Redskins Week 3: Last Night's MVPs and LVPs
by preppiejack on Sep 27, 2011 11:04 AM EDT
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PrintIt was a tough loss last night. A lot went wrong, and it left a lot of fans with the typical stomach ache from a let-down on a game we should have won. There were a couple bright spots that hopefully we can build on. There were plenty more dull spots, and hopefully the coaches can form strategies to minimize the mental errors and reduce the impacts of certain ineffective players. Here is a look at the Week 3 MVPs and LVPs:
MVPs:
1. Josh Wilson- He almost had a few interceptions, and unlike Carlos Rogers, the fact he didn’t reel them in was understandable because he was flying horizontally to make some tough, big plays. He ended with 4 Pass Deflections and that crucial Fumble Recovery. Speaking of the fumble recovery, during that play I was yelling at the TV for Barnes not to touch the ball because he came flying in to try to get it- we’ve seen it too many times, that if you sprint towards the sidelines to scoop up a fumble, you never gain full control before going out of bounds. Fortunately it worked out, and Josh Wilson took a better angle to the ball.
2. Graham Gano- The blocked field goal was Sav Rocca’s fault, not Gano’s. He gets bashed a lot by Redskins Nation, but Gano made the other 3 field goals including quick 46 and 50 yarders while Dallas was getting good pressure on the line. Gano did his job last night.
Honorable Mentions:
Kory Lichtensteiger- I considered mentioning Trent Williams also for doing pretty well when up against Ware, but since our rushing game netted 65 yards, I leave the LT off. As for Licht, he did as well as we’ve seen him play all year (and potentially last year too). He had solid footwork, pulled on a couple of nice blocks, and accomplished what he needed to do. Most of the pressure that made it through the line last night was not on Kory’s or Trent’s (left) side.
LaRon Landry (first half)- He was all over the place in the first half. Big hits, a forced fumble, and even when he didn’t make the tackle, I kept seeing #30 there at the end of plays. In the second half, he was hardly noticeable though.
LVPs:
1. DeAngelo Hall- I realize that people are defending him saying that Haslett shouldn’t have” left him on an island” with Dez Bryant. But the last time I checked, D-Hall struts around as this big time “pro-bowl” CB; and I doubt real big time “pro-bowl” CBs like Champ Bailey, Darrelle Revis or Nnamdi Asomugha would get beaten 1-1 when the game is on the line. Not to mention, it eerily reminded me of Jake Delhomme (I realize Bryant >> Delhomme) beating him down the one moment we really needed our highly paid corner. He talked trash before the game; he didn’t back it up; D-Hall FAIL.
2. Jammal Brown- He got beaten all night. He looked slow and had poor footwork. There was one play that sticks out in my mind, when Demarcus Ware simply shoved him over en-route to Rex. Normally Offensive Linemen are awarded “pancake blocks” – but on that play, it was Brown who was pancaked.
3. Sav Rocca- It was one play. It was the difference in the game. I was 1 of our team’s 2 holders in college, and I can say with certainty that it isn’t an easy job even in practice. But the holder has to get the ball down, and this botch swung the momentum away from the Redskins favor.
Dishonorable Mentions:
Jabar Gaffney- When you’re in the two minute drill, a veteran and talented WR like Gaffney knows he needs to get out of bounds. We didn’t need the extra 3 yards; we needed the 20 seconds on the clock and a chance to calmly huddle and call a play. Clock management in the 2 minute drill was poor. We had 2 timeouts, but mental mistakes like Gaffney’s rapidly changed the tempo from urgent to panicked.
Rex Grossman- I am not going to pin this loss on Grossman, but that interception deep in Redskins territory was a horrible decision in an area where we could least afford a mistake. And when the pressure was coming on him on the final drive, he knew where it was coming from (that’s why he was running up towards the left side), and he should have put two hands on the ball or just dropped to the ground to live to see another play.
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Jamaal Brown gave up I believe all 3 sacks so for me he's the LVP
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completely agree...hall may have been bad on one play
but brown was terrible last night. I dont know whether to chalk it up as a good gurls pass rush or a bad brown.
