"Lies, Damn Lies, And Statistics" Looking At The Lines, and Ahead at the Rams
Now everyone is entitled to their opinion, but for me a football game is usually won or lost because of the battles in the trenches. Sure having elite quarterbacks, running backs, corners and receivers are nice, but if the guys up front don't do their job, it is nearly impossible to have sustained success in the NFL. This week I'm going to take a look at both sides of the ball to see what weaknesses the Redskins are facing, early in the season.
Defensive line:
Now this is a hard area to look at given that it is hard to separate the outside linebackers from the equation (whom have both been very good). Their stats are also masked by the fact that Jim Haslett has been very aggressive with the blitz. This has led to London Fletcher, Rocky McIntosh, and all the Redskins safeties to contribute their share of pressures, hits and sacks. What I'm looking at is just the line play, which I still think is the weakest part of the Redskins defense. Here's a look at the 5 linemen who have played a snap so far.
Bowen has been without a doubt the Redskins best lineman so far. He's been very active against the run so far, and gotten off blocks to make a number of tackles for either a loss or no gain. Against the pass he hasn't been as strong registering one sack and one pressure so far. He has been solid at pushing the pocket and occupying his man, but he needs to get off more blocks and get after the quarterback.
Cofield was the question mark going into this year as he was considered too light to play inside at NT. So far he's done solid against the pass as he has one pressure and two passes batted down. He's also forced inside help on more than one occasion that has led to blitzers getting a clear shot to the backfield.The troubling factor though has been his rush defense, which right now is not up to par. He's made a couple of decent plays, but by in large he's been controlled at the line of scrimmage.
Carriker has been the weakest link along the defensive line. With the exception of a sack and a pressure he's rarely penetrated beyond the line of scrimmage. This is a case where his 'numbers' look similar to Bowen, but where they don't tell the whole tale. Carriker just isn't generating any kind of push so far this season, and has rarely drawn a double team. His run defense is supposed to be his strong suit, but so far he has done nothing against the run. Right now he is below replacement level play, but Washington's lack of depth means he's still their best option.
Golston is the Redskins first linemen in, but thus far is having a season similar to last year. He's generating almost no pass rush what so ever, and is just average against the run. He's been pretty easily handled one-on-one, and does little more than replacement level in this area.
Neild had a huge opening game showing great penetration, and racking up a pair of sacks in 8 snaps against the Giants. Since then he's been fairly average in his 21 additional snaps, but you can't write up week 1 entirely as a fluke, as he gets off the ball well, and doesn't get pushed around too much.
Overview:
The loss of Jarvis Jenkins is quite noticeable here, as it forced Carriker into a starting role and moved Golston up. So far the Redskins overall defensive talent has masked some inefficiencies in this unit, but they are there. The line is getting beat pretty soundly in the ground game, which is opening holes as opposing offensive linemen, are able to handle the defensive line too often 1-on-1. The Redskins depth is also going to get tested as it will be hard to continue to play the starters as much as they have. So far the line has played a lot better than last year (which didn't exactly set a high water mark), but the lack of pressure, and penetration from the line has been the biggest defensive issue.
Offensive Line:
It is quite clear that the offensive line hasn't been as upgraded as the Redskins hoped. As twice already the Redskins have failed to rush for more than 3 yards per carry. Also the pass blocking has been a bit of a joke as the Redskins have given up a combined 47 sacks, hits and pressures. While Washington's sack rate looks to be league average, their pressure rate is in the bottom 10 in the league. This shows that Rex Grossman's awareness has prevented at least a few sacks this season. Now while you can't point the finger at just one culprit, Kory Lichtensteiger and Will Montgomery have been pretty good so far, and deserve by far the least blame. No they haven't been great, but their mistakes aren't nearly as plentiful as the rest of the line. I'm going to attempt to look more closely at the other three linemen, and what faults they might have.
