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Mel Kiper's First NFL 2012 Mock Draft Has the Redskins Selecting...

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#6: Morris Claiborne, CB, LSU

While the "Honey Badger," Tyrann Mathieu, piled up the headlines at LSU, the best cornerback on the team was quietly dominant all season. Currently a top-five player on my Big Board, Claiborne is the top cornerback in the draft. He has good length at 6-foot-1 and is a physical player at more than 180 pounds. The Redskins will need help at corner headed into 2012, particularly in a division in which the Giants, Cowboys and Eagles have elite talent at wide receiver. While not quite the athlete, Claiborne is actually a better pure cover corner than Patrick Peterson, the No. 5 overall pick from last year.

Off the board in order was: Luck (IND), Blackmon (STL), Kalil (MIN), RG3 (CLE), T. Richardson (TB).

Kiper had Alshon Jeffery going to the 49ers with the 31st pick.

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Yea and I'm standing up applauding

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by Parks Smith on Jan 18, 2012 4:56 PM EST reply actions  

Can't tell if serious....

But I am when I say this is a great first pick.

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by Ronnie Adkins on Jan 18, 2012 4:58 PM EST up reply actions  

I built the cornerback at #6 bandwagon, don't ever forget it. There is still plenty of room.

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by Parks Smith on Jan 18, 2012 5:01 PM EST up reply actions  

I would consider hopping in that wagon

if you pull me around the block in it a few times. Whatcha say Parks ?

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by skinaholic on Jan 18, 2012 7:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Not so fast parks

Ive been vouching for Claiborne a long time now

by mr.snyderhireme on Jan 18, 2012 8:26 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

ha

I wanted Ras I Dowling last year…maybe i just built the frame for the wagon

"Honey Badger Don't Care"

by ptowny on Jan 19, 2012 6:26 AM EST up reply actions  

51% of ppl in poll said "NO"...I wonder who they want?

Dre Kirkpatrick? He can be roommates with Trent and Fred.

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by Kevin Ewoldt on Jan 18, 2012 5:03 PM EST up reply actions  

I can sell them my old bong

made out of a soda bottle

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by Ronnie Adkins on Jan 18, 2012 5:04 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm willing to bet 95% of that 51% didn't read 100% of the question and think they can still draft RG3

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by Parks Smith on Jan 18, 2012 5:05 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm willing to bet 98% of that 51% still think

trading up for RGIII is a valid option.

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by Ronnie Adkins on Jan 18, 2012 5:06 PM EST up reply actions  

good point, let me adjust my numbers...

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by Parks Smith on Jan 18, 2012 5:12 PM EST up reply actions  

haha

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by Parks Smith on Jan 18, 2012 5:12 PM EST up reply actions  

I think 2%

Milk tastes watered down.

Where do they teach you to talk like this? In some Panama City "Sailor wanna hump-hump" bar, or is it getaway day and your last shot at his whiskey? Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.

by CJHutch on Jan 18, 2012 5:40 PM EST up reply actions  

To be fair, Kiper is an idiot.
“Jamarcus Russell’s gonna immediately energize that Raider Nation, that fanbase, that football team- on the practice field, in that locker room- three years from now you could be looking at a guy that’s certainly one of the elite top five quarterbacks in this league.

You’re talking about a 2-3 year period once he’s under center. Look out because skill level that he has is certainly John Elway like."

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by Diesel44 on Jan 18, 2012 5:09 PM EST up reply actions  

To be fair

That last point may not be wrong necessarily. For all we know John Elway could also be very good at eating cheeseburgers.

Where do they teach you to talk like this? In some Panama City "Sailor wanna hump-hump" bar, or is it getaway day and your last shot at his whiskey? Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.

by CJHutch on Jan 18, 2012 5:42 PM EST up reply actions  

and Purple Drank..

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by Diesel44 on Jan 18, 2012 5:49 PM EST up reply actions  

I never joke.

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by Diesel44 on Jan 18, 2012 6:57 PM EST up reply actions  

plus Jimmy Clausen

and many other stupid predictions

Rodskins

by Rodskins on Jan 19, 2012 8:50 AM EST via Android app up reply actions  

Think our first pick is going to be offense

but if the draft plays out this way, AND we can’t trade down. I guess this works. We do need help in the beat box.

The Beat Box aka skins secondary.

by Al_CaPWNED on Jan 18, 2012 4:58 PM EST reply actions  

So you want to draft

Doug E. Fresh?