Grossman needed to change the cadence
Demarcus WAre was getting incredible jumps off the line. In a loud stadium, you can’t leave your RT hanging like that. Change up the snap count and the cadence.
by John Park Williams on Sep 27, 2011 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Ask Romo how that went
That works if your center can remember a number for 30 seconds. If not, your running backwards after the ball 5 or 6 times a game.
Formerly KS and CS
by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Sep 27, 2011 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions
And with Rex...
that probably means 3 or 4 fumble recoveries for Dallas. I couldn’t believe the way Romo was able to reel in every one of the fumbles almost immediately. On one of those, he grabbed the ball about 15 yds behind the line and immediately zinged it upfield for what was one of the best two yard completions I’ve ever seen. Say what you want about Romo, but that guy did a better job of calmly picking up the football last night than I’ve ever seen out of any player. I’m always amazed at how these world class athletes suddenly develop the hand-eye coordination of a three year old girl any time the ball hits the turf.
"Dominant" is an adjective.
"Dominate" is a verb.
We'll work on "Dominance" once we get the first two figured out.
I know he's not a player.
But Jim Haslett gets my vote for least valuable Redskin. His play calling was atrocious, and frankly every time I think about that blitz call on 3rd and 21 I get pissed off about it again.
But...
When you rush 8, you have got to hit the qb, something the Skins failed to do most of the night. If that call had worked and Romo been sacked, or hell, if DHall hadn’t facemasked Bryant, we’d all be calling Haz a genius
And there you have it
When you rush 8, you have got to hit the qb
One of the only things I will bitch about where the defense is concerned. I saw many plays where the Skins were more worried about trying to hit Romo than they were about playing solid football. One instance that sticks out is where Fletcher chips (Felix Jones?) on his way to Romo, and then Romo dumps off to Jones for a big-time gain. That’s one instance, but there were several others.
It would've been great if London had read the screen...
but I don’t think he was blowing an assignment or anything. Looked like he was running one of those delayed blitzes that we’d had pretty good success with in the first couple games.
"Dominant" is an adjective.
"Dominate" is a verb.
We'll work on "Dominance" once we get the first two figured out.
Jim Haslett?
In Hind sight or possible fore sight the all out blitz on 3-21 could have been a different call but Washington’s Defense allowed exactly ZERO! ZILCH! NO! TD to the Dallas Cowboys. The Defense was far from perfect but I’d take the overall performance every game!
by dr WNC on Sep 27, 2011 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Dude choked in the critical moment.
He was afraid of success. He threw away all of the hard work of all of his players. He mentally couldn’t take winning.
Haslett?
what? his players were the one who kept giving up big plays
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by Steve Shoup on Sep 27, 2011 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
What?
it’s not Haslett’s fault that Fletcher gave up some big plays, or that Kerrigan made some rookie mistakes. Hall and Barnes are supposed to actually be able to cover.
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Blitzing 8 on 3rd and 21 may be a symptom of a lot of negative attributes
but fear is not one of them.
He wasn’t afraid of anything. he got cocky and wanted to squash romo on 3rd and long on prime time with the country watching.
It was a bad playcall, made worse by the fact that 8 redskins couldn’t get any pressure at all.
+1
Haslett coached a good game and the Defense played a great game.
Offense let us down, they have to do better
Anytime
you hold the opposition to 18 points, the defense had a pretty good day. Especially when you add in keeping them out of the endzone after the Rex Int.
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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Sep 27, 2011 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Exactly
When you hold a team to 18, especially on 6 field goals, you have to take care of business on offense.
but choked on one play
that lost the game.
He Didnt Choke
Dallas made a big play…that didn’t eve get them into field goal range. I’m sorry but you cant convince me that the 3rd and 21 decided the game. There were so many other things that contributed more to the outcome of the game than that one play.
He choked. Period.
it is THIRD and 21! that play gets completed about 1%. if you have a safety over top he most likely bats the ball down. that makes fourth and 21. If they complete a pass underneath it will be a small gain making it a very hard fourth down deep in their territory. IF they risk it and miss the game is over. If they punt they get the ball back with next to no time on the clock. That is how you win games. Not putting average players one on one with superstars.
