Updated 6 Round Mock Draft For the Skins
Hey guys I wanted to share my latest 6 round NFL Mock Draft with everyone. For the full 6 rounds including writeups for the first two rounds you can find it all Here! Right now I'm not predicting any trades but wanted look at some guys the Skins could be interested in in each round. Also in this Mock, I decided to look at what the Skins might do if they sign Matt Flynn and QB isn't as pressing of a need for next year.
1. Riley Reiff, OT, Iowa- Some might call this a reach pick but next to QB the Redskins RT need is their biggest question mark. With Trent Williams long term potential an unknown at this point (due both to his off the field and on field issues), having a tackle who might out play him at LT could be invaluable. As for the question about taking a RT in the top 10, it should be a non-factor. A RT still faces many of the leagues top pass rushers (Babin, Woodley, etc.) and is instrumental in the run game. It might not be as hard as LT, but if you find an elite one you keep him. Also if teams are investing more and more resources to bring pressure from that side, then why wouldn't you match-up?
2. Mark Barron, SS, Alabama- Barron could get popped at the end of the first round, but if he falls the Redskins should definitely consider him. The LaRon Landry Era should be coming to an end, as he's no longer worth the money and headaches, due to injuries and inconsistent play. Barron could step right into his shoes and give the Redskins an extremely talented strong safety. Barron is a heavy hitter, but he's improved in coverage as well. He displays great instincts and could be a nice piece to build around in a secondary that lacks a lot of talent and depth. Note- Barron is selected to play in the Senior Bowl, and will be on the South squad, though an injury might make him a last minute scratch.
3. Lucas Nix, G, Pittsburgh- Now the importance of the interior line in the draft could be determined by what happens in free agency, but it is safe to say that some major help is needed here. If the Redskins land a big name guy and bring back Lichtensteiger, then they have some depth with Chester and possibly Hurt. If they don't land any big name Free Agents, or let Lichtensteiger leave then Guard is definitely a position to target here. Nix is a strong versatile guard who is good in both pass protection and run blocking. He might need a little time before he is counted on as a full time starter, but he projects very well at the next level.
4a. Stephen Hill, WR, Georgia Tech- Extremely raw receiver, but he also has big time upside. He's got immense athletic ability and 6'5" size. He would be more of a role player next year (i.e. Red Zone threat), but could take his game to the next level in year two or three.
4b. Donnie Fletcher,CB, Boston College- Fletcher is a tall (6'1") CB, who shows a lot of fluidity when running with receivers. He has good instincts and would be a nice value here in the 4th round.
5. Ryan Broyles, WR, Oklahoma- Broyles stock is falling after injuring his knee mid-year for Oklahoma. Already there were questions about his speed and ability to work off press coverage, that made him more of a mid-2nd round pick. Now with the injury and a very strong WR class, he looks to be more of a late 4th or early 5th rounder. While he isn't a burner or has good size, Broyles would be a great fit for the Redskins offense. He could take over Santana Moss's role after next season and is just too good of a value to pass up here.
6a. Terrence Ganaway, RB, Baylor- The Shanahan's have already said they are looking for another back this offseason, and Ganaway would be a nice complementary piece as he is a bigger back and can help in short yardage situations. He isn't a burner, but can make some people miss. If he flashes some more one-cut ability while being coached by the Redskins at the Senior Bowl, he'd be a very logical pick.
6b. B.J. Coleman, QB, Chattanooga- No its not the big name QB that most people are expecting, but Coleman has some real nice upside. He's a very intriguing 3rd QB option to develop behind Flynn. He's got a strong arm and is more advanced than people give him credit for.
*Note Nix and Fletcher are Senior Bowl bound as well, but they will be on the opposite sideline.
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First pick was a waste
by mr.snyderhireme on Jan 17, 2012 5:33 PM EST via mobile reply actions 1 recs
how?
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Still think the Browns move up to #2...They could offer 2 1st's this year and a 2nd this year and they just have more/too much ammo.
If the draft goes as I predict..
1. Colts Luck
2. Browns RG3
3. Vikes Kalil
4. Rams Blackmon
5. Bucs Claiborne
6. Skin??? With Dre going full on Davis/Twill he’ll be off the board, Reiff would be a solid shoice
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Dre just got busted with weed
You think his stock falls with this arrest? I don’t want him, Fred and TW on the same team. Might as well sign Sam Hurd off the chain gang while were at it!
by Bryan Black on Jan 17, 2012 10:05 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Bryan
you’d be surprised how many of these guys smoke weed. Getting caught with it is bad, no doubt, but a lot more are doing it, and getting away with it.
Crying Lion
Getting away with
I wish friend and TW would ask them how they are doing it
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agreed
trading with the Browns also ensures the Rams would get one of Kalil, Blackmon or Claiborne (in fact two of those three would still be on the board), so they might want quite a bit more to go back even to number 6.
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by Steve Shoup on Jan 17, 2012 10:11 PM EST up reply actions
Brown's have the 4th and 22nd overall picks.
The Rams could still get Blackmon and fill another starting need at 22. If the Browns want RG3 ( I think they do) then he will be a Brown. I’m leaning towards us not getting RG3 and going the more traditional route.
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no i agree
my point was from the Browns the Rams might just want 4th, 22nd and say the 4th rounder from Atlanta, where as from us they might ask for far more (6th overall, 2nd rounder, 4th rounder, 1st next year and 3rd next year…or young players) since our draft pick can’t guarantee them one of those picks.
If I’m the Rams I ask for the value difference between Kalil/Blackmon/Caliborne (and I think CB isn’t as big of a priority) and the next guy at each position on the list.
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by Steve Shoup on Jan 17, 2012 10:28 PM EST up reply actions
Who then? If the draft goes as I predict.
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by Diesel44 on Jan 17, 2012 8:44 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Well, first of all I don't think the draft goes as you predicted
Mike Holmgren is not using all the picks he so craftfully obtained to move up. He will build this team in other ways, before giving away picks on a QB; it’s just not his nature.
