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Ten Yard Fight: Washington Redskins Ten Most Irreplaceable Players

Every year, I compile a list of what I call the Redskins Most Irreplaceable Players. Typically, I have done the list in June or July, after most or all of the free agents and draft picks have been signed. It occurs to me that at that point, more players could be called irreplaceable because there simply is no time to replace them. Perhaps it would be both more challenging and more accurate to try and identify those players now, since one of the more important exercises performed by the front office this time of year is to identify the holes and work on filling them.

Keep in mind, this is not a list of the most valuable players, though the two lists would likely look similar. This list is not a list of the best players on the roster, though one could argue that most or all of these players would fit that bill. This is not a list of the players with the most promise/youngest talent (see London Fletcher). To that point, this list has to do with next year. It has to do with the 2012 season. Losing one of the players on this list would likely cause the team's winning chances to plummet. When I call someone "irreplaceable", I am suggesting that if the team were to lose this player, it would set the franchise back considerably, especially in the short term. In June or July, you could (or would) put a guy like Rex Grossman on the list because at that point, he might be your starter, and starting quarterbacks are frequently irreplaceable then. But does Rex Grossman make that list now?

Today, I am trying to find ten guys that are so crucial to the success of the 2012 season that losing them would likely result in losses. Consequently, if the Redskins agreed with this list, it would be reflected in the type of free agents they pursued as well as the positions they target in the draft. We will revisit this list in August to see how and if this list has changed, and more importantly, why it has changed.

I know there will be players that you think belong on this list, and I will be hard-pressed to disagree. Some of the decisions I made might be different as soon as tomorrow, but we'll put a stake in the ground here today.

1. London Fletcher -- Let's just get this one out of the way first. London didn't just lead his team in tackles again, he led the NFL in tackles. His example off the field is as important as his example on the field. Our roster is full of young players, and having a man like London Fletcher around to show them how to be professionals is essential. He is an extension of the coaches on the field and he has never missed a game. Despite his age, you would put a picture of London next to the word "irreplaceable" in the dictionary.

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2. Trent Williams -- I will go straight from the most obvious to the most infuriating. Even if we were to draft a stud left tackle in the upcoming draft, Trent would still be a starting tackle on either side and would be relied upon to keep the quarterback's jersey as clean as possible. His talent is undeniable, and his improvement has been noticeable. It remains everyone's hope that he is able to avoid the pitfalls that caused his suspension in 2011. If he does, he will be a vital piece in our developing offensive line. With Trent Williams healthy and focused, our offensive line could become formidable, but if he is either injured or distracted, the hole he leaves at one of the tackle positions is likely not capable of being filled until the next offseason--at best.

3. Chris Cooley -- I am betting that this might get some comments. After all, Cooley is getting a bit older and Fred Davis came on pretty strong the last two seasons. In my opinion though, Cooley is close to being in the same category as London Fletcher--the "you have to have guys like this on your team in order to win" category. He is not an extremely vocal leader, but he cares about the game of football, he cares about being on the field regardless of the team's record or score and he is a smart player. Cooley knows everyone's job on the field. He sees the whole play and understands the roles of every player involved in that play. More importantly, he can be asked to perform more of those roles than just one. The reason why Fred Davis does not make this list and Cooley does is because Fred Davis only knows one role in any given play--his own. He knows how to go out for passes. He runs decent routes and is a valuable pass catcher, but that is about it. Fred Davis has been described to me as a player capable of making great plays but equally capable of destroying a drive due to being in the wrong place or failing to carry out a crucial assignment. This isn't to suggest we don't want or need Fred Davis. But Chris Cooley is a player that our offense has to have in order for it to be the best it can be. His superstar stat days may be over, but his clutch contributions will extend drives and open up opportunities for other players.

4. Ryan Kerrigan -- Every defensive line needs the kind of high energy, play-until-the-whistle-blows pass rusher. In Kerrigan, the Redskins have the proverbial "high motor" player that every team covets. Kerrigan is young and talented...and still learning and improving. But he is irreplaceable right now because he is already a producer. He seemed to add moves to his pass rushing repertoire as the season wore on, and he was impressive in pursuit on plays when he was on the back side of a run. He should have factored more in the NFL Defensive Rookie of the Year voting, but we should all know by now that voters have a very dim view of our team.

