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As we do each week, here's our Q&A with SB Nation blog, Turf Show Times. Thanks to 3k for his exrtemely thorough replies to our six questions. Steven Jackson had limited practice on Wednesday with his quad injury. Below, 3k gives us the Rams' fans' pulse on Spags, Bradford, Chris Long, and Jason Smith. He also throws in a prediction (homer alert!).

1.) Whats the story on Jason Smith? Rams took him 2nd overall a few years back, was supposedly a franchise LT, and has only played RT for them. I believe he also got benched last week. Has he shown them anything at all or is he just never going to reach his potential?

The story is the story is the story.  In short, he's not progressing.  With Alex Barron on the roster in 2009, the intent was to give him time at RT before moving over to the left.  Injuries curtailed his rookie campaign, and in the 2010 draft, GM Billy Devaney pulled a stunner (which is at this point not stunning) by going for a tackle at the top of round 2 in Indiana product Rodger Saffold.  The initial thought was that Smith would move to LT and Saffold would take over at RT, but by the end of camp it was Saffold setting up to protect Sam Bradford's blindside.  Since then, it's been Saffold who has improved and Smith who has leveled off.  Smith was outright benched last week and was taken out for an ankle injury (that nobody saw and that can't be found on tape) in week one against the Eagles.  There's serious concern among Rams fans both for his development and his future since the Rams are pouring money into his bank account: $8.5m this year, $10m in '12 and $12m in '13.  The reality is that he's playing his way into being released after this year if he doesn't turn it around quickly and significantly.

2.)  What's the feeling on Sam Bradford and his struggles year two? (Any chance you'd want to trade him for our next two 1st round picks?)

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It's a factor of multiple changes and limitations out of his control, IMO.  In year one, his most dependable receiving options were Danny Amendola and Mark Clayton until Clayton was lost for the season in a week 5 embarrassment in Detroit.  Amendola's elbow bent a way human elbows aren't designed to bend against the Eagles and Clayton's on the PUP list for a few more weeks, so he's had to work with a list of receivers that don't exactly have opponents shaking: Mike Sims-Walker, Brandon Gibson and Danario "I've had 5 surgeries on the same knee" Alexander.  Add to that the fact that he's adjusting to a new offensive coordinator, Josh McDaniels, in his second season, and he's got a lot of change to adjust to.  Being in the NFC West, Rams fans are worried that he's going to be Alex Smith'd (seven OCs in six seasons...) and the lack of continuity will hold him back.  But his talent is still ridiculous.  His touchdown throw to Gibson last week was stupid amazing, and it's the kind of play that has Rams fans holding out hope he'll be able to right the ship quickly.  He's got to get better at red zone reads though.  And two first round picks is ridiculously enticing. 

3.) What are fans' patience level with Steve Spagnuolo right now? 

Thin as a model in weird European magazines.  And it's not just the 0-3 start; it's the performances therein.  The Rams outplayed the Giants for the majority of the week 2 Monday Night Football game, but two costly turnovers (a muffed punt return and a dropped lateral screen returned for a TD) to go along with two deep red zone possessions-turned field goals suggested a lack of focus.  Allowing Torrey Smith, arguably the most one-dimensional rookie WR in the league whose game is built off of pure straight line speed, to beat you over the top three times in the first quarter is just inexcusable.  He doesn't get fired up a la John Gruden or Bill Cowher, and that doesn't rub fans the right way when your team is losing.  And his reluctance to get after the referees after questionable calls does nothing to help him.  Jason Smith got into a scuffle last week after the play, and the Ravens defensive player (whose name eludes me right now) threw Jason Smith to the ground.  Smith got flagged, and Spags though visibly upset did not lose his mind.  Any sane coach in that situation loses his mind.  Shanahan would have broken a facial blood vessel all over the ref's face.

4.) The Rams defense is in the bottom 5 in a ton of categories. What parts of the D are your weak links and which parts are your strengths? 

The obvious weak link is the secondary.  We lost our #1 CB (Ron Bartell) to a doubly-fractured neck in week 1 and our #3 CB (Jerome Murphy) in the preseason for the duration of the 2011 campaign.  In their place, the Rams promoted Justin King is (and this is the nicest thing anyone will say about him all season) not good at playing cornerback in the NFL.  Teams are going after him from the snap.  I noted last week in my Q&A with Baltimore Beatdown, the SB Nation community for the Ravens, that I expected Flacco to target him early.  If you didn't hear about Torrey Smith's week, you don't pay attention to football headlines.  That being said, the only reason the Shanahans shouldn't have Grossman going after him is if he's out of the game.  He's just an unavoidable deficiency that injuries created.  As for the strength, I'd point to the D-line.  First round pick Robert Quinn has come along quickly after being inexplicably inactive in week 1 (did I mention Spags wasn't the most popular coach?), and Chris Long is a 60-minute terror to deal with.  Defensive tackle isn't a strength; many Rams fans were hoping to scoop Cofield.