Aside from what the Browns do, if we don’t move up for a QB, which I think we’ll try hard to do, if RG3 is not there for us when we draft, we will move back. There is no way we take Reiff at #6………no way. It would be a horrible idea. I’d rather live with Brown for another season. I personally don’t like Reiff that much anyways. I’m a much bigger fan of Martin. If we were to move back, I’d rather take him. Personally, I like some of the 2nd round tackles much better anyways. I like Adcock, but Potter would be ideal in our system(much better fit than Reiff IMO. I’d even like to move back , and if need be, attempt to draft Konz or DeCastro in the middle of the 1st over Reiff that early.
If we had to stay put, and draft at #6, I probably take Claiborne or Kirk, whichever one was avaliable. Honestly though, I don’t think we’ll be in that position. It’s going to be a trade up, or trade back.
Crying Lion
This is what I don't get
You say that Mike Holmgren won’t give up ‘extra picks’ he acquired to move up and get a QB and you say that he will build his team in other ways. But you are completely of the mindset that Shanny will trade up, despite not really having extra picks. Why?
I think we are both in agreement that the Browns are further along than we are, and they’d have to give up less than we would, but you don’t think that is a good idea for them. But it is a good idea for the Skins, who’d have to pay a higher price and have less to work with.
Also both Holmgren and Shanny were hired at the same time, and the Browns have a worse overall record (9 wins to 11 wins).
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You say that Mike Holmgren won’t give up ‘extra picks’ he acquired to move up and get a QB and you say that he will build his team in other ways. But you are completely of the mindset that Shanny will trade up, despite not really having extra picks. Why?
Because Colt McCoy is servicable; Rex or Beck are not
Crying Lion
I don't know their numbers are pretty even
Looking at this past year, their completion percentage was roughly the same, but Grossman averaged an extra yard per attempt than McCoy. Grossman had a higher TD% but also a higher INT %. McCoy had a higher sack percentage and more fumbles.
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Tiller said, "I personally don’t like Reiff that much anyways. I’m a much bigger fan of Martin. If we were
to move back I’d rather take him.“Reiff has much better speed for the ZBS than Martin and the Skins could use some OL speed on the right side. While the combine times are not available yet, I expect Reiff’s 40 yard and the 20 and 10 splits to be a lot faster than Martin’s ”http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Pair-of-Stanford-linemen-set-to-succeed-at-the-next-level.html" target="_blank">http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Pair-of-Stanford-linemen-set-to-succeed-at-the-next-level.html. The combines will go a lot further to support the various draft options.
The clock speeds do not prove much in the case of the Raider’s Bruce Campbell. Yet Campbell did not have that much playing experience at Maryland. On the other hand Trent Williams can move with the best of the OL on those outside stretch plays when healthy.
by Jefferson1935 on Jan 18, 2012 6:21 PM EST up reply actions
Cowboys went 9th overall last year i don't hear them complaining. The 49ers spent the 7th overall pick on a situational pass rusher and it seems to have worked out pretty well for them.
look at it this way. The Cards last year had major needs at CB and OT (actually their entire o-line outside of center) and they took Patrick Peterson. Imagine where they would be if they took Tyron Smith? Yes I know Peterson won them some games on Special teams, but he was pretty awful as a CB. Smith was a plug an play guy and was simply awesome, and well worth the value even at RT.
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by Steve Shoup on Jan 17, 2012 10:14 PM EST up reply actions
Yes, and there will prob be a switch made between him and Free in the near future.
Free is more suited at Right T.
Crying Lion
and so might TW...i fail to see how there is a difference, outside of the fact that TW is even more of a risk than Free given the suspension hanging over his head.
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what does Williams draft status matter?
if he’s not doing the job it is meaningless. Also the Cowboys gave Doug Free even more money than we gave TW so there is a correlation.
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He's done a better job that Okung
do you advocate the hawks drafting another LT to fill in for him, and have him move to the right side to replace the very poor carpenter?
Crying Lion
now I don't think Okung has become all-world by any means, but he's been better than TW
and if Reiff or Martin are there, I’d absolutely recommend that the Seahawks draft them, and put one of them or Okung at RT and Carpenter at G.
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by Steve Shoup on Jan 18, 2012 10:21 PM EST up reply actions
Thank you
OT with 6th overall is duuuuuuumb
by mr.snyderhireme on Jan 18, 2012 3:08 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
well thought out argument
any other positions that are more value?
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Sorry but one of THE best investments you can make on a football team is in quality linemen
It’s simply a fact that games are won and lost based on how well you protect your own QB and get after the opposing QB
No way do you spend a 6th overall pick on a OT
by mr.snyderhireme on Jan 18, 2012 3:06 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Sorry but one of THE best investments you can make on a football team is in quality linemen
It’s simply a fact that games are won and lost based on how well you protect your own QB and get after the opposing QB
WHY DO SOME PEOPLE WANT FLYNN
It is so unwise of a move when we can trade up to get our franchise QB in RG3 , do you want to have a losing team by trying to get flynn ? Look flynn had one good game and it was behind a great offensive line plus the kid had a ton of good recievers which we still dont have on either ends . You risk our team for a unproven back up QB in flynn can you say ( john beck ) . We are in the BEST position we will ever be in to pick a great QB by moving up a few notches , because you dont have many chances like we do now to get RG3 . If we got flynn right now he would turn into a kevin kolb look how goods he is ? Eagles screwed us like they did arizona . Pick a QB from the draft while we can at this high of a spot , stop wasting time on a unproven guy who was behind a great offense like greenbay . If flynn was behind our line he would get killed and we will be without a good QB once again , see this is why our team keeps losing because of these types of moves can you say donavan mcnabb ?
Parks, cue the gentleman spanking the horse please.
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by Parks Smith on Jan 17, 2012 6:10 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
haha thank you sir
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for some reason, when anyone says haha I hear Nelson's voice frm the Simpsons
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rg3 is proven?
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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Jan 17, 2012 6:25 PM EST up reply actions
He won a Valero Alamo Bowl!
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what if we can't trade up for RGIII??
what does trading for McNabb and signing Flynn have anything in common?
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They both have played QB in the NFL
unlike any draft pick. I think RG3 is a great prospect, but if Shanny thinks that Flynn is the way to go, I’m going to assume he knows more about it than me.
