Manning a Redskin??
by tmarine17 on Jan 13, 2012 12:28 PM EST
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A source from ESPN that is apparently very trust worthy to Bram Weinstein thinks so!
http://bostinno.com/2012/01/13/could-peyton-manning-be-headed-to-the-washington-redskins/
If the Redskins were able to pick up both Manning and Saturday, draft a QB in the third or fourth round, say Cousins, Foles, Tannehill, etc., would you be ok with it? They could use some of the other picks to solidify the line, and grab a big time receiver in FA. The QB we draft can sit behind Peyton for a couple years and learn, like Rodgers did at Green Bay. I think it's a win win situation, as long as Peyton is healthy, and we don't have to give up a ton of draft picks.
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Yeah, I agree
and I’m still not totally sure I would do it, but it’s intriguing, especially if Manning is at least 90% healthy.
This could be the worst possible move for this franchise
I pray we don’t go this route, and I think many fans will agree. We have been there and done that, and it hasn’t worked.
Personally, I think many of these writers are linking us to anyone and everyone under the sun who’s name comes up in trade rumors, or on the free agent circuit, just because of our past history. i don’t blame the media for speculating, but I don’t think they are very credible either.
I just don’t see how a 36 year old QB, who has know one team and one system for his entire career, can be expected to come in and turn the ship around. By the time the team is ready to compete, he’ll be retired, and we’ll be back to square one.
There is no easy fix for the mess that has been the QB situation in DC over the last 20 years. We need to solidify the position through the draft. No short-cuts this time.
Crying Lion
by Tiller56 on Jan 13, 2012 12:53 PM EST reply actions 7 recs
I tend to agree with everything you are saying
but IF we were able to get a QB that we thought would be the QB of the future in two years or so, and we don’t mortgage the future, I don’t think it could be the worst possible move for the franchise. We already accomplished that with Fat Albert!!
Getting Manning is going to require a lot. I rather spend double on a draft prospect, than what it would take to bring Manning to DC for 2-3 years.
Crying Lion
Maybe
but who knows. That’s why I say only if we don’t mortgage the future. Maybe they are willing to take a pick or two, and a player.. Like I said, just saw this out there and figured I would put on the site to see how many people would yell at me.
Not that people would yell at you
I just think most feel we need youth and change, and that needs to start with the most important position on our team; QB.
At this point, I don’t think I’d even want Tom Brady. I want youth, and our own draft prospect to develop.
Crying Lion
Oh, believe me
I have been watching this team for a long time and I have been preaching that we need to build through the draft, and get young, for a while now, but at the same time, I don’’t think we can get Luck or RGIII, and the other guys left would be drafted after the first round anyway, so if we don’t have to give up much, and he’s healthy, I don’t think it would be a horrible thing to do. I think it’s a long shot, but it’s worth a look. Plus, I remember trying to build for the future at QB a long time ago with a young guy, and look how that turned out.
He'd be a free agent
and could hardly get the salary he is getting in Indy. But maybe too much. There are better options, I think. But the Jets took Favre…
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I agree mostly
except this is Bram Weinstein were talking about here. he still has some Redskin connections, and I thought he was a beacon of integrity in a sea of crap (ahem….Larry Michael….)
by BAFGA on Jan 13, 2012 3:30 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Larry Michael is a paid employee of the Skins what the hell do you want him to do?
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I'd love it if Larry Michael...
would find that new intro video for home games; and destroy it….it’s so horrible, Orakpo shouldn’t have allowed him to wear his jersey for that embarassment haha
I can't imagine the Redskins or Shanahan would go down this path
There is not a single fan in the town that would think “here we go” again…I
Oh absolutely
Thats what everyone would think and you can’t blam them. Part of me would too, but like I have said, if we didn’t mortgage the future for him, and we knew for sure he’s healthy, it’s breaking Peyton Manning! You telling me you wouldn’t want him on your team?
meant wouldn't think
Just noticed the typo
by DavidDunn on Jan 14, 2012 12:12 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Yes Tmarine
Why dont we do that. Lets not change a standing tradition that has lasted 20 years. we will continue to be a below 500 team. Manning would last 2 maybe 3 games before sitting in the hospital with a broken BODY!!!!!!
