be able to get Justin Balckmon a huge need for them, cause if somebody trade up they gonna get RG3 and Minny will get Kalil. Now if i was in the 4th spot i would not be so sold on trading up 2 spots cause i can still get Blackmon. the price to trade up just 2 spots is just not worth what they would have to give up
I don't think that the argument
That "Cleveland doesn’t need a quarterback" is a very strong one… personally, I do not believe that Cleveland’s offense’s problems were all at the quarterback position… but others that follow football have made a case to the contrary.
You are right though, if Cleveland believes McCoy is a franchise quarterback, then they will probably not trade up.
It is the statement "McCoy is a franchise quarterback" that doesn’t sit well with me
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by Skins Fan '77 on Jan 22, 2012 8:49 AM EST up reply actions
Cause they have McCoy is only part of reason why i think they wont move up.
The Browns have the 4th pick in the draft and RG3 would fall to them if no trades happen. So if a trade does happen and say the Rams do call the Browns asking if they can match a offer or make a better offer. The browns will have to pay a higher price then the Redskins just to move up 2 spots even if they matched what the Skins offer pick for pick it cost more for them to do that. and i dont think they will overpay when they can get Blackmon. Cause why would they give up #4 and #22 to move up 2 spots that is way more expensive than what The Redskins would pay.
I followed you all the way up to…
"The browns will have to pay a higher price then the Redskins just to move up 2 spots even if they matched what the Skins offer pick for pick "
I don’t see how you arrive at that conclusion, Cleveland has more ammunition than us to begin with. Even if the Redskins go "all in", Cleveland’s all in offer would look more attractive because of their higher selections.
Your previous point makes more sense… Cleveland should not trade up because they will get a great player by just standing pat.
The question really is what they would do if they decide they must have Griffin
(by the way, I do not believe that Cleveland needs/wants Griffin)
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by Skins Fan '77 on Jan 22, 2012 10:08 AM EST up reply actions
If they feel he is Steve Young or Elway they can move up.
I am saying it is more expensive to move up just 2 spots, the Redskins picks are later picks this year so #4 overall is worth more than our pick at 6. and so their 2nd round is worth more than ours. So they would be better served staying pat and pick up a playmaker like Blackmon.
cause IMO if the Redskins offer say 2012 1st, 2nd and 2013 1st and 3rd
The Browns will have to offer the same type of deal or better why would you offer them your next years 1st if you the Browns??? cause they got 2 1st this year. I just dont think you give the 2nd 1st rd pick #22 to move up 2 spots. there offer would have to be something like 2012 1st, 1st, 3rd, 2013 3rd. that would be too much for just 2 spots IMO
by Highspeed30 on Jan 22, 2012 10:42 AM EST up reply actions
Okay, I now understand where you're coming from
Can’t say that I agree though… if Griffin is really all that then Cleveland would be stupid to let that little bit prevent them from making any deal.
So I guess what I’m saying is that Griffin is not the next Montana or young–probably a very good prospect, but not worth trading a whole lot for.
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by Skins Fan '77 on Jan 22, 2012 6:46 PM EST up reply actions
He could become great
or he could be good. Either way, it would be a smart move for us, considering we haven’t even sniffed OK in years.
Crying Lion
Diesel
I’m going to hlp you out here so you can save a little face(not that you care anyways).
Read This: http://www.cleveland.com/pluto/blog/index.ssf/2012/01/mike_holmgrens_track_record_in.html
Quote from the article: By Terry Pluto – The Plain Dealer
“It’s early January. So much can happen between before the April 26 draft. There is a free agency. There are trades. I have a feeling the Browns will be in the middle of a deal that involves a quarterback.”
Crying Lion
Cleveland will Not move up, it is more likely that they try and trade down then move up.
The only way The Browns move up is to take Andrew Luck, but that pick aint for sale
by Highspeed30 on Jan 20, 2012 6:18 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
100% true
no way they give up that much to move two spots. Aint’s happening with Holmgren running the show. If RG3 were to slid to #4, then maybe they select him, but they are not moving up, and RG3 isn’t lasting to 4.
Rams are now in a better position that any team in this draft. They already have their QB in Bradford. They have a good young OT in Saffold. They have some decent young pass rushers in Quinn and Long. They have a good young LB in JL. They need WR’s, some O-Linemen, and CB’s. Our first can get them – Claiborne/Kirkpatrick, Martin/Reiff, or they could even trade back again, and get even another 2nd. Their 2nd could net them a WR/OL, and our 2nd could give them whatever of the three positions of need they missed earlier. Our first next year can be icing on the cake.
Rams win. Redskins win by getting the most dynamic player in the draft.
Crying Lion
Why does this make sense for Cleveland
And not for Washington?
Cleveland has more pics than we do already, yet you advocate that the Redskins trade multiple picks for one player… you don’t apply the same logic to both teams–please explain
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by Skins Fan '77 on Jan 21, 2012 3:17 PM EST up reply actions
I am not Tiller, but I can give you my impression...
Cleveland may have as many holes as we do, but there are distinct differences between both organizations. For one, their deficiencies are different than ours, which has an effect on who they would target in the draft (combined with who is available in the draft).
Second, their HC situation is at a different stage than ours. Holgren just brought in his HC this last year (if my memory serves me). Shanahan has a year on him. That affects his expectation from management (some may call it desperation, whatever…). All those details affect the strategy of each organization. Tiller does not believe that they will react the same way as Washington. It may be due to these details…
I can see that
And you’ve made some good points.
It would seem that the Shanahan’s and we fans just have no experience with a complete rebuild making it difficult to predict how the front office will conduct this draft… there just is no history with Mike Shanahan and a complete rebuild.
We do have a little history on Mike Holmgren and the Seahawks–if history is any indication, then you are right, Cleveland will not draft a quarterback
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by Skins Fan '77 on Jan 22, 2012 8:55 AM EST up reply actions
I would trade our first and second plus next years first to move up to #2
I believe our team is finally in a position to make a move like this. We are young enough on both sides of the ball to survive next year without a first rounder. It’s risky but a risk I’m willing to take to secure a guy like RG3. In free agency target Bowe and Colston for WR and I’m happy with either, target Grubbs and Nicks for OLine and I’m also happy with either. Call it an offseason on O. Rg3, helu, royster, Hightower (will resign), Bowe/Colston, jabar, moss, hank, Cooley, Davis with a decent OLine is a playoff offense with a top 10 D to back em up. With the 3rd and two 4th rounders I’d go with RT, DB, ILB with the order going with best player available at those positions. This is really not that crazy of a scenario
by jeffco01 on Jan 21, 2012 5:27 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Cleveland is not going to sign Matt Flynn
How much of an upgrade are we talking here? Thats stupid.
I find it incredible how Matt Flynn is so hyped up to be such a great quarterback… there isn’t much film on this guy. Just because he is Aaron Rodgers backup doesn’t make him a day one starter for another team going into next season. C’mon people….
by xocnodnarb on Jan 21, 2012 7:24 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
RG3 would be an awesome addition!
Hey guys, look RG3 is a high character athlete, brought up the right way by military parents, is a winner on the field, a great role model off the field and highly intelligent. His arm can make all the throws extremely accurately and can throw on the run with accuracy. He is a franchise QB & I hope we do all we can to get him on our roster!! In FA upgrade WR,OL & draft best players for needs after that. It’s time to go REDSKINS, don’t let RG3 get away!!!
by Riggin's Raiders on Jan 21, 2012 9:45 PM EST reply actions
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