Hogs Haven College Preview (Week 2)
The Hogs Haven community had to be one of the most educated group of people on the prospects in last year's draft. We all learned together, and I think it's fair to say that there was nowhere else on the internet with as many discussions (arguments) about late round draft picks and undrafted free agents. In an effort to continue to learn more about the NFL pipeline, Parks Smith and myself will highlight college games every Thursday this fall. We will have a pair of National games this week, and I'll be posting it with Parks out of town.
FBS Game of the Week: Arizona @ #9 Oklahoma State, 8:00 PM, Stillwater, Oklahoma Sept. 8th (tonight)
TV Listing: ESPN
Point Spread: Oklahoma State -14.5
Summary: This might not be a top 25 match-up but there is still plenty of reason to tune in or DVR it if you are planning on watching the Packers vs Saints tonight. Not only should Arizona make this a good game, but there are some serious draft implications in this game. Tonight a pair of draftable quarterbacks will be facing off, as well as a host of other quality players that could interest the Redskins. Both teams are pretty strong, but Oklahoma State is the better team, and has the advantage of playing at home. I think they will win this, but it will be closer than the spread. Prediction: 38-34, Cowboys
Players To Watch:
Quarterback Nick Foles (6'5", 240) is the leader of the Wildcats offense, and opened the season in a big way (against Northern Arizona) completing over 80% of his passes for over 400 yards and 5 touchdowns. Foles is a big quarterback with a good arm and accuracy. While he has had good seasons, he has yet to put together a really great year. This could be the year he does so, and if that is the case he will firm up his spot as a 2nd round QB (could end up a late 1st rounder). Wide Receiver Juron Criner (6'4", 215) would have been the 2nd prospect, but he is out with an illness. If you get the chance to watch Arizona later in the year he is well worth it as he could be a good 2nd-4th round receiver who is a big target.
Quarterback Brandon Weeden (6'4", 213) - If Weeden was 21-23, he'd be a first round pick going into this season, but Weeden played minor league baseball first, and is going to turn 28 in a month. While his older age makes him more of a mid-round pick, he is still an intriguing quarterback option. He's more mature and more apt to pickup things quickly than a younger quarterback. Weeden also is blessed with a very good arm, and had a breakout year last season. He struggled a bit in his week 1 matchup, throwing three interceptions, but it is way too soon to hit the panic button. If Weeden rights the ship, he's a solid mid-round QB selection. He might not be a 10 year QB solution, but he could be a 5 year option.
Offensive Tackle Levy Adcock (6'5", 322) - The reason why the Cowboys offense is so potent, has a lot to do with how dominate their offensive line is. Adcock won the starting RT job last season, but soon found himself making his way over to the left side. It didn't matter where Adcock played as he didn't allow a single sack all season, and was named the Cowboys top offensive lineman 5 times last year. Adcock is a borderline first round pick, but he could also fall to the 2nd round. If Jamaal Brown falters again this season, bringing in a bookend tackle makes sense.
FBS Game of the Week: #3 Alabama @ #23 Penn State, 3:30 Sept. 10th, Happy Valley, PA
TV Listing: ABC
Point Spread: Alabama -10
Summary: Alabama is pretty heavily favored in this game, and with good reason as they are a talented team, but this could have some upset potential. The Crimson Tide is replacing a good bit of their offensive talent, and might not be ready for a big time opponent. Although Alabama scored 40+ points in their week one win, their quarterbacks combined for 4 INT's and their top running back Trent Richardson averaged just 2.8 yards per carry (the team was better though), and that was against Kent State. Penn State is behind the Tide in terms of talent but they return more experience on offense, as well as a strong defense. Alabama will has the talent to stop their offense, but if the Penn State defense comes up with some big plays they could steal this game at home. I think Alabama wins, but won't cover the spread. Prediction: 24-17, Crimson Tide.
Players To Watch:
DT Josh Chapman (6'1", 310) - Chapman anchors the Tide's 3-4 defense at the nose tackle position and could be an interesting selection for the Skins next season. He excels at taking on two blockers and pushing the pocket. He hasn't taken his game to the next level where he breaks a lot of double teams, but he has flashed potential. He could give the Redskins another quality NT and allow Cofield more reps at DE.
DE/ILB Courtney Upshaw (6'2", 265). Upshaw does everything for the Tide and it is a little hard to say where he projects in the NFL. He could just be a traditional rush linebacker in the 3-4, but given his ability to shed blockers and instincts in the ground game he could be effective as a hybrid ILB, who plays with his hand down some and blitzes from the inside. Upshaw is a fantastic pass rusher and looks to be a top 50 pick.