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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Jan 17, 2012 6:50 PM EST up reply actions
i just also think the cost to trade up will be too great for Shanny to consider
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Your comments about Kalil, Blackmon, and Claiborne being valuable prospects that will be gone by the 6th pick
Makes me think this too. The Rams will not take a reasonable price to move back to 6 and possibly miss out on all these guys
yeah i just don't see why they would from us. From the Browns I get it, but from us it doesn't make much sense
and the whole ‘make them an offer they can’t refuse’ idea probably means it is an offer we have no business making.
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The Rams have so many holes that n eed to be filled
The firther they slip back, the better the return will be for them. I see no reason that Holmgren, a guy thats known to be frugil with draft picks, will mortgage any to move up two spots. We trade with someone. If not the Rams, than the Vikes. One of the two.
Still, I’m not certain my any means that the Browns will take RG3. Just not buying it.
Crying Lion
yes the Rams could fill more holes, but they could decide that rebuilding behind Matt Kalil or Justin Blackmon is the way to go, and they are guaranteed to do that at 4, not at 6.
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What about Reiff? Why couldn't they take him at 6
makes a lot more sense than us taking him at 6. Your so high on him; whats wrong with them drafting him, and moving Saffold to RT?
Crying Lion
there's nothing wrong with it, but the point is if the Rams have to trade back out of getting Kalil or Balckmon its going to cost QUITE a bit more
they might take a fair market deal from the Browns b/c they can still land a star, but if they have to go back further they could miss out on both those guys and will need to be compensated.
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by Steve Shoup on Jan 18, 2012 10:23 PM EST up reply actions
Its easy for us to say "say no to Flynn" but...
If you were coach and you were going into your 3rd year, record is 11-21 after 2 years. Are you telling me you wouldn’t consider signing Matt Flynn? Say you trade up to get RG3, do you think RG3 will get you more than 6 wins with a tougher schedule than you had in your previous year? I’m not saying get Flynn or trade up to get RG3. I just want people to look at the scenario of getting Flynn logically. Beside someone is going to pony up and get Flynn. What if it does pan out? There is examples on both sides of the spectrum? Scott Mitchell/Trent Green, Kevin Kolb/Mark Brunell, Matt Cassell (??)/Drew Brees
If you were a coach, going into your third year
and you already traded for a aging vet, and it failed. And you already signed a free agent to be your starter, and it failed. You’d better have a better plan than Flynn, or you might not make it to the preseason.
Crying Lion
signing Rex Grossman and signing Matt Flynn are two entirely different things
that is like saying the Redskins shouldn’t sign a guard b/c Artis Hicks didnt’ workout out, or they’d be crazy to sign a receiver b/c Joey Galloway was a bust.
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For the little we know about Flynn
he could be worse than Grossman. Thats the point. We don’t know. We have very little(college or pro)to rate him on.
Crying Lion
but we've seen sample size lead us astray as well i.e. Adam Archleta
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I'm surprised you are taking this stance
knowing how much you put into film and real game eval.
Crying Lion
how would that differ my stance? I watched the whole NFL replay of that Packers game and Flynn was brilliant
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by Steve Shoup on Jan 18, 2012 10:24 PM EST up reply actions
RG3 might not be our Franchise QB
There are some flaws to his game, if we were to trade up for someone like Luck, that is a different story, but Colts are not going to part ways withthat pick. We need to be patient, we have many other needs, such as an improved offensive line. I think many talented rookie QB’s careers were shottened do to going to a team with week offensive lines. Look at Alex Smith this year with a stellar Offensive line and the right system. His career has been resurected. I say pick up Flynn and trade down and build up the offensive line and add depth elsewhere. We need to find an eventual replacement for Fletcher. We could find replacements for Davis and Landry if they leave through free agency. We could also stock pile picks for next year and go after Matt Barkley .
by A Connecticut Redskin on Jan 20, 2012 10:18 AM EST up reply actions
One of the top WR or CB's would get picked if no RGIII, trade up, or trade down.
No way a RT gets picked that high.
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by Copious 1 on Jan 17, 2012 5:47 PM EST via Android app reply actions
Jeffery or Floyd aren't worth the top 6 pick, and while Blackmon is awesome, he's not as big or tall as we'd like
a stud RT (who is actually probably more capable than our LT) is extremely valuable. Look at the resources people are putting on the right side to get to the QB, why shouldn’t we ensure that we have a real option there?
Finally a RT (or any offensive lineman for that matter) is involved in every single offensive play, positions like WR’s and CB’s have a lot of value on passing plays, and near zero value on running plays (CB’s have more than WR’s, but it is still pretty minimal). That means 40-45% of your snaps they aren’t at a high value.
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a couple points
1. i’d say there is about a 50% chance that Reiff either outplays TW or TW messes up off the field that makes Reiff the LT.
2. Look at Andre Smith, Tyron Smith etc. Maybe they weren’t thought of as RT’s when drafted (though Tyron Smith was), but the team couldn’t pass up their value.
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by Steve Shoup on Jan 17, 2012 10:16 PM EST up reply actions
Bad example on Andre
You and I both know what he was drafted to be. He just couldn’t handle it, prompting the switch.
I already mentioned about Smith and Free above.
Crying Lion
yes but part of the issue is b/c Whitworth has preformed extremely well at LT
the difference is here, Reiff can probably outplay TW, so if anything TW is the ‘Andre Smith’ in this equation.
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There are no facts what so ever to even remotely back this statement up.
If I’m the judge, I tell the jury to disregard what they have just heard.
Crying Lion
you don't think Whitworth has performed well at LT?? how is that even debateable?
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I'm talking about this:
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Reiff can probably outplay TW, so if anything TW is the ‘Andre Smith’ in this equation
Crying Lion
Its not exactly a stretch to imagine that Reiff could outplay TW
Reiff had a better college career, and grades out well in every category. And TW hasn’t done anything to show that he is worthy of the LT spot just yet. He’s had a couple really good games, but also some pretty bad ones. Throw in the injuries, costly penalties, and suspension and we aren’t exactly setting the bar too high.