A lot is expected of Williams after being a top 5 pick a year ago. His rookie year was one that I'm sure he wished to forget, but the hope was that he'd improve this season. So far it has been a mixed bag, for the left tackle. He's improved in run blocking, but he still misses some assignments that have flat out stalled Redskin drives. Overall though this isn't a huge concern as he is probably the Redskins best run blocker. He's also cut down on his sack rate from 2% to 1.6% (this is sacks divided by number of pass blocking attempts). Now that seems like a small drop, but there is some significance there. For context, they best pass blockers in a given year are usually between 0.25 and 0.75. Anything between 1.0-1.25 is still in the good range, so Williams is creeping closer to that area (and given the small sample size it is very achievable for this season). Unfortunately, sacks aren't the only thing that needs measuring as hits and pressures are important as well, and have a pretty big impact on an offense's performance. Williams has already given up a combined 10 hits and hurries, which makes it worrisome that the sack rate will creep back up (and of course is affecting plays in it's own right). Williams right now ranks in the bottom 15 among all tackles in pressures, and that is something that bears watching.
Jamaal Brown-
Brown has had a really poor start to this season, with the exception of about two quarters worth of play against the Cardinals. He has already given up four sacks (he gave up 5 all of last season), and is consistently being driven back into the backfield on both running and passing downs. He's not the worst run defender on the team, but he misses enough blocks that he has the 2nd worst spot wrapped up. Brown routinely looks slow getting out of his stance and rarely gets to the 2nd level. His poor play on the right side has been the biggest all-around issue for this offense, and could leave the Redskins turning to Sean Locklear (who was among the league leaders in pass blocking last year) in the near future.
The Redskins lone offseason acquisition to the starting offensive line hasn't really panned out just yet. He has been really bad against the run and has not opened up the holes and cutback lanes expected of him. In terms of pass blocking he has done well to not give up a sack yet, but he is among the league leaders in giving up pressures. It is still early, but right now he looks well below average and it is costing this team.
Overview-
It's not a good sign that two of the three guys on this list, Chester and Brown, happen to be the most experienced and are also signed for long term deals. If their play continues, the Redskins could look to new options for next season, and might even look to replace Brown this year as well. I know Sean Locklear didn't inspire confidence in fans during the preseason, but he's been a very good right tackle for the Seahawks for years (his worst seasons were when they put him at LT). And right now he really can't be worse than what we have seen from Brown. Trent Williams worries me still for a long term LT option, but at least we are seeing some improvements. While overall he's given up more sacks, hits and pressures than Brown, he's on the blind side and facing stiffer competition on more plays. The Redskins need to tighten up this line if they want to keep any hope of improving this year.
A Look Ahead:
The Redskins need a win this week, and it is a winnable game, but I firmly believe it will come down to these two areas again. The Rams might be an early season punching bag, but people thought that last year and the Redskins came away with a loss. The key to the Redskins offensive attack will be stopping the Rams pass rushers. St. Louis has little in the way of defensive back talent, so I would utilize the tight ends and backs in more of a protection role. Chris Long, James Hall and Robert Quinn are three very good pass rushers, and could give Williams and Brown a lot of trouble. giving help there, can neutralize the Rams best defensive weapon.
When the Redskins are on defense, their line play is going to be crucial. Stephen Jackson and Cadillac Williams are averaging just over 5 yards a carry between them, and that is with their RT Jason Smith playing especially poorly this season. The line needs to hold their own and limit the Rams rushing attack, because if you do that, then the Redskins should be able to generate a good pass rush. Sam Bradford has been one of the most pressured quarterbacks this season, and it is an area the Redskins can take advantage of.
HTTR!
Steve Shoup has been a Redskins fan his entire life and dreams of the day they get back to the glory days of his youth. In addition to his regular piece on Hogs Haven, you can find his daily writings at Fanspeak.com.
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FIRST off, I have to ask
Why do you do this post every week?
Just kidding, very good post. How were you able to get the stats? Did you see the third and 21 play, where the cowboys LG appears to block both Carricker and Fletcher by himself?