You might be right
but I’m just throwing it out there to see what people think. Also, I would never do this if we can’t prove that Manning is healthy enough to play for at least 2 more seasons.
I would never do it
Healthy or not. Now, if this came up 5-6 years ago, I prob have a different opinion.
I honestly, and I’m not kidding about saying this, this this would be the Worst move for this team……………even worse than the McNabb trade.
We need to build, and we have to do it correctly. Manning is not a guy we can build around anymore. He would be a fit for a team like the Jets, or even Cowboys,who have pieces around him, and can win right now with him. We are not the Jets.
Crying Lion
Yup
The world looks mighty different when you're peeking out your belly button
by Skins Fan '77 on Jan 13, 2012 1:31 PM EST up reply actions
I don't believe this at all
But I would love to get saturday
Duck Fallas!!
by believe_the_curse on Jan 13, 2012 1:00 PM EST via mobile reply actions
He's good...
And line man are still able to play pretty good no matter age
Duck Fallas!!
by believe_the_curse on Jan 13, 2012 2:21 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
He's a center so I don't really think we need him to play at a pro bowl level
But what makes you think he WAS good?
Duck Fallas!!
by believe_the_curse on Jan 13, 2012 2:26 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Why are we expecting either to decline?
Maybe manning cuz of the surgery but he’s still an all time great. And I don’t watch game film on Jeff Saturday so I wouldn’t really be able to tell if his play is declining haha
Duck Fallas!!
by believe_the_curse on Jan 13, 2012 2:35 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
no thanks been there done that
unless they relese him and we pick him up as a free agent. but why would he wanna come here he’s got plenty of money already if they trade him it will probally be to the nfc but if they cut him hes going to try and win a superbowl i could see him going to the jets/fins/49rs.unless he just want to play eli twice a year
For this to even be feasible, it would hinge on a couple major things
1. Manning being healthy enough to play….there seems to be no guarantee of that
2. Would he even want to play for another team?….I think he stated he wouldnt play in the same divsion as Eli
3. The cost of the trade…..giving up even 2 high picks for a 36 year old injured QB is bad business
4. The cost of his contract….does the franchise want to pay him $28 million?
I’m hoping this is an easy decision by Bruce and Mike. Unless he’s totally healthy, hungry to play, and comes relatively cheap….just say NO
SURE WHY NOT GET MANNING
Just what our team needs is to be set back for another good 20 years , thats the way i want our team to go . While we are at it why dont we trade all of our good young players for old washed up guys and over pay them as well . ( NOT) IF THAT GET MANNING i will burn every jersey i have . We have to go youth not risk everything on a broken down QB in manning , if he takes one good hit with his neck he will be outa there so fast you could not spin yopur head . Why risk such a stupid ass move like that and set our team back for years on end . We need to just move up for this one time in our life and pick a solid good QB that will lead our team because we might not be in this position again for awhile to snag such a good QB , why take a risk on a broken down QB . If the colts let him go why do you think they are doing that for hmmmm ? because they know he will only be around for only a fewmore years tops and thats if he dont get hurt with his neck again . Or what happens if manning plays one year then decide to retire , then we lose a draft pick because of that which we could have used to pick up RG3 . NO THANKS NOT WORTH THE RISK.
No way-
I’d give up draft picks for him- Too much rebuilding to do on our roster to make that sacrifice. In any event, my feeling is the colts will not give him his bonus and he will be a free agent- so why trade for him. I had originally thought he might be worth bringing in as a FA, but I have growing concerns about how well he would mesh with Kyle & Mike.
I think we are better off going with a lower risk/ cost veteran such as Orton/Campbell and a 2nd rd pick (assuming RGII is gone when we draft) such as Foles/Tannehill.
When I was a kid, my father told me, "Never hit anyone in anger, unless you're absolutely sure you can get away with it." -Russell Ziskey
probably not
but stranger things have happened.
