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I've said it before and I'll say it again... DHall is a moron.

Actually cover Dez Bryant on that play DeAngelo and then you don’t even have to worry about a facemask.

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by Parks Smith on Sep 27, 2011 8:54 AM EDT reply actions  

Typical fan over-reaction because he had 1 bad play…..when are you posting Redskins must start John Beck? What defensive coordinator puts 1-1 on coverage with no safety help on Dez Bryant? Answer…only 1. Haslett. We’re lucky that didn’t go for a TD. It was a horrible play call.

Romo just saw the scheme the play before….reminds me of the back to back fake field goals.

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by Kevin Ewoldt on Sep 27, 2011 8:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

It's not my reaction if he doesn't run his mouth and say stupid shit like he always does

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by Parks Smith on Sep 27, 2011 8:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

Have you ever noticed that patch on Hall's right shoulder, maybe once, just once he should act like on the field and in the locker room

He lost his composure on and off the field in a critical moment.

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by Parks Smith on Sep 27, 2011 9:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'll agree with that...

As the Junkies said, a true cover corner doesn’t call out his coach and curse the refs. At the same time, what the F is Haz thinking?

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by Kevin Ewoldt on Sep 27, 2011 9:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'll catch heat for this, but I kind of like the call

You’re all in, especially with the state Romo was in. I mean Romo had to pull that play out of his ass and then Dez had to turn DHall around on a backyard route. I’d say we had the upper hand and higher probability of success.

I do see where you’re coming from, but I think it’s easy to criticize Haslett. But I like his mentality and he’s held 11 different teams to less than 17 pts in DC (I think).

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by Parks Smith on Sep 27, 2011 9:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

I like the idea of blitzing on the play, but I don't like bringing the entire house on that blitz.

Haz could have tried to bring the pressure for the same effect. Heck, he was successful in “showing” blitz all night, and then having those guys actually drop back into coverage.

I like that we were trying to rattle Romo, but we could have done it without leaving our secondary all alone considering that we’ve seen them get beaten badly before.

PS- this is my 1000th recorded comment on HH- Yay!

by preppiejack on Sep 27, 2011 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm curious if the blitz "look" was due to Romo's injury and their o-line

I would imagine more exotic blitzes would be brought in different situations

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by Parks Smith on Sep 27, 2011 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly right

bringing five or six men would have been much better. Haslett had a defense playing well on the blitz and, with 3rd and 21, got cocky and wanted to go for the knockout punch on prime time national television. Awful decision.

But the “facemask” on hall was just as bad a call on the ref’s. Hall’s hand clearly barely brushed bryant’s facemask.

by idigl7220 on Sep 27, 2011 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree

the blitz is why Phil Costa made Nick Sundberg look good as a snapper, and I think was the right call there. All game Romo was maybe throwing the ball early when pressured so as not to get hit, and the O-line wasn’t handling it well either. It took a fantastic play by Romo, and that a poor play by our coverage and unfortunately that is what we saw.

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by Steve Shoup on Sep 27, 2011 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

That also wasn't Hall's only bad play

He blew a couple coverages and missed a tackle. If you are going to talk, you better back it up with your actions.

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by Steve Shoup on Sep 27, 2011 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well on that dhall play

The thing about that play is that it was what? 3rd and 21? Why was dhall jumping forward to cover the short route? LET HIM CATCH THE BALL on a 5 yard out and then you can slow him down/tackle him.

So he jumped up to tighten coverage and dez took off downfield. This was all after the snap. To me that’s a mental error and a huge one.

But it should never of come down to that play anyway.

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by Al_CaPWNED on Sep 27, 2011 9:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

DHall played fine, I just don't like the way he carries himself and runs his mouth the minute things don't go his way

That play wasn’t the reason we lost the game

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by Parks Smith on Sep 27, 2011 9:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

hahaha I was hoping someone picked up on that cockroach

I don’t have DVR but I remember it was right at the 2:03 mark in the 4th quarter. That field was lubed up with Rob Ryan’s hair products and cockroaches, awesome

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by Parks Smith on Sep 27, 2011 8:57 AM EDT reply actions  

That cockroach

probably came out of Rob Ryan’s hair. Geez that looks terrible. He looks like he’s been on a four year bender. What a slob.

by DudleyDoright on Sep 27, 2011 9:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

I remember the video shot of that insect

That’s soo funny… Thinking back, it did look like a roach. Love the observations…nothing gets past Hogs Haven!! Ha ha

by Chilliewil on Sep 27, 2011 9:49 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

So anyways

I think that game exposed the offensive line pretty badly. They still need to invest a few high draft picks in that area of the team.