If this hadn’t happened last year, I would agree with you, but this was a carbon copy of the fourth down in the Houston game last year. He choked The Cowboys knew what was coming and they are professional football players. Romo is a damn good QB and Dez is a monster. They had the right call in based on a trend. That is why he choked and cost us the game.
It doesn’t matter what had happened in the game up to that point. That is where it was. 3-21. Any competent coordinator would know what to do. Journeyman and failed HC Haslett proved why he is here and not in Pittsburgh with that lame duck call.
If you go zone they probably get 10-15 yards, so no it wouldn't be a tough 4th down
and yes Pittsburgh is known to have such bad defensive coordinators…what are you talking about??
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what do you call on 4th down then?
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It depends on the offense's personell and formation.
In football the Defense typically waits until the offense’s personnel ar on the field to make a play call. It’s not like Madden where you just stream a set of plays. For example if a team comes out with 2 TEs and 3 WRs on the field you would call a different defensive play than if they came out with 2 WRs, 1 TE, a HB and a FB. Defense is reactionary.
But the fact is, on 3rd and 21, you don’t call a cover ZERO.
Tell you what, come up with the personnel you think the Cowboys would have on the field for 4th and 10 and I’ll tell you what I would do as a Defensive Coordinator.
I would guess a similar grouping as that 3rd down play
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Disagree with "probably" 10-15 yards.
It’s not as if Dallas had been tearing up our secondary all night. We’d been getting pretty good pressure AND coverage all night with 4/5/6 man rushes. I’d much rather take our chances with a more basic defense than rush 8 against a guy with Romo’s ability to extend a play and leave DHall on an island against Dez. Honestly, Dez had a pretty good chance to take that play for a TD.
"Dominant" is an adjective.
"Dominate" is a verb.
We'll work on "Dominance" once we get the first two figured out.
IF he doesn't call an all-out blitz
just rushes 5 guys (the line, Orakpo and Kerrigan) and covers the 3 receivers, you can have Atogwe helping Hall vs Dez and 2 guys playing zone at the marker to stop the first down.
I know the offense did poorly, but that one play was the make-or-break play of the game.
Look
I’m not happy we called an all-out blitz that ended up not working either.
But that was not the difference in the game.
They go for it on fourth down
Look, you can play what if all day. What if the long snapper gets a good hold on the field goal. What if Rex doesn’t throw that terrible Int deep in his own territory? What if they managed to score a TD on one of those field goal drives? Any one play that doesn’t turn out how you would like can be pointed to as the one that was the difference in the game. Going into that game, if you said the defense wouldn’t allow a TD all night and only 18 points, most people would take that every time.
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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Sep 27, 2011 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions
exactly
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Orakpo muscle spasms
were the play of the game because they got a big run when he was on the sidelines.
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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Sep 27, 2011 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions
+1
1) If Rex doesnt throw a pickle inside our 30, i know what happens: the Cowboys don’t get a field goal.
2) If Sav Rocca doesnt botch the snap I know what happens: the Redskins get 3 points
3) If Rex tucks the ball away in the two minute drill, i know what happens: we get a shot at a game-winning field goal
agreed except on the last one
we weren’t in FG range yet
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Agreed
Sure is easier to get into field goal range when you have the ball though, right?
Isn’t Rex slow as hell though? God he’s immobile. I want to see a race: Rex vs. Albert, book it
yeah but at that point it was a prayer since we wasted our timeouts, didn't get out of bounds and of course Jamaal Brown can't block
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I hate blaming things on poor "execution"
mostly because that’s what everything was blamed on in the Zorn era, and I view it as a vague cop-out.
Some if it is on the playcalling, some of it is on the players not doing their jobs, some of it is in the limited capacities of certain players to perform certain assignments (i.e. skill level and set), and some of it was mental errors. Good preparation by the coaches and players should eliminate or minimize all of that. The results of this past game were not just due to “execution,” there were several issues.
You're Right
Next time Shanahan will MAKE SURE not to call a fake scramble-fumble during the 2 minute drill
I know you're being sarcastic, but...