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by Steve Shoup on Jan 18, 2012 10:26 PM EST up reply actions
Reach or not I would not mind Reiff early. As long as QB is addressed somehow
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There are better OT's for our system than Reiff though
Iowa is a smash-mouth team, that relies on power football. They rarely zone block. They play a “rule” blocking system, which is a gap, on, over near blocking scheme with a lot of traps and pulls. Reiff is solid in technique, and was well coached, but he is limited with his footwork.
Could he work…….yes. Is he the best fit……….IMO, no. No sense to reach at #6, for a guy who isn’t our best option at the position.
Crying Lion
Disagree Iowa runs a lot of Zone Blocking as well
and Reiff is very athletic and very gifted in pass blocking.
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Yes, and he could make a good LT for a needy team
We already have our blindside protector. No Way we use a 6th on a “gifted” pass protector, when we already have the most athletic LT in the league.
Crying Lion
who cares how athletic he is if he doesn't put in the effort to reach his potential
in two years TW still isn’t in the top 15 of LT’s in the league (not even counting the negative value of the suspension and those missed games).
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Pot smoking aside
TW imporved this past season. If your ready to give up on the kid, you’d be the only one. Personally I know your not ready to give up on him. I know you like him, and I know what you think of his potential and upside. I know you may think many of the things we debate go right in one ear, and out the other, but I remember the things you said about this kid, and I know your not ready to give up on him after two years.
You may be able to fool someone else, but not me on this one.
Crying Lion
i'm not sure what you are referencing since I made the same arguments last year that Tyron Smith should be the Skins pick at 10 if he was there
I do like TW and see the potential, but he’s not at or even near elite status just yet. Does he have that potential? Sure, but I’m not going to just assume he gets there given his lack of work ethic and off the field issues. I’ve said for sometime that he might be best served at RT (and be simply dominant there).
If both TW and Reiff are elite then all the better.
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by Steve Shoup on Jan 18, 2012 10:31 PM EST up reply actions
Great arguement
But we already have TW at LT, and that’s where he’s staying. The footwork on the left side is different than on the right when protecting a QB’s blind side. TW has the footwork, and the attitude to go along with it. If Reiff is as good as you think he is, don’t you believe he’s better suited to play the left side?
Aside from the Cowboys last year, name me a team in the last 10 years, who drafted a guy to play RT in the top ten of the draft? The only guy that I can even think of(and I’m too lazy right now to look up where he was drafted)is the kid from the 49ers Anthony Davis. Was he top 10? I forgot.
Crying Lion
Obviously you are not a professional
because you didn’t draft three wide receivers in the second round.
If Shanny does decide to go the Flynn route, I wouldn’t be at all surprised to see them go QB in the second round as well.
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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Jan 17, 2012 6:17 PM EST reply actions
haha
i wouldn’t be surprised by a QB as well. But I wanted to look at other options as well. If they sign Flynn, and a guy like Barron falls Shanny might pass on a QB. Now if they trade back in the 1st and add some additional 2nd and 3rd round picks, then I def. think they’ll add a QB, but if they don’t add the extra picks Shanny might look for more instant starters with his early picks.
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If this was the "Flynn" situation, I'd take the guard from Stanford.
Or Trent Richardson.
I see it as more cushion for the pushin'
by iH8dallas on Jan 17, 2012 7:05 PM EST via mobile reply actions
DeCastro is a tremendous talent, but guard is a position we can fill in free agency or at least can cobble together a roster
RT we have nothing. I know some people are high on Willie Smith, but he didn’t have the great games that people try to proclaim, and he got ABUSED against Philly. Really interesting guy for down the road, but no way should he be counted on for next year.
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The 6 spot just seems high for a tackle.
Especially when we took one at #4 two years ago.
Personally, I’d like to see Richardson at six if he’s sitting there. He’d be an absolute force in this running scheme.
I see it as more cushion for the pushin'
by iH8dallas on Jan 17, 2012 7:14 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
no i understand that
but remember we just took an OLB, despite taking one two years ago. Now yes we traded back (and that would be my preference) but we still choose to complete a position last year, despite LOLB’s not being as ‘valuable’ as ROLB’s.
I love Richardson, but its just not Shanny’s style, and with Helu and Royster in the fold the Skins have the makings of a nice backfield. I also look at it that if the Skins want to add to their backfield they can easily do so with signing of a RB or drafting a mid-round guy. It’s not nearly as easy to fill the RT void. There are really only two FA’s (and one is expected to be resigned or franchised) that I’d even consider for the RT role, where as there are 10 or more backs who could come in and make an impact.
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oh i'd be thrilled
I’ll be very interested to watch Adcock at the Senior Bowl, he struggled some down the stretch for the Cowboys, so I think he’s fallen a little bit, but the Senior Bowl could raise his stock again.
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by Steve Shoup on Jan 17, 2012 10:17 PM EST up reply actions
He struggled?
He got moved to LT, and played excellent. He made every major all-american team(only O-linemen to do so).
Your way off-base on this comment.
Crying Lion
he was def. not as good at LT as RT, and the Bowl game proved that
Right now I think Adcock is more of a 3rd rounder, esp. with Massie declaring. I still like him, but I wonder about his fit for this system given his limited athletic ability.
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He's not that bad an athlete Steve
He doesn’t look the greatest in a uniform, but neither does TW, and look at the athlete he is.
Crying Lion
i see some struggles there, i think he needs a strong Senior Bowl and Combine to get back to the 2nd round discussion
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by Steve Shoup on Jan 18, 2012 10:32 PM EST up reply actions
I don't know what you saw this season
that all the coaches, players and sports writers missed then. I’ll repeat, the guy was the ONLY offensive linemen to make every major AA team in 2011.
Crying Lion
I like the WR from GT.
Those guys are good.
I see it as more cushion for the pushin'
by iH8dallas on Jan 17, 2012 7:07 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Yeah not too shabby at producing WR's these last few years
he really is a physical freak, check out this catch http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rcs-iqymQrk
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Remember, apparently some high-ranking people with the Redskins were interested in Flynn.
I see it as more cushion for the pushin'
by iH8dallas on Jan 17, 2012 7:17 PM EST via mobile reply actions
i tell ya how
trade our first 1 and 2nd round pick and a 2nd rounder next year to the browns for their pick this year
so if RGIII was on the board for us and the Dolphins offered us the same deal would you take it?
