We Need a Check-up from the Neck-up!
by GeoFly on Jan 11, 2012 9:47 AM EST
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PrintTo believe that a few high draft picks (especially at the QB position) and some key free-agents will fix what ails the Skins is akin to believing in fairy tales. IMO, the current system (Shana-Allen) or whatever you want to call it has run it's course.
Over the past decade the teams who have been dominant (Pats, Steelers, Packers, Ravens, Giants, Saints, Colts) and are competitive nearly every year it seems all have something in common.
They are healthy from the neck-up! They have great management. They make great decisions on personnel. They have creative game planning and long-term strategy. They realize there are no quick fixes.
Take the Saints for example. Nearly half of their roster consists of un-drafted or 7th round picks.
This article says it all. Saints find room
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Crack is not good for breakfast.
"You can build a million bridges, suck one dick, you're not a bridgebuilder you are a cocksucker." - - Woody Harrelson
and you know this to be true due to past experience?
I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy.
yep
"You can build a million bridges, suck one dick, you're not a bridgebuilder you are a cocksucker." - - Woody Harrelson
gotcha
OK, but I have to ask…what is Crack good for?
I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy.
it's good for thinking we need yet another regime change here.
"You can build a million bridges, suck one dick, you're not a bridgebuilder you are a cocksucker." - - Woody Harrelson
What's worse?
Another regime change or the “same old same old”. In case you haven’t noticed yet, we went from 6-10 to 5-11 under the Shanaplan. Shanny’s been a Head Coach now since 1988. 23 years! He wants to win now. A deep across-the-board rebuild is not going to happen under this coach.
I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy.
In case you haven't noticed, the roster had to be completely redone, which takes time
people cite SF but that is the exception rather than the rule as they had plenty of talent that Singletary brought in, but they actually play for Harbaugh.
If you want to give him shit over some specific instances, then fine, but to say fire Shanny and Bruce already is completely insane.
"You can build a million bridges, suck one dick, you're not a bridgebuilder you are a cocksucker." - - Woody Harrelson
go back to Crack for breakfast
Our roster isn’t redone, it’s re-tread and we gave up more than we got back. We’ve got some nice players to build around and our defensive coordinator deserves credit but what have the Shanny’s done so far that’s been so great? Maybe Allen would do a better job if he wasn’t shackled by Shanny too.
I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy.
i did not say it was a finished product, just saying it takes time for the roster to be completely redone
You obviously have a personal dislike of Shanahan and his son (mention of the “Shanny’s” when no mention of Kyle was brought up just shows your contempt). I am not a Shanny lover but I believe that the man knows what he is doing and he has already brought in, who I believe, are good character guys (for the most part) and people who want to win instead of aging veterans coming here just for a paycheck.
Him and Bruce have stopped the bleeding but things take time, to get rid of them would reopen the wound in my opinion
"You can build a million bridges, suck one dick, you're not a bridgebuilder you are a cocksucker." - - Woody Harrelson
actually I don't have any personal dislike of Shanhans at all
In fact, I was one of the euphoric crowd who thought that getting him and his son was going to be a good thing but in the back of my head I had reservations as to why we didn’t get a young, hungry and up-and-coming talent from the ranks of successful NFL coordinators. Spooked by the whole Zorn experience is my guess. Using the Saints again as a reference: Payton’s 1st Head-Coaching gig and he’s had the team finish 1st 3 times in their division, gone to a conference championship and won a Super bowl in only 6 seasons. He also brought in Brees too if I’m not mistaken. I think Shanahan is to the Skins as Ditka was to the Saints.
I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy.
I dont think Shanny and Bruce should be replaced yet but i am not a fan of the coach making the final decison on all personnel issues, then why have a GM in title if he has no power. How many coaches that have GM responsibilities win the Super Bowl.
by Highspeed30 on Jan 11, 2012 11:05 AM EST up reply actions
+1
Everyone has heard “Rome was not built in a day”. Same holds true here. Yes, we had a worse season this year then last. But look at the progress. You cannot deny we are in a better position now then we have been in the last decade (or more?). Be patient. The last thing we need is another revolving door in front of the Coach’s/GM’s office. THAT got us nowhere except on the brink of dumping this team. I for one believe in the Shanaplan because I know that a good plan takes time to come to fruition.
and Ferngully reference only.
