Giants Game Preview: 5 Questions with Big Blue View
Ed Valentine, the lead Editor for the Giants' SB Nation website, Big Blue View, answered some questions I had regarding the state of the Giants' defensive and offensive lines, what Redskin he would want most for his team, and a prediction.
1. Of all the injuries the Giants have had so far, which two have you most concerned and what matchups do you expect the Redskins to exploit?
Well, the two injuries that hurt the most are the losses of the two defensive starters -- cornerback Terrell Thomas and middle linebacker Jonathan Goff -- to season-ending injuries. The Thomas injury, coupled with season-enders to reservers Brian Witherspoon and Bruce Johnson, and No. 1 pick Prince Amukamara's broken foot, leaves the Giants with questions at corner. Can Aaron Ross hold up as the starter? Can veteran Brian Williams still be effective in the nickel? As for middle linebacker, Wednesday was the first time rookie sixth-round pick Greg Jones ever practiced with the starters. The Redskins will test the corners, I'm sure, and try to find ways to trick Jones.
2. The Giants are notorious for drafting defensive linemen. What's the current state of the DLine with Cofield out and Osi on the temporary shelf?
The defensive line is one of the things I don't think Giants fans should worry about. Linval Joseph will do fine replacing Cofield, and veterans Rocky Bernard and Jimmy Kennedy provide depth there. It's a real bummer that second-round pick Marvin Austin will miss the season (torn pectoral), but the Giants will be fine if Joseph is as good as they think he is going to be. At the end, you have Justin Tuck and Jason Pierre-Paul, and JPP is about ready to bust out and become dominant. He was unblockable at times during the preseason, and if he can stay healthy I think people will realize by the end of the season that the Giants knew what they were doing not caving in to Umenyiora and his selfish contract demands.
3. For those who might not pay close attention to every move made by teams other than the Redskins, can you go through the key additions and subtractions to the Giants roster this season?
Additions: Center David Baas (from San Francisco) is really about the only name free agent, though they did also bring in cornerback Brian Williams from Atlanta. The Giants have 10 rookies on their roster, including four rookie linebackers. A lot of what you see will be familiar, but the 'under-belly' of the roster is much younger and more athletic than it has been in the past.
Subtractions (tons of these); Kevin Boss, Steve Smith, Barry Cofield left as free agents. The Giants cut offensive linemen Rich Seubert and Shaun O'Hara.
You will see a revamped offensive line with Baas at center, David Diehl moving from left tackle to guard and Will Beatty taking over at left tackle.
4. If you could take one player off the Redskins roster and put him in the Giants lineup, who would it be? Why?
Chris Cooley. With Boss defecting to the Oakland Raiders the Giants have a huge question mark at tight end. They have a three-headed situation with Travis Beckum as the guy they hope will become a reliable pass catcher and Jake Ballard and Bear Pascoe primarily as blockers. In the preseason one issue the Giants had offensively is lack of production from those guys in the passing game, and with Smith and Boss gone the Giants are looking for a tight end or slot receiver to emerge and help them control the middle of the field.
5. The Giants OLine is getting a lot of attention for being the oldest in the NFL with prior injuries? What are your thoughts on avoiding a Cowboys' collapse in that department? Is their depth there? I thought I read 3rd round pick Brewer isn't working out like expected.
Well, as I mentioned the Giants have revamped that line. Beatty has looked really good in preseason and if he can handle left tackle they will be fine. I didn't know anything about Baas when the Giants signed him, but this guy is a good player. He has a mean streak, he has picked up the offense quickly and he is a guy who can move and get out on the edge, which the Giants always like. They should be OK depth-wise, with Mitch Petrus, Kevin Boothe and long-time veteran Stacy Andrews. Brewer was a fourth-round pick, and he is a project. I don't know if he will make it, but the Giants weren't really expecting him to play this year, anyway.
Bonus: Predict the final score?
21-20, Giants. I have to believe in my Giants, but it won't be easy. As a bonus answer to the bonus question I am going to guess that Devin Thomas -- who has been very impressive -- makes a big play in the return game to haunt his old team
Ah...twisting the knife with the Devin Thomas comment I see. A word of advice for someone who had excessive hope in that guy, don't hold your breath.
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nice contribution
I’m worried about their attack. Their running game is always strong and Eli can light it up when he has a chance. The Skins have to be disciplined to beat these guys.
DHall – Doughty scare me. If I’m Haslett, I’m preparing the D for a bombing on the left side.
Devin Thomas, HA!
More like he gets leveled by the two headed monster Sellers and Alexander! I think the difference maker in this game will be the sack-FF-TD our defense gets. Book it!
Devin Thomas was always talented... he just didn't take the game seriously.
Apparently, it took being kicked off 2 different teams (Redskins and Panthers) to finally make him mature enough to take the game seriously and improve mature as a player!