I really wouldn’t be surprised if in practice this week, Mike and Kyle reviewed ball security when scrambling with Rex Grossman with various drills.
That’s what good coaches do- they train their guys to get rid of bad habits—- did you ever notice that while Hightower was known as a fumbler, magically after coming to DC and receiving some practice with the Shanahans, he has yet to fumble a ball in 4 preseason and 3 regular season games. Football is about preparation.
agreed, but that fumble wasn't Rex's fault, even the sack alone there ends the game essentially
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Come On...
It was his fault. He should have taken off running to the sidelines, you get out of bounds, stop the clock, and then you still have about 30 seconds to get in field goal range…
Fumbles are preventable.
When seeing the defender, he could have:
a) slid
b) taken a knee
c) thrown the ball out of bounds (best option)
d) ran to the sideline
e) covered the ball with 2 hands like a RB would (should have been done in combo with any of the above choices)
He didn’t need to palm the ball like Deion Sanders returning a punt, and run up the left side of the field.
Training to reduce turnovers
apparently doesn’t work on Rex. He was known as a turnover machine long before he got here, and he continues to be one. The coaches appear to be scared to call pass plays, and playing not to lose is a great way to lose a game.
Formerly KS and CS
by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Sep 27, 2011 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Don't jinx it, you idiot!
Find some wood to knock, STAT!
"Dominant" is an adjective.
"Dominate" is a verb.
We'll work on "Dominance" once we get the first two figured out.
Nor do we know
That Gano MAKES that field goal.
Actually, as long as we’re at it, let’s delve deeper. We don’t know that, if Rex DOESN’T throw that pic, we don’t end up punting anyway, and they don’t end up kicking a field goal anyway. And,last, we don’t know that, if Rex holds onto the ball, we woulda gotten anywhere on that drive anyway.
The ‘What ifs’ are a bad game to play with football.
Where do they teach you to talk like this? In some Panama City "Sailor wanna hump-hump" bar, or is it getaway day and your last shot at his whiskey? Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.
I agree that if one play happens a different way then the rest of the game might be different
But with 21 yards to go on a third down. Yes this is probobly four down territory fit dallas but against a recieving corps with only one starter (Dez Bryant) and others along with witten chances are the ball is goin to witten or Bryant. I wouldn’t mind blitzing but not the amount we blitzes in that down and distance. I’m no coach but if I drop 5 or 6 into coverage the chances of getting a big play go down in case the blitz doesn’t get to the quarterback. As a commen fact to most redskins fans is that hall is not great in coverage, so most would think some safety help could have prevented that play. Looking at it in hindsight most of us probably would not have thought no one would get to romo, who threw for a first down. But now it’s over and hopefully next time if that happens again Haslett calls a better play. Again I would jaw not guessed that romo would get that pass for a first down but we just need to stop crying over spilled milk. Even if it was the best milk we didn’t get to taste this time.
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by the maroon bird on Sep 27, 2011 6:17 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I would have liked to see
a deep safety on that play, but the defense still held them to 18 points on the day. A competent offense wins that game.
Formerly KS and CS
by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Sep 27, 2011 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Seriously what the hell do y'all want out of a DC?
Haslett is fine.
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Should've gone in prevent, that always works!
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by Parks Smith on Sep 27, 2011 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yup, a Greg Blache Special
Everyone loved that from 08-09
by StephanHart on Sep 27, 2011 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Rex grossman
He was bad that game. Sorry but that little bit of hope I had that he was transforming under this offense into a good qb got erased. I’m not surprised, and I can accept that rex is what rex is,. but he wont get a pass because of it. bad pun alert.
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Atogwe and Fletcher
London Fletcher was MVP in my book, that guy seemed like he single handedly stopped the Girls in the first half.
Thought Atogwe played a great game. Saved us on a few. With him and Landry back there we are looking good at safety.
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fletcher gave up a couple big pass plays, his run defense was awesome but that has to take points away from him
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That's exactly why I left Fletcher off the list.
The big pass play to Felix Jones was a completely blown assignment by Fletcher who thought Jones was staying in to block, so he went in to pursue Romo. That was a big play in the Cowboys favor at the time.