Irony (n.) -Michael Westbrook as the hero on Bully Beatdown.
by Jim America on Jan 12, 2012 11:17 PM EST up reply actions
youve made some good points
but starting over at this point makes no sense this is the deepest the skins have been with young talent in a long time thanks to who? shanahans wheeling and dealing its easy to look at teams that have success in there first year with a new coach and say why cant we be th 49rs but that doesnt happen often. most teams take time to develop and without a quaterback as the poll shows you just cant be successful
Another thing they all have in common
Pats, Steelers, Packers, Ravens, Giants, Saints, Colts
A franchise QB.
Save maybe Ravens, but it’s debatable how perennially dominant they’ve been.
+1
Quaterbacks are the real difference makers in the NFL. The Ravens have been in the playoffs every year since Joe Flacco was drafted. The Colts cant even win 3 games without Peyton.
by JeanBaptiste on Jan 11, 2012 11:34 AM EST up reply actions
Flacco is a franchise QB?
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by Parks Smith on Jan 11, 2012 12:10 PM EST up reply actions
Not sure I agree with this.
That just makes them a starter. A franchise QB, imho is the face of the franchise, and the franchise rises or falls on their shoulders.
by Bullet Nation in Exile on Jan 11, 2012 2:13 PM EST up reply actions
I agree
Even Flacco is a serviceable franchise QB for the Ravens. So far the Shanaplan has in 2 years given us McNabb, Rex and Beck. Maybe we’ll get a good prospect in this year’s draft but what will we have to give up for it?
I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy.
Dont' see what a coaching / FO change at this point will
accomplish. I think most of us agree that Shanny/Allen did a rotten job in this first evualting the talent on this team when they arrived, believing several players(Portis, Dockery, Galloway to name a few) had more in the tank than they actually had. So, yes the first season was a complete loss. However, since then they have done a pretty good acquiring young talent. You really need to give Shanny 2 more years before you make a change again. This offseason certainly will be the important in Shanny’s tenure as redskins coach.
When I was a kid, my father told me, "Never hit anyone in anger, unless you're absolutely sure you can get away with it." -Russell Ziskey
Saying that there is not a rebuild going on
under this coaching staff, is absolutely fucking batshit ridiculous.
Let me name for you the new youth that is here:
Wilson
Riley
Kerrigan
Bowen
Cofield
Jenkins
Neild
Hankerson
Paul
Helu
Royster
Licht
TW
Young
They may not say we are “rebuilding,” but we clearly are.
Despite having more losses, this is a way better team than last year.
Examples:
True, young, WR depth (just need a #1 now)
True, young, RB depth
A new fullback
A new dline that is relatively young
A legitimate passrush
A will to fight until the end
No cancers on the team
Making the most of developing low round talent
Putting more points on the board
Defense playing better
We really do not have as many holes left as people believe:
QB
2 OL spots
- WR
A CB (for depth, and for when Hall is gone in a year probably)
a SS (If Laron isn’t back)
A MLB (future development after London)
That is quiet manageable
I put up a post on this and rebuild is a term used after we fizzled not a process they committed to
by alwaysremember21 on Jan 11, 2012 2:04 PM EST up reply actions
When we fizzled?
This past draft shows a COMMITMENT to rebuilding.
That was PRIOR to the season. That has nothing to do with fizzling.
We started one rookie, the dream team eagles started more rookies than we did
FA isnt a rebuilding tool, its a win now tool that should be carefully utilized
by alwaysremember21 on Jan 11, 2012 6:07 PM EST up reply actions
Completely irrelevant
Shanny’s slides people in slowly. That a methodology, and whether or not you like it, it is at minimum, a reasonable one.
he brought in a bunch of FAs and plugged them in as starters over draft choices
This wasnt much different than a Cerrato year we just only gave away one pick for an average at best player this year
by alwaysremember21 on Jan 12, 2012 3:47 PM EST up reply actions
Donovan was pretty bad
Im not saying bring back Cerrato but its not like weve returned to Betheard’s golden years
by alwaysremember21 on Jan 12, 2012 4:17 PM EST up reply actions
He wasn't a FA pick-up
He was traded for, and yes….trading for McNabb was a terrible move.