Junkies had a good point today too
Our secondary has still yet to play together once this pre-season. That leaves some wiggle room for Nicks and Eli to do their thing.
Hopefully the Redskins front 3 can disrupt the line enough. That must change from last year.
"It's a dog eat dog world, and I'm wearing Milkbone underwear." - Norm Peterson
absolutely...
the lack of playing time in our secondary has been a concern for me for a couple of weeks now. Probably my biggest concern. Well, that, and some of our linebackers ability to finish tackles on running plays between the tackles.
"Please don't dominate the rap, Jack, if you got nothin' new to say."-Robert Hunter
I'm not all that worried about the secondary
as long as Haslett doesn’t get too predictable with his blitzing we should be able to generate a lot of pressure to help them out.
We saw in the first part of the Ravens game the disruption they are able to cause and i’m just hoping that the Ravens getting a handle on it in the second quarter was down to the vanilla play calling.
The Giants WR corps is one of the more underrated ones in the league
I think both Nicks and Manningham are excellent, and could give us some problems if we don’t get jams on them at the LOS. The key is pressure on Eli. He’ll pick us apart if given the time. When he’s pressured, he’s well below average.
I’m not worried about the defense of the Giants. I’m worried about Rex forcing the ball, and producing turnovers. We are not going to see a dominate Giants D this year. I feel they will have trouble stopping the run, which will ultimately set up play action, and leave the middle of the field wide open.
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I am counting on our defense to take away their long passing game
With Orakpo and Kerrigan on the outside and an improved push in the middle, I expect a lot of screen passes and quick check downs from Manning. I’m also expecting us to get a sack-FF-TD from our defense, but maybe that’s just my spiked Kool Aid talking.
I can't agree with that Tiller..
Nicks and Mannigham did have 20 TDs combined last year but they also only have 1 1000YD season between them in their 5 total years in the league. After those two they are pedestrian with Hixon, Cruz, Jerrigan, and that “actor”, “model”, bad music video extra, and part time football player Devin Thomas.
@Callahan_9 on the twitter machine.
IDK D
Nicks in developing into one of the better young WR’s in the league, and Manningham is a great #2. I’m not saying they are all-pro just yet, but definitly a dangerous tandem, and a very underated one at that.
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Cruz
will be an interesting development this season. He’s shown flashes. He’s also has shown a case of the DROPS!
If someone takes Cruz on as a special project... he could be incredible!
I saw him last year, during pre-season, and thought he’d be a future star in the NFL!
Feast (mostly)
and some famine (drops) with Cruz. He was a preseason all star last year and played well for the most part this year. He is from a small school and is a project that is developing. Will he develop into a very good #3 or #2 is a question still being answered.
The guy the Giants have been developing for 3 years is Ramses Barden. That is who everyone wants to see become the #3. But he is starting the season on the PUP list. He is expected to come off of it after week 6.
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I agree.
Though it could be that we watched the ’Skins make them look good (Mannngham tip-toeing down the sideline untackled at Jints stadium is a particularly painful memory for me).
I think the Jints WR group is decent, well above average, but gets ignored when comared the the Iggles and C*wb*ys squads. This may well be unfair.
Also, I just want to point out that I always enjoy these pieces. Good to get the enemy perspective, in the run up to the game.
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by Stephen Beagrie on Sep 8, 2011 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Last season
Manningham – 60 944 9TD’s
Nicks(13 games) – 79 1052 11TD’s
This is the top tandem production wise in the NFC East(even better all around than Jackson and Macklin), and one of the top 5 in the NFL last season.
Now, what they are lacking is that big-play TE.
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Manningham
with a full year as a starter under his belt. Many Giants fans expect a huge year from MM>
from a giants fan to a redskins fan
u know ur stuff
by The Blood of Eli on Sep 8, 2011 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Years =/= games played or started
If they were the #1 and #2 WR’s on the team respectively for the past 3 years your comment might be relevant. Fact is they haven’t been. Nicks was sidelined for a few games last year and Manningham has had Plaxico and a healthy Steve Smith playing ahead of him his first 2 years in the league.
You’re boy Tiller knows whats up, they are a talented group. Top 5 duo in the league at least IMO.
FWIW, I wouldn’t trade the Giants pedestrian WR’s for the Skins entire WR corp.
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by Larry Soprano on Sep 8, 2011 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions
I 100% agree with this
FWIW, I wouldn’t trade the Giants pedestrian WR’s for the Skins entire WR corp.
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why dont u guys sign sinorice and see if his brother can teach him to play football?
by The Blood of Eli on Sep 8, 2011 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions
We're already at our limit
of guys trying to learn how to play football.
by CarverM on Sep 8, 2011 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Haha- Tiller knows his stuff...