Where do they teach you to talk like this? In some Panama City "Sailor wanna hump-hump" bar, or is it getaway day and your last shot at his whiskey? Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.

by CJHutch on Jan 18, 2012 5:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Would be fine with Claiborne

I haven’t seen much of him personally, but he’s a pretty good cover corner by most accounts. If we can’t get RG3, or a trade down, I’d be happy with a corner at 6.

by UkRedskin on Jan 18, 2012 5:04 PM EST reply actions  

I've been hearing people I respect on this blog talk about CB in the first

but I’d like to hear a bit more about the rationale behind it. Is it a ‘best player available’ type of thing or do you believe an upgrade at the CB position will materially impact our bottom line for seasons to come?

This isn’t a leading questions, I’m actually interested in your thoughts, because I feel like there are great CBs around the league on teams going nowhere.

by SCSkin21 on Jan 18, 2012 5:12 PM EST up reply actions  

It's a little of both.

I’ve always been a fan of taking the best player available that fills any position of need. If there’s no QB worth the 6th pick (RG3 taken by someone else, for example), then Claiborne certainly appears to be one of the better players in this draft class. CB isn’t necessarily a pressing need, it certainly needs to be addressed at some point this off-season. If Claiborne is a true shut-down corner (and I can’t say either way at this point, haven’t seen much of him), then he would absolutely benefit this defense.

With the pass-rush we now have, to add a shut-down corner to cover the number 1 receiver or even just the hot read, then we’ll benefit. With Kerrigan, Orakpo, Cofield, Bowen and the rest up front giving the opposing QB little time to make a throw, if we can then take away his go-to receiver or his hot read, he’s gonna get sacked, force a throw that could result in an INT, or at worst have to throw the ball away.

Hopefully that answers your question.

by UkRedskin on Jan 18, 2012 5:30 PM EST up reply actions  

It does, and I think I want a shutdown CB now. Ha thanks for that

But seriously, if an affordable QB option attainable out of the #6 position and trading back doesn’t make sense, I can see how Claiborne could be big for us.

Our front 7 is shaping up to be pretty diesel.

by SCSkin21 on Jan 18, 2012 6:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Yup, it’s nice to have a front 7 that can generate pressure. It makes getting off the field on 3rd downs so much easier.

by UkRedskin on Jan 18, 2012 6:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Absolutely agree

Shut-down CBs are almost harder to come by than franchise QBs these days. Plus with the league developing rules that favor pass happy spread offenses, it makes perfect sense to go with CB. I mean look what Carlos Rodgers has done for that San Francisco defense! Plus, I think DeAngelo’s ball hawking skills could benefit tremendously if he had an elite corner on the #1 WR.

by Kurtstack on Jan 18, 2012 7:57 PM EST up reply actions  

I think we can only go defense in the first if we address QB in free agency...

If we enter the draft with the expectation of drafting Foles, Weeden or Tannehill, I think we have to give him a chance by going with Reiff. Our defense was not top 5 this year, and adding Claiborne might give us that edge to push us up the rankings and allow less points (which can get wins just as much as scoring more points).

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by ptowny on Jan 19, 2012 6:36 AM EST up reply actions  

I skimmed the comments on the app and didn't see this

This is basically my question, sorry about the repeat.

by DavidDunn on Jan 18, 2012 5:43 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions  

Check a few comments up David.

Response is titled “It’s a little of both.”

by UkRedskin on Jan 18, 2012 6:05 PM EST up reply actions  

BPA

Every passing team goes 4 and 5 wide, so having 3 or 4 good CBs can’t hurt either.

by Mr. E on Jan 18, 2012 6:20 PM EST up reply actions  

I Disagreed.

If RGIII is unavailable i think Shanahan trades back for more picks like last year.

by darevSkins on Jan 18, 2012 5:09 PM EST reply actions  

You didn't read the rules!
Do you agree with Kiper’s pick if the Redskins had to pick at #6?

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by Parks Smith on Jan 18, 2012 5:13 PM EST up reply actions  

ok since you explained it that way...

change my vote from No to Yes.

If we have to pick someone at #6, he is BPA and a team need.

by jgibbsfan1 on Jan 18, 2012 5:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Whoops!