5. Brian Orakpo -- If you are going to employ a 3-4 defensive scheme, you have to have guys at the outside linebacker position capable of being effective pass rushers off the edge. Those players have to also be able to play in space in coverage situations and be athletic enough to hang with a running back or tight end. We could certainly debate the merits of Orakpo's coverage skills. I think we may be able to agree that he is much better today than he was last year at this time. And though we would all like to see him develop a few more moves off the edge, his pass rush can be extremely effective. He draws plenty of holding penalties (certainly plenty of potential holding penalties waiting to be called!) and he has average just under ten sacks per year in his first three seasons in the NFL.

6. Lorenzo Alexander -- Special teams is a very important facet of the game. We know this, despite being treated to a very pedestrian performance by our special teams unit this season. There is nothing pedestrian about the heart and energy of Lorenzo Alexander. He has shown his willingness over the years to do absolutely anything the coaches ask of him, whether it be offensive line, defensive live, linebacker, or special teams stalwart. When opposing players receive the punt or kickoff, rest assured they know what is coming for them: #97...and in a hurry. He hits hard, is a solid tackler and takes pride in doing his job. He is a crucial reserve on defense and is another player that is certainly a positive influence on the youthful guys we have on the team.

7. Rex Grossman -- If it is any consolation, I hate me for putting this name down, too. Simply put, there is no other offensive player on our roster that knows this offense as well as Rex Grossman. There is no other offensive player on this roster that can play quarterback in this offense better than Rex Grossman. Whether he is our starter on opening day or not next year, his institutional knowledge on the offensive of the ball is crucial to the development of any future signal caller wearing burgundy and gold. In some cases, teams like to get rid of a guy like Rex because his mere presence can be distracting to the growth of a rookie as well as a temptation for the coaches who might get impatient with the development of that rookie. In Rex's case, I think we should all feel safe in the knowledge that Mike Shanahan has absolutely zero interest in building this team around him. Rex provides us a little bit of stability and continuity on offense in a time of certain turbulence and change. In this bizarro world we find ourselves in, Grossman actually gives this Redskins team a little bit of slack next year, allowing Shanahan to start his rookie on the bench in September. What's more, no matter how well Rex performs, there will not be any temptation on the part of the coaching staff to commit to him long term.

8. Roy Helu -- I was tempted to leave all running backs off of this list. In the NFL, there are few positions that are as replaceable as running backs. I think that holds true for the Redskins as well, except when you consider that in recent years, we have actually found the bottom of the replacement barrel. No offense to Keiland Williams or Quinton Ganther, but when you are relying on guys like this to anchor your ground game, you might reconsider just how irreplaceable your top running back is. It's not like we are Green Bay, with no shortage of young, powerful runners. For us, Roy Helu's value is great due to the combination of the draft spot investment, the year of development and the results on the field. He was multi-faceted out of the backfield for us, proving adept at catching passes as well as running with power behind the line. His ability to make a cut and get upfield is ideal for our scheme and speed is always irreplaceable in and of itself. As much as I hate to put a running back on a list of irreplaceable players, at this point of our offseason, I am putting Helu in the top ten.

9. Chris Chester -- Look, this list is officially approaching "depressing" territory. We have more exciting players than Chester and we have players with more talent that Chester, but currently, most of our players are full of upside and potential. Chester is manning a crucial guard position on our offensive line and is one of only two current offensive linemen that I would prefer to start next season with--Trent Williams being the second. That's right...between the draft and free agency, I am looking for three new starters on our offensive line (I prefer the draft). Nobody is going to confuse Chris Chester with Russ Grimm or any other All-Pro guard, but he is solid, he started and played in all 16 games in 2011 and he seemed to improve in our scheme as the season wore on. Most importantly, his presence allows us to pencil in a very serviceable starter on the line, allowing the Redskins to focus on upgrading three linemen and not four. As for the other guys we have on our offensive line depth chart, that is where I think they belong--on our depth chart. Kory Lichtensteiger and Will Montgomery would rank among the best backups along the line we have had in years and would provide some of the most valuable insurance we have had in case a rookie either gets injured or can't hack it.

10. DeAngelo Hall -- I honestly did not expect to put him on this list. I would sooner include him on a list of the most overrated players than the most irreplaceable, but that wouldn't fully take into account where this roster is right now. I can already hear the Football Outsiders stats being loaded up to volley at me (smutsboy, I am looking at you), but remember that part of this equation takes into account what we would be left with if Hall went down and/or out. I worry that if I throw out stats like the fact that Hall is in the top ten in passes defensed and in the top 20 in terms of combined tackles (according to NFL.com), they will be answered by more telling stats of ineffectiveness and inefficiency. Let's also throw out there that he can be a big, pouting baby at times. Still, you have to have very athletic, wily players in your secondary and DeAngelo Hall--for all of his faults--gives us something we would miss if he were not on the field. He has above average hands, deceptive catchup speed and experience. Not that it should matter too much, but he is also a Redskins fan, and losing seems to get to him. I like that, even if he can also say and do boneheaded things that infuriate his fellow fans.