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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Sep 28, 2011 3:58 PM EDT reply actions
haha thanks,
I’ll stop writing about the O-line when they block someone, so it could be a long season. I use a variety of sources for the stats, ESPN, NFL.com, Pro football Focus, Football Outsiders etc. I used PFF’s play data to find out how many pressures and hits, also number of pass protection plays. But worked on the sack rates on my own.
Yeah that was a key block for the Cowboys and a big reason why that play worked for Dallas.
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Unfortunately
I’m starting to get the feeling that we already have our long term solution at RT. Problem is, he’s playing on the left side right now.
Where do they teach you to talk like this? In some Panama City "Sailor wanna hump-hump" bar, or is it getaway day and your last shot at his whiskey? Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.
Yeah I don't really disagree with that
but that only means we need a better LT option
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And he's by far the highest paid player on the team
his cap number next year is over $13 million. Next highest next year is hall at $6.8 million.
Formerly KS and CS
by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Sep 28, 2011 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah that is pretty pricey
the good news is now with the new draft bonus caps, if we say draft a LT it will be fairly cheap.
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I don't mind spending big bucks
if it’s spent on getting/retaining young, quality players for the Offensive Line.
Also OL aren't like QB's
Once you get to the later rounds, yeah, most players are going to be projects. But great QB’s, with very few exceptions, come in the first round. You can still get quality OL in the second or even third rounds. I say QB first and then focus on OL.
"Dyslexia?? It's DCO." - WestcoastO'sfan
That isn't really accurate
Plenty of top QB’s come after the first round.
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Someone on Sirius ran the numbers
on the super bowls. The super bowl winning QB’s were highly tilted to first rounders.
Formerly KS and CS
by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Sep 28, 2011 7:01 PM EDT up reply actions
there are a couple of problems with that stat
1. We are talking a limited number of SB’s, just 45 possible chances of which it is 25 to 20. So it isn’t as though it is a major gap.
2. I also feel that the stat of SB winning quarterbacks is kinda loaded, because in the past the success rate of 1st rounders was higher than it is now. Prior to Peyton Manning, quarterbacks were drafted more on merit. That is not to say there weren’t busts, or late bloomers, but teams seemed to be much more discerning. From 1980 thru 1998 there were 33 QB’s taken. Since Manning, (1999-2011) there have been 37 drafted. In the first group, in just two seasons (including the immortal 1983 year) were 3 or more quarterbacks drafted. In the 2nd grouping since Manning in 8 of those years were three or more QB’s drafted.
So while yes ‘true’ 1st rounders (Rodgers, Roethlisberger etc.) are worth it and prove that worth with SB wins, but it makes it sound like drafting 1st rounders is the best way to get a SB winning QB. When in reality too many first rounders end up as busts.
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I thought Robert Quinn got benched
I know so little about the Rams right now.
"It's a dog eat dog world, and I'm wearing Milkbone underwear." - Norm Peterson
Quinn wasn't benched. He's been held out because Spags thinks he needs more time to learn
… He has amazing quickness that he seems to have controling at times. He has a tendency to leave his feet and dive at RBs instead of pursuing them. His ability to handle big OTs is still lacking a bit when it comes to run D.
he was inactive week 1, but has been in on 60% of the snaps these past two weeks
last week against the Ravens he had 4 pressures, and 3 hits
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I think barry like grossman is a stop-gap
HOWEVER I think once we get a nose he will move over to d end and accel if Neild could somehow sure up his technique this year it could be a big boost to the defense.
by BmoreRedskin on Sep 28, 2011 5:17 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
How does that make sense?
They signed Bowen to be one starting end, and drafted Jenkins to be the other. If they wanted to play coefield at end, why not play him there and draft a NT instead of Jenkins.
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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Sep 28, 2011 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions
You do realize FA came after the draft this year, right?
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Yes, but they knew who they were targeting
and signing coefield to big money to play DE makes even less sense AFTER you have drafted Jenkins and signed Bowen.