Yes if we have to pick at 6 then id go for the best player. With Kalil and Blackmon gone, this is a good pick.

by darevSkins on Jan 18, 2012 5:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Does this make him

Part of the 98% of the 51%, or is there another equation for his question?

Where do they teach you to talk like this? In some Panama City "Sailor wanna hump-hump" bar, or is it getaway day and your last shot at his whiskey? Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.

by CJHutch on Jan 18, 2012 5:45 PM EST up reply actions  

damn did the same thing

voted no because I wanted to trade back, stupid skimming technique

by Draco on Jan 18, 2012 7:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Claiborne is a fine pick and better than say Trent Richardson but I would put this pick on the offensive line

if the board is what it is, Reiff, Martin and even DeCastro would all be picks I’d make over a CB.

Cornerback is a position that could be addressed in free agency, offensive tackle is not. I am also really high on a number of 2nd-4th round corners, who i think will really surprise some people. While I like some 2nd to 4th round tackles, i think the drop off is further.

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by Steve Shoup on Jan 18, 2012 5:14 PM EST reply actions  

I have to agree

If it accordance with the “rules” then I would go OL without hesitation. CB is a need, just not an immediate need right now, but not that high.

by Bryan Black on Jan 18, 2012 5:21 PM EST via Android app up reply actions  

yeah

I also don’t think CB is as important as OL, and whether it is a LT, RT, C or G, we need some star talent there.

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by Steve Shoup on Jan 18, 2012 5:26 PM EST up reply actions  

would be a good pick, i just dont think Claiborne make it to #6. The Bucs need CB help so they would most likely grab him

by Highspeed30 on Jan 18, 2012 5:19 PM EST reply actions  

FA & the Draft

To become the dynasty that we so deserve we will do so mostly by the draft and with help from free-agency. We have to get bigger, faster, & larger at all of the following positions: quarter-back, running back, wide receiver(s), tight-ends, tackles, guards & center(s), on the defensive side of the ball it would be: defensive linemen, nose-guard(s), linebackers, corner-backs and safeties. Keep in mind we had six draft choices last draft, this year we have eight. By being smart and trading back we picked up six extra choices. This year I expect us to do so and get at least fourteen draft picks and pick up four to five starterss

by Redskin-Ron on Jan 18, 2012 5:21 PM EST reply actions  

+1

Didn’t even read you comment. Just for the name

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by Ronnie Adkins on Jan 18, 2012 5:33 PM EST up reply actions  

But now that I read your comment

I retract my prior statement

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by Ronnie Adkins on Jan 18, 2012 5:33 PM EST up reply actions  

I’d do a backflip if they landed Claiborne.

by Brutus89 on Jan 18, 2012 5:37 PM EST reply actions  

Morris Claiborne at 6?

This can only mean he goes to the Panthers in the second round.

Kiper is the biggest gas bag on the planet.

I see it as more cushion for the pushin'

by iH8dallas on Jan 18, 2012 5:38 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

I see a lot of approval in the thread

Is it because we think he is the BPA at 6, because we think corner is our biggest or close to a top need (I would include the idea that a strong nickel corner is req in today’s NFL for this choice, or because of distaste for D’angelo hall,Wilson, or an assumption that Hall won’t be here in a fee years. Or some combination of those.

I am pretty sure Kiper doesn’t predict trades so I know this the opinion of a forced 6 pick and everyone from 1-5 off the board.

by DavidDunn on Jan 18, 2012 5:41 PM EST via iPhone app reply actions  

Kiper only bases his picks on team needs versus talent

He doesn’t factor in a lot of the intangibles such as work ethic, football IQ and leadership skills. That’s why he always so far off, because teams get a better idea during the combine and actually sitting down with them during interviews. As far as Jamarcus Russell….Kipers and the Raiders failed miserably in their research because I recall there being quite a few concerns about him leading up to the draft

by Bryan Black on Jan 18, 2012 5:56 PM EST via Android app up reply actions  

Here is Kiper's mock from last year at this time..

1. Carolina Panthers: Nick Fairley, DT, Auburn Tigers
2. Denver Broncos: Patrick Peterson, CB, LSU
3. Buffalo Bills: Marcell Dareus, DE, Alabama
4. Cincinnati Bengals: DaQuan Bowers, DE, Clemons
5. Arizona Cardinals: Blaine Gabbert, QB, Missouri
6. Cleveland Browns: A.J. Green, WR, Georgia
7. San Francisco 49ers: Robert Quinn, DE, North Carolina
8. Tennessee Titans: Von Miller, OLB, Texas A&M
9. Dallas Cowboys: Prince Amukamara, CB, Nebraska
10. Washington Redskins: Cam Newton, QB, Auburn

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by Diesel44 on Jan 18, 2012 5:58 PM EST reply actions  

Good find.