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Rex Grossman? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

by HogtieJim on Jan 10, 2012 1:07 PM EST reply actions  

No Way on Rex!

I have changed my mind on Rex over the recent weeks. He simply cannot take care of the ball. And for a team that has a hard time winning, turnovers can break the team’s morale. In my opinion, all the quarterbacks should go. I don’t know that we want the most prolific thrower of interceptions (on a per game basis) to be on this team. It goes contrary to Shanahan’s mantra of taking care of the football. I understand he gets the offense, but he doesn’t execute it well.

by Ryan McQueeney on Jan 10, 2012 1:13 PM EST up reply actions  

I think we will need Rex to start a game or two (or more) for us next year...

Sad, yes. But probably true. And if that is the case, it would be another year under his belt in the system that we would hopefully benefit from. I don’t know how beneficial he would be in helping to teach the rookie, but at some point he has to realize he is not a longterm starter in this league and perhaps he can embrace a role in which he helps bring the kid along.

by Ken Meringolo on Jan 10, 2012 2:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Rex needs to go

He should not be a starter in the NFL.

by JeanBaptiste on Jan 10, 2012 2:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Of course he shouldn't...

But I am pretty sure he hasn’t started his last game in DC…unless we sign a veteran free agent.

If we draft a rookie, I would bet dollars to donuts that Rex starts opening day.

by Ken Meringolo on Jan 10, 2012 2:45 PM EST up reply actions  

He almost certainly will

and I think people are being too hard on him. Rex needs to be replaced as soon as humanly possible. No one will argue with that.

However people seem to forget we had this “Who could possibly be worse” debate about midway through the season. We found out exactly who could be and his name if John Beck.

by SkinsOsTerps on Jan 10, 2012 2:57 PM EST up reply actions  

+1

I can’t put it any better than you did.

Rex is the best option. Of course draft a QB and NEVER employ Rex long-term, but do NOT throw a Rookie into a system with absolutely nobody behind him. He knows the offense, better than anybody on that roster. I can almost guarantee he will be back in some capacity. More than likely starting the first 2-3 weeks.

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by Ronnie Adkins on Jan 10, 2012 3:08 PM EST up reply actions  

I mean its the perfect joke that is in no way true at any level. Grossman takes a team from 3-13 to 5-11 and a team that could be 9-7 to 7-9. He will keep the team in the mediocre zone however long you let him. He is the single most replaceable player on the Redskins if you actually want to see improvement and not the same thing over and over. Grossman is the pure definition of insanity.

by HogtieJim on Jan 10, 2012 1:18 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree that Rex is our best option at QB right now..

However, that doesn’t mean he is irreplaceable. Rex Grossman is VERY replaceable. Only a down and out, true Skins fan would even put Grossman and the word irreplaceable in the same sentence. We have not had a franchise qb in 30 years. I get it. But let’s not get crazy here…

You say, “There is no other offensive player on this roster that can play quarterback in this offense better than Rex Grossman.” This is true. For now. However, that doesn’t mean we can’t draft or sign someone who COULD " play quarterback in this offense better than Rex Grossman. " This makes Grossman very replaceable.

Screw D Hall . That’s all I have to say about that piece of non tackling, non covering, get 5 picks a year, burnt toast.

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by williamhudsonlink on Jan 10, 2012 5:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Rex Grossman, seriously

anyone that turns it over twice a game is clearly replaceable. Who cares if you know the offense if you cant execute it properly.

by JeanBaptiste on Jan 10, 2012 1:31 PM EST up reply actions  

You don't want to throw them out before they're ready

every player needs to be introduced at the right time. Some guys can start day 1 but it’s unrealistic to expect that of everyone especially the most important position on the team.

by SkinsOsTerps on Jan 10, 2012 2:58 PM EST up reply actions  

that was my exact reaction

"And you can pass it to someone you never met, and let 'em get as high as you...you're eyes red as sh*t, mine too"

by Rekka on Jan 10, 2012 2:03 PM EST up reply actions  

I feel cofield or bowen belong on this list

both have anchored our defensive line, freeing up the above named linebackers…and both are high-character/great work ethic type guys…cofield plays arguably one of the most important positions in the 3-4 and bowen has added great play at the defense end spot (and for me personally he’s just one of my favorite redskins right now)

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by atark001 on Jan 10, 2012 1:17 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

They are both great Redskins and guys we need as well as guys we can build around...