5.) Obviously, the Rams have had the Skins number I think 3 of the last 4 meetings. What's your prediction for the game and why? 

Man, everyone asks me this and I always take the homer route...so you know damn well I'm a do it again!  27-17 Rams.  But it's also out of self-interest.  If the Rams go 0-4 into the bye and put out a lackluster performance like what they've shown in the first three weeks, Turf Show Times is going to be an unenjoyable place for two weeks.

6.) What's the feeling on Chris Long? The stats don't seem to be there. Are fans/team still high on him and what are expectations for Sunday and this year?

Classical stats aren't.  Part of that is a lack of supporting weapons.  Teams doubled teamed him often in his first two seasons, daring other defensive linemen to win their battles.  Last year, James Hall did just that, and the matchups this year have been much more favorable for Long this year.  As for the fans, I think there's a split between fans who see the final stat line and put a lot of weight into sacks as the ultimate determination of a defensive end's play and those who see things on tape that suggest otherwise.  It was a point I tried to make earlier this month using Rams legend Deacon Jones and Julius Peppers as notables in the piece.  I'd say this: casual fans who don't see the Rams may not take note of him.  But I guarantee coaches and assistants who watch tape make sure that offensive lines are well aware of him going in to each week.

Feel free to ask any more questions as 3k will be checking this thread often.

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Thanks again Kevin

and great questions.

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by 3k on Sep 29, 2011 12:49 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

pleasure is all on this side of the table

HH – Here are my replies to his questions…feel free to jump on their thread too foro any Skins questions.

http://www.turfshowtimes.com/2011/9/29/2457868/St-Louis-Rams-Washington-Redskins-opponent-proponents-q-a-with-hogs-haven

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by Kevin Ewoldt on Sep 29, 2011 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Great answers

I love Chris Long and he is the one that scares me, if the Rams are smart they will just let him dominate Jamaal Brown all day

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by Steve Shoup on Sep 29, 2011 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

3K, I know Shannahan was VERY high on Bradford; we were supposedly trying to trade for him last year

So a couple picks isn’t out of the question.

Having nothing to do with this weeks game, though, are the Rams in a full rebuild mode or not? Last year felt like a Bradford led aberration; there was a reason the Rams had the first pick that spring. This year, it seems like they are regressing a lot back to how they had been. So it seems you are following behind us in the “rebuild without saying it” phase. When, realistically, would you think you will have rebuilt?

No Danny, Nooooooo - Tom Landry, 1982., and Washington Redskins fans, 1999-

by BillWard on Sep 29, 2011 1:10 PM EDT reply actions  

I'd give it another year

The cornerback injuries have been absolutely brutal. I don’t know what we did to the football gods, but they really don’t like the post-GSOT Rams. The regression isn’t as much about talent as it is a lack of experience with Sam at QB and with the offense under first-year OC Josh McDaniels. And the only player from the previous GM’s tenure is Steven Jackson. Out with the old indeed. But you can’t just fill in every single position on the roster aside from starting RB with talented players in three years. We’re close, but we need to get some consistency across the board. So I’d give it one more offseason.

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by 3k on Sep 29, 2011 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

It wont happen

But I would love to see the skins rise above their opponent and just dominate a game in all phases INCLUDING SCORE.

As opposed to playing down and keeping them in game / losing / giving me a heart attack.

Has anyone noticed that this year we seem to be a slow starting team. Like we never score any points in the first quarter? This is just off the top of my head and I don’t know if the stats really support that or not. It would be easy to look up but i’m lazy.

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by Al_CaPWNED on Sep 29, 2011 1:22 PM EDT reply actions  

honestly I'd prefer that then what we were last year

a number of games we did very well on our first quarter drives, but by halftime the other team was making adjustments and we could stop them.

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by Steve Shoup on Sep 29, 2011 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think

it’s funny that Mike Shanahan’s face is litterally red.. he’s the best redskins fan ever lol

by Ramfest on Sep 29, 2011 1:54 PM EDT reply actions  

lol

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by RedskinsGirl on Sep 29, 2011 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Justin Tryon just released

Do we make a move on him? Just to build up some depth?
(Sorry, didn’t know where else to post this.)

HTTR!

by mkjo on Sep 29, 2011 2:55 PM EDT reply actions  

that is shocking

I would totally sign him, he probably should have been starting on the Colts but they seem to be in disarray right now.

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by Steve Shoup on Sep 29, 2011 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Question is, who do you release to sign him?

He’s not PS eligible.