He played pretty well overall, but I left names off the MVP list if they had any glaring error like that (same would go for McIntosh too- he had some nice tackles in the run game, but he got beaten a couple of times in coverage; and Kerrigan played decent, but that one play where Witten blew by him was awful coverage by the rook).
I suppose maybe I was harsh in singling our Gaffney (because he really only had the one bad play in a decent night) as an LVP candidate- but not getting out of bounds was devastating to me when I watched the game. He hasn’t even managed 1% of the vote, so I guess that play didn’t bother other folks as much as some of the other mental errors last night.
One guy who probably deserves some mention for LVP is Fred Davis
now I don’t think he actually was, but he should be in the discussion. Yes the 1 catch and 3 targets weren’t entirely his fault, but even ignoring that the rest of his game was pretty weak last night. There were multiple pass and run blocks where he looked pretty poor and got beat by his man. Then when he and Ware were going at it, while we were in the red zone which forced us to waste a TO, which could have been used on that end of the half drive.
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While I defend Hall on that 3rd and 21 because of the tough ass responsibility he was handed
He needs to learn to shut the hell up. I’m tired of hearing him say things that the rest of the world knows he can’t back up.
My LVP’s are our coordinator’s and their play calling. I HATE the game Kyle called last night. We passed when we should’ve ran, and we ran when play action was perfectly set up (2nd and goal at the 9)
Also, Haz’s gamble on that 3rd and 21, I rip Hall, but I don’t think Wilson could’ve done any better in 1-on-1 on Bryant with no Safety help. Just a risky ass call if you ask me and they got burned for it.
I don’t blame Rocca, that’s just the human side of the game coming out. Who knows, maybe before the half, if Dallas ties it, maybe they don’t try to hurry down the field so much and go in with a 9-9 all anyways?
I think the efforts by our Defensive personnel was incredible last night, it just ended up we couldn’t close it out and I blame coaching decisions for that.
Trent Williams is my MVP though he def got away with a hold or two, and it sure was nice to see Landry back out there, separating guys from the ball again.
Great games by: Fletcher (of course), Wilson, McIntosh, Cofield, Bowen, Rob Jackson (who takes advantage of his chances) the interior of that OL, Cooley the FB, and Graham Gano
by Dammit Cerrato... on Sep 27, 2011 12:52 PM EDT reply actions
Trent shut out Ware in sacks, but he gave up a few pressures...not as bad as Brown, but I wouldn't give him the MVP
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It's DaMarcus Ware!
His shutting him out in sacks alone gives him my MVP lol
by Dammit Cerrato... on Sep 27, 2011 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions
True but Ware still impacted a number of plays b/c of Williams
and no offensive lineman should get credit when they only average 3 yards a carry. I don’t think it was a horrible game by Williams, but let’s not make it out to be that good either.
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Well there were also a few plays in which I think Ware could have drawn offsides calls
But the flag never came.
by Dammit Cerrato... on Sep 27, 2011 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions
i looked at the replays and it pretty much looked like he moved with the ball...for some reason he knew our snap count
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Isn't the responsibility Hall drew the same resposibility he was bitching about and asked for after the Texans game last year?
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by Parks Smith on Sep 27, 2011 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
That's why he needs to just go somewhere and sit in a corner for awhile
No one takes him seriously and Haz of all people should know not to leave him alone in that situation. I’m just some dummy off the street, but if I see that matchup, I’m going there too.
by Dammit Cerrato... on Sep 27, 2011 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Has Hall ever not pointed the finger when it's been on his head....?
I really think his play making ability isn’t worth all the red flags.
by Dammit Cerrato... on Sep 27, 2011 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions
The LVP for me is
Kyle Shanahan. I want to see the stats for who was targeted how many times. We knew there was going to be pressure dialed up all night against Rex. The offensive gameplan should have been focused on getting the ball out fast and neutralizing the pass rush. I didn’t see that at all. We abandoned the run. We failed to make better use of our TE’s against a team that was obviously weak in the secondary. Aside from a few cute plays where they mixed up executions on the same formations, the play-calling was pretty vanilla.