Jenkins’ presence as well as the manner in which we found these guys and brought them in make them a little bit less irreplaceable was my thought.

by Ken Meringolo on Jan 10, 2012 1:57 PM EST up reply actions  

I would argue a few of them

Stephen Bowen over Rex Grossman. Would swap Chris Cooley with Fred Davis since Fred Davis actually did show how replaceable Chris Cooley is. The D Hall one is questionable but saddley who would you replace him with??? Maybe put London Fletcher twice.

by ccurry2119@aol.com on Jan 10, 2012 1:18 PM EST reply actions  

This may be premature

But after seeing what Leonard Hankerson can do, I would be willing to put him and his upside on this list. He looks a potential big time receiver, and he is young.

So scratch D Hall and add Leonard Hankerson.

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by williamhudsonlink on Jan 10, 2012 5:57 PM EST up reply actions  

not feeling ur lit mr ken...

i can count at least 3 i wouldnt mind if they didnt come bck next year and a few more that wont be on the team a year after next

by munson21502 on Jan 10, 2012 1:22 PM EST reply actions  

Cooley? He single handedly conducted a case study this year on why he is replaceable

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by Parks Smith on Jan 10, 2012 1:23 PM EST reply actions  

You mean when we were held hostage to a guy who got suspended for the last month of the season?

That would never happen to Cooley. Also, it is true about him being very versatile and Fred Davis not being versatile at all. You could draft an athletic tight end to come in and catch passes, but you would be hard-pressed to find someone who could come in and do all the things Cooley can do.
He has his faults to be sure, but he is somewhat indispensable. Fred Davis’ success in the passing game does not make him indispensable.

by Ken Meringolo on Jan 10, 2012 1:54 PM EST up reply actions  

That would never happen to Cooley.

You’re right it wouldn’t, but you’ve never seen Cooley average 70 yards per game either.

You could draft an athletic tight end to come in and catch passes, but you would be hard-pressed to find someone who could come in and do all the things Cooley can do.

I could name 7 or 8 guys that would be an instant upgrade over Cooley in the first five rounds of this year’s draft.

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by Parks Smith on Jan 10, 2012 1:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Chris Cooley is done.

He seems like a cool dude and he’s a fan favorite, but he’s about as helpful now as John Riggins.

I see it as more cushion for the pushin'

by iH8dallas on Jan 10, 2012 2:02 PM EST via mobile up reply actions   2 recs

Ken just has a lot of money invested in his pottery

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by Parks Smith on Jan 10, 2012 2:03 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Injuries

The guy is hobbling around on one leg most of the time.

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by williamhudsonlink on Jan 10, 2012 6:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Fred Davis was one of those "can't miss" guys--wasn't he the award winner for best tight end in college football?

And he was not an upgrade over Cooley. If there was only one spot on the roster and Fred Davis was fighting Chris Cooley for it, Cooley would win that spot ten times out of ten. Fred Davis has not earned any kind of reputation for being a hard worker. He has earned a reputation for resting on his athleticism and physical abilities. I’m telling you that I was told by someone in the building that he does not have the passion to get better.
Fred Davis is not multi-dimensional. For all his numbers, it’s not like he was the difference between winning games that got us to the playoffs. Think back over the last season. He racked up a ton of numbers when it didn’t matter. Teams were leaving the middle and underneath areas wide open. I should know, because he was on my fantasy team. He got a lot of stats that did not contribute to wins.

by Ken Meringolo on Jan 10, 2012 2:06 PM EST up reply actions  

He is now. And you're referencing 25 year old coming off a pro bowl Chris Cooley
And he was not an upgrade over Cooley.

Not, 31 year old, coming off a 65 yard season Chris Cooley

Fred Davis is not multi-dimensional.

Cool, but I’d still rather draft a young WR to combo with Davis rather than Cooley. Look at the TEs and teams excelling around the league, most of them have two good tight ends and none of them are in the “Chris Cooley model”.

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by Parks Smith on Jan 10, 2012 2:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Cooley is clearly on the decline of his career given his injuries and age...

But he is still a better football player than Fred Davis, and probably only because Fred Davis has not been able to pull his head out of his ass. Be that as it may, it is the truth.

As for the “Chris Cooley” model, I really don’t buy that point, because teams in the NFL that are excelling with multiple tight ends are doing it with exceptional quarterback play which we don’t have. If we had two “Chris Cooley” models at 100% healthiness, I would argue you would see a very productive two-tight end system.