Defensive tackle, Devon Still (6'5", 305) - Still looks to be an impact interior lineman (would play DE for the Skins) going forward and is expected to have a breakout year. In his bowl match-up against the Florida Gators, Still had 7 tackles including 3.5 for a loss. While right now he is probably more of a 4th to 5th round pick, he could move himself up to the 3rd round range. With Jarvis Jenkins returning from injury and Adam Carriker an impending free agent, adding someone like Still in the mid-rounds is a smart play for the Redskins.
Offensive guard Johnnie Troutman (6'4", 323). Troutman, became a full time starter last season, and became a key part of one of the best lines in college football. He's a tough offensive lineman, who excels at both run and pass blocking. He's not a star going forward and looks to be more of a late round pick, but there is some real potential there.
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Alabama’s Center William Vlachos to your player watchlist. He’s prob one of the best C’s in the country.
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Vlachos was my 3rd player and he definitely is worth watching
I’d say he’s a top 5 center, and right now about a 4th-5th rounder, though he can move up. I’m interested to see how he does against Penn State’s interior line.
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Alabama's
Dont’e Hightower(MLB) and Dre Kirtpatrick(CB) are also players to watch.
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lots of players on bama have nfl futures
particularly richardson
by alwaysremember21 on Sep 8, 2011 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Pretty much every single player on their roster.
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yeah Bama has a ton of great talent
Hightower is another one worth watch for the Skins, maybe a 2nd rounder next year. Kirkpatrick is always worth watching, but I’m guessing the Skins don’t get him. He looks to be a top 5 player and if the Skins are drafting that high I’m sure they go QB
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Foles is similar to Joe Flacco
and Bama should blow penn state out of the water, it should not be close
by alwaysremember21 on Sep 8, 2011 2:52 PM EDT reply actions
it was just 24-3 last year and Penn State wasn't nearly as good and Bama had McElroy and Jones
as well as a handful of other starters. The Tide definitely have the ability to put up some points, but right now they seem a bit raw and they are heading on the road.
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Yeah, but ’Bama’s defense is twice as good. Penn State will probably still score, but still, they are much better. As for their offense, McElroy and Jones aren’t really all they were. They are a running team this year. Richardson and company. They’ll probably make Penn State look like a JV team.
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They could
I just think it will be closer than most people think.
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What’s the spread? Alabama by 10. They’ll double that.
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PSU has a good defense too
They boast one of the best 4-3 trio of LB’s in the nation(and these kids are all very fast and aggressive), they have an experienced secondary, and a pretty damn good D-Line. It’s the PSU offense that I’m worried about. If we can not establish a running game, we are done. If we can run the ball with some regularity, they we will remain in the game.
Don’t forget, Alabama lost some offensive linemen, and most likely will be starting a freshmen RT, and a soph LT in front of 112,000 at PSU. Throw in an inexperienced QB, and you have the makings for some trouble offensively.
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Penn State’s LB’s are pretty good. But they aren’t on ’Bama’s level either. More than likely, Penn State will not be able to establish a running game.
When you have Trent Richardson, it doesn’t matter if you’re starting 5 brand new offensive linemen. 110,000 at PSU is what we call every Saturday in the SEC. They know what to expect.
I know that PSU is bigger than most stadiums in the SEC, but when you play at Florida, at Georgia, at Tennessee, at Auburn, at LSU…etc, and then travel, it doesn’t matter. At all.
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What did Richardson do last week?
I seem to have forgotten.
Look, College football is not a hard game. If the opposing team has 2 new OT’s and a new QB, you stack the box, and say beat me with your arm. I’m not sure the Bama QB’s will have the success your predicting against a very good PSU defense.
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Trent had 3 rushing touchdowns. But it was against a nobody, so he like all the starters, aren’t going to play much.
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I liked when you guys included a "Local FBS Game of the Week"
last week for the UMD – Miami game. I think it would be cool to know which local game is the must-see game every week (although I will watch every UMD game regardless). I hope you guys bring that back for next week (I know that’s extra work; but I am just throwing out my 2 cents for this weekly segment).
we will
we are just short handed this week, Parks is out of town and its a busy week for me as well so I could only do two games.
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I'm going to be watching alot of Landry Jones this year.
I’m a huge fan of his and if my prediction on the Skins is right, we’ll be in position to draft him.