I certainly don’t fault anyone on the defensive side of the ball. They held the Girls to no TD’s. This offense needs to get in gear, and I think it starts with the play-calling.
There's a lot of room
to improve the offense and I think the playcalling needs some help a long with a lot of other area’s.
But then again, after every loss the play calling sucks, the qb sucks, the team sucks, the world ends, and i cry myself to sleep.
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by Al_CaPWNED on Sep 27, 2011 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
D Hall was the LVP. He ran his mouth and got his ass burned. People hate on Carlos Rogers for all the interceptions he failed to catch here, but never seem to give him the credit he deserves for his coverage skills. He was one was of our best cover guys. Plus he never ran his mouth. BTW, who was the guy who cracked Romo’s Ribs? Carlos.
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by RedskinsGirl on Sep 27, 2011 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Hall may run his mouth
But it isn’t his fault he was 1 on 1 with Bryant on a 3rd and 21. That’s all on the DC. But even with that play, we should have been able to come out on top of this game. Their offense was missing multiple starters. Our offense wasn’t missing anyone. The offensive production was pathetic.
That’s why I’m looking at Kyle.
19 of Grossman's 40 drop backs he was under pressure, so he did get the ball away a lot, it was just off target
my biggest issue with the play calling was that 2nd Cooley run. It was a big 3rd down play and I thought that was a bad call, they were expecting run up the middle and since you just ran Cooley 5 plays earlier it wasn’t exactly a shock.
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Agreed
If they wanted to run it there, I would have preferred a pitch on the outside to Hightower because the middle was loaded up.
That was pretty bizarre indeed
Cooley goes from never having run the ball, to running it two times in the span of about 10 minutes. Create, yes, but not very effective. I felt like Helu got too few looks and when he did, the holes weren’t there. And after the explosion Fred Davis had over the first two games, he was largely quiet.
lvp=rreturn team
take your pick,,,Banks and/or his blockers-ffaiiled to reach thhe 20 several times
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Other LVP (explained in comments below)
I voted for Banks as LVP too. Considering he takes a roster spot, justifiably, for one job – return kicks – his returning was AWFUL last night. For the first time all season in all of the NFL I watched a kicker routinely not be able to kock the ball into the end zone. and routinely Banks didn’t make him pay. In fact he helped by barely getting to the 15 – and he had 6 chances! (granted I’ll give him the one kicked to the sideline and in the endzone). Couple that with his side-to-side punt returns (reminicent of Randle-El) and there is only one way to describe his job; atrocious!
He was a weapon in the first 2 games but if this performance keeps up he will not end the season on the roster. Austin can do what he did just fine.
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You have to include Rocky
Grossman sucked as usual, but McIntosh deserves to be in the conversation. He looked lost all night. On one long run he actually attacked a blocker and let the RB go right by him. Should have been a TFL. They’ll have to replace him in the offseason, if not sooner.
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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Sep 27, 2011 1:15 PM EDT reply actions
Not Rocky?
I remember the play you are talking about and I definitely thought that it was Rob Jackson not Rocky who pretty much threw himself backwards into the FB. It was when Orakpo was on the sideline and Jackson was in the game for him. I thought Rocky played pretty well, made some nice plays in the run game.
by blackdog3377 on Sep 27, 2011 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions
That probably was Jackson
my bad. It still seemed like Rocky was just having a very bad game. I remember one run up the middle he whiffed and Fletcher made the tackle. Another he was there but just got down around the ankles and the RB ran out of his tackle for a big gain.
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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Sep 27, 2011 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions
actually I thought McIntosh had a really good game, he allowed a couple catches, but usually he doesn't make the tackle after giving up a lot of YAC
but he was pretty good overall. Not great mind you, but I was happy with his performance.
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I wish i was artsy enough to come up with a "Fuck it, I'm bringing the house!" sign for haslett
by TJL on Sep 27, 2011 1:31 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Your wish is my command
Question: Woody, what happened to the ball movement? Answer: I think our defense was pretty solid tonight. We held them to under 200 points so we did our job on that end.