Tiller cut and pasted stats. You guys don’t know Tiller…He kills people for posting stats and then uses them at his disgression. My point is that Nicks and Mannigham are nice but the other 4 are less than pedestrian. Hixon didn’t play last year and in his career he averages TEN (10) catches per year. Cruz had a nice preseason last year but has ZERO (0) career catches and Devin Thomas is a POS.
Therefore the “WR Corps” is not underrated, they are pedestrian as a whole. You guys could only hope that Nicks or Mannigham goes on to have a career like Santana Moss.
@Callahan_9 on the twitter machine.
Here are the key words
at his disgression
I “kill” people who use stats, and only stats to form their opinions. IMO, these “stat people” are people who don’t know much about the game itself, and just look at the numbers. I like to know what is behinf those numbers.
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gohwt
“FWIW, I wouldn’t trade the Giants pedestrian WR’s for the Skins entire WR corp.”
get outta here w/ that.. i put Moss right up there w/ the midgets top 2 and surely Gaff, Armstong and Austin and better than your “pedestrians”…….
I agree completely on your assessment of the Giants receivers....
It is absolutely key that we are able to run the ball successfully early and often. I think another thing to look for is our TE’s having a big game, especially if Cooley is healthy. The Giants biggest concern right now is MLB and , regardless of what you think about him in the big picture here, Chris definitely has a knack for working the middle of the field.
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definitely
if u guys are gonna move the football on us cooley has to be a part of the passing game
by The Blood of Eli on Sep 8, 2011 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd tend to agree with the others on the WRs
I think Nicks is a hell of a player but outside of him there isn’t a lot to worry about. Manningham is a decent enough #2 but there doesn’t seem to be alot behind those 2. Also as Big Blue noted there are still a lot of questions at TE for them.
The key is definitely keeping Nicks in check.
Manningham did great as a number 1 last year
when Nicks and Smith were out. (4 receptions for 101 yards and a td in Week 17 last year with Derek Hagan starting across from him)
I’d worry about him too if I were Shannahan
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-John Madden
questions at TE
we do have questions at TE however, it will affect our running game more than passing game. Under Couglin and Glibride we don’t utilize the TE enough.
Who is there to work the middle of the field?
I may be wrong but seem to remember Smith being very good at finding holes over the middle for you guys in the last few years. Is there anyone to step up with him and Boss gone?
we hope that will be Beckum or Cruz, but both are unproven
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by BigBlueIntervention on Sep 8, 2011 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions
You are correct
Smith was very good finding the holes. He will be missed and difficult to replace. The Giants under-utilize the TE position in the passing game. Boss was a very good blocker but average at best as a receiving threat. However, Boss was much better than our existing TE options. None are very good. Many Giants fans were expecting the team to pick up a TE or two after last weeks cuts. It never happened.
noone
but boss wasnt a factor in the passing game… his few receptions that he would get were usually dump offs or just blatant bites by a safety on the play action
we will miss him in the running game because he was an excellent run blocker
by The Blood of Eli on Sep 8, 2011 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions
they will have trouble stopping the run
The Giants were 8th last season against the run. Osi is terrible against the run and he’s not playing. Canty is solid. Losing Goff will hurt vs the run. Linval Joseph should be very capable.
Tiller, why will the Giants have difficulty with the run this year?
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I thought that might be the answer.
It all starts up front though. Our Dline is outstanding against the run. In particular Justin Tuck. Add in Rolle and Ross who are both outstanding tacklers, and Phillips and Grant who are very good tacklers. Plus, we play alot of 4-2-5 with 3 safety’s on the field.
While it would seem that the Giants will be hurt at LB in stopping the run, I don’t think the loss of Goff is going to take the Giants all the way down to the bottom half of the league at stopping the run.
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Yes.
But where you can make some hay is in the middle of the field in the passing game.
If you guys run it well, which is certainly possible, you can PA and attack where we are weak.
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IF
the running game is working I agree, but then if the Skins can’t run the ball and have to RELY on Grossman to thrown it…..uh yeah!
The G-men victory percentage increases two-fold!
True.
But if your defense is stopping us, and the game is close, then Shanny may not feel forced to try and beat us with Rex throwing it.
I am shaping my opinion as this week goes on and the more I think about it, the more I think it will be low scoring.
But I’m still forming my opinion, so it can change!
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low-scoring
indeed, the confidence factor for the Skins qb’s doesn’t look so good at the moment. At least Eli can come through in tight situation. I’m still not sold on Beck (perhaps Kyle Shanahan is seeing him as the next Schaub)…..To be continued!