That said, OF COURSE I would want to bring in a guy like Jimmy Graham or Gronkowski or Hernandez. But please don;t compare those guys to Fred Davis. They are all MILES ahead of him as football players.

by Ken Meringolo on Jan 10, 2012 2:24 PM EST up reply actions  

So first it's that the TEs are good on those teams b/c of their QBs.

But then you would want a guy like those tight ends and we can’t compare Davis to them, ahh… I see.

  • Davis had better stats than Hernandez
  • 16 game season extrapolated out then Davis ends up with over 1,000 yards. But it doesn’t count b/c it’s in “garbage” time?
  • If the “elite” TEs play is a result of elite QB play, then why doesn’t it make Davis that much more impressive that he is doing it with Rex/Beck?
  • Name another team in the NFL that Cooley would start on?

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by Parks Smith on Jan 10, 2012 2:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Whoa...Fred Davis shouldn't get the benefit of an "extrapolated" stat line

His own dumbass self caused a shortened season.

I think he got plenty of garbage time stats, but the point is more that he was not some amazing player that changes games…we were 5-11

To that point, your question on Cooley doesn’t matter because we are talking about the 5-11 Redskins. If he comes back 100% healthy next season, he will be our best tight end and he will start for us.

by Ken Meringolo on Jan 10, 2012 2:40 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree that Davis is a dumbass, but there is no way Cooley will be out "best" TE.

If Fred Davis doesn’t play then we don’t win the 1st Giants game, the Cards game, or the Seahawks game.

Why is Chris Cooley the 3rd most valuable cog in the Redskins winning machine? I would think most would think he is one of the most replaceable players. Like FlaGators said if Cooley doesn’t play on this team next year then most of the people wouldn’t even notice. Go on the street and ask a casual fan about Chris Cooley, their likely reaction will be “OOOOOO Yea what ever happened to that guy”

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by Parks Smith on Jan 10, 2012 2:45 PM EST up reply actions  

This wasn't a ranking...just ten names

I think people also need to remember we are talking about the Redskins here…this roster has been in disarray for years. I will argue that Cooley is still a very valuable piece of our offense, but I will simultaneously lament that fact, given the rather obvious shortcomings we have on offense compared to even average teams.
When am I going to get some sympathy for having to find ten irreplaceable dudes on this team each year? It’s not easy.
Some would say that being able to find ten guys at all makes me kind of a hero.

by Ken Meringolo on Jan 10, 2012 2:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Pagan god is more of how I think of it

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by Parks Smith on Jan 10, 2012 3:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Fred Davis is also a capable blocker. Cooley is the worst blocker in the NFL

Shouldn’t that factor in somewhat, especially with and oldhead like you Ken?

by tw10 on Jan 10, 2012 5:00 PM EST up reply actions  

actually Fred Davis really struggled this year in blocking

him and Cooley are about even in that department

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by Steve Shoup on Jan 10, 2012 9:51 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't get the Chris Cooley = leadership argument either. He's a class clown, in my opinion.

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by Parks Smith on Jan 10, 2012 2:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Different ways to lead...

all reports I get are that Cooley knows his assignments and knows everyone else’s assignments and can perform them all when asked to. When young players see a millionaire local celebrity take their job seriously, that is a form of leadership. But he is a clown, and that keeps him from being the kind of leader that London is…to be fair, Cooley is the first one to own up to that.

by Ken Meringolo on Jan 10, 2012 2:26 PM EST up reply actions  

But he's not taking his job seriously, that's the thing. You just said he is a clown.

He’s off babbling on the radio (and saying things he shouldn’t), making YouTube videos, focusing on pottery, etc… He’s more focused on winning the DMV athlete popularity contest than winning football games.

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by Parks Smith on Jan 10, 2012 2:35 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I'm not sure you 100% agree with that.

Every team needs a guy who can keep spirits up and take your mind away from the game when the team is losing. Cooley is a leader in that sense. He may be a bit of a class clown, but he knows when to be serious and put the work in, and when to be laid back and have a bit of fun.

by UkRedskin on Jan 10, 2012 2:34 PM EST up reply actions  

He's failed miserably at this then...
Every team needs a guy who can keep spirits up and take your mind away from the game when the team is losing.