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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Sep 28, 2011 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Good point
But does signing cofield to big money to play nose when the chances are against him to be successful based on his physical limitations. And It’s not like draft picks immediately realize 100% of their potential and dline is a position where you like to have a deep rotation
by BmoreRedskin on Sep 28, 2011 6:15 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I agree, but I also think you'll see Jenkins at the nose often also though
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If he gets healthy
you know with his hereditary issues!
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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Sep 28, 2011 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Rotating DEs in a 3-4
To keep them fresh can be a huge advantage if you have more than 2 starting caliber DEs. It’s a nice luxury to have Coefield who can play DE or DT. Also, good chance one of our DEs Bowen or Carriker go down with an injury and it’s extremely valuable to have a guy like Coefield who can move outside and Neild who can step into the inside. Coefield is a very nice player to have on the roster and I’m glad we have him.
agreed
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You're bang on about Jason Smith. A huge disappointment this year
We thought working on the same side as Dahl would help, but no go. He plays to straight up, lacking the ability to bend at the waist and drive or get leverage like quality OTs are known for their ability to do.
The key for Rex and Santana is if Justin King is on the field, just throw it that direction. King is the Matador award winning CB of the year. If you don’t score on him, he’ll give you a pass interference penalty.
Look for lots of blitz packages this week from Spas D. I think your DEs could have a good day, because even Safford has been having pass blocking issues of late.
Man
so im a long time Ram Fan as well as TST-aholic.. just want to say im excited for this game because for 1.. people overlook us already, and that’s a fair assessment, but i believe this game will be a close one.. Also super excited because were playing against basically an EX-RAM defense from head to toe… Can’t wait to see Hasslett, Carriker, Fletcher, and My Boy OJ “Juice” Atogwe.. If we don’t make it to the playoffs this years.. im rooting for you guys lol
Steve you mentioned the relative success of the OL in another post and suggested that the right side of the line has
been less effective than the left. Football Outsiders does not show stats like “Stuffed” by the same categories that can lead to any conclusion. While the Skins OL was ranked 16th adjusted line yards their stuffed rank was 24th. This suggest that the Teams ALY would be better if the stuffed rank was also better, but the “power rank” is 8th. [Power Success: Percentage of runs on third or fourth down, two yards or less to go, that achieved a first down or touchdown. Also includes runs on first-and-goal or second-and-goal from the two-yard line or closer. This is the only statistic on this page that includes quarterbacks. Stuffed: Percentage of runs where the running back is tackled at or behind the line of scrimmage. Since being stuffed is bad, teams are ranked from stuffed least often (#1) to most often (#32).] This indicates that the stuffed situations are occurring at longer distances for first downs, i.e., typically 1st or 2nd downs. Since Pro Football Focus gives ratings for run blocking by individual players the problem with the stuffs may be more apparent for individual OL.
The two worst run blockers for the Skins according to PFF are Brown and Chester
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Steveo
Good write up and I pretty much agree with all you had to say this week. Clearly our O-line is good enough, and so far healthier than most around the league. I also think many of our pressures on Grossman have been a result of Grossman holding the ball too long – not sure if they account for the number of seconds the QB holds onto the ball before he gets pressured. Grossman has been holding the ball much longer than other QBs. He was particularly bad at holding the ball against Dallas. Romo was routinely getting the ball out of his hands quickly which resulted in less defensive stats for our D-line I believe. It would be interesting to compare how many seconds per pass play Grossman held the ball vs. Romo in that game. Giving a defensive line an extra second or two to get to you can be BRUTAL in the NFL. Something to consider perhaps.
Also
The poor performance of the Offensive line makes me at least wonder if a more mobile QB like John Beck would help keep the D-linemen more honest in containment. In pre-season Beck proved to excel at buying time when the o-line broke down, an ability that Rex just doesn’t have. I think Grossman is still the man, and is a decent QB, but his lack of mobility to buy more time for WRs to get open may really be what holds back this offense. We may see Beck sooner than later if he doesn’t protect the ball better when the o-line breaks down.