Interestingly, for what its worth, last year a few friends of mine got together on draft day and made top 10 predictions. I got 7/10. Missed on Aldon Smith, Locker and Gabbert.

by UkRedskin on Jan 18, 2012 6:16 PM EST up reply actions  

What's you thought on what's going to happen this year with the Skins pick?

Not what you want to happen, but what you think will happen?

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by Copious 1 on Jan 18, 2012 6:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Right now, I don't know.

I’d rather wait until at least after the combine to start doing mock drafts/off-seasons etc.

My gut feeling as what they will do if the draft was tomorrow, I don’t think they stay at 6.

by UkRedskin on Jan 18, 2012 6:36 PM EST up reply actions  

BOOOOOOO weiny!

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by Parks Smith on Jan 18, 2012 7:41 PM EST up reply actions  

haha

so you had Gabbert going to us at 10?

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by ptowny on Jan 19, 2012 6:41 AM EST up reply actions  

No, I had Locker to us at 10.

Gabbert to the 49ers, and nick Fairly to the Titans.

by UkRedskin on Jan 19, 2012 6:44 AM EST up reply actions  

and he was probably higher on Miller and Cam at that point than nearly everyone else. Bowers had a serious injury revealed but all the rest were top 15 picks I believe.

What’s funny is go back 6 months earlier and everyone had Jake Locker #1.

by Mr. E on Jan 18, 2012 6:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Claiborne may be great, but

it just doesn’t make sense to me to use our first round pick on a position we don’t need. Hall and Wilson are fine – how much of an upgrade could Claiborne be? We need QB, safety and WR far more. It appears that Kiper assumes we will get a QB elsewhere, so will take the best player available. Kiper’s mock poses a dilemma though. If the draft goes something like he says, and we don’t want to reach for Tannehill, what do we do? That problem suggests to me that it would be better to use that pick, along with other picks or players, to move up, or, alternatively, trade down to get more picks. In any case, don’t waste a #6 pick on a cornerback.

by Donnio1234 on Jan 18, 2012 6:53 PM EST reply actions  

+1

CB is just not gonna cut it unless we’ve already signed Flynn. Go Oline or Blackmon if he slides. OR sign DeSean, trade up and pick RG3 then use a 3rd on LMJ and become an offensive powerhouse moving the ball between the 20s

by PlaymakerInDC on Jan 18, 2012 7:17 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions  

Facepalm
Hall and Wilson are fine – how much of an upgrade could Claiborne be?

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by Parks Smith on Jan 18, 2012 7:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Wilson yes, Hall no.

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by Diesel44 on Jan 18, 2012 8:04 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I like the idea of PACKAGING Hall in a trade up with the Rams.

I know, I know, some don’t feel he has value but let’s remember…..they were playing street FA’s during the season, so he would be elite compared to what they have. Sign Finnegan and/or Grimes in Free Agency.

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by Copious 1 on Jan 18, 2012 8:19 PM EST up reply actions  

And then Barnes become a starter

I swear if you look up the meaning of “up shit creek without a paddle” Barnes starting is somewhere in there

by Bryan Black on Jan 18, 2012 8:29 PM EST via Android app up reply actions  

I think i selectively overlooked it

and didn’t mention the rest of your idea because of the shock of Barnes actually starting shocked the system

by Bryan Black on Jan 18, 2012 8:51 PM EST via Android app up reply actions  

Packaging Hall with anything make the "anything" less valuable.

I.E.

1st RD pick + Hall = 2nd rd pick
2nd RD pick + Hall =3rd pick

etc, etc.

He’s a terrible cover CB and a 1st down machine for other teams on 3rd down. I loathe him.

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by Diesel44 on Jan 18, 2012 9:05 PM EST up reply actions  

double facepalm

we need a guy to shut down the 3rd and long plays. none of the dbs seem to be able to cover. i find it really shocking to see a redskin fan not wanting to draft the best cb in the draft if we are stuck at 6 and he falls to us. but im pretty sure he will be gone before we pick

by munson21502 on Jan 19, 2012 1:54 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't see an argument that CB is a bigger need for us than WR, QB or OL.