LVP =Haslett
I realize half of the players had off nights. Sav Rocca.. wow. But come on man, THIRD and 21. you think it is cute that you run the SAME PLAY?? the old Engage Eight in Madden again? Choke job. Let them get 8-12 yards on that play. Let Kerrakpo loose on the lineman and get a an eventual holding call. just don’t leave toast on an island with the ONLY GUY that can beat you. You see this guy in practice EVERY DAY. you know he is CRAZY overrated. He talks shit and doesn’t EVER back it up. Remember a long time ago, you know, LAST WEEK when Hall said he has never given up a touchdown to Fitz??? well 73 yards later who is in the endzone with a frazy spanish guy screaming larry, larry, larry larry!!!
It’s almost like you are afraid to succeed. you hate your players and you stole defeat out of the grips of victory. well good job. Congrats. You have carried on the new tradition of the Skins of choking. Thanks for the new highlight that will be shown on every sports center and NFL commercial for a decade.
If the Cowboys gain 12 yards they probably go for it on 4th down. Yes they still had timeouts, but i'd say if it was under 4th and 10 they would have gone for it.
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Good. 4th and 10.
Let them go for it there. I can live with those consequences. That is if they complete anything on that third down.
cowboy fan here
no disrespect, damn good game. hopefully no major injuries for you guys. 1 quick note Landry is a damn beast. good luck in your next 12of13 games.
its preseason watch the players individually. igor is garbage!
by yehti on Sep 27, 2011 1:35 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Respect.
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by RedskinsGirl on Sep 27, 2011 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Hell of a Battle
You guys made more big plays in the end
being a cowboy im grateful of that.
when Dallas comes to DC itll be another ass kicking shit talking game. this to me is the best rivalry in football and we all saw why lastnight. hard fought hard hitting down to the wire game. thought i was having a heart attack but pulled through.
its preseason watch the players individually. igor is garbage!
by yehti on Sep 27, 2011 1:42 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Yea about that ass kicking
Hopefully its the Redskins doing the ass kicking because its the first game I will be able to go to in 5 years and Im going with two Cowboy fans.
by blackdog3377 on Sep 27, 2011 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Demarcus Ware and Sean Lee earned a lot of respect tonight
Ware especially. Hell of a player.
by John Park Williams on Sep 27, 2011 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Ware already had respect
This is the second Cowboys game I’ve watched. Lee shows up all over the place. Definitely a player.
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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Sep 27, 2011 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions
He is a good Player But...
That might have been the easiest INT ever. Rex threw him a lame, floating duck of a pass….terrible
Isn't this statement redundant?
Rex threw him a lame, floating duck of a pass
I mean, Rex makes you yearn for Brunells passes the last year he played. He’s got nothing on a wet noodle.
Formerly KS and CS
by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Sep 27, 2011 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Was it just me or did it seem like Cofield was off the field a lot?
There was a stretch in the 2nd half where I felt like I never saw him.
LVP’s- Hall and Brown. Hall played like shit all game, not just the throw to Dez.
One thing I would like to see this week vs the rams is for Hankerson to be activated. Armstrong might not be ready to go this week and I would rest him if he isn’t 100% going into the bye week. I would love to see us try to get Hank a couple touches before the BYE just to get him engaged and a little experience so that he can grow some confidence over these next couple weeks heading into the eagles game. We clearly lack playmakers on O, why not give him a couple touches this week, especially with Armstrong out.
Aren't nose tackles generally pretty invisible?
That’s part of their job.
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Cofield was in on 52 of 69 plays which is pretty good
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Tough loss
…because this game was easily winnable. Hall needs to stop talking both before and after the game. Blame the coach, blame the refs, he starts sounding like Vick.
I’ll pin it on Kyle. The D kept the Cowboys out of the endzone all night, and with a 7 point lead, all he calls is pass plays. You need to run down some time here. We ran 6 1/2 minutes off the clock in the last 4 possessions, and went punt / punt / punt / fumble. That’s just unacceptable.
Sav Rocca should NOT be in LVP running IMO.
Yes, he fubar’d that hold but field position is a Major part of why we held Dallas to field goals. For the first time in a looooong time I wasn’t sweating a muffed punt or short field on every 4th down.