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by Steve Shoup on Jan 17, 2012 10:18 PM EST up reply actions
That's a lot more
Than the trade value chart. Chart says a first and third is more than enough.
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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Jan 18, 2012 12:54 AM EST up reply actions
the problem is that chart is just a guide, and routinely ignored
also now with the rookie cap, the value of the top picks has skyrocketed.
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Typical Steve draft
Two of the first three picks used on linemen, and one a poor one at that. I like how you SNEAK a few WR’s in there in rounds 4 and 5. Nice touch!
Crying Lion
not sure how I 'sneaked' receivers into the draft
its an incredibly deep receiver year and it isn’t nearly the need of our O-line (or safeties)
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by Steve Shoup on Jan 17, 2012 10:19 PM EST up reply actions
Let's see Gaffney, Moss, Hankerson and Paul
vs. TW, Licht, Monty, Chester, and Willie Smith? Not to mention resigning Fred Davis and having a healthy Cooley back, can make up for some of receiving value, no one can make up for the lack of offensive linemen.
And finally O-line is quite a bit more valuable than WR’s
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so says a lot of people
but lets see Offensive linemen: Play every single snap if not injured, WR’s: not so much. As proof just 5 WR’s played in 1,000 or more snaps this season, while 34 OT’s, 30 G’s and 20 C’s broke the 1,000 snap mark.
Offensive linemen are involved in every single play run or pass. Even if the ball is run away from them, what they do impacts the play. WR’s have little or no impact on rushing plays, and even the pass plays they don’t always have full impact. Only 28 receivers were targeted 100 or more times this year, and only 13 120 or more times. That means they might be the primary target on just 25% (give or take) of a teams passes. Sure they are out on the other routes and drawing coverage etc. but that isn’t nearly as important as the time an olineman is giving the QB.
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by Steve Shoup on Jan 18, 2012 10:42 PM EST up reply actions
So I see you want Landry out of DC
great!!! I’ll assume you want Davis gone too. Actually, we should just get rid of all out top players, and downgrade everywhere.
Crying Lion
unless Landry comes back at an extremely team friendly deal (which I think should be for more than one year, since one year is meaningless to the Redskins)
why bother?
As for Davis, I think they should keep him, but his contract should be structured so as to assure that we don’t get burned if he gets caught again. If he doesn’t like that, then let him leave. Davis is good, but his lack of consistent blocking and disappearing acts show that he is a ‘must keep’
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by Steve Shoup on Jan 17, 2012 10:22 PM EST up reply actions
i think you think you are mocking my statement, but in fact you are proving it
we can’t risk signing Landry for a year and him not being healthy or effective, b/c we don’t have good secondary talent. If we had 3 high quality starters (not even great players, but 3 guys on the level of Wilson), plus some decent depth, then sure. B/c if Landry busts the rest of the guys can make up for it.
And here is the other problem. The best case scenario is that Landry does ‘return to form’ next year, but then he’s a free agent and we need to sign him to a massive contract. There is no winning, situation for the Skins.
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awesome SBN way to post the whole comment...
my point is you are right we don’t have talent there, so we can’t risk signing someone if they might not play.
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it really isn't even close to the same situation
Rogers was highly productive for us. Sure he didn’t catch INT’s like he is doing now, but he was a very good cover corner. He had no major health issues, and not a risk at all.
Landry on the other hand is a ton of hype with little to show for it. Yes he was looking like a Pro bowler through the first half of 2010, but he got injured, and even as good as he was looking he still struggled in coverage. This year same issues occurred. The Skins simply can’t rely on him to be healthy and be a better cover guy. They should move on and let some other team risk it.
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by Steve Shoup on Jan 18, 2012 10:48 PM EST up reply actions
I think you 100% incorrect on Landry
In 2010, when he was healthy, he was much better in coverage, and was a damn force in run support. Don’t forget, his first few years, he was playing out of place at FS. The kid is a SS, with 4.3 speed. Damn, that’s one hell of a combination. When healthy, he’s shown how good he can be at the position, especially when Haslett uses him in blitz packages, and playes him close to the LOS.
There is no arguing it. Landry is a weapon, and a damn good SS. He needs to get healhty first and foremost, but re-signing him has to be a priority. If we want to draft a developmental FS later in the draft; no problem with me. Lets not just give up on our young players, because they suffered, and tried to play through injury.
He knows us, we know him. He knows our scheme, and the style of defense Hasslett likes to play. Lets re-sign him, lets him get healthy(which he has pleanty of time to do), and let hi do his thing. I’d be so pissed if we let him go, and he went on to have a pro bowl type of career with another team.
Landry, Fletch and davis need to be re-signed, no matter what.
You don’t go giving up on a 6’ 220lb SS, who runs in the high 4.3’s, and can be a force when healthy.
Crying Lion
Fine, but for a reasonable price
You don’t go giving up on a 6’ 220lb SS, who runs in the high 4.3’s, and can be a force when healthy.
You don’t pay a SS who has missed 15 of his last 32 games, and been hampered by injury for the past full calendar year, top dollar on a new contract.
by StephanHart on Jan 19, 2012 10:50 AM EST up reply actions
We all know he's good when he's healthy
and he’s proven that; unlike a certain QB I’m not going to mention, that you, and a few others, are fine throwing 10 million/year at, when he’s started just 2 games, and only really looked great in one.
Crying Lion
Premium meaning, more than the other positions on the field
I agree, Matt Flynn shouldn’t be paid top QB by the Redskins, but the organization should be willing to pay Flynn more than LaRon Landry.
by StephanHart on Jan 20, 2012 12:35 PM EST up reply actions
actually it's not a premium price for a premium QB
look at what the top guys get, Flynn should be getting $3-6 million less per year, and his guarantee is going to be about $15 million less than what they get.
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Reiff
Im not in love with this pick but i agree with the idea that teams are loading up on pash rushers from the right side now and a solid guy there is just as valuable as the left. I would be more inclined to draft claiborne if he falls but i realize that is a stretch. Would molk or ben jones be better options with the 3rd round pick?