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by Parks Smith on Jan 10, 2012 2:35 PM EST up reply actions  

This, exactly. Cooley could walk right now and nobody would notice. For years.

by FlaGators on Jan 10, 2012 2:15 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I feel the need to also point out that in the article, I said that losing these guys would liekly result in losses

I am not suggesting that losing Chris Cooley was the main reason we lost, but with regard to your “case study this year on why he is replaceable”…what success are you prepared to point to that suggests our team is better without Cooley? And I don’t care about Davis’ stats. I care about the team’s wins.

by Ken Meringolo on Jan 10, 2012 3:00 PM EST up reply actions  

He made a catch in FOUR games two were wins.

He had 21 yards versus the Giants and 4 yards versus the Rams.

what success are you prepared to point to that suggests our team is better without Cooley?

Every, single game… Not having Cooley gave our youth a chance to succeed including Davis and all the rookies. What good would Cooley have been to have out there? He’s a tertiary threat at this point and that’s putting it nicely.

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by Parks Smith on Jan 10, 2012 3:05 PM EST up reply actions  

It is a stretch I know...

But I do contend that Cooley will be fully healthy next fall and will be a factor for us again.

You can point to the growth and development of a player or two as success…I will grant you that. But we still didn’t win.

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by Ken Meringolo on Jan 10, 2012 3:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Just admit that you know Cooley isn't any good now, but you just don't want to take down that fat head of him with those short shorts on

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by Parks Smith on Jan 10, 2012 3:24 PM EST up reply actions  

To be honest...

I can’t provide a supporting argument for Chris even though I want to.

The past two seasons have been a compilation of shotty play and an injury. I don’t think he should be let go, but if he were, I think we would survive.

Also, Cooley at 100% > Davis at 100% any day.

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by Ronnie Adkins on Jan 10, 2012 3:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Chris Kluwe > Chris Cooley

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by Parks Smith on Jan 10, 2012 4:12 PM EST up reply actions  

He was hurt the last 2 years, he probably should have started on the PUP list

And we dont need to spend a 1st to 4th round pick on a TE this year. He should be gone at the end of next year.

by Maroon and Black on Jan 10, 2012 4:09 PM EST up reply actions  

is it true Two only gave up 2 sacks all season?

That shocked the hell out of me.

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TW*

Dear Passionate fan, I know you are passionate, but please reply with a logical answer or I will ignore you.

by TerpsAllTheWay on Jan 10, 2012 1:24 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

No, the stat is he only gave up 2 sacks while sober

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by Parks Smith on Jan 10, 2012 1:26 PM EST up reply actions  

I hope he can last until we draft an Aussie...Brad Wing

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by Parks Smith on Jan 10, 2012 1:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Someone doesn't watch college football

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by Parks Smith on Jan 10, 2012 1:54 PM EST up reply actions  

hahahaha...

I was praying for a Liberty kicker with the same name who was from Australia

by Ken Meringolo on Jan 10, 2012 1:55 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't get it?

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by Parks Smith on Jan 10, 2012 1:59 PM EST up reply actions  

I did for grad school, still lost, nevermind

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by Parks Smith on Jan 10, 2012 3:00 PM EST up reply actions  

So if you judging by stats

How can you justify Rex Grossman being on the list?

by JeanBaptiste on Jan 10, 2012 2:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Well if you're going to point out the obvious this is going to be no fun!

hahaha…I think I am trying to argue that Rex’s true value lies in his ability to help transition to the new guy assuming the new guy is a rookie.

His understanding of the system should make him an ideal backup and should hopefully help in the training of the rookie.

by Ken Meringolo on Jan 10, 2012 2:36 PM EST up reply actions  

If thats the case

We might as well hire Rex as our QB coach.

No need to waste his talents on the field… hahaha

by JeanBaptiste on Jan 10, 2012 3:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Cofield should be on this list, if you take him away then this is a terrible defense.

Remember Maa’ke? Cofield, is the one cog on that front 7 that absolutely cannot be replaced right now.

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by Parks Smith on Jan 10, 2012 1:36 PM EST reply actions  

Cofield was absolutely the next one on my list.

But the fact that we brought him in via free agency without seeming to really try that hard as well as the presence of Jenkins made him a little less irreplaceable to me. But I am not going to argue with you on Cofield…he could easily be on the list.

Fred Davis on the other hand…shame on you.

by Ken Meringolo on Jan 10, 2012 2:09 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree with Chester being on there.

Was our best lineman after Kory L went down and Trent was injured. I thought he played pretty well all year. If we bring back Kory L and he can pick up where we left off. I think we ‘only’ need 2 starting lineman.