I'm banking on Eli scoring a lot of points
for the Redskins.
better take your money out the bank before you go broke
Team Greg Jones
Team Jerry Reese
by BigBlueIntervention on Sep 8, 2011 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Im counting on Rex Grossman
To turn the ball over too.
by Late for Dinner on Sep 8, 2011 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions
I've always hated Tuck
he’s alot like Trent Cole to me in that he always seems to have his best game against the Redskins. I think y’all are still looking for that presence at LB that you haven’t had since Antonio Pierce fell off. I also think that y’all will miss Cofield more than you’d like to let on. Right now, it’s almost like your girlfriend left you for another man and you’re in denial about how much more fun she was in the sack when compared to the ‘slump-busters’ that you’re bringing home from the bar these days. Not that your d-line is terrible, but I just haven’t seen that much from Canty. Being a Virginia boy, I was sad to see him go to the Cowboys and even more perplexed when you guys picked him up after he underachieved in Dallas. Perhaps I’m talking out of my ass here (it happens), but that’s just what I think about it.
You're not wrong about Cofield
at least in my eyes. I really was hoping we could keep him cause he was awesome for us last year. The money just wasnt there. As for Canty, he did look good in the pre season and the reports from camp about him were positive. He definitely underachieved in Dallas and he definitely has not lived up to that 42 million we gave him yet. We will see though
by The Blood of Eli on Sep 8, 2011 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions
That damn "we will see"
that’s the most nerve-racking part of preseason debate. We all stand to be made into liars in just a few days. I almost hate to look back over what I said the previous week come Monday mornings.
Wisdom right here...
But I have a higher opinion of Canty than Blood. He was a double team devourer last year, and that enabled Cofield to shine, and get paid.
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I'm really not that concerned
with the Giants offense. Cofield and Bowen to a degree will both be sharp with pre-snap reads. I doubt either Bradshaw or Jacobs will be rumbling into the secondary much.
Eli will struggle on 3rd downs w/o Steve Smith and Kevin Boss IMO.
Ask any Giants fans how much faith they have in a Kevin Gilbride gameplan… His nickname is Kill drive on BBV.
Kicking to Banks will be the eventual undoing as the Skins coast to a blowout win making it 5 straight home opening victories. HAIL!
by el freako on Sep 8, 2011 8:54 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Killdrive
Yes we do give him alot of shit at BBV, but that is because we want to hold him to a higher standard.
Fact remains the Giants have had a top 10 Offense with him the past 3 years. Oh, and he was the OC during that whole SB Championship run.
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by Larry Soprano on Sep 8, 2011 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions
I feel dirty defending him, haha.
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by Larry Soprano on Sep 8, 2011 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions
LOL
You explained it perfectly Larry. We want to hold him to a higher standard.
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lol
defending gilbride? ed valentine has gotta see this
by The Blood of Eli on Sep 8, 2011 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions
KIlldrive
biggest fault is he can become very predictable especially in certain circumstances. Short yardage, in the red zone and inside the 10. Although, Gilbride takes the criticism I’ve often felt it was more Coughlin handcuffing him than Gilbrides game planning or play calling.
The key to the game is to make sure Jacobs gets another good hit on Eli

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by The Blood of Eli on Sep 8, 2011 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions
You tell 'em Blood!
I was thinking about you when I first saw this and the incorrect caption!
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Jacobs and Nicks are keys on Offense; Tuck on Defense
The keys to the game will be to prevent Jacobs from ripping off 10-15 yard gains every time he touches the ball, with lots of yards after contact.
Nicks is very physical and matches up very well against our DB’s..He is hard to jam and gets yards-after-catch with regularity
On Defense, it is real simple: Keep Tuck and Pierre-Paul off of Rex or we are going to see strip sacks more than once
I'll agrue that it's Bradshaw and Nicks
as he(Bradshaw) is not one-dimensional like Jacobs.
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Most Giants fans would disagree
Jacobs is the catalyst on offense. He sets the tone. He had his snaps limited last year to allow Bradshaw to be the feature back as well as rest BJ so he could last the whole year. IMO (as well as many at BBV), the Giants went too far and didn’t give Jacobs the rock enough. Many of us are hoping that he will get a more even share of the carries this year.
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by Larry Soprano on Sep 8, 2011 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions
Not sure that's true, as I know way too many Giants fans.
Jacobs is average and injury prone.
He can run over a few guys, but has trouble making people miss.
His numbers have been declining and he takes away carries from a far more effective RB.
So, by all means, please keep giving Jacobs the ball.
"By far the worst performers on the (Redskins) are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
I'll never forget the time
I saw Jacobs got tripped by someone grabbing his ankle after gaining one yard on a second and ten, and he got up pounding his chest like he was the greatest….
I don’t mind them giving him the ball
Jacobs had 9 TDs, the 6th most 20+ yd runs in the league, and the 2nd highest YPC in the league behind only Jamaal Charles
Team Greg Jones
Team Jerry Reese
by BigBlueIntervention on Sep 8, 2011 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions
the most important number there
is the YPC one. 5.6 is sick, and there’s nothing there showing me decline.