In my mock I had both Claiborne off the board for the Skins at 6 and Jones off the board for the Skins in the 3rd round
Honestly I would still really consider OT over Claiborne, since I view it as a bigger need, and of greater importance.
Honestly I look at the offensive line like a pitching rotation in baseball. And I think there are two key similarities.
1. You are never going to just get by with 5 guys, so you need good quality depth.
2. While the Ace (i.e. LT) is most important he only makes up 1/5th of the equation, and you can’t win with just a great (which the Skins don’t even have yet) number 1 and nothing else. You need at least 3 good-great starters to really compete, and that is where the Skins are severely lacking.
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by Steve Shoup on Jan 17, 2012 10:34 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe if we needed a LT, yes, I would agree
but not a RT, especially when there are 2-3 we could target in the 2nd, that would be just as good, and a much better value.
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well they wouldn't be 'just as good' and we might need a LT.
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Come on man
Stop with this “we might need a LT”. We have our guy already. Until something happens to him, we don’t need a LT.
You can argue this point until your blue in the face, but it was just not a good choice.
Crying Lion
why wasn't it a good choice?
Even if Reiff only were a RT, it is still an excellent choice b/c guess what we need that.
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by Steve Shoup on Jan 18, 2012 10:49 PM EST up reply actions
It not a good choice
when we already have our LT of the future(who happens to be going into his 3rd year), and we have went decades without an elite QB. Who says nest season we are going to be this high in the draft? What if we are .500, and are picking in the mid teens? There is another season without an elite prospect at QB. I just don’t understand, who someone who admits that the most important position on a team is an Elite QB, can be fine going decades with drafting one. Doesn’t make sense to me.
I completely understand that your a proponent of building the lines, and the though of us again not getting a top QB prospect, and having a chance to get an OT early again, must make you giddy. Point is, we are at the 6th position in the draft. There may not be a better chance for us to attempt to get a elite QB prospect(and I think we can all agree, that Luck and RG3 are elite prospects), so I believe we need to at least make a fighing attempt to go up and get one of these guys. If it means we are without a 1st and 3rd in 2013, so be it. It’s not like we don’t need a QB.
To sacrifice one draft, in order to get a guy who can be the future of the franchise, at the teams most important position, is a small price to pay.
The other major problem I have with the RT pick at #6, is that there are guys in the 2nd, who are natural RT’s(Potter, Adcock, Adams), that we could target. If anything, move the hell back in the first(if we strike out on a QB), and go for some value picks.
If out team had not spent the #4 overall on TW in 2010, and we were starved for a stud LT, I wouldn’t critize this move as much. The fact that we already made a significant investment in our future in TW, leads me to believe the coaches feel he can hold down that spot for th next decade or more. I see absolutely NO reason to consider moving TW at this point. To draft Reiff to play RT, is much too high at pick #6, especially considering we have one of the worst skill position rosters in the entire NFL.
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iH8dallas
Remember, apparently some high-ranking people with the Redskins were interested in Flynn.
I see it as more cushion for the pushin’
by iH8dallas on Jan 17, 2012 4:17 PM PST via mobile reply Rec Flag
Where did yo get this info from? I read tons of things gaily about the Redskins and have not seen anything about people with the Redskins wanting Flynn
I forgot who, Chris Russell maybe,but it was a regular Redskins beat guy.
They tweeted it after the Detroit game.
I see it as more cushion for the pushin'
by iH8dallas on Jan 17, 2012 9:01 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Dude really?
You do know that no matter what. If a player is hot and a free agent someone always says the Redskins want him.Last year we were going after Nnamdi and Jenkins. If people are saying it….its not gonna happen. Nobody tells the truth right now. But still have not heard anything about it. And that was many weeks ago Think you just want Flynn and your trying to convince other people we will get him.
was this to me or 'IH8"?
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by Steve Shoup on Jan 17, 2012 10:36 PM EST up reply actions
Don't try to rationalize Reiff as your first pick
You’ll get murdered for it like I did. To most Redskins fans, it’s Griffin or bust in the upcoming draft.
Dont make it like everyone are crazed fans
Brutus there is are many reason so many people are s high on Griffin. And just because they out number people of your thinking doesnt mean your getting murdered. Your just in the minority so of course many people think your wrong. If you cant handle people disagreeing then maybe you shouldnt post. But dont try and discourage others from posting because you got your feelings hurt.
Hey man
Can you please use the reply button. It’ll make it alot easier to know who you’re talking to
Infuse the team with top talent.
The more young talent the better, we do not have the talent right now to trade picks in order to get that one key piece… If RG3 is there at 6 get him, if he isnt pick the best available at a need position ie. CB or OT and move on from there. We are not were the Falcons are personnel wise. Maybe by next draft if some of the young pups emerge as threats but as of right now there isnt many players on our roster that scares people. Keep getting younger, build thru the draft and once we do that we will be perennial contenders instead of a playoff team twice every 10 years.
If we took Reiff at #6, and ignored the QB spot in the draft
I think Redskins fans would burn down the new practice bubble.
Crying Lion
We need a QB and a WR with our top two picks.
We can find decent linemen in the 3rd and 4th round.
and you can't find decent WR's there??
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you can
but i feel like we need playmaking WRs and I doubt there are going to be any in the middle rounds. I’d rather have an elite WR and an average OL than an elite lineman and an average WR.
i'm sorry, but elite linemen are the best thing for a team outside an elite QB
if we already had a couple and just needed to fill out the line, i’d understand, but we don’t have any right now.
And i def. think you can still find some very talented WR’s in the mid-late rounds.
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So since you are finally agreeing that an elite QB is the best thing for a team
why then are you OK with the mundane, pedestrian, average type QB? I was watching Clayton on ESPN two nights ago talking about the Saints situation in FA. He was talking about their cap, and how much of it woud be eaten up by re-signing Brees(18-19mill/year). He also talked about the importance of re-signing Colston of Meachum. He then went on to say how it was going to be tough for the Saints to re-sign Nicks, since they already have one of the highest paid G’s in football. They said it would be nice for them to re-sign all, but it just wasn’t going to happen.