Rocky sucks. Sorry. I tried to pretend like he suddenly was good. Dude cannot tackle, he costs us huge runs.

Rex played a terrible game. No ones going to convince me that he should get a pass because the line sucked. Against a half way decent secondary rex throws at least 3 picks last night. He wasn’t even pressured on all those throws. I know everyone wants to hate on him for the last play, but that was just desperation and our oline failing. It was all the half assed throws into coverage that sucked the most.

I think rex will see A LOT more coverage looks for the rest of the season and I question his ability to pick apart coverag schemes. Shit I question his ability to even read them.

Anyways, this teams back down to earth and I’ll continue to assume MNF = loss.

Dallas tried really hard to give that game up, we just couldn’t handle being at the top of the nfc east.

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by Al_CaPWNED on Sep 27, 2011 9:06 AM EDT reply actions  

Not using the oline as a Rex excuse, but the team certainly could not run the ball the way we wanted which hurts

I’d have to watch the game again, but FDavis with just one catch stands out and the fact that Armstrong was hurt doesn’t help.

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by Parks Smith on Sep 27, 2011 9:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

Moss said he was doubled all night

Someone had to be open somewhere. Yea, I need to watch it again too. Or maybe UKRedskin can pin it down.

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by Kevin Ewoldt on Sep 27, 2011 9:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

I just hope we practice solely RZ offense all week, haha

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by Parks Smith on Sep 27, 2011 9:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

i hope we inject Torain at that time..

by tommy gunn on Sep 27, 2011 9:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

dude...come on

Do you really think A) The reason we lost the game was b/c of Tim Hightower and B) We would’ve won the gam with Ryan Torain

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by Parks Smith on Sep 27, 2011 9:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

all im saying is that High has yet another 2 ypc showing… we cant say what Torain would have done cuz he wasnt in… we do know what High did tho for sure.. thats now 2 poor running performances against 2 nfc east teams for High… how many do we allow him before we try something different??

by tommy gunn on Sep 27, 2011 9:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

good running show, its the RB’s… terrible running show, its the OL…

is this how it works?? Torain got it done w/ a terrible OL…

by tommy gunn on Sep 27, 2011 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

what are you talking about?

Torain had multiple games last year where he failed to average 4 yards a carry. Torain also couldn’t have made those blocks that protected Grossman which allowed him to complete some passes.

You can give him a shot, but it really isn’t going to change anything.

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by Steve Shoup on Sep 27, 2011 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

Torain has 100 plus yard rushing games under his belt…. can the current starter claim that??

by tommy gunn on Sep 27, 2011 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

He went for 96 and over 4 YPC against AZ

If you really want to argue over those 4 yards then we can

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by Parks Smith on Sep 27, 2011 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

yea i do.. he has yet to give a 100 plus yard running performance… that 96 was combined (run/rec) wasnt it??

by tommy gunn on Sep 27, 2011 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

no

it wasn’t.

Against the Giants, he had 94 yards from run/rec combined.

Against the Cards, he had 96 yards rushing and 10 yards receiving for a combined total of 106 yards.

Ryan Torain didn’t post a total of even 90 yards until Week 6 against Indianapolis.

by TheDeepBall on Sep 27, 2011 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

not in the nfc east…

by tommy gunn on Sep 27, 2011 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

but Torain hasnt ended up w/ a 2 ypc average in the nfc east… High has done it twice now..

by tommy gunn on Sep 27, 2011 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

you are basing it on 3 games from last year and 2 this year for hightower

that is a pretty small sample size. Cowboys rush defense has been pretty impressive. Frank Gore averaged 2.4 ypc last week, and Shonn Greene had 2.6 , and LT was 3.2 in week one. That is three pretty good backs. Torain would have made zero difference.