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by BillWard on Sep 29, 2011 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Brandon Banks

Seriously though Tryon > Westbrook

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by Parks Smith on Sep 29, 2011 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

maybe release Thompson? can’t see them releasing Banks

HTTR!

by mkjo on Sep 29, 2011 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

(Sorry, didn’t know where else to post this.)

Can always do a FanShot or FanPost for news like this.

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by Kevin Ewoldt on Sep 29, 2011 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think

Anyone really pays attention to the FanShots. I posted one yesterday, and even I forgot about it.

Where do they teach you to talk like this? In some Panama City "Sailor wanna hump-hump" bar, or is it getaway day and your last shot at his whiskey? Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.

by CJHutch on Sep 29, 2011 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed.

FanShots get 0-1 comments per (if they aren’t promoted to the front page).

by preppiejack on Sep 29, 2011 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

I liked tryon when he was here

Looked like he could develop into a solid nickel, I don’t thinly we pick him up though with Philip comin back after the bye week, though it would be a shrewd move to keep the giants or cowboys who are anemic at corner to sign him

by BmoreRedskin on Sep 29, 2011 5:22 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Every single “expert” at CBS sports has the Rams winning. ’Skins have to get it done. The Cowboys get love no matter how horrible the play (and they did Monday), but the Redskins can do no right.

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by caps&skins on Sep 29, 2011 5:10 PM EDT reply actions  

Oddsmakers on Yahoo have us 1 to 2 point favorites

There was an article on Yahoo saying the Rams are now favored by one, but that could be just one place. Supposedly 80+% of the money bet is on the Redskins. That’s a little odd, because the odds were said to be dropping (from Skins favored to Rams favored), and it would seem that if people were betting on the Skins, the odds would have gone up (making the Skins a heavier favorite). Obviously, I don’t know how those odds are set.
    Other interesting odds – Giants only a slight favorite over AZ, Pats only 4 over Oakland and Atlanta only 4 or 5 over Seattle (clearly the home field advantage in those three)..

by Donnio1234 on Sep 29, 2011 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

The one that gets my attention is the Pats only 4 over Oakland. Then again, I know nothing about how the gambling world works. I just know I want the damn Redskins to crush some teams. These Alka-Seltzer moments are killing me.

"One of the most difficult things everyone has to learn is that for your entire life you must keep fighting and adjusting if you hope to survive." -George Allen

by caps&skins on Sep 29, 2011 8:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think we beat the rams 31-10

I also predict we get a sack fumble by karrackpo and a int returned for a td by dhall

by BmoreRedskin on Sep 29, 2011 5:25 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

I think we smash them, too

If we lose, this season is pretty well lost, no better than 8-8, because it would mean the Skins simply aren’t very good.

by Donnio1234 on Sep 29, 2011 8:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

I do hope we win by a ton, but 8-8 doesn’t seem so bad after all the horribleness of yesteryear.
I’m thinking Rams 0- Skins 70. That’s just how I roll. I keep it real damn positive

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by caps&skins on Sep 29, 2011 8:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Rams OL is largely the same starters and backups as the 2010 team. Harvey Dahl took over the RG spot

next to Jason Smith. Adam Goldberg started 16 games as a guard in 2010, but is now Smith’s backup at RT on the depth chart. The match up of Kerrigan against Smith or Goldberg looks good despite his rookie status. The Skins OLB tandem should have a good day against the Rams. Jacob Bell, LG, is back after starting 16 games in 2010.

The Rams have not done well on run defense this season ranking 32nd and allowing 174.3 yards/game. Maybe the Skins can get their running game going. The Skins are ranked 11th in run defense, but have allowed 3 runs of 20+ yards and 2 runs of 40+ yards (identical with the Rams).

The Skins are on the short end in the QB match up.
“While many praised Sam Bradford for the touchdowns and yards he accumulated in 2010, we weren’t as high on him as others. However, over three games he has a PFF pass rating of +12.5; better than his three best games combined of the 2010 season. He looked especially strong in this game when throwing to the right side of the field, completing 10 of 13 passes for 114 yards. His completion percentage of 50% doesn’t look good, but three of his passes were dropped, another three thrown away, and twice he was hit while throwing the ball. His top target was Brandon Gibson, who dropped one ball but caught the other five thrown his way for 55 yards and a touchdown. While he needs more talent around him, Bradford looks ready to take things to the next level.” http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2011/09/29/re-focused-ravens-rams-week-3/ More good info in the PFF re-focus.

by Jefferson1935 on Sep 29, 2011 8:17 PM EDT reply actions  

If we lose this game to you

I’m going to delete SB nation from the web.

by OakCityRam on Sep 29, 2011 9:31 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

What Ram Rule # explains how to do that?

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by Kevin Ewoldt on Sep 30, 2011 6:59 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

My web that is

I will go into hiding for the next several years.

by OakCityRam on Sep 30, 2011 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

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