There’s no way our WRs are better than Hall/Wilson.

Same with the OL

Same with the QB

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by smutsboy1 on Jan 19, 2012 2:24 PM EST up reply actions  

thats because there isnt 1

we do need a good cb. if the best cb in this years draft fall to us we have to take him if we get no offers. instead of useing our 6th pick on a mid teens player of a more needed position. its just the better move.. but again there is little chance he falls to the 6th spot.

by munson21502 on Jan 19, 2012 4:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Reaching 10 spots for a player simply isn’t the worst thing in the world.

Logic like yours is precisely how we’ve ended up drafting so much defense, specifically the secondary, and neglecting the offense.

And our offense has been terrible b/c of it.

Obviously I’m not saying “reach at all costs,” but when are we going to start simply addressing our biggest needs? (OL-QB-offense)

If we say, “not this year” every year, then it never happens.

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by smutsboy1 on Jan 20, 2012 12:35 PM EST up reply actions  

DREAM SCENARIO

There’s no way this guy falls to 6th. But of he does, I’m all for it. Our secondary was terrible last year and after QB, corner’s our next top need.

by bneven on Jan 18, 2012 8:47 PM EST reply actions  

CB more of a need than safety?

Or even a big, fast WR? Or O-line? I was talking of relative need. The Skins might want to upgrade almost every position except OLB and, of course, Fletcher’s slot, but that is not practical.

by Donnio1234 on Jan 18, 2012 9:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Wait

You really think our WRs are better than our corners?

Our OL is better than our corners?

We apparently watched different teams in 2011.

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by smutsboy1 on Jan 19, 2012 11:39 AM EST up reply actions  

If RG3, Blackmon & Claiborne are gone...

Trade back. Take Luke Kuechly (MLB) in the 1st, Kellen Moore in the 2nd & Casey Hayward (CB) in the 3rd. CHAMPIONSHIP!

by bneven on Jan 18, 2012 8:51 PM EST reply actions  

Kellen Moore in the 2nd? WOOOOOOOOOOOWWWWWWWWWW

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by Parks Smith on Jan 18, 2012 8:56 PM EST up reply actions  

No that's not what they said Brees was graded as a 1st or 2nd rounder, Moore is graded as a 7th/UDFA

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by Parks Smith on Jan 18, 2012 9:00 PM EST up reply actions  

He was projected as a 1st rounder.

Guys typically go in their projected round. Every year their are reaches, but most guys go in their projected round.

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by Copious 1 on Jan 18, 2012 9:08 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Yeah Parks, if you don't remember.

We HAVE to take the 5’10 180 Kellen Moore with his weak arm and below average athleticism in the 2nd OR we’ll be forced to watch some team take him much later in the draft.

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by Diesel44 on Jan 18, 2012 9:08 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

bneven-

If my aunt had a package…woukd that make her my uncle?

Dude Really?

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by Diesel44 on Jan 18, 2012 9:16 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

hahaha rec'd

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by Parks Smith on Jan 18, 2012 9:35 PM EST up reply actions  

then maybe we can beat teams

like the rams, dolphins, browns, and a half dead cowboy team.. i wouldnt know how to act if the redskins could beat the teams they should beat on a normal basis lol

by munson21502 on Jan 19, 2012 2:02 PM EST up reply actions  

orrrrrrrr

we’ll be forced to watch him go undrafted and then signed away to someone elses practice squad…that means no championship :(

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by ptowny on Jan 19, 2012 6:45 AM EST up reply actions  

Gabbert put together more wins than we did this year...

His line was pretty shaky, I think if they add a piece or two, he’ll be fine. If the expectation is for a rookie to do what Newton did this year, we’re going to be disappointed this year

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by ptowny on Jan 19, 2012 6:47 AM EST up reply actions  

Floyd better pick than Claiborne

I think a better pick than Claiborne would be to get Michael Floyd he is worth a top 10 pick. He is big, physical, speedy, great route runner, and has great hands. If we are going to find our QB of the future then we need a big WR threat that can stretch the field and win the jump ball. If we get Floyd i see a rookie QB like Foles or Tannehill having a easier adjustment period. like AJ Green was for Dalton. Man Moss, Floyd, Hankerson, and Gaffney our receiver core would be great.

by squigums on Jan 18, 2012 8:53 PM EST reply actions  

I dig it.