Barry Cofield should absolutely be on this list. Potentially Bowen as well.

by UkRedskin on Jan 10, 2012 1:37 PM EST reply actions  

That's a big "if"

You don’t like Monty at Center?

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by Parks Smith on Jan 10, 2012 1:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Monty is serviceable

But he gets pushed back a lot on the stretched runs. Because we run outside he gets away with it. But it closes off a potential cut back lane.

by UkRedskin on Jan 10, 2012 1:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Scenario question for you (anyone can answer):

If you had to choose either Steiger and Monty, which one would you pick to start in 2012 while the other one plays backup to a rookie or FA?

Pour out your Haterade

by VTsKiNz on Jan 10, 2012 2:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Monty b/c of Licht's health as a question mark

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by Parks Smith on Jan 10, 2012 2:14 PM EST up reply actions  

A healthy Steiger

was the best player on the line to start the season. I do like the idea of drafting or getting a FA guard to stick in a LG, move Kory to C, and keep Chester to RG. Then we’d just need a RT…

by UkRedskin on Jan 10, 2012 2:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Everyone forgets that Licht is a restricted FA also

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by Parks Smith on Jan 10, 2012 2:20 PM EST up reply actions  

I think Kory was playing very good ball before he got hurt.

If I could have that guy, I would start him. Monty is a serviceable center, but the kinds of centers that are coming out in the draft these days are stronger.

by Ken Meringolo on Jan 10, 2012 2:35 PM EST up reply actions  

This is a farce

No way there are 10 players that cant be replaced on a team this bad

by alwaysremember21 on Jan 10, 2012 1:54 PM EST reply actions  

it's a relative thing, hence the "most" irreplaceable

it’s abotu who is closer to being irreplacable. Or that’s the way I interpreted it.

by aFan4Life on Jan 10, 2012 2:26 PM EST up reply actions  

+1

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by Ronnie Adkins on Jan 10, 2012 3:29 PM EST up reply actions  

in other news

i really liked alabamas qb last night is he draft eligible?

Counting cards isn't illegal. It's frowned upon, like masturbating on an airplane.

by jbh1190 on Jan 10, 2012 2:38 PM EST reply actions  

No

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by Parks Smith on Jan 10, 2012 2:41 PM EST up reply actions  

why not

he stood tall in the pocket and his delivery wasn’t bad at all. He did have a batted ball or two. I odn’t really know a lot about him though, then what i watached last night.

Counting cards isn't illegal. It's frowned upon, like masturbating on an airplane.

by jbh1190 on Jan 10, 2012 3:08 PM EST up reply actions  

You asked if he was draft eligible, I said "No"

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by Parks Smith on Jan 10, 2012 3:15 PM EST up reply actions  

oh i thought you were saying NO you do not want him

Counting cards isn't illegal. It's frowned upon, like masturbating on an airplane.

by jbh1190 on Jan 10, 2012 3:19 PM EST up reply actions  

No

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by Parks Smith on Jan 10, 2012 3:24 PM EST up reply actions  

In other other news: Kirk Cousins and Chris Cooley look exactly alike

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by Parks Smith on Jan 10, 2012 2:40 PM EST reply actions  

hahaha wow that is a striking similarity

As for me, all I know is that I know nothing.
*Socrates*

by atark001 on Jan 10, 2012 2:45 PM EST up reply actions  

I've been trying to figure out who Cousins looks like for over a week.

It was driving me crazy and this Cooley discussion finally made me realize who it was.

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by Parks Smith on Jan 10, 2012 2:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Look @ the nose

Scary

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by Ronnie Adkins on Jan 10, 2012 3:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Thanks ken

Interesting perspective. I’m one those who might replace Cooley and Grossman with Bowen and Cofield. I love Cooley, and agree with some of your points, but he is on the downside of his career…clearly his importance on our roster increases (and he makes this list) if Davis bolts via FA. I think Bowen and Cofield were the unsung heroes at turning the D around this year. In addition, Cofield is starting to become a locker room leader.

As far as Grossman is concerned, I’d rather replace him with Sage Rosenfels (as a 3rd stringer) who could help mentor a rookie, and caretaker QB

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by Redskin44 on Jan 10, 2012 2:54 PM EST reply actions  

WOW!

This list shows just how pathetic the Redskins roster is. I see the entire team as expendable save for Trent and Kerrigan

Fletcher: OLD. Better dump him a year to early then too late.
Cooley: Damagaed Goods. Fred Davis is better.
Orakpo: Not what we thought Atleast he is good at scrabble.
Fumbleman and Hall: trash. That one long bomb TD and that one INT every 10 games isn’t worth keeping them around.

by Elaw6 on Jan 10, 2012 3:01 PM EST reply actions  

Anybody else want to take this?