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by Steve Shoup on Sep 27, 2011 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

and what D’s did he get his 100 yarders off of?? that is your thing isnt it?

by tommy gunn on Sep 27, 2011 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

You are talking about a back who has only gotten 20 or more carries once before this year

I really don’t understand your point. You tried saying he wasn’t a 100 yard back, and I proved you wrong accept it.

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by Steve Shoup on Sep 27, 2011 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

u didnt prove squat… High has yet to give us (Redskins) a 100 yard plus game… again, thats the redskins not the cards…

by tommy gunn on Sep 27, 2011 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

what's the difference?

Torain had quite a few more games to get 100 yards than Hightower has.

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by Steve Shoup on Sep 27, 2011 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

actually High had more games… i believe High ws there for 16 as opposed to torains 10..

by tommy gunn on Sep 27, 2011 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dude Hightower's numbers on based on his career, but the difference is he was a back-up or change of pace back and still put up those numbers

and the fact that Hightower wasn’t cut last year or injured really can’t be used against him.

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by Steve Shoup on Sep 27, 2011 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

All torain would have done differently

is hurt himself running into piles of 300 pound men. There was nowhere to run. Your comment betrays your ignorance about football. The offensive line is about 80% responsible for how well a running back does. There is very little a running back can do if they have nowhere to run and no second level blocks. Barry sanders wouldn’t have had 100 yards rushing last night.

by idigl7220 on Sep 27, 2011 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

we are a yard away from the endzone and we are faking a run to pass to High in the flat?? no faith??

by tommy gunn on Sep 27, 2011 9:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

Or the defense was expecting a run so they went for the pass.

by skins92 on Sep 27, 2011 9:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

are you criticizing a perfectly executed goal line play action fake?

Torain is average. Deal with it.

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by smutsboy1 on Sep 27, 2011 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

im crit’in our lack of rushing TD"S…

by tommy gunn on Sep 27, 2011 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

if Torain is average then what is Hightower?? exceptional??

by tommy gunn on Sep 27, 2011 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

hightower > torain…..helu > torain…thats why torain is 3 on the depth chart.

by skins92 on Sep 27, 2011 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

and they sure are doing a whole hell of alot to prove that, now arent they??

by tommy gunn on Sep 27, 2011 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

yes because torain is proving that he is SOOOOO much better by warming the bench

by skins92 on Sep 27, 2011 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

Torain isnt proving anything but High is….

by tommy gunn on Sep 27, 2011 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

Your right hightower is proving he can be an everydown back with his running and blitz pickup

by skins92 on Sep 27, 2011 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

what running?? he has 2 outta 3 poor running showings…. sorry, i want a back who’s giving me rushing yards first and foremost… alot of rushing yards… wasnt Portis a blocking specialist??

by tommy gunn on Sep 27, 2011 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

Portis also cost $8 million

and Helu wasn’t running on the Cowboys either. Dallas shut down Frank Gore last week as well. I’m guessing Torain doesn’t fare much better.

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by Steve Shoup on Sep 27, 2011 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

so your saying if Portis was cheaper he would be our starter???

by tommy gunn on Sep 27, 2011 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm saying you value everything and running is only part of it

Let’s say that Torain is Hightower’s equal in running (which is an if) Hightower is a better blocker, receiver and healthier option

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by Steve Shoup on Sep 27, 2011 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hightower: slightly better than average

Helu: our RB of the future

Torain: injury prone mediocrity.

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by smutsboy1 on Sep 27, 2011 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

lol…. Torain was doing what High has yet to do…

by tommy gunn on Sep 27, 2011 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

when? what?

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by smutsboy1 on Sep 27, 2011 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

+6

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by Parks Smith on Sep 27, 2011 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

you realize the Redskins did that multiple times last year right

including once or twice to Torain right??