Why not sign Nicks, and even though I’m not behind this 100%, sign you guy Myers. Then we have a nice solid group, and it cost us nothing in the draft. Instead of wasting the money on flynn, we could prob sign these two linemen, re-sign our guys like Fletch, Landry and Davis, then go into the draft with our eye on the “elite” QB; be it Luck or RG3. In my opinion, this makes a lot more sense than signing Flynn, and drafting Reiff. Maybe, we could use the 3rd on a RT(you say Adcock could be there, I say no way), but there are some other prospects who may fit. If not, go with the Youth in Willie Smith. At least he’s being put on a strong unit, and will be playing along with Chester/Licht, Myers, Nicks, TW.
This to me, is the best of both worlds.
Crying Lion
I have no problem signing either Nicks or Grubbs and then Myers
but i’m against trading up for a QB, it costs far too much in resources, and we have too many needs going forward. We can’t fill them all in free agency esp if you want to target the Nicks and Bowe’s of the class.
Honestly my preference is to trade back and try to fix as many needs as possible with talking a young QB to develop. But I like the Flynn route as well, since the draft is such a crap shoot.
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You are missing the big picture
The point of trading up, is to have a shot at the “elite” guy, which we haven’t had in DC. We own it to ourselves to give it a run. One draft will be forgoten overnight if RG3 or Luck live up to 3/4 the hype. It would be a major investment in our future, and would have far more impact than a RT on the game. You mentioned to me who many snaps a RT takes on the field. Well, a QB takes every one. And, he has the ball in this hands on every play. He alone, can dictate the temp, rhythm, timing, execution, and outcome of each and every football game. You can say this about no other player on the team.
We need to stop thinking cheap, and go get what we have been waiting for for decades. Let me give you a hint; it’s not a RT.
Crying Lion
well QB's hand it off between 40-45% of the time
but i understand your point. But trading up and sacrificing multiple drafts isn’t an option. Even if it is just this year and next year for RGIII. We have WAY too many needs to consider that.
we need a:
QB
4 OL (could get by with 3, but lets be honest)
1-3 WR’s (more long term, with Moss and Gaffney likely gone after next year)
1-2 DL
1 ILB
FS
SS
2 CB’s
and that doesn’t really take into account depth at most of these positions, plus RB and TE. Now they won’t all be addressed this year, but hopefully by next year they can be. If you make the trade up for Griffin than you will address QB, and maybe 3-6 of the other needs (number depending on the price of the free agents) and maybe one other starting need and some of the depth needs in the next two years. That still leaves quite a bit to solve.
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Steve...
Now they won’t all be addressed this year
You admit that this is constantly a work in progress, yet you still promote…
That still leaves quite a bit to solve
We know that. We have said repeatedly, NO team has all the best players at every position. We are looking for a great collection of guys, some overcoming the deficiences of others. Our stance, as you know, is that the QB can overcome the deficiences of WRs, etc., whereas how do WRs overcome deficiences in QB (Flynn)? It is the dispersment of $$$ across the board, coming up with the best mixture.
We will always have holes to fill. Anyone who says anything else is stupid. We are talking about the team foundation, with the QB the cornerstone of that. As we have seen with our own eyes, an elite QB can elevate a defense, OL, WR group…
by jgibbsfan1 on Jan 19, 2012 11:16 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
A lot of the playes you listed as need
will be for depth. We don’t need 2 starting CB’s, 1-2 starting DL, a starting LB, 3 starting O-linemen. Our immediate need for starters is at QB, WR, and a interior linemen.
Crying Lion
we def. need 3 starting linemen, in fact we need 4
we need one starting CB and a nickle back, which is essentially a starter. We need 2 DL who can rotate in heavily if need be. ILB is more of a grooming thing, but still a priority.
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okay, even if that were true about 'having our LT', we don't have an RT and that is still more valuable than a WR
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by Steve Shoup on Jan 18, 2012 10:50 PM EST up reply actions
do you have his number?
what does that prove? Look how many wins the Lions have had each year before this? Look at how many wins the Cards have with Fitzy.
Building an offensive line is paramount for a teams success (see NE, GB, BAL, NO, TEXANS etc.)
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QB was hurt bro
It happens. It sucks, but it happens. Look what he did this year when healthy.
Crying Lion
but you are assuming it is all QB and WR
Look at the Texans Matt Schaub played over half of his season without Andre Johnson, yet at the time of his injury he was a top 5 rated QB, despite throwing the ball to the likes of Kevin Walter and Jones.
Again look at Fitzgerald, he had the exact same yards per reception as CJ, but just 16 less catches. That is essentially what we are talking about. Johnson had a QB, and better offensive line (not great, but better), and that is why he was in the playoffs. We have no idea if Kolb or Skelton are the real deal, b/c they were essentially running for their lives on every play.
I would love to have a stud receiver on my team, but not until my offensive line can actually protect my QB. And whether I’m signing Flynn or drafting Griffin/Tannehill/whomever, my top priority will be to protect him, not give him a shiny toy that he can never use.
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Can't argue that those are position of needs
and yes this is based on getting Flynn in Free Agency. I might piss myself if we were to gett Barron in the 2nd and Broyles in the 5th, but have to agree QB would have to be drafted earlier than what you indicate. That literally is Colt Brennan territory there :).
haha well i think Coleman is just a bit better than Brennan in terms of long term potential (as in he has some, while Brennan did not)
i wanted to go QB earlier, and I considered Cousins and Weeden in the 3rd or Lindley in the 5th, but thought i’d fill more pressing needs. If the draft did play out this way, I’d guess drafting a young QB in the rounds 2-4 would be a priority for 2013 even if Flynn has a good year.
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Lindley reminds
meof a bad Jay Schroeder. I would not mind seeing Harnish either as the developmental guy
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Lindley will also be under Shanny at the Senior Bowl so it will be interesting to see how that plays out.
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by Steve Shoup on Jan 18, 2012 10:51 AM EST up reply actions
Assuming Flynn is taken in FA
We could get the guys you mentioned (maybe a different RT), plus Tannehill by trading back.
Nicks or Grubbs and maybe a C in FA and I’d be happy.