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wasn't a small sample size either...147 carries
Team Greg Jones
Team Jerry Reese
by BigBlueIntervention on Sep 8, 2011 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions
hopefully both numbers go up this year
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Jacobs is still a monster, but if you give him more carries his ypc will most definitely go down. You should keep him in that role with a few more carries a game but he takes hits and delivers them and it wears him down throughout the season. He’s your change of pace back, but not the change of pace other teams have with speed, he’ll break your face!
probably
but they make a good combination. BJ is pure power. Bradshaw makes lots of defenders miss and he has sneaky power. He breaks lots of tackles.
Jacobs reminds me of Christian Okoye
The Nigerian Nightmare
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im a younger giants fan born in the 80s
but my father says that everytime we watch the giants
by The Blood of Eli on Sep 8, 2011 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Okoye
was more slimmer than Jacobs, however he was NEVER the same once Steve Atwater cracked his cabbage.
I have advocated a 60 (Bradshaw)-40 (Jacobs) type split
for about the first 8 games. Then flip the split for the second half. I’d like to see the bigger Jacobs fresher late in the year when getting hit by him hurts defenders alot more. We play 5 of our last 7 games in the Meadowlands.
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that's true
but not much more under his career 4.6 per. so if we get that and say 200 carries, color me happy.
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The best of his career
average with declining #’s. PULL-EASE
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2nd highest YPC but 36th in carries
and his YPC in ’09 was miserable.
He’s a solid power back who can come in and rip off some runs as part of an RBBC, but he isn’t a key on offense and he’s the 2nd best RB they have.
"By far the worst performers on the (Redskins) are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
don't disagree with you there, but I'd say he's probably the best complement back in the league
outside of maybe Thomas Jones.
Team Greg Jones
Team Jerry Reese
by BigBlueIntervention on Sep 8, 2011 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Thomas Jones is awful.
Jacobs is solid but nothing spectacular.
"By far the worst performers on the (Redskins) are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
Very true.
Outstanding in a tandem.
And he had bad wheels in 2009. All of last year and again this year his legs are healthy. Look out.
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but what's '09 have to do with anything?
i’d say that’s more of an aberration, as it’s his only down year since he’s been the lead back, or a major cog in a committee. not the norm, that’s for sure. he’s def. a key on offense, he helps keep the team on the field, moving the chains, and then when they are close, punching it in.
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He was injured for most of that year
And he rebounded really nicely last year
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-John Madden
Even if thats true (I still think hes a very capable back)
he generally does well against the ’skins, particularly early in the games where we have struggled to slow him down
Injury prone
it’s more cause by how BJ plays the game. He’s a big guy. He takes and gives lots of hits. He’s so big that many defenders go low to make the tackles. They hit him on his thighs and knees. In now way am I suggesting they’re dirty tackles.
"he has trouble making people miss"
i think major wright would disagree with you there.
Also the injury prone thing is a bit overplayed. he has played in 86 out of a possible 96 career games. he has a penchant to get nicked up sometime, that’s true. but last year and all of preseason so far he’s been injury free, and running hard.
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haha yea that was a fun day.
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Giant LB'z SUCK!!? Mark Herzlich, Greg Jones,Spencer Paysinger...Maybe not..
You need a check-down guy out of the backfield
and Bradshaw gives you that.
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Although Jacobs isn't as sure handed as Bradshaw, he has shown the ability to catch a pass out of the backfield.
But, you are right. The true pass catching threat between the two is Bradshaw. It’s nice that the Giants have options though :)
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by Larry Soprano on Sep 8, 2011 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions
I would have said Fred Davis
To me, Travis Beckum isn’t that much different than Cooley in the sense that he is an undersized pass catching TE/H-Back. The Giants don’t need another one of those.
I think that the Skins severly underutilize Fred Davis.
I thought about London Fletcher too, but we basically have his clone in Greg Jones (minus his experience as well as mileage on the body).
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I don't disagree with you as such.....
but I think you are underestimating Cooley (a little) and Fletcher (much more). I agree that we underutilize Davis, and he might even be a better fit for the Giants, but keep in mind Cooley does have a couple of pro-bowls under his belt. He might not be Dallas Clark, but he is still closer to Clark than Beckum.
Look out for London this year, with the upgrades across the DL he is going to be an absolute monster this season.
"Please don't dominate the rap, Jack, if you got nothin' new to say."-Robert Hunter
London is awesome.
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Beckum is like Cooley minus the talent
Same for Fletch & whoever Greg Jones is.
"By far the worst performers on the (Redskins) are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
I don't dispute Cooley > Beckum
They Giants however haven’t been successful thinking outside the box and utilizing a player that fits the mold of Chris Cooley. Beckum has talent. He is not a TE. I am interested to see how they play him this year.
Many Giants fans see Greg Jones as having the potential to be a baller like London. Smart, athletic, undersized, chip on shoulder based on where they were taken (I know Fletch was an UDFA). He is not London Fletcher, got it. However, Fletcher is in the twilight of his playing career and has the benefit of hiding his age as an ILB in a 3-4. If I could get a few years out of him then yeah I would definetly have him on the Giants. For now, I’ll role the dice with the rook.