But most of FAs acquired have been for reasonable, valuable deals, and the players obtained are mid-20’s, starting caliber players
Youre right he was a trade which is even worse
Many of these free agents are questionable in terms of starting caliber ability
by alwaysremember21 on Jan 12, 2012 4:37 PM EST up reply actions
Bowen, Chester, and Hightower were all backups
gaffney isnt particularly good, stallworth and anderson are especially bad, Jammal Brown has played awful for a 37 million dollar contract, Atogwe is looking old already, Lets not discuss Rex, FA is just grand glad we added these pieces so we could finish 5-11
by alwaysremember21 on Jan 12, 2012 6:18 PM EST up reply actions
Bowen was a quality starter this year, Hightower is a starting quality back in a rotation, Chester should probably be a backup
Gaffney is a good possession receiver and was not a FA, he was traded for almost nothing
Stallworth and Anderson are depth receivers making league minimum
Jammal Brown was not a good signing
So I wouldn’t say many of the FA’s are questionable
by StephanHart on Jan 13, 2012 11:38 AM EST up reply actions
And you left out Cofield and Josh Wilson, perhaps our two best FA signings
OJ Atogwe is starting caliber as well, and was signed for a very reasonable contract. We will have to see if he is able to get healthy and produce as expected next seasons
by StephanHart on Jan 13, 2012 11:39 AM EST up reply actions
No
FA Bown, Draft Jenkins:
Does not interfere because you should have at least 3 solid DE for a fresh rotation
FA Cofield, Draft Neild:
Does not interfere because Neild is a 7th round pick and is not expected to start. Idea is that in two years maybe Neild will develop into a starter
FA Atogwe:
Does not interfere with anyone. Gomes played CB and SS (not FS) in college
FA Wilson:
Barnes clearly hasn’t worked, Buchanon was suspended. We picked up Gomes, who shows some promise, but you need 3 serviceable CBs in this league.
FA McIntosh (resigned):
Yes we had Perry Riley, but he wasn’t quiet a sure thing yet, and Rocky was an inexpensive 1 year way to ensure we didn’t get in trouble if an injury occurred.
FA Hightower:
He may have interefered some with Helu and Royster, but we got incredible trade value here, and Shanny’s strategy is to slowly work draft players in (unless they were a high round pick). Judging by Helu and Roysters performances later in the season, this worked quiet well. Nothing to complain about.
FA Gaffney, Stallworth, Anderson:
Gaffney was a great pickup. I agree Stallworth and Anderson took some practice time away from younger WRs.
FA Chester:
What other olineman did he interfere with? Our oline has crappy talent and Chester held down a spot decently well all year.
I miss someone?
Additionally,
EVERY SINGLE ONE of our 12 draft picks made the active roster or practice squad
Hightower cost a draft choice, too expensive for a backup rb
I get that we have a ton of needs but FA wasnt the way to address them, I would have been happier playing rookies and taking our lumps so that we can be good in the future rather than putting our hopes on so many marginal players
by alwaysremember21 on Jan 12, 2012 6:21 PM EST up reply actions
"But FA wasn't the way to address them"
We already made 6 picks into 12. Thats a big attempt at addressing them.
Unfortunately with as many holes as we had, not all of those picks can be immediate solutions.
I understand the desire to start more rookies ASAP to gain experience (especially if we were already coming to grips with a “rebuild” season)… But i think its pretty clear based on the performances by many of the rookies in the later half of the season that Shanny’s method did work.
Whether or not it could have worked a little earlier can be debated, but quiet frankly is a moot point, because there is no way to prove one way better than the other, and the way our coaching staff chose already had moderate to good success.
You may “prefer” one thing, but as some point it comes down to the people with more business experience in football.
I like the approach of people who have done this well
Im not trying to reinvent the wheel, Im just tired of being a fan of a team that cant help but be the butt of FA agency jokes. When they commit to a rebuilding season I will happy, I havent seen it yet throwing in rookies after all the guys ahead of them get hurt isnt exactly what I consider a rebuild
by alwaysremember21 on Jan 12, 2012 7:46 PM EST up reply actions
There were no free agency jokes about this year.