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by Steve Shoup on Sep 27, 2011 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

it appeared to me that we were afraid to test it…

by tommy gunn on Sep 27, 2011 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

stage 1 man… denial…

by tommy gunn on Sep 27, 2011 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

Torain woulda got in there the play before..

by tommy gunn on Sep 27, 2011 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

yes i do… for the score..

by tommy gunn on Sep 27, 2011 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

The fact is

Torain would not have made the catch that HT did for the score (which is all that matters anyways). He never made it on the times we ran that play when Torain was starting last year. It was dropped every single time.

by TheDeepBall on Sep 27, 2011 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

lmao… stop0 lying…. Torain woulda caught that ez ball just like High…

lmao.. again, stop lying…. please provide video of Torain dropping that pass “every” single time..

by tommy gunn on Sep 27, 2011 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

not every single time, but he doesn't have Hightower's hands

and really who are you to question someone on hyperbole since you claimed that if Torain had 2-3 goaline carries a week he’d have 2-3 TD’s to show for it.

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by Steve Shoup on Sep 27, 2011 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

i never claimed that would be a gimme.. i just feel as though he would do more by way of running a yrd outside the zone than High..

by tommy gunn on Sep 27, 2011 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

not downing that play… im saying, like i have been, that our redzone rushing is not cutting the mustard..

by tommy gunn on Sep 27, 2011 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

and this is what I don't understand

it didn’t ‘cut the mustard’ last year yet somehow you think that Torain will be a lot better this year?? He was anything but a short yardage or TD machine last season so why will he be one this year?

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by Steve Shoup on Sep 27, 2011 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

anything but a short yardage machine?? i disagree… TDs?? he had 3 RUSHING TDs in 4 games.. i would say 3 in 3 really because his first game he only got 7 carries..

by tommy gunn on Sep 27, 2011 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Only two of his rushing TD's were goalline plays

the others were a 10 yarder and 13 yarder, yes that is in the red zone, but that isn’t the power running you are talking about. And that is only 4 rushing TD’s in 10 games, and 2 of which came against the Colts who were among the league’s worst rushing defenses. How many red zone carries did he have where he got little or no gain? Plenty.

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by Steve Shoup on Sep 27, 2011 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

give Torain the pill in front of the goal and see if he can do what the others cant..

by tommy gunn on Sep 27, 2011 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah but really I don't think that is the issue

He was targeted 3 times, and this offense doesn’t truly have a true ‘number 1’ weapon, so I don’t see that as an issue. On the post game show Lavar tried to equate that to holding Fitzgerald, C. Johnson or A. Johnson to one catch, but it really isn’t the same. Cooley did fine, as did Moss and Gaffney. The real problem was the mental mistakes (gaffney not going OB) and the O-line.

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by Steve Shoup on Sep 27, 2011 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, OL had a pretty bad game

Trent played well in the first half, then gave up some pressures as the game went on.

Rest of the OL played pretty bad.

No running lanes.

Jammal Brown couldn’t even touch D. Ware, let alone block him.

OL needs a lot more work.

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by smutsboy1 on Sep 27, 2011 9:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

the OL we refused to draft for?? no not that OL.. it cant be..

by tommy gunn on Sep 27, 2011 9:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

no OL draft.. refusal to shell out coins for quality OL talent… guess our OL is the shit…

by tommy gunn on Sep 27, 2011 9:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

We have drafted an OL

in the top of the draft exactly 1 time in the last 10 years. Our OL has not been good for a very long time.

by TheDeepBall on Sep 27, 2011 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

i dont understand the theory…

by tommy gunn on Sep 27, 2011 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Brown looked terrible on Ware. Ugly, ugly stuff. I was pretty pleased with Trent for the most part. He looks like he finally is starting to get it and back up his physical gifts with a decent showing on the field. I like that.
 
Tommy – too many holes, too few picks. Shanny chose to focus on the D this year and it looks vastly improved. The line will come. Anyone that kidded themselves into thinking this was a two year project needs to pass the stuff they are smoking.

by l.pensinger on Sep 27, 2011 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

Late addition....

Redskins are pissed at Cowboys. They had roof closed all day with A/C pumping than opened the roof which caused humidity and moistness on the field.

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by Kevin Ewoldt on Sep 27, 2011 9:11 AM EDT reply actions  

Did you see they are actually renaming it Orkin Arena

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by Parks Smith on Sep 27, 2011 9:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

i didnt

Jokes seem endless there.