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by Larry Soprano on Sep 8, 2011 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions
Everyone seems to think their young LBs have the potential to be HOFs
before they ever take the field. A lot of people around here fall into the same category regarding Perry Riley. Recently, it seems like inside linebackers have been one among the trickier positions to project coming out of college and preseason offers little-to-no insight into regular season potential at this position more than just about any other.
cautiously optimistic
is what I call it. They’re still young and rookies. They weren’t exposed to much during the preseason especially against 2nd and 3rd teamers. They did play with lots of speed and enthusiasm. I think that’s what excited Giants fans. We haven’t had much excitement at the LB position for many years.
I agree. And it bothers me a little bit.
I understand being excited and optimistic about a young player, but it’s the projections and surety of those projections that are annoying.
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Exactly.
Every fanbase does it every year. Stating that the Giants have a “London Fletcher Clone” in a 6th round rookie (although I expected Jones to go much, much higher coming out of MSU) is a bit of hyperbole.
Hope and BS wrapped into one.
Parcells once said something like this: “Let’s not induct him into Canton just yet,” when asked about Shockey when he was drafted in 2002. (Some media fella was comparing him to Bavaro.) Another good one from Parcells about young player hype was “let’s put away the anointing oils for now.”
His pressers were must see TV. :-)
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Before he was even drafted
He was getting talked about in vein of London Fletcher.
Whether he can be as good is up to see
Self-praise is for losers. Be a winner. Stand for something. Always have class, and be humble.
-John Madden
This giants blogger can't tell us anything ESPN already hasn't...
Brilliance from Scouts Inc.’s breakdown of the matchup:
Look for Washington’s coverage units to try and force the Giants drive the length of the field.
Also, look for the Washington Redskins to try to win the game, but don’t be fucking shocked if the New York Giants try to win the game, too.
What it really comes down to
What it really comes down to is points. I have a feeling that the team that scores the most points will win this game.
by Art Vandalay on Sep 8, 2011 10:42 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Very John Maddenish Art. LOL
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Actually, that is an actual John Madden Quote.
So is this:
“The purpose of the center during the snap is to get the ball to the quarterback; and if that doesn’t happen it usually results in a fumble”
see, well ya see, the thing is, if the quaterback completed a pass in the endzone, and the wide reciever holds onto the ball, than that's a touchdown
Hey, the offensive linemen are the biggest guys on the field, they're bigger than everybody else, and that's what makes them the biggest guys on the field.
OMG.
Classic stuff right there. He was brilliant as a comedian. :-)
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Easy there killer
What specifically do you have an issue with in the answers that were provided by Ed in the short Q&A?
Anything that myself or fellow BBV bloggers can expand on that you otherwise won’t get from BSPN?
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by Larry Soprano on Sep 8, 2011 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, got the sarcasm part
Also, look for the Washington Redskins to try to win the game, but don’t be fucking shocked if the New York Giants try to win the game, too.
But I don’t get the connection between Ed’s responses and BSPN’s normal rhetoric.
You have a question about the Giants, SB Nation is the forum to ask. Ask away.
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by Larry Soprano on Sep 8, 2011 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions
typical ESPN garbage
look for the Washington Redskins to try to win the game
no one said it better than Herm. “You play to win the game”
That's news? " Look for The Redskins to try to win the game"?
They actually said that?
LMAOOOOFFFFF
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I think the key to the game is both OLs against the pass rushes of the Defenses
We have a new LT in William Beatty, and its imperative that he doesn’t let Orakpo beat him too often. I’m not as concerned about McKenzie, but Kerrigan definitely poses a threat. It will also be pretty interesting to see how your new addition cofield does against our new addition Baas.
On the flipside, not going to lie, Trent Williams showed flashes of brilliance from what I saw, but he still allowed I believe 12.5 sacks. JPP really came on as of late last season, and erupted this preseason, but I still question his consistency. Both flash all pro potential and it should be the most interesting matchup of the game. On the other side, Tuck vs Brown should be a good one as well, though I have to give the advantage to Tuck. We have two big guys in Canty and Joseph, so if the Skins’ interior OL can hold them back, its good news for you guys.
Whoever wins this matchup is definitely going to win the game.
Team Greg Jones
Team Jerry Reese
by BigBlueIntervention on Sep 8, 2011 10:28 AM EDT reply actions
Spot on. It has always been and will always be whoever wins the line of scrimmage.
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by Larry Soprano on Sep 8, 2011 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions
If I'm a Giants fan
I don’t feel very comfortable with Beatty at LT. Actually, I’m scared shitless.
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why? In all the games he played last year, he didn't allow a single sack.
The only problem he’s had was with penalties…and he’s been groomed for the LT spot for the last 3 years.
