Would the Redskins Have Succeeded With Another QB?
by Parks Smith on Jan 12, 2012 3:40 PM EST
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Many believe the Redskins "Achilles' heal" in 2011 was poor quarterback play. It's obviously sparked many discussion on the 2012 starting quarterback will be. Will he come from free agency? college? arena league? These questions can't be answered right now, but what if we reflect on what would have happened if the Redskins would have found another option beyond Rex Gross and John Beck in 2011. Earlier this week SB Nation contributor John Bois did a piece on Brett Favre, Warren Moon, Dan Marino, and John Elway in the twilight of their careers. Bois focused on Brett Favre and came up with a projected 2011 QB Rating of 82.8 for the "Mississippi Wrangler", and used his statistics to see how quarterback needy teams could have potentially benefited from Favre's services in 2011.
Points scored: 288
Passer rating, across all quarterbacks used: 73.3
Points-to-passer-rating ratio: 3.92
Projected points scored with Favre as quarterback, using above ratio: 325I should probably note that neither John Beck nor Rex Grossman were complete disasters at quarterback. They were just "kind of bad," and statistically, neither was more or less "kind of bad" than the other.
Our projected 2011 Brett Favre gives the Redskins 37 more points to spread out over the course of the season.
Bois goes on to predict that a quarterback of Favre's caliber wouldn't have been enough to win the division, but it would have certainly been enough to compete in the NFC East. His predicted finish with Favre was 7-9 for the Skins. With Favre's projected stats, he would have finished the season in the dead middle of pack, in terms of quarterbacks, with a QB rating number comparable to Matt Hasslebeck, Cam Newton, Kevin Kolb, and Joe Flacco. So what can we take from this going into 2012? It seems as if in a year with a weak schedule and weak division that the Skins would have still finished with a losing record. Next year the opponents will certainly be tougher, so does this type of data point to the Redskins needing a truly elite quarterback to even dream of reaching the playoffs?
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Thanks for reading and your contribution, haha
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I read the entire thing. Thus my reaction.
But it beats RG3 trade up talk.
I see it as more cushion for the pushin'
Would the Redskins *Have Succeeded
And while I don’t necessarily accept the validity of Bois’ argument (he’s paid to be a Nutty Professor), there’s no getting around the fact that the Redskins needed to play mistake-free football and hope the QB didn’t give the game away. With a good QB we would still need mistake free ball to make the playoffs (which doesn’t happen). With a truly elite quarterback…well, look at the Colts.
But that said, Helu and especially Royster didn’t start to emerge until the latter half of the season. Factor in the instability of the O-line, and barring a good, to very good QB, we don’t make the playoffs this past season. Going forward, with solid drafting, we won’t need an elite QB to make the playoffs…to win a SB, though? Another story…
by Bullet Nation in Exile on Jan 12, 2012 3:58 PM EST reply actions
That's the problem
2011 Favre would not have been an “elite” quarterback. Frankly ,I’m not sure if he would’ve been much better than Grossman. Not even sure if he would’ve thrown less picks.
Where do they teach you to talk like this? In some Panama City "Sailor wanna hump-hump" bar, or is it getaway day and your last shot at his whiskey? Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.
Agreed.
And P.S. I hate Brett Favre…conscience-less gunslinger…too bad he wasn’t a combo guard in the NBA…that would have been fun to watch…
by Bullet Nation in Exile on Jan 12, 2012 4:34 PM EST up reply actions
Or Andray Blatche at the elbow
Who know what goes through his mind. Always says he wants to go in the post more, but every time he gets the ball at the elbow its like his thought is “F’ It I’m Here…BAAALLLLLIN” followed by a loud “CLANK” coming from the bakcboard
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He's bad, but Crawford is MUCH WORSE!