Have patience, open your eyes, and stop overreacting.
Irony (n.) -Michael Westbrook as the hero on Bully Beatdown.
by Jim America on Jan 12, 2012 11:27 PM EST up reply actions
Tman - almost dead on with what I've been thinking
But they might get away with only one more O-line, if he’s really good, then shuffle the others. Depends on the return of Lichtensteiger and health of Brown, and is somewhat debatable, – differences of opinion on almost everyone on the line, like Monty, Licht, TW, Brown, even Chester. One nice thing though – we have pretty good depth with Hurt and Smith and Locklear (if Shanahan isn’t too pissed at his comment). The current line accomplished some pretty good running this year, so shouldn’t need an overhaul.
Safety could be the main need if both Landry and Atogwe can’t get healthy.
I'm expecting one FA lineman
And one drafted Lineman.
Atogwe should be fine
He had playing incentives in his contract, which explains trying to play if he wasnt 100%.
He didn’t get an offseason conditioning program.
He is a veteran who should know how to take care of his body and be okay for next season.
Clear point...
Team went 6-10, now 5-11….but
They realize there are no quick fixes.
Let the 5 year plan be a 5 year plan…
What to change?
Other: FANS who want another coaching/FO change in year 2!
Are you nuts?
Another coaching and front office change? Don’t you understand that one of the reasons we are in this position is because of the coaching changes. Stay the course, the record is worse but most of us agree that we are more competitve now. Give me one area that we are in worse shape than we were during the Zorn era?
by Bryan Black on Jan 11, 2012 12:45 PM EST via Android app reply actions
Shanahan made a lot of mistakes and could have done more in free agency
and I thought he could have been sacked if things kept going downhill. But there has been considerable improvement in a number of areas (defense, ground game), and there is evidence of a plan, and solid grounds for optimism. As a number of people (like tman above) have said, we aren’t that far away from being a playoff caliber team (QB and one O-line, WR, safety…). No question in my mind that Shanahan deserves a third year, al least.
As for the front office, I think Allen has been too timid, not been willing to spend enough money to get top players, but I don’t exactly know why he’s done that.
I'll gladly eat my words if there is a turnaround but
I’m still convinced that we would be better off with a bright young coach who is hungry and wants to grow with a rebuilding team. And when I look at all the currently successful and up and coming programs, that is mostly what they have at the head coaching position or what they had when they were coming up. IMO, Shanahan has a huge ego based on past success with Denver and that is a liability with a rebuild.
I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy.
A bright young coach who is hungry and wants to grow with a rebuilding team
Ask the Buccaneers how that worked…their “bright young hungry head coach” is now merely coaching our secondary.
by The Agent C 83 on Jan 12, 2012 1:08 AM EST up reply actions
yeah but
Gruden worked out pretty good when he came in.
I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy.
The large group of players that were unrestricted free agents made possible a substantial acquisition of
experienced, young players. When rookie contracts are completed players are about 26 to 27 years old and yet a level of experience to build upon as well as low level of injury history. About 500 players were UFA and about 70 had been starters coming into 2011. The Skins still had about $11 million in cap space after all was said and done. Having free agency after the draft was not a positive for rebuilding the roster.
Shannahan talked about having competition and more could have been done to make it stiffer. The good news is that a substantial chunk of the free agency signings were for one year which means there will also be a large group of free agents to chose from in the 2012 off season. Given the pool of 26-27 year olds available every year that typical number should be about matched in 2012 versus 2011.
by Jefferson1935 on Jan 11, 2012 6:10 PM EST up reply actions
please enlighten me as to what credible coach would take this job if you canned
shanahan and allen . ? how foolish are you ?
in this day and age with salary caps etc . you arent turning over the team , getting the salary cap fixed and get younger all in one offseason
let be real what was available in year one with shanahan with the 6 yr FA cba ? old guys
how does a coach take his 1st rookie class and improve them with no off season ?
the model we should be using is the lions model , 2 losing season aquiring talent then a break through in year 3
the OP here is talking out his rear , why dont you at least glance at a salary cap to figure out why things were done ?
we need to give this the full 5 years and stop trying to take the snyderatto method of short cuts
not as a foolish as the fool who believes in transferable models and such
it’s about people…FOOL!