Floyd is a monster.

Redskins @RGIII - 2012

by Copious 1 on Jan 18, 2012 9:08 PM EST up reply actions  

I'd rather trade back and try to get a Dre Kirkpatrick a little further down.

That way we can try and get Tannehill or Foles if RGIII is gone.

I’d still do absolutely whatever it takes to trade up and get Robert Griffin.

by Andrew DeFrank on Jan 18, 2012 9:46 PM EST reply actions  

Who will Tannehill or Foles throw too

We need a new #1 WR. we have needed one since moss turned 30. yea he is still producing but not forever. Hank hopefully will improve some more but someone like Floyd will greatly improve our offense.

by squigums on Jan 18, 2012 11:37 PM EST up reply actions  

And if we draft a WR, who will throw to him.

See how that logic doesn’t work?

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by smutsboy1 on Jan 19, 2012 11:38 AM EST up reply actions  

actually the logic is sound

we just have too many holes for 1 draft sadly…

The Beat Box aka skins secondary.

by Al_CaPWNED on Jan 19, 2012 12:36 PM EST up reply actions  

No, it’s not.

It’s an endless loop of no logic.

If we draft a WR, who throw to him?

If we draft a QB, who will he throw to?

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by smutsboy1 on Jan 19, 2012 12:53 PM EST up reply actions  

its easy

it is not a matter of we have too many needs for one draft its we need to fill thous holes with quality players in the first 3 rounds.
1st round
Floyd
2nd round
Foles
3rd round
Tanner Hawkinson, Don Barclay, Zebrie Sanders
are all good quick athletic OT that could fill the zone blocking scheme
or
David Molk, Michael Brewster
both are good quick athletic C that are better fit for zone blocking schemes

by squigums on Jan 19, 2012 11:49 PM EST up reply actions  

I was disagreeing with your statement, “Who will Tannehill or Foles throw too”

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by smutsboy1 on Jan 20, 2012 12:36 PM EST up reply actions  

QB

Tannehill is a real possibility,injured foot and all.Dont know anything about Hank,so I caint really say.Still think though,we go after Flynn.A #1 receiver is a good possiblity too.Wouldnt hurt,If we went after Hannah,for tight end.he has skills like widden does.Because we dont knowwaht the news is on Davis.would be a good fit,opposite of cooley.SIGN OUR LEADER ON DEFENSE,FLETCHER,the ravens have lewis,we need our fletcher too.

by Roy m Tillman on Jan 19, 2012 12:42 PM EST up reply actions  

stanfords coby fleener would be good option at TE

lohaus #54

by lohaus#54 on Jan 20, 2012 1:24 AM EST up reply actions  

Nightmare

No,just been living a nightmare for the last 10yrs,and it still going and goig and going.ENOUGH allready.Time to put up or shutup!

by Roy m Tillman on Jan 19, 2012 12:34 PM EST up reply actions  

I'll be amazed

if Claiborne was still there at #6 and there’s no way the Skins can’t take him. He’s the best cover corner I’ve seen in a long time. Having said that, I think there’s no way the Bucs pass on him with Ronde Barber and Aqib Talib as their starters.

by 2up2down on Jan 18, 2012 10:19 PM EST reply actions  

How does anyone not like this pick?

No QB that’ll be around is truly worth 6th overall. Griffin is looking less and less like an option, landing Claiborne would be great for this team.

by Brutus89 on Jan 18, 2012 11:30 PM EST reply actions  

more important needs

there are more important needs than CB. Like WR, C, OT, then maybe CB, ILB

by squigums on Jan 18, 2012 11:35 PM EST up reply actions  

It’s a lot easier to get a playmaking WR or decent lineman than a shut down corner. You can find those other positions in the 2nd rd and beyond.

by Brutus89 on Jan 19, 2012 12:28 AM EST up reply actions  

many of the top CB's in the league were non first round picks

Finnigan, Grimes, Jason McCourty, Verner, Sherman, Flowers, Webb, Samuel, Carr etc.

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by Steve Shoup on Jan 19, 2012 9:20 AM EST up reply actions  

I wouldn’t call any of those elite, shutdown corners.

by Brutus89 on Jan 19, 2012 9:29 AM EST up reply actions  

Um, at least half of them are.