When I was a kid, my father told me, "Never hit anyone in anger, unless you're absolutely sure you can get away with it." -Russell Ziskey
Billy Martin being hired and fired
4x
When I was a kid, my father told me, "Never hit anyone in anger, unless you're absolutely sure you can get away with it." -Russell Ziskey
no argument here
and agree, it’s a long shot that he would end up here, but there are not many places where he would get a chance to start, and from our perspective there are not many veteran FA available.
When I was a kid, my father told me, "Never hit anyone in anger, unless you're absolutely sure you can get away with it." -Russell Ziskey
Right but...There would have to be craziness on both sides.
JC would have to be crazy enough to come back here an get paid less than he did before as a bridge starter.
And Shanny would have to want a QB who he already didn’t want 2 years ago to come play for him
Yep agreed
But at the end of the day, we will need an experienced caretaker (unless we do the Flynn thing). Whose out there? Grossman, Orton (maybe Cassel if KC decides to keep Orton)
And from Campbell’s perspective, there are not that many places were he would have a chance to start.
When I was a kid, my father told me, "Never hit anyone in anger, unless you're absolutely sure you can get away with it." -Russell Ziskey
Stanton is another possibility I'd be Ok with
When I was a kid, my father told me, "Never hit anyone in anger, unless you're absolutely sure you can get away with it." -Russell Ziskey
I'm just very against the Flynn idea
because if he’s brought in, it’s going to be as our future. I’d rather draft and develop at QB.
Crying Lion
Flynn would
probably #4 or #5 on the potencial list of solutions to get a QB. Perfect scenerio for me is to sign Orton as a FA and draft Griffin at 6.
When I was a kid, my father told me, "Never hit anyone in anger, unless you're absolutely sure you can get away with it." -Russell Ziskey
RGIII is going #2 to somebody
PERIOD. EXCLAMATION POINT!
by jmpalomo on Jan 14, 2012 11:41 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
i think it's better than 50/50 that Peyton retires
it’s his fricking NECK and it’s a turkey neck at that…..seems like he’s been staring straight ahead for a year and only started glancing left and right recently….don’t risk it Peyton, really not worth it
Will I be okay with it?
Absolutely not
by mr.snyderhireme on Jan 13, 2012 3:00 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I think Shanny is still sending anonamous hate mail to Danny
for not doing whatever it took to bring Cutler to DC
Crying Lion
this would not be my first choice...
but I would prefer it over Matt Flynn. At least I would know what I was getting with Manning.
IF it happens, it would tell me that Manning’s health is fine, and we would protect ourselves with a QB in a lower round (or next year’s crop). It would also tell me that the Shanny’s would be willing to adjust their offense to accomodate Manning.
Ideal, HARDLY!!!! Better than what we have now, definitely.
Apart of me says no, it's not worth it
Another part says it is very tempting.
If we were to do this, my mindset wouldn’t be ‘yes, we can win now!’ But rather, we won’t have to throw our rookie (who I’d still expect them to draft) to the wolves right away. I like the idea of a Ryan Tannehill, Nick Foles or Tyler Wilson riding the bench for a season or two before they’re handed the reigns, isn’t that everybody’s perfect scenario?
Obviously it’s a situation of can the dude play? Personally, if he’s released, I don’t know why he’d want to come here versus a more established contender, but if so, a part of likes the idea of him holding down the fort.
If he does, they better beef up that line freaking fast.
I still project our draft to go something like this (at least my personal preferences), regardless of if he comes or doesn’t:
Rd 1 – QB
Rd 2 – OL/WR
or
Rd 1 – CB/OT
Rd 2 – QB
^ That being said
If they signed him with the clear intention of making a run now with what still is a hollow offense and hole filled secondary, and didn’t pursuit their own guy of the future in the draft, then I’d be irate.
A prominent HH author believes that the Colts are going to trade the number 1 pick,
for more picks and continue to ride the Manning horse if he is in fact healthy…
not happening. Luck is going to the Colts. Its time to move on past this and accept it.
Troy Aikman is the greatest announcer of all time.
by Jeff Bernard on Jan 14, 2012 11:08 AM EST up reply actions
I said the same thing, but the HH author told me otherwise...
he said something along the lines of how Manning is like a son and they would never do something like that to him…blah blah blah.
I mean how much more can you get/want out of Manning.