I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy.
what does that response have to do with anything ?
fact is you change the staff again no one is taking this job that is worth his weight in sand . and you didnt address one point
Young up and coming coach
Patriots-Belichick
Denver-Fox
Texans-Kubiak
Ravens and 49ers-Harbaughs
Giants-Coughlin
Saints-Peyton
Packers-McCarthy
The only ones in the playoffs that can be considered young and hungry could be the Harbaughs and I think each of these coaches has a huge ego. I would think that you would have to coaching 20+ year old millionaires. So your point for switching coaches again?
by Bryan Black on Jan 11, 2012 6:26 PM EST via Android app reply actions
outside of coughlin and Fox most of the guys even Belichick were pretty new to head coaching
by alwaysremember21 on Jan 11, 2012 6:41 PM EST up reply actions
Belichick was not "pretty new" to head coaching.
by The Agent C 83 on Jan 12, 2012 1:09 AM EST up reply actions
Outside of a short stint in Cleveland he had been an assistant most of his career
by alwaysremember21 on Jan 12, 2012 8:05 AM EST up reply actions
He had 3 terrible seasons in Cleveland....he was established as a head coach, and not in a good way
by StephanHart on Jan 12, 2012 12:40 PM EST up reply actions
Cleveland is a tough place to be and he had a short enough stint that I didnt look at him as a HC
I think of him as giants assistant and Pats HC
by alwaysremember21 on Jan 12, 2012 4:42 PM EST up reply actions
Interesting
Yea, I guess when you’re evaluating a HC, its useful to throw out the first 3 years in the league.
In fact, might as well throw out his last couple seasons too where the Pats have been bounced in the first round of the playoffs.
Just consider the middle part where they were dominant
wow, someone is spunky
Lets condemn Gibbs for sucking during his return, and the Patriots have gone 10-6 and 14-2 in recent years they have just been atrocious! They have the number 1 seed in the AFC this year they are worse than us!!
by alwaysremember21 on Jan 12, 2012 6:25 PM EST up reply actions
link thing won't work
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_VVa1qiKig
I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy.
Gibbs took us to the playoffs twice during his return, I wouldnt say he sucked
And that was after more than a decade off from coaching.
My point with Bellichick is that you can’t through out his first coaching stint in Cleveland.
by StephanHart on Jan 13, 2012 11:41 AM EST up reply actions
true, Gibbs didn't suck
but we should have never brought him in for the 2nd stint because the strategy was all about win-now with Gibbs instead of what was needed which was a complete rebuild. Gibbs part II is similar to Shanny in that regard IMO.
I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy.
who worries about that
other than Snyder?
I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy.
Re-read your post
Yes, every coach is possibly bright and young when they start off…but their teams kept them past two years. Your not content with the speed of the rebuild, I understand that. He is trying to turn a clusterfuck of a team and organization into a contender and I’m sorry it can’t be done in two years consistently or with ease in the NFL. Let him finish out his contract and then evaluate him.
by Bryan Black on Jan 11, 2012 11:23 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Exactly
We have to have some stability. If it doesn’t work then we gave our fair shot. Mistakes have been made but they are far less detrimental than some made in the past
by Bryan Black on Jan 11, 2012 11:31 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
careful what you wish for
stability can also mean years of mediocrity. IMO I don’t see a creative approach, a fresh approach, a bonding with players, etc… from the Shanahans. Then again, I’m not an insider and it might be way different. It just doesn’t look that way from the outside.
I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy.
Something else those teams you mentioned have in common.......
These organizations have been stable for years (Baltimore, again, the possible outlier here). Coaches and systems in place for years…..Stability from the top…..had more but pizza is here, you get my drift.
"Please don't dominate the rap, Jack, if you got nothin' new to say."-Robert Hunter
agree to a point
but you can have stability and still suck for many years. Again the Saints are a good example.
I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy.
"They have... long-term strategy."
“They realize there are no quick fixes.”
See what I’m doing here?
"Dominant" is an adjective.