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by Kevin Ewoldt on Sep 27, 2011 9:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

ba doom cha

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by Kevin Ewoldt on Sep 27, 2011 9:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

You scumbags brought them in with you.

Now that we drove you out of town we can call the Orkin Man.

by Mikellie on Sep 27, 2011 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

Good Morning Losers!

Humidity and moistness in the air? Really? Apparently you were at the game to know if the roof was closed and if there was indeed any humidity. No matter what the conditions at any stadium, BOTH teams have to play in them. You lost to the top defense in the NFC and are still a few players away from making a run. The game was close but good teams find a way to win.

by Mikellie on Sep 27, 2011 9:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

All I did was report what people who were there did say. Nothing more. I’m aware it’s a lame excuse but teams screw in their cleats based on what they know. It is what it is.

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by Kevin Ewoldt on Sep 27, 2011 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

Top defense in the NFC??

bwahahahahaha tell me another one.

Say no to Prince Fielder in 2012.

by Knubles and Bits on Sep 27, 2011 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

Best 3rd down defense in the legue son.

And you didn’t even manage a touchdown through 60 minutes of football. I’d say the D is pretty damn good.

by TheDeepBall on Sep 27, 2011 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

They aren't even in the top 2 defenses in the NFC east.

That’s three games this year they should have lost. I’d be shocked if your beloved girls ended up better than 6-10 this year. i was very unimpressed with everything but your defensive front seven, which is the third best front seven in the nfc east. The redskins lost this game; the cowboys didn’t come close to beating them.

by idigl7220 on Sep 27, 2011 6:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

was that another 2 ypc performance from the ALMIGHTY Hightower??

yea, lets “TRADE/CUT” Torain w/ the quickness…. gthoh…

by tommy gunn on Sep 27, 2011 9:12 AM EDT reply actions  

zero rushing TD’s….

by tommy gunn on Sep 27, 2011 9:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

Torain only had 1 TD in his first 3 weeks starting last year.

no 100 yard efforts (and that’s running and receiving combined) and only 3.8 yards per carry for those 3 games combined.

by TheDeepBall on Sep 27, 2011 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

the stupid field didnt help at all

I hate that fake turf crap. it get slick like grass but you cant put cleats on to get grip. there were a few plays where all some one had to do was juke and break free but he slips and falls down. That was some really effed up stuff.

by Venthril on Sep 27, 2011 9:18 AM EDT reply actions  

Really?

23 NFL teams use that same turf. So keep trying to come up with excuses but if that is the best you can do then you better get used to it.

by Mikellie on Sep 27, 2011 9:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

Nobody is blaming

The turf for the loss. But if you didn’t see our guys slipping all over the place, then you weren’t actually watching the game. Teams do stuff like that all the time. The Giants used to open some doors or something depending on which way the teams were going that half (basically creating a wind tunnel) at the old stadium The Celtics were the most notorious at the old Garden.
Look, you all won. Great. You wanna rub it in? Fine. That’s what you’re supposed to do. But don’t try acting like you all dominated that game, and don’t try acting like Plastic Man Jones is above pulling some shady shit to give his team an advantage. I have no doubt Snyder would pull the same crap if he could.

Where do they teach you to talk like this? In some Panama City "Sailor wanna hump-hump" bar, or is it getaway day and your last shot at his whiskey? Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.

by CJHutch on Sep 27, 2011 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

we hit every bit of TWO WR’s? TWO? the great Niles Paul again was a no-show on offense… why not utilize Stallworth?? is Hank that terrible? whats the damn deal

by tommy gunn on Sep 27, 2011 9:30 AM EDT reply actions  

how come?? was he hurt?? we coulda used him apparantly..

by tommy gunn on Sep 27, 2011 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

Did you watch the game?

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by Parks Smith on Sep 27, 2011 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

did you??

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by Parks Smith on Sep 27, 2011 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

did you??

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by Parks Smith on Sep 27, 2011 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

my point is Armstrong wasnt there… Austin wasnt there… if im corredct thats 2 missing… leaves plenty of room for Stallworth in that case… was he hurt??

by tommy gunn on Sep 27, 2011 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

strange… i dont recall seeing AA or AUStin… AA musta left hella early and Austin musta had his Potter cloak on..

by tommy gunn on Sep 27, 2011 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

AA was in there in at least the 2nd quarter but I'm not sure when he left exactly

dude Grossman knows Moss and Gaffney more so he throws them them more, plus our TE’s and backs.