Thanks, but i don't know if that is the issue...Grossman usually gets rid of it pretty well, which is why it is only 8 sacks, considering the number of pressures
Against the Cowboys both the Butler and Ware sack came in under 4 seconds, and while the last sack took longer, Spencer was past Brown in about 2.5 seconds and chasing down Grossman. It only took longer b/c Grossman started running. Maybe Rex could have gotten rid of the ball, but it was still a failure of the O-line.
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I disagree
I don’t think a more mobile QB gets sacked more often than one as immobile as Grossman. All Beck has to do is move outside of the tackle box and he’s bought himself the chance to at least throw away the ball rather than taking the sack. The difference in this game wasn’t the lines, as Dallas’ line was just as poor if not worse than ours, it was the time between Romo’s and Grossman’s release of the football. We were consistently beating their O-line but Romo had the ball outta there so much quicker than Grossman that it didn’t matter. Romo vs. Grossman, Romo was getting the ball out MUCH quicker. And I was talking about pressures not sacks, so I don’t see how the timing of the sacks affects my statement at all. Frankly I think Grossman must have been holding the ball on average at least 1-2 seconds longer than Romo on passing plays in this game.
Just a different perspective
A QB can totally skew the QB hits/pressures/sacks stat if he isn’t getting rid of the ball quick enough, and even that may not be totally on the QB as it’s possible the WRs just aren’t getting open, which is causing the QB to hold the ball longer, and thus the O-line “appearing” statistically to be worse than they actually are. It’s a team game and everybody has to do their job or it directly impacts the statistics of the other players on the team. This is why player stats are so variable year to year. The stats can give us a clue as to what’s going on but it all works together. That’s why football is such a completely unpredictable game.
I see 3 numbers
28, 23,16. Each successive game is reflective of how well Grossman has played. His turnovers increase with each game and his play has decreased with each game.The Redskins are struggling in the red zone.What bigger complaint regarding Campbell than his inability to get the team across the goal line. My biggest concern about Grossman is that he should incrementally improve with each game. Instead, he is getting worse. He is trending towards his real ability from a high in the Giants game. We can expect Grossman to be pretty bad for the rest of the season.
by hambonejackson on Sep 29, 2011 5:12 AM EDT up reply actions
I think that is a little simplistic Grossman isn't playing great, but he hasn't been horrible these last two games
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I agree with that, but actually Grossman has been getting rid of the ball quickly
which is why the pressure vs sack rate is what it is. A guy like Beck is more mobile, but he didn’t show the same quick release as Grossman in the preseason and took pressure he didn’t necessarily need b/c he tried to extend the play for the big gain…we see the same thing in Vick, Newton, Roethlisberger etc.
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"Clearly our O-line is good enough..."
That’s not the way I understand Steveo26’s post. His post leaves me sort of depressed.
yeah our O-line def. isn't good enough
sorry it’s not meant to depress, esp. since they could probably improve it with Locklear.
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Grossman's last chance
I think Sunday’s game against the Rams is Grossman’s last chance to keep his starting job. If he fails to get it done against the Rams and we go into the bye week at 2-2, I think we will see Beck against Philly. That would give Beck 2 weeks to work with the starting offense before the Philly game. This is it Rex!! Better stop turning over the damn ball.
that's possible, I think a lot will depend on how he plays, but Shanny could make the switch
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The stats speak for themselves.
Hurries and YPC simply aren’t good enough.
OL remains our 2nd most urgent need. Short term and long term.
We need to invest more than one high draft pick in the OL.
We had bookend tackles for a decade. We should do that again.
"By far the worst performers on the (Redskins) are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
agreed
The Redskins were able to go to win the Super Bowl 3 times under Gibbs under 3 different QB’s and 3 different running backs, but they had essentially the same offensive line (with a few additions). The point is that o-line stayed supreme and it kept our offense elite.
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