"Dominate" is a verb.
We'll work on "Dominance" once we get the first two figured out.
You are exactly the type of redskin fan that pains me to my core...
In 2 years? you say that the regime has run its course? Wow I’m afraid to see what you would do if you were the owner… IMO we are on the right track, Shanny is infusing some young talent onto the roster, and Bruce Allen has gotten us out of our cap hell that we were in the last 10 years. We are 30 mil under the salary cap, and we have talent on the roster. In order to build a team its a process especially in the nfl where 1 player will not catapult you to being a playoff contender (unless its a QB). Shanny-Allen are on the right track, what we need right now is some continuity. The past years we have been paying for mediocrity on credit. Overpaying for Free Agents to only go 8-8 or 9-7… In order to build a stable organization you have to be a little lucky and you have to draft superior talent. Just look at the Lions they are emerging because they have been bad for a while and they have multiple top 3 picks on their team ie(superior talent) eventually it will work if you keep infusing top talent onto your team. What I’m saying about the Redskins organization is that as fans we asked for the removal of Vinny and to replace him with a qualified GM. We got that with Bruce Allen and then we have a high profile Coach with Shanny that has won championships. You have to give them time in order to break the losing mentality that is here. With every organization you have stated they didn’t become winners in 2 years it takes time to create a culture. If we keep replacing people we will be at the same place we are now in 10 years. Redskins are on the right track we just need a little luck in order to find that QB that will bring us back to being perennial super bowl contenders aahhh “I remember those days” but until then we have to do what we’ve been doing drafting well, sign key free agents, and keep the coaching staff/Front Office in place. Enough of the revolving door!!!
double x this guy is a typical snyderatto supporter
he brings up the saints ? they werent stable for 40 years !!!
you cant fix 20 years of mismanagement in 2 short and yes wierd seasons and it is foolish to think you can
we are using our draft as it should , we are using free agency as it should , we are getting the better end of trades now (gafney and hightower the 2nd DMAC and AH trade ) . our cap is in great shape with little "dead cap space "
but this fool thinks you can "miracle in " a winner much like snyderatto
i am willing to let shanahan have the time to build us up into a year in year out playoff team that competes for superbowls then this fly by night operation we had before he arrived
do you take everything out of context just because they have an opinion different than your own?
Yes, the Saints sucked for many years until they brought in new blood willing to make big changes in the way did virtually everything. I respect Shanahan for his past accomplishments (although a lot of folks I know from Denver don’t really), but I think he really hasn’t shown a lot of evidence of a long-term plan. In fact year 1 was all about a short term win-now strategy that backfired horribly. They are still laughing in Philly about that one. Year 2 is more encouraging but what was with all the high-priced FA’s if you are committing to a rebuild? Shanny is turning 60 and has been a head coach for a long time. I think he wants to win now which plays well as we all know with Snyder (whom I don’t like either) and a lot of the fan-base. In either case, one more year of SUCK is most likely going to get him canned by Snyder anyway. No need to call your fellow Skins fans names either. My bad on that one as well.
I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy.
I'll ask you guys a simple question
When is the last time we have been consistantly good? Over this time when we have been poor, how many different QB’s have we had come through Redskins Park?
There is you answer.
Crying Lion
we've had a lot of QB's
maybe if we had kept a couple …..Campbell, Green and Johnson come to mind, it wouldn’t have been so many.
I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy.
Tiller, even during the glory days in the 80's, we had constant QB change as well, so I don't think your point is proven
by StephanHart on Jan 13, 2012 11:42 AM EST up reply actions
The glory days was a different era of football Stephan
You used to be able to win with good defenses, a solid running game, and decent QB play. Not anymore. Gone are the days when a mark Rypien leads his team to the super bowl. Gone are the days when a Trent Dilfer can win a championship.
Maybe an average QB will come along in the next 5 years and prove me wrong, but I highly doubt it. This whole league now revolves around QB play.
If you get good QB play, your team will win. If you get poor QB play, your team will loose.
Crying Lion
or the Broncos and the Texans.
or half the teams left in the playoffs!
I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy.
Eli is definitely a top 10 QB
Flacco ain’t there yet
I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy.
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