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by Steve Shoup on Sep 27, 2011 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed

Armstrong might be the third WR on this team, but he is the fourth option in the passing game at best. Moss, Gaffney, and Davis are definitely ahead of him. You could make an argument for Cooley and Hightower depending on the play as well. I like Armstrong a lot, but you are not going to get a ton of looks when you are that far down the food chain. And it’s not like that’s a bad thing!

by l.pensinger on Sep 27, 2011 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

how does Gross know Gaff more?? more than who?? Gaff just got here…

by tommy gunn on Sep 27, 2011 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

dude they played together in college

Gaffney is also a veteran who has been around, he knows how to pick up a system

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by Steve Shoup on Sep 27, 2011 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

during practice grossman practicices with the first team offense gaff is on the first team offense….more practice time = they know eachothers tendancies

by skins92 on Sep 27, 2011 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

did you watch the game?

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by Parks Smith on Sep 27, 2011 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

my point being, thats how much of a nonfactor AA and Austin were…

by tommy gunn on Sep 27, 2011 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

the 3rd Wr doesn't get a lot of looks on this team right now

they’re going to be the 4th option behind Santana, Gaffney and the TEs.

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by smutsboy1 on Sep 27, 2011 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

not a lot of looks? armstrong doesnt seem to have a prob getting targeted…. has austin been hit this year yet

by tommy gunn on Sep 27, 2011 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat?? you mean to tell me these rookie WR’s are so inept that they cant get in and be targeted a few times??

by tommy gunn on Sep 27, 2011 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

One Austin isn't a rookie, two what are you talking about??

we only threw 37 passes how is Grossman supposed to target everyone?

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by Steve Shoup on Sep 27, 2011 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

who msaid austin was a rook?? not i… only 37?? lol… i s that nolt alot?? close to 50 damn thrown balls… do we really need to throw 50 plus balls to hit more than 2 WR’s?? not TE"S but WR’s…

by tommy gunn on Sep 27, 2011 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

You said these rookie WR's are so inept that they can't get in and be targeted a few times, while you have been complaining about Austin

Again…where was Torain for most of his Rookie year?? ON THE BENCH…i’m not saying it matters, but apparently you do.

37 is a fair amount, but well it isn’t 50, and I was wrong Austin was targeted 3 times of those 37, though none seemed to be on target. When the TE’s get targeted about 10 times and the backs another 8, yes that doesn’t leave a ton of balls for your 3rd and 4th receiver. Over the course of a year they will get some but week to week it is a crap shoot.

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by Steve Shoup on Sep 27, 2011 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

i did say rooks appear to beinept… i never said Austin and rook in the same sentence

by tommy gunn on Sep 27, 2011 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

thats not really the point

you are talking about how these young players aren’t doing anything when your boy Torain did nothing for 2/3 the year his rookie year.

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by Steve Shoup on Sep 27, 2011 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

and i also said u can only run 1 back at a time… dif case w/ WRs.. the window for rookie WRs (2/3/4/5 WR sets) to hit the field on off is alot bigger than rookie RBs..

by tommy gunn on Sep 27, 2011 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

And Paul is on the field

but you are talking about being active, which both Hank and Torain aren’t/weren’t. Usually 3RB’s are active, Torain wasn’t because he’s never really played ST which is a weakness to this day.

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by Steve Shoup on Sep 27, 2011 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hank is looking like a wasted draft pick along w/ Aldrick..
and i hope Paul will be utilized more than as a blocker/ST guy… if not, he was a wasted pick too..

by tommy gunn on Sep 27, 2011 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

You have to think

Hankerson would have been cut if he wasn’t a third round pick.

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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Sep 27, 2011 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

a damn shame….. we needed off lineman….

by tommy gunn on Sep 27, 2011 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

how many targets is Armstrong getting per game?

how many have the other guys been getting?

What’s that – you don’t have any stats, just your biased observations?