I yell at the TV every time he jacks up a shot. He’s like the John Beck of the Wizards, you just want him to be better than he is, but he isn’t, so then you just pray that he can at least be competent and he can’t do that well either. And then to top it all off….Blatche has never indicated that he is better than Michael Jordan, at least his medication is stronger than Crawfords. #SMH
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I'm almost willing to give Vinny Cerrato a shot at running the Wiz instead of Grunfield
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Vinny would have traded away our 2010 1st rounder
for Mike Miller and Randy Foye! Wait…
by Bullet Nation in Exile on Jan 12, 2012 5:11 PM EST up reply actions
haha, I play a lot of 2K12 and seeing Foye come off the Clippers bench alwasy burns me
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This is interesting I love how players on the other washington teams even team captain starters can be crapped on
but say one negative thing about a redskin like Gaffney, Hightower, or Cooley who are all very much flawed and you are a huge troll and recieve massive amounts of criticism
by alwaysremember21 on Jan 12, 2012 6:32 PM EST up reply actions
There's a lot less forgiveness for guys who play both ways
and are constantly exposed and exploited by opposing teams…
by Bullet Nation in Exile on Jan 13, 2012 8:54 AM EST up reply actions
Watching 3/5 of our "championship" core
be flotsam on the Mavericks was sobering…
by Bullet Nation in Exile on Jan 13, 2012 8:55 AM EST up reply actions
So you're a fan
Of Jordan Crawford?
Where do they teach you to talk like this? In some Panama City "Sailor wanna hump-hump" bar, or is it getaway day and your last shot at his whiskey? Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.
I think more of Gilbert Arenas than Jordan Crawford
And re: Jordan…he has “moxie” right? All-Star.
by Bullet Nation in Exile on Jan 12, 2012 5:10 PM EST up reply actions
he does have moxie
Unfortunately, he doesn’t have much else at the moment. Apparently his shot (and Wall’s, AND Young’s) didn’t get the memo that the lockout was over.
Where do they teach you to talk like this? In some Panama City "Sailor wanna hump-hump" bar, or is it getaway day and your last shot at his whiskey? Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.
by CJHutch on Jan 13, 2012 6:10 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I diagree
I said this before and I will say it again. Based on the way this year ended up, if all else was the same, we would have at least contended, if not taken, the division with a slightly above average QB which I don’t consider 2011 Rex or 2010 Favre to be.
by Bryan Black on Jan 12, 2012 6:36 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
So...
barring a good, to very good QB, we don’t make the playoffs this past season
You’re arguing the semantic difference between good and slightly above average?
by Bullet Nation in Exile on Jan 13, 2012 8:53 AM EST up reply actions
Let me make it clearer then
Rex is a bad QB, 2010 Favre wasn’t much better. Tavaris Jackson is probably my definition of average. If we had an Alex Smith type QB we are probably on the playoffs right now. Less turnovers, I think he finished with 10 total where Rex had over 25. I think you are smart enough to discern the difference between good and average
by Bryan Black on Jan 13, 2012 11:37 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
No in fact i think it proves more to the fact that you need to build up an entire team
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Would have won 2 more games
with Favre and finished 7-9, and he would retire…again, and we would be having discussions about who the next redskin QB should be…again
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+1
Worse draft position and still no long term solution at QB.
Yes, but we could have had....
Favres backups backup to be our franchise QB as someone else suggested and then we could fire Shanahan because Favre retired,McDonald’s changed their dollar menu and Obama lost his car keys
by Bryan Black on Jan 12, 2012 6:41 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Well they certainly don’t have much of a chance next year with the “kind of bad” (mediocre is a better term) QB play. Just another reason to not even bring back Grossman at all.
Skins must take their best option to get to GOOD QB play as soon as possible. Maybe it won’t be next year if they get a guy like Griffin, but at least he has a legit chance to reach the GOOD level and beyond.
Can you please fix the title.
You’re gonna attract Cowpoke fans.
Where do they teach you to talk like this? In some Panama City "Sailor wanna hump-hump" bar, or is it getaway day and your last shot at his whiskey? Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.
Just fixed it.
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by Kevin Ewoldt on Jan 12, 2012 4:14 PM EST up reply actions
Neither Rex nor Beck were disasters?
That’s like saying Casey Anthony isn’t a complete failure as a parent.
I see it as more cushion for the pushin'
Yeah, I kinda chuckled at that.
Where do they teach you to talk like this? In some Panama City "Sailor wanna hump-hump" bar, or is it getaway day and your last shot at his whiskey? Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.