Granted though, I’m pretty sure Orakpo scares anybody shitless, so there’s that.
Team Greg Jones
Team Jerry Reese
by BigBlueIntervention on Sep 8, 2011 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions
But who needs to get sacks against him
with the ridiculous rate at which he gives up penalties? Aside from the loss of down and the chance of getting the sack-fumble (which our defense seems to rarely ever do), I’m almost as happy with those 10-yard holding penalties as I am with sacks.
pertinent point. I can only hope he stops those.
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Team Jerry Reese
by BigBlueIntervention on Sep 8, 2011 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions
I see a lot of Winston Justice in Beatty
both the good and the bad
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I hope you are wrong. I compare Beatty to a younger player...Rodger Saffold.
Team Greg Jones
Team Jerry Reese
by BigBlueIntervention on Sep 8, 2011 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Not a bad comparison either
but Saffold has just one year in the league, so it’s tough to get a book on him just yet. Saffold has a little shorter arms, and holds the poing of attack a little better, but Beatty is the better overall athlete of the two.
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He is a little weak in the upper body
and doesn’t have the strongest base. I have seen him become succeptable to the bull-rush, both in College at UConn, and in his limited time in the NFL. He does have good feet, which is a huge plus, but he needs to use his hands more, and not allow defenders into his body. This is where he seems to struggle a bit.
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That's very true, and was a problem in the past.
This past preseason he’s been alot more solid, though. He added 20+ lbs of muscle this offseason. He is now at 325 lbs as opposed to 305 last season. This has allowed him to be more stout against bullrushers.
Team Greg Jones
Team Jerry Reese
by BigBlueIntervention on Sep 8, 2011 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions
You guys still got my boy Chris Snee
who was from near my hometown in PA. That boy is good!
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real good haha, though he hasn't been as dominant lately
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Team Jerry Reese
by BigBlueIntervention on Sep 8, 2011 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions
He's got nothing left to work for
Super Bowl ring, pro bowl, married the coaches daughter………………..whats left?
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HOF
Team Greg Jones
Team Jerry Reese
by BigBlueIntervention on Sep 8, 2011 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions
I hope
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Team Jerry Reese
by BigBlueIntervention on Sep 8, 2011 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions
haha
he’ll have to play till he’s 45 for that recognition.
He is good though. I hope he bounces back for u guys this year…………..just not against us : )P
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couldn't think of anything else lol
same sentiment goes for Cofield. Wish him a probowl year, just not against us.
Team Greg Jones
Team Jerry Reese
by BigBlueIntervention on Sep 8, 2011 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Because Orakpo destroyed Beatty when they matched up in week 12?
Beatty held his own against him that game as well as his other opportunities to play last year.
Orakpo vs. Beatty – 2 tackles, 2 assists, ZERO sacks, ZERO QB hits
Beatty’s had a stellar camp and preseason. Giants fans are very comfortable with Beatty at LT this week as well as the rest of the year.
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by Larry Soprano on Sep 8, 2011 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions
I was waiting to read this.
If I didn’t I was going to list this. Orakpo did NOTHING against Beatty. Maybe this Sunday he has more success, he is a very good player, but we are responding to the comment that we should be worried about Beatty.
I’m very anxious to watch him perform, but not worried.
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the biggest concern
for Beatty is staying healthy.
Here's my Q&A answers with Big Blue View...feel free to join on that thread as well
http://www.bigblueview.com/2011/9/8/2411141/five-questions-with-hogs-haven
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Thanks BB guys
I think most of us appreciate your insights and taking the time to share them with us. I wish the Jints better luck with the injuries. While I’m a Skins fan, I do like the Jints better then Dallas or the Eagles.
much appreciated Dipper, if I had to give up the division to another rival, it'd be you guys haha.
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Team Jerry Reese
by BigBlueIntervention on Sep 8, 2011 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions
Everyone in the Division says that
Because hating the Redskins is like hating that kid that lost his leg in a freak omlette related accident. He sure does try hard, but you’re pretty sure that when push comes to shove, you’ll have him on the ground, beating him with his own prostetic leg.
hahaha
FWIW I think you guys have as good a shot as any this year, but I’m not going to lie, probably one of my favorite moments in recent past was the “Swinging Gate”
Team Greg Jones
Team Jerry Reese
by BigBlueIntervention on Sep 8, 2011 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions
LOL. I was there for that. What a way to end the half.
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by Larry Soprano on Sep 8, 2011 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions
I was there for that too
but thankfully, I was so drunk by that point in the season that I can barely remember it.
I was at that game too.
When the Gints called time out in my section we were all yelling “Run it again!” Then, when they did we were all yelling “S#$t! Noooooooo”
Ha. Good times!!!!