I’m actually a little flabbergasted that London is on your list Elaw6.

I really don’t want to regurgitate the fact that in spite of his age, he led the go**amn NFL in tackles. Like… The whole thing. All of ’em.

I don’t care if he were 50, he needs to be back next year.

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by Ronnie Adkins on Jan 10, 2012 3:21 PM EST up reply actions  

It's easy to lead the league in tackles

when the defense is constantly on the field, your QB loves to turn the ball over, your OC is a master of 3 and Outs, and every other teamate on defense is incompetent.

Do you remember a few years back when the same linemen were on the team even though they were old and ineffective? They were “fan favorites” so everyone would scream ‘no no don’t cut so & so’. That’s how i feel about London. He has a limited # of year[s] left.

We can’t keep daydreaming about his Pick-6 on Kurt Warner a few years back. It’s time to get younger, stronger, faster.

by Elaw6 on Jan 10, 2012 3:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Counting players that were on the 53 man roster last season, a value of 0 to 5 could be assigned to each

and the number of 5’s could arbitrarily reduced to 10. This would force more aggressive assignment to the irreplaceable list. There are currently more than 53 players on the active list now since the practice squad, injured reserve, last active list, etc are all listed. Some of the players ken listed like Cooley may never play for the Redskins again. The full list of about 70-80 could shown for a “real” opinion of the fan base.

by Jefferson1935 on Jan 10, 2012 3:07 PM EST reply actions  

ugh rex

1. Rex grossman. I don’t care how well he knows our offense, he sucks ass at it. We don’t need him to mentor anyone on how to throw off your backfoot into tripple coverage and eat the entire dollar menu for every meal. Coaches can coach a rookie qb, change the offense to meet his strengths until he gets goin, and rex can be a backup…or not. I don’t care. He’s 100% expendable, replaceable and i hope to god forgettable.

2. Cooley. Man you would be 100% wrong if that moron had not smoked so much happy grass. Now if I had my choice i’d bring in a solid FA tight end, have cooley there and davis can go play hobbit # 43124 in the new movie.

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by Al_CaPWNED on Jan 10, 2012 3:46 PM EST reply actions  

pretty good list

While I think this list is decent, I believe it shows the sorry state of our franchise and how few impact players we have.
Having said that, I would make a few changes.
1. I think Barry Cofield absolutely has to be on this list. After the fiasco with that lazy fatass, it should show us fans how difficult it is to find capable, effective players to play Nose Tackle. Given that we did just pick up Cofield in FA last year, I think that is more a tribute to our front office. Cofield is indispensible to our D in my opinion. Neild played very well last year but I believe that is relative to his draft position. Cofield was more effective and a foundation for any 3-4 defense is the Nose Tackle position.

2. I can’t include Cooley on an irreplaceable list after Davis produced the way he did and arguably Paulsen as well. In no way am I saying we should get rid of Cooley, unless the right deal came around, I just do not believe he is so essential to the success of the team.

3. I would rate Josh Wilson as more irreplaceable than DeAngelo Hall. Wilson was a better and more consistent cover corner this past year and I believe our defense would hurt more with his absence than with Hall’s absence. I believe this goes back to your reluctance to put recently signed players on this list.

4. I’m reluctant to put any RB on this list with the history of Shanahan’s ability to plug in seemingly anyone at the position and have success. I would argue Darrel Young is more irreplaceable than any of our RB’s even though I believe Helu is head and shoulders above his replacements.

5. I agree with you on Rex Grossman. In noooo way do I want him to be our starter, I believe his knowledge of the offense is irreplaceable and hopefully he will be able to teach our rookie QB next year.

As for replacing some of the players on the list? I’m at a loss. Besides Cofield and possibly Young, even he is a stretch, I dont know any other Redskins that are more irreplaceable but like I said before, that just shows the sorry state of our franchise.

I think you did a good job on the list though Ken and appreciate the post. Good discussion topic.

by gskin53 on Jan 10, 2012 5:55 PM EST reply actions  

Wow what a list. Just shows you how disgusting this roster is..

COMPLETELY disagree w/ Cooley at #3??? He’s not in the top 10 and neither is Rex, Chester, or Dhall. In fact those FOUR are easily the most replacable.

My 10: 1. LFB 2. TWill 3. Kerrigan 4. Cofiled 5. Orakpo 6. Davis 7. Riley 8. Bowen 9. Wilson 10. Monty

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