Favre being your favorite QB of all time is discouraging.
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I don't think thats a bad thing
Now if Favre was his #1 Best QB of all time…there would be some serious dispute
I don't know how anyone could like Favre after the crap he put football fans through the past 5 to 6 years.
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Hes going to play for Houston this weekend
by alwaysremember21 on Jan 12, 2012 6:33 PM EST up reply actions
cmon man it just didn't feel like football season without Farvewatch!
"You can build a million bridges, suck one dick, you're not a bridgebuilder you are a cocksucker." - - Woody Harrelson
you would gladly accept that crap
if he put up a season in washington like he did his first year in minny. And if he threw in a superbowl ring like he did previously in green bay you would be there on the 50 yd line eating your 6 dollar hotdog and drinking your 8 dollar beer while wearing your favre jersey.
by davetrembling on Jan 12, 2012 7:35 PM EST up reply actions
he just my favorite qb
he’s not the greatest of all time. I lost my dad around the same time he did and the way he played that game made him my fav
Hmmm. Where are the Packers and Patriots now with the worst defenses in the NFL?
The 1 seed in both conferences. A franchise Quarterback has you playing this weekend and a sucky QB has you discussing your QB options for next year.
by jmpalomo on Jan 12, 2012 4:18 PM EST via Android app reply actions
I didn’t realize the Packers finished with the 32nd ranked D. Man….they need DHall.
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by Kevin Ewoldt on Jan 12, 2012 4:19 PM EST up reply actions
Only the worst in yards allowed.
In the stats that matter (points allowed and turnovers forced) they are much better.
The Packers are 19th in points allowed and 1st in turnovers forced. The Patriots are 15th in points allowed and 3rd in turnovers forced.
Only highly ignorant people use yards allowed as a gauge for defensive strength.
Oh I forgot, you want us to have a sucky quarterback
Stats dont lie. A great Quarterback hides many sins (See 2011 colts without Peyton)
by jmpalomo on Jan 12, 2012 11:45 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Protection is key too though...
I definitely watched a couple Patriots and Packers games, and especially so with the Patriots, I was surprised how much time Brady had to throw. The dude is almost immobile. Certainly his quick release still can help deal with pressure, but there were a lot of times he didn’t have to worry about it.
Rodgers’ pass protection was certainly shakier at times, and more could be said for his general mobility to get out of danger, but with all the long balls he threw you knew it had to take time to develop.
I hadn’t done any film study or anything, but between Grossman’s long-ball being a good 5 yards shallow and the lack of time for the play to develop, I’m pretty sure that’s a major factor that Armstrong had such a drop-off from last year.
+1
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Anybody see the new fanpost about Tyler Wilson possibly declaring?
I see it as more cushion for the pushin'
I saw it when I wrote about it last Friday
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Ha, reminds me of that phone commercial
“Uh that was so 45 seconds ago”
“Facecake!”
"You guys know how to post a video to facebook?
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hahahaha
That’s almost as good as the AT & T commercial with the guy at dinner with his girlfriend.
Did you just check the game on your phone?
What? No, what am I some kind of summoner who just summons game footage to his phone? Come on!
I guess I’m just a little sensi ~ “Doh” ~
..tive. It’s just that lately ~ “Yesss”
(straight face)
You must have missed it, you were the most active poster, haha
http://www.hogshaven.com/2012/1/6/2687513/college-prospect-preview-cotton-bowl
do you know if tyler wilson put in the paper work to the draft advisory board?
by atark001 on Jan 6, 2012 2:19 PM EST
Yep he did in early December, said he likely be back at the time
by Parks Smith on Jan 6, 2012 2:22 PM EST
So you’re saying there’s a chance.
by iH8dallas on Jan 6, 2012 2:32 PM EST
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by Parks Smith on Jan 12, 2012 4:45 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Anything new on that front
I’ve been trying my best to contain myself.
Where do they teach you to talk like this? In some Panama City "Sailor wanna hump-hump" bar, or is it getaway day and your last shot at his whiskey? Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.
Not really, just that he more seriously considering declaring, we'll know by Sunday at the latest
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ok, I guess I can wait
I’d still be surprised to see him declare, though less so than before. Truthfully, his stock may never be higher.