Personally, I don’t really care about his throwing motion, and I take it you don’t either?
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yeah there is a hitch in there but I think his motion is fine
my only concern is he is essentially a shotgun QB
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That was going to be my next question.
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He ran a lot under center
when he took over for Bradford as a Freshmen, so don’t be deceived by the whole shotgun thing. The kid is a prototypical pocket passer(shotgun or not).
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I don't think it is a deal breaker
but it could keep him from being a year one starter (though few QB’s are)
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It didn't hurt Bradford
and if Jones ends up a Redskin, I don’t see how he couldn’t be handed the job. Our QB’s are the worst in the NFL.
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Fact and Fact.
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but it has hurt dozens of QB's over the years
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True
Dozens of QB’s who ran a gimmick offense. OK does not run a gimmick offense. Their offense is Pro Style with a route tree. Stoops knows his shit, and is adapt to the NFL game.
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not what i'm talking about
plenty of qb’s come from pro style offenses (or close enough) and they aren’t ready for the show. Sanchez and Leinart from USC, Brady Quinn and Jimmy Clausen ND, Losman and Ramsey Tulane, Boller Cal, Grossman from Florida (def. some gimmicks but not completely), Leftwich (a lot of shotgun), David Carr
None of those were complete gimmick QB’s, yet being rushed into the job could have impacted their development
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Weren't you talking about QB's who primarily ran the Shotgun in college?
Because a lot of the QB’’s you listed above came from a pro style offense.
I was the one who mentioned the Gimmick offense. I thought you simply meant “shotgun” guys.
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no i meant in general
I think very few QB’s can be early starters, and it is harder if you run a shotgun offense or gimmick offense. But it isn’t limited to them.
Personally I’d probably rather see Jones sit 9+ games as a rookie, a la Eli, Freeman, Cutler etc. then start him off the bat.
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Why
Personally I’d probably rather see Jones sit 9+ games as a rookie, a la Eli, Freeman, Cutler etc. then start him off the bat.
Alot of teams are starting their highly drafted rookies.
It’s not like we have better already on the team.
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Probably has more to do with being a young QB
but Landry struggled on the road last year, want to see how he does this year. As for being a shotgun QB, it honestly doesnt worries me.
+1 Justin Blackmon may end up as the #1 WR in the 2012 Draft!
If we have a good season… and end up in the 15-20 range in the 2012 Draft… we may end up with QB Nick Foles (or QB Kirk Cousins) as our only QB choice (Luck, Barkley and Landry Jones will be gone by then). We need to keep an eye on Foles and Blackmon!
mainly focusing on Redskins targets
While receivers could be an option, i’m guessing not with the top pick
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haha watch him all you want you won't be disappointed (just nice who is throwing too him)
I just didn’t want to focus on a guy the Redskins don’t really have a chance to get. Even if the Skins are a top 5 team, I’m thinking they go for a QB or OT
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QB Nick Foles' next 4 games... Oklahoma State, Stanford, Oregon and USC... If he does well... we need to seriously consider him!
agreed!
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Ahhhh I gotcha now
Yeah, I understand you man. I love Blackmon, but we don’t need a 1st round WR. I get your thinking. I love watching the kid play though.
Walter Football has Foles, Kirk Cousins, and A&Ms Ryan Tannehill
ranked higher on his QB draft prospects board than Weeden. I had Weeden ranked higher than those guys last season. He’s money, and I bet he’ll be that guy that flies up boards as we get closer to next April’s draft.
by Dammit Cerrato... on Sep 8, 2011 8:40 PM EDT reply actions
all those guys are 5 years younger that is why
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Oh really?
man, I’ll admit I didn’t know that
by Dammit Cerrato... on Sep 9, 2011 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions
nope, i'm not a big fan, i know Tiller is down on him as well
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Not a fan of Barkley at all
I put him behind 5 other QB’s
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To add
Jerel Worthy is another guy I’ll be looking at and as a question are there any ILB’s of note to watch? Dont’a Hightower was someone I liked, but his stock seems to be falling.
Hightowers only fell because of injury
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This segment is going to be so great this year
Great draft nuggets, Parks vs Tiller…it’s gonna be a good year on this segment
Kept a eye on
Vontaze Burfict last night. Good pass rusher, but underwhelmed me otherwise. Couldn’t shed blocks on runs.
by 2up2down on Sep 10, 2011 12:02 PM EDT via mobile reply actions

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