Props also to Guano (Wife calls him BatShit). Kickoffs were gorgeous.
by ShaneNC on Sep 27, 2011 2:09 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
I’m a BIG Sav Rocca fan for his punts/toughness. I included just because that play did fall on him (not the snapper, kicker, or blockers who all did an adequate job on that play), and that play not only resulted in a key point differential, it also was a key shift in momentum in the game. I think if they poured on the points with that one, the score later on in the 3rd and 4th wouldn’t have continued to stay as close as it was.
The 3rd and 21 play was D Halls fault
some of you keep saying y risk with pressure when 21 yards have to be obtained for a first down…well, by that same logic…y was hall playing sooo tight up on dez bryant for like a 2 yard route…he if plays further off, knowing bryant has to get mroe yards on his own…he doesnt get beat like that…plus i find if funny that the most aggressive defensive player, one who bites on everything to get beat for touchdowns, criticizes the coordinator…sorry i dont see it as a haslett issue….
On a blitz like that
you’re supposed to be able to expect the ball to come out very quickly, which means the corners need to play the short routes. That’s exactly what Hall did, but the 8 man rush didn’t put any pressure on Romo and he was able to sit back and wait for Bryant to get open.
He sat back? He was scrambling for his life?
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With 5 seconds to throw the ball
he’s not exactly under a ton of pressure. He didn’t even have a guy in his face until he was ready to throw. The last time I remember seeing a QB with that much time against us was Vick’s pass to DeSean Jackson on the first play of the Monday Night Massacre.
Sav Rocca
if he gets the ball down we win. It’s that simple.
Question: Woody, what happened to the ball movement? Answer: I think our defense was pretty solid tonight. We held them to under 200 points so we did our job on that end.
Yeah, because our kicker is so reliable
if not for the holder he never misses and absolutely never gets blocked.
Formerly KS and CS
by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Sep 27, 2011 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Okay, let me rephrase
If Sav Rocca gets the ball down Gano gets a shot to win the game.
Question: Woody, what happened to the ball movement? Answer: I think our defense was pretty solid tonight. We held them to under 200 points so we did our job on that end.
it changes the entire complexion of the game
a lot would have happened differently.. if he had made it theres no way you go back and point to that fg as winning the game.
Like Hyenas Fighting for Scraps
We’re arguing over minutia, playing the What If game…
We got beat by a team that made more plays than we did. Lots of positives and negatives came from this game. Glass half full: we didnt get blown out on MNF. Glass half empty: we dropped a road division game that we had within our grasp.
Next week is huge. The Rams are reeling, and we need to go to St. Louis and take care of business, have a defining type of performance.
Hail
Didn't like Haz's call
Many things lost us the game this is just the one that stands out to me and I’m not saying we would have won if we stopped them there. 3rd and 21 if you wanna blitz send 6 or 7 have safteys patrol around the 1st down line and corners cover. But it is what it is.
didn't like his call at first but.....
the blitz just didn’t work, so that was the main problem. we can point the finger and play the what if game. we need to put TD"S on the board. FG"S are not going to do it for us. it worked for dallas but not us. also what was up with not having a more balanced offense towards the end? once again we beat ourselves! hopefully i won’t be saying that all year.
by alleykatt1000 on Sep 27, 2011 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions
I hope Skins fans don't join in and dump on Hall over his comments
They would be supporting the Redskins-hating media. The media is making a big thing of it – like a lead article from Jason Cole, bringing up imaginary controversy, dysfunction, saying it contradicts the “high character” push, etc. All garbage. D’Angelo is a high character guy, not any kind of trouble maker. He mouthed off a little after a tough loss, but that doesn’t make him a bad guy. The national sportswriters are just rotten, and hate the Skins – don’t listen to them.
Hall was right..
Football 101 don’t blitz 8 on 3 and 21 when trying to keep a team from getting into field goal range at end of game. It was pure stupidity to leave Hall in Man coverage versus Dez.. Even D. Reavis had trouble covering Dez in man coverage. So for you guys to think that Dez Bryant with the whole field to work with was not going to get open are crazy.
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