Where do they teach you to talk like this? In some Panama City "Sailor wanna hump-hump" bar, or is it getaway day and your last shot at his whiskey? Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.
by CJHutch on Jan 13, 2012 6:08 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
im 95% sure
if we had a good qb last year we woulda went 6-0 with the way the other nfc east teams were playing early in the year. then the injury bug hit us. and i think the other qb woulda helped us win at least 4 more after that. which woulda been good to win the nfc east this year…
your welcome
sad thing is its true. we were the worst in the nfl in the give away take way stat. which almost any coach will tell if you lose that your not gonna win. we were lucky to get 5 wins. thats why i think we are better then our record this year. now next year our schedule will be a little harder and the rest of the nfc east should be better. so if we get a good qb we should be right at 8-8 to 10-6 the year after we should be able to start mking some deep playoff runs if we can stay healthy
Just hang on a second
I know, I know… almost everyone here is going to have a complete meltdown if we don’t get a top 10 quarterback.
But look at this article and notice how many times the Redskins scored 35 points or more consistently without a top 10 quarterback… at some point, you have to emit it has a lot to do with the team as a whole. Brady would not be Tom terrific without the patriots.
A new quarterback is not going to fix the offense by himself
http://www.csnwashington.com/blog/redskins-talk/post/The-points-dont-soar-for-these-Redskins-?blockID=629620&feedID=6355
The world looks mighty different when you're peeking out your belly button
Wow 1998, that seems relevant
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I know that many here think that the NFL only began in the year 2000
But truthfully, 20 years is not that long ago, the game has not changed that much.
Besides, I was signing with you… a quarterback is not going to fix the offense this year or last without some help.
You look at it from his point of view–we sent the last decade or so looking for a quarterback to no avail; why not take the "build it, and they will come" approach?
I know it was a long time ago, but it worked well enough for us to win three super Bowls with three forgettable quarterbacks.
I think you would be hard-pressed to prove that this isn’t the case for some of today’s elite quarterbacks-they may not turn out as well if they had stepped into the pile of crap that is our offense.
Try to keep an open mind…
The world looks mighty different when you're peeking out your belly button
by Skins Fan '77 on Jan 12, 2012 5:32 PM EST up reply actions
That's pretty damn sad
Nothing but mediocrity and suckitude as a Redskin fan.
by BAFGA on Jan 12, 2012 6:59 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
maybe Favre wouldn't make a big difference but many other QBs would have
Of course most of those QBs are signed and not interested or able to move.
Im pissed at the FA we have already the Cerratoness of bringing in Favre would have inspired a riot against Shanallenahan
I havent forgotten about that Donovan deal
by alwaysremember21 on Jan 12, 2012 6:37 PM EST reply actions
Let it go!
It’s over…and by the way a buddy of mine ran into McNabb in reston a few weeks back and he was talking shit about Rex! Wow, that QB fraternity is a tight one!
by Bryan Black on Jan 12, 2012 6:48 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
I will continue to disagree with the idea that a QB wouldn't change things.
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by Copious 1 on Jan 12, 2012 6:48 PM EST reply actions 4 recs
Is this a commentary on the new Nike unis?
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Re:quaterback
Please try to get someone who you can train and prepare to take over, we need a quaterback bad. Cut the three we have in camp, and try to trade for the #1 pick or get RG111 coming out of Baylor. Sign Green bay backup quaterback or go after Brett Favre, he’s better at his age than what we got in camp now. We need a quaterback and wide receivers, and just add a pass rusher on defense. Please get an offensive coordinator and get rid of son or either father, but one has to go.
This is the stupidest thing I have ever heard...
Let’s come up with an imaginary number based on absolutely nothing and then come to the conclusion that we would end up 7-9 based on horseshit. Too many computer nerds with too much time.
Really?
I should probably note that neither John Beck nor Rex Grossman were complete disasters at quarterback. They were just “kind of bad,” and statistically, neither was more or less “kind of bad” than the other.
“Kind of bad” is like saying my leg is kind of broken or my eye was kind of poked out.
Do a study on how Train Rex and Becks turnovers cost us games.
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