I remember a recent column quoting Irsay as being very strong on Manning
basically, “if he’s healthy, he’ll be here”. I also read an article about the Polians having close ties to Andrew Luck – and then Polian was fired. I don’t know what it means, if anything. But it would not seem to be totally impossible that they might stick with Manning, trade the #1 pick, and possibly take some other QB in a lower round. But there is a lot of misinformation and disinformation going around.
Well
This went about as I expected with the way this organization has done things in the past decade! I absolutely agree with everyone’s points against it, but also think if the situation was right, it wouldn’t be a terrible move either..
NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO
Goddammit, NO!
I hope to God Daniel Snyder, Bruce Allen, Mike Shanahan, WHOEVER is even THINKING this idea backs away from whatever they are smoking that makes them think this is a good idea. NO NO NO.
Do you want to lose you fanbase for the next 10 years, pull the trigger on this…I DARE YOU! Say bye-bye to credibility, your ticket sales, EVERYTHING.
All these “new QB” discussions are a bit repetitive, but at least they are hopeful and forward thinking. Taking on a broke-neck, aging, expensive QB does absolutely NOTHING for us!
by The Agent C 83 on Jan 13, 2012 11:20 PM EST reply actions
We dont want Peyton. We want crap like Campbell, Ortin, Tannehill or other SUCKY 2nd Tier Crap thats out there.
Please do not get the best for us Shanahan. We would have nothing to complain about if we had a Hall if Fame QB RIGHT NOW.
by jmpalomo on Jan 14, 2012 7:53 AM EST via Android app reply actions 1 recs
I would take him for a 3rd and 5th rounder, nothing more.
It would be nice to have him tutoring our QB of the future that we pick up in the 2nd round. If healthy, he would definitely make us competitive. The Skins vs Giants games would be really fun to watch. I would be willing to go for it, as long as the price is right and we still commit to grooming a young QB.
I forgot to mention that if we could pull off a trade like that, then I would trade back with our 1st rounder and recoup the picks used on Manning.
What do you think the market will be for him anyways? Personally, I have no clue.
by Sevendust34 on Jan 14, 2012 11:58 AM EST up reply actions
There is not gonna be a market for him
Cause he will be released or the Colts will keep him, nobody is gonna pay the contract he just signed they owe him a 28 million dollar roster bonus in march and if they cut him before then, he will be free agent, so nobody is gonna trade anything for him
Would love to see what he could do, but I'm thinking Manning + Shanahan would not be a good match
One of the local DC sportscasters made a good point this evening. Basically he said that Manning’s style of play would never fit with Shanahan’s offensive plans. How often do you see Manning call an audible? Almost every play, right? He breaks the huddle, walks up to the line, scans the defense, changes the play according to what he sees, and bingo, another TD for the Colts. Now, how many times during the past season did you see a Redskins QB change the play at the line? I wasn’t really counting; it probably happened a handful of times, but not very often. That’s because Shanahan does not give his QB’s anywhere near as much latitude as Manning has in Indy. Unless Shanahan would be willing to concede on-field control of the offense to Manning, it would just be another battle of wills between coach and quarterback, a la Shanahan vs. McNabb.
Then of course there are other things to worry about. How much would he cost? Is he physically capable of getting back to his previous performance level? Would he be happy playing for the Skins?
A lot of concerns would come with Manning putting on burgundy and gold. I can almost picture another Brett Favre scenario — “Legendary Quarterback Tries to Revive Career — Again… and Again… and Again…”
But then, I think if there’s a snowflake’s chance in hell that he can get our team into a game in January, I say what the hell — give him a shot!
This isn't beyond Snyder
I’ve been saying this for a month now. SNyder cares about jer$ey sales and $$$$$$$$$. Not wins
That's simply not true
Snyder is both a talented marketer and an avid fan. He understands what it takes to market a product and make money off of it, but he has said himself that he is the biggest Redskins fan in the world. There’s nothing he wants more to win.
While his actions in the past were not the best for building a solid football team, he has always demonstrated that he will do whatever it takes to win.
by StephanHart on Jan 18, 2012 11:02 AM EST up reply actions
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