All we had to do was lose the Tampa game (which we almost did), lay an egg against Denver, which started 8-0 or something ridiculous and miss the one field goal against the Lambs and we would have had Sam Bradford. A couple of swinging gate plays in each game and we would have been set at QB for a long long long time.
Hahaha Laugh away foolish Jints fans
We got 8 receivers on the roster. We are gonna run the play 40 times against you. And once it works, LOOKOUT!!!!!
might wanna send someone in to block for your passer next time
Team Greg Jones
Team Jerry Reese
by BigBlueIntervention on Sep 8, 2011 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions
freak omelette related accident
i need to visualize how that would go down……..
Yes, I am a Giants fan. Now that we got that out of the way....
IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
I will not - lose! -Jay Z-
While visualizing
Don’t forget the whipped cream and jumper cables.
LOL
I just think there is more hatred of the Cowboys and Eagles in general.
I see the Giants and the Redskins as more of the “good guys” in the division.
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While I hate the Giants, don't get me wrong
you guys are far more tolerable than the Eagles and Cowboys. The amicable and logical discourse that is going on here reinforces that. If we opened our board up to the Eagles or ’Boys fanbase, it would be a circus of stupidity and poor grammar.
You guys too, eh?
The Eagle fans are, in general, more rude. Although there are some really good guys, the jerks seem to stick in my mind more. :-)
I have had good luck for the most part when I converse with Cowboy fans. I hear alot of people say what you are saying about them but my experiences with them have been pretty good.
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The overall quality of Dallas Cowboys fans in Virginia,
in my observation, is quite poor. It seems these tend to be the types of people who believe whatever the television tells them.
That has got to be frustrating.
Know-it-alls who know nothing…
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4.
Cooley would be a great addition to the Giants.
Colts owner Jim Irsay tweeted that Manning could be out "awhile."
If Manning goes out for the season and the Colts suck bad enough to draft Luck, I think I’ll have a heart attack.
"If a man speaks and there is no woman around to hear him, is he still wrong???"
wow never thought of that.....what a qb to have waiting and learning behind one of the best in the game
Luck learning behind Manning would be ideal for them.
If it's as bad as it sounds
and Manning misses a full year we might never see him play again which would be a real shame.
But going straight from Manning to Luck? That just wouldn’t be fair.
I was about to say that never happens...
Farve – Rodgers
Montana – Young
McBadd – Vick/Kolb
But wait…..Marino…………..
That’s almost as bad as Baugh……..Jugenson…….umm…..for us.
no sold on the
McBadd – Vick yet. Let’s first see Vick duplicate last season. Everything went right last season.
Yeah on occasion it happens
and it’s painful to see given our and many other teams struggles to just get one even half decent guy!
I think Manning will be back but if not I don’t think a team has ever gone from rookie starting for 10-15 years straight into another rookie with just as much potential (and better mobility)!
Roy Helu
what’s the scouting report on Helu. I have him on one of my fantasy teams.
We haven't seen a whole lot of him so far
but i’m very impressed with what we have seen. Looks like the perfect fit for the scheme and he has a great combination or speed and vision.
Hightower is very much the feature back going into the season but Helu is the #2 and should see a good amount of carries, and that will only increase if Hightower continues to put the ball on the turf like he has in the past.
At this point
with Hightower set to get the majority of the snaps, I can’t imagine that Helu will get enough touches to really be fantasy-relevant. He does seem to have the potential to take any carry/catch for 6, though.
agreed but if fumbilitus strikes hightower and helu stays sharp that could change dratically
I took helu in the last round of several of my drafts
I’m not convinced Helu steps right into the feature back slot if Hightower either goes down or puts the ball down. I think Torain becomes the number one guy, but the split leans more toward even than it would between Hightower and Helu. Of course all that gets thrown out the window depending on what Helu shows. But for the early part of the season at least, I think this is the case.
I think some keys key to this game
are the referees because I lost count of the number of Redskin losses the referees created. Another key to the game is Troy" I don’t ever remember playing football " Aikmans color commentary. The more he likes Grossman, the better Grossman will play and this could help the Redskins win.
Anyone else interested to see the rematch
between Corey Webster and Santana Moss? I’m pretty sure the last time we played they got into a fist fight. It was definitely one of our games from last season though.
by The Blood of Eli on Sep 8, 2011 2:36 PM EDT reply actions
I forgot about that!
Thanks for the reminder, Blood.
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i love a good boxing match during a football game.
a lot of people make it out to be a lot more serious than it is when it happens, and I think Roger Goodell and the NFL made it clear that they do not view fist fights as that big of a deal. (see Andre Johnson and Courtland Finnegan NO SUSPENSION)
Talk to anyone who played the game or coached the game. We have ALL been in NUMEROUS fist figths both on the game field and on the practice field. It is part of the game.
by The Blood of Eli on Sep 8, 2011 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions
We've had several already this preseason
there was even one the day I attended Redskin’s camp. This team will brawl, if nothing else.

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