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by smutsboy1 on Jan 19, 2012 11:38 AM EST up reply actions  

I’m talking Revis, Bailey territory

by Brutus89 on Jan 19, 2012 9:30 AM EST up reply actions  

Thoses corners are elite

They may not be big names like Revis, Bailey, or Asomugha but they get the job done

our defense is pretty solid it has been getting most of the attention these past drafts our offense needs to be fixed now

by squigums on Jan 20, 2012 12:01 AM EST up reply actions  

Sure, it would help at CB - but it wouldn't do anything for other positions

in worse shape than CB. Like QB, safety, WR, O-line. It could be true that Claiborne is BPA when 6 rolls around, but in that case we should trade back with the idea of getting a good QB at a more reasonable price. I think it would be better to use the value of the #6 pick to trade up to get RG3 or Blackmon (if we already got our QB -in like Flynn, as they say).

by Donnio1234 on Jan 18, 2012 11:59 PM EST up reply actions  

QB is the obvious #1 need, but I also don’t want them to settle for a guy just to get one. If we can’t trade out of 6 for whatever reason (especially not likely with people looking at Claiborne sitting there) and they have to pick, they can make the best of it by taking Claiborne.

I really don’t think we’ll be able to move up if our competition truly is Cleveland.

by Brutus89 on Jan 19, 2012 12:31 AM EST up reply actions  

STOP DRAFTING DEFENSE IN THE FIRST ROUND

Then we can also stop wondering why our offense has generally sucked for the last decade.

This would be, what, our fourth first round pick on the SECONDARY alone, let alone the Kerrapo picks? And our fourth TOP TEN first rounder on the secondary.

Jesus.

This is THE argument showing how ‘best player available’ isn’t a universal rule.

We need to devote early-draft (1st & 2nd round) resources to the OFFENSE or it will never be good.

One tackle and one late-1st-QB isn’t going to get it done.

Arg.

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by smutsboy1 on Jan 19, 2012 11:36 AM EST reply actions  

I couldnt agree with you more

Our offense is a constant joke because we kept drafting the BPA for once we need to get what we need

by squigums on Jan 20, 2012 12:07 AM EST up reply actions  

Exactly.

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by smutsboy1 on Jan 20, 2012 12:37 PM EST up reply actions  

REDSKIN IN NEEDS

Clayborn maybe a good fit for our defense,but and theres that BUT again!I say,go after Flynn,and yes,I agree we need a wide receiver,havent had a one since a player that came out of Syracuse by the name of Art MONk,If we could pick up one like he was,then we would have a receiver that could stretch the feild.Theres a tightend,from OU,has good hands like a Widden,can run the pass routes,his name is hannah,big,tought,have to be in order to play against someone like OU STATE.Bottom line,go after FLYNN.We ALL know what he can do.HTTR

by Roy m Tillman on Jan 19, 2012 12:30 PM EST reply actions  

correction

the problem with flynn is that nobody knows what he can do. It believed that he is a product of the system and that he will only do good in the packers system because IT IS THE PACKERS. Yes he had two good games but that is all we have to go on. You can not judge a NFL QB by two games. Especially if he is gonna be the franchise QB. I am not saying Flynn could not be the answer to our prayers but for the price that he will cost it might not be worth it.

by squigums on Jan 20, 2012 12:15 AM EST up reply actions  

Remind me

Why we didn’t try to sign Jonathon Joseph this year??

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by HogNasty on Jan 19, 2012 1:08 PM EST reply actions  

i hope we do get him

but i got a bad feeling that richardson will be the 1 left at 6

by munson21502 on Jan 19, 2012 1:42 PM EST reply actions  

if draft a RB in the top 10 I will start a riot.

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by smutsboy1 on Jan 19, 2012 2:23 PM EST up reply actions  

i hoping he isnt there at 6 when we pick.

but out of the top 6 players i think richardson will be the most likely to be there. if thats true i really hope a team wants to do a trade with us

by munson21502 on Jan 19, 2012 4:52 PM EST up reply actions  

man that would be great

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by smutsboy1 on Jan 20, 2012 12:37 PM EST up reply actions  

kiper is a screw ball in the 04 draft he had us taking kellen winslow at 6 but gibbs grabbed taylor and then got cooley in the later rounds we all know who turned out to be the better TE.

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by lohaus#54 on Jan 20, 2012 1:21 AM EST reply actions  

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