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by Stephen Beagrie on Jan 18, 2012 7:50 AM EST reply actions
i def. agree that the trade back plan is the best option
and a Flynn, Grubbs, and Center Free agency would go a long way to making this team a contender.
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If Blackmon is on the board at #6 as it is on your mock
and the Redskins don’t trade up, I really don’t see us passing on him…or at least trading down for someone else to snag him like the Jags, Bills, Eagles, or Jets.
I also don’t think there’s any chance at us not taking a QB in the first three rounds, whether it’s Foles or Tannehill or someone in between, especially if Tannehill is available at our #2 pick as you have him in your draft. Even if we do sign Flynn.
i def. wouldn't take Blackmon given the bigger needs at other positions, but I do agree he'd be an EXCELLENT trade chip
in basically all my mocks I’ve had them go QB in the 2nd, but i wanted to consider alternative possibilities, esp. if a guy like Barron fell. Remember Shanny can be a bit unpredictable, and if we sign Flynn he might not really consider a QB in the top 3 rounds.
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by Steve Shoup on Jan 18, 2012 10:01 AM EST up reply actions
Interesting
I might be tempted to go Molk in the 3rd and Fuller in the 4th. Assume your draft is based on the Skins signing Myers?
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Why on why do you people think a 6th overall pick on an OT would answer your problems
To be honest I don’t know much about Reiff but unless he’s the next Jake Long, I’ll past. Like i’ve been saying for a looooong time now….. I’d much rather go with Claiborne if he’s still their or even the top pass rusher in the draft or top linebacker, anything over drafted a dam OT with 6th overall pick.
by mr.snyderhireme on Jan 18, 2012 11:16 AM EST via mobile reply actions
where would we put the top pass rusher?
and since when do CB’s have more value than offensive linemen, particularly tackles?
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by Steve Shoup on Jan 18, 2012 11:24 AM EST up reply actions
A top notch guaranteed stud at corner is more value at the 6th overall pick
We have a left tackle in Williams…. It makes no sense spending a pick that high on a RT especially when shannys has a system where a later round OT could be just as affective, now that’s value. Claiborne would give Haslett more options and make every one else that much better especially if it gives Landry more freedom to roam. In my opinion that’s waaay more value than a RT with the 6th overall pick.
by mr.snyderhireme on Jan 18, 2012 11:15 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
one there is no such thing as a guarantee esp. at CB
last year the best rookie CB was 7th rounder Richard Sherman. Secondly having a stud any tackle (b/c right now we don’t have that at LT) is absolutely key. Until we have 2-3 top level linemen our offense is going no where.
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by Steve Shoup on Jan 18, 2012 11:22 PM EST up reply actions
How??
that makes zero sense
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It makes 100% sense
an elite cover CB is one of the most difficult position to find in the NFL. If you have that, you can single handedly shut down an opponents best WR. Revis, for example, is the best CB in the game. He’s more valuable than any RT out there.
Need any more proof, go look up the average salaries for the top 5 RT’s, vs the top 5 CB’s. Numbers, especially ones that follow dollar signs, don’t lie.
Crying Lion
dollar signs lie all the time, the Redskins extending Donovan McNabb and at the time making him the 3rd highest paid QB in the league doesn't make him play any better or have his impact any greater.
teams ignore the RT position, but it is idiotic, my guess is if you broke down all the sacks, hits and pressures in the league, a significant portion (would be coming from the right side, almost to the point of being equal to the left side. You look around the league and more and more teams are bringing heat from that side, why b/c they know teams ignore RT or sign guys like Jamaal Brown who got his money due to his name only. The Right side is usually the strong running side for most teams as well.
As for CB it might be even a bigger crapshoot than a QB, and players get overrated all the time. The chance of finding the next Revis in the first round is the equivalent to finding the next Tom Brady in the 6th round (yet one costs quite a bit more). Look at the 3 CB’s taken in the first round last year? What impact have they had? The year before? Joe Haden has been great, and Robinson looks okay, but Kareem Jackson is awful, and McCourty has taken a big step back.
And on top of that how much impact to corners have? Yes the very best can shut down their man, but they also really benefit from having a good front 7. I think this is a priority for next year (though i would take a CB or two later).
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If dollar signs lie
why do you live by them?
And I was also taking an NFL average. Go look it up. You’ll easily see my point. Maybe while yor in Mobile covering te Senior Bowl, you can ask this question to a GM. We’d be really interest to hear an NFL exect’s take.
Crying Lion
oh i fully understand that CB's get paid more than RT's
but b/c i ‘live by the $’ i understand good and poor value. You should never overpay for CB’s or WR’s when you have nothing along your offensive line. The fact teams undervalue RT’s shows to me that is exactly where the Redskins should be trying to get better at.
That is exactly the mentality of the Patriots. They were a 3-4 team in part b/c they saw the extreme value of the alignment. They saw that they would be competing with only a handful of teams for these certain players (particularly tweener college DE’s that most 4-3 teams undervalued). Now that so many teams are going to the 3-4 they are trying their hand at going back to the 4-3, b/c now teams are undervaluing 4-3 LB’s and 270-280 lbs linemen, who are too big to stand up, and too small to play the 5 tech. They took the same philosophy with the double TE’s. Teams undervalue TE’s and they were able to get them extremely cheaply (2nd and 4th round). And since no other team was running 2 TE sets like that no one was prepared for it.
If other teams are going to pass on a Riley Reiff b/c ‘people don’t take RT’s in the top 10’ then god bless them, b/c the Redskins could then have the best bookends in the league if TW develops like we all hope. And teams (like the Eagles, Cowboys and Giants) who expect to generate a certain percentage of pressure for their defense to function from the right side, will be stymied.
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I think this is only
true for “shut down” corners
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which there is at any given time
2 maybe 3 in the league
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I want you all to imagine, for a moment
Offensive Line
Williams, Nicks, Montgomery, DeCastro, Adcock (Or 2nd round OT of your choice).
Switching DeCastro and Nicks is optional if you are uncomfortable with starting 2 rookies right next to each other. A center can be had in the 2nd round of the 2013 draft. Does this line not scream excellence to you?
No.
But Matt Flynn can play QB and we have plenty of WRs. 8 on the roster if I remember correctly.
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