Oh – shocking.

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by smutsboy1 on Sep 27, 2011 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

more than Paul and Hank….

by tommy gunn on Sep 27, 2011 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

So Hank not being active is a knock on him

but Torain being active and not playing (which is even worse) isn’t a knock on him? Nor is the fact that he was inactive much of his rookie year??

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by Steve Shoup on Sep 27, 2011 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

yea kinda is a knock… we can only put 1 RB out there at a time as opposed to 3/4/5 WR’s at a time…

by tommy gunn on Sep 27, 2011 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

DHall needs to STFU

Just take your loss and go home man.

Oh, and if you could actually tackle some WRs on the quick throws, that would be fucking great.

Thanks

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by smutsboy1 on Sep 27, 2011 9:31 AM EDT reply actions   2 recs

One tjing becomes clear now...

We need to draft a QB, a CB, and an O-Lineman in the first 3 rounds. We need a shutdown corner. I’m tired of DHalls bullshit.

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thing*

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by TerpsAllTheWay on Sep 27, 2011 9:41 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

we knew we needed O linemen last draft though…. we knew we needed a QB last draft too… we ignored both…

by tommy gunn on Sep 27, 2011 9:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

we drafted WR"s who we arent playing though…. outta the 2 RBs, only one is on the roster… wasted picks maybe??

by tommy gunn on Sep 27, 2011 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

Torain got hurt… Hank and Royster are 100%

by tommy gunn on Sep 27, 2011 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

diff direction?? they had no choice, he blew his acl…

by tommy gunn on Sep 27, 2011 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

the kid blew his acl man…. that was a major injury…. i cant blame Denver for not putting faith in a rookie w/ a blown acl….

go check out some old denver fan posts on Torain when he was there… they were high on him until the injury…

by tommy gunn on Sep 27, 2011 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

the real issue was the coaching change, but the point is plenty of players get released and catch on elsewhere

and oh yeah Torain was inactive for much of his rookie year and he was a 4th rounder, so why all the hate on Hankerson?? by your logic again Torain was a bust….

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by Steve Shoup on Sep 27, 2011 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

by my logic a bust? stop it…. not hating on hank… im calling it like i see it… we had no 3rd option presense at WR last night… if Moss was being doubled the whole game, that turned our 2nd opt into our 1st and our 3rd into our 2nd… is this not safe to say… if that is the case, then how is it that Moss (1st) and Gaff(2nd) were the only 2 WR’s to log catchs?
Austin?? Paul??

by tommy gunn on Sep 27, 2011 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

I really don't think you watched the game...

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by Parks Smith on Sep 27, 2011 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

actually its more like 1st moss 2 cooley 3 gaff 4 davis (if in 2 TE set 5 AA 6 everyone else

by skins92 on Sep 27, 2011 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

what about 1 TE sets??

by tommy gunn on Sep 27, 2011 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

then take away davis and add hightower

by skins92 on Sep 27, 2011 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

lol…. i thoguht High was in utilizing those stellar blocking skills..

by tommy gunn on Sep 27, 2011 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

ummm there are mutiple plays in a game just bc hightower is in to block one play doesnt mean he needs to stay blocking all game long…your thought promise makes me pitty you

by skins92 on Sep 27, 2011 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

process not promise

by skins92 on Sep 27, 2011 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

you said take away davis and add hightower, did you not? we were talking about receiving options, were we not?

by tommy gunn on Sep 27, 2011 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

yes so when the play is designed for hightower to go out for a pass you add him into the progression when he is blocking he is not in the progressing…its really not that hard to understand

by skins92 on Sep 27, 2011 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

how are you passing over Actual WR’s…. in 3 WR sets are your top targets the TE and the RB??

by tommy gunn on Sep 27, 2011 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

i fail to believe that a RB is the 1st/2nd/3rd opt in a 3 WR set… so your putting 3 WR’s out there to run routes and your sending your TE and RB out there to run routes also?? smh..

by tommy gunn on Sep 27, 2011 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

The RB is the dump off option so yes he actually is

if Grossman is getting pressure he looks to his back.

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by Steve Shoup on Sep 27, 2011 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

but the back is not the early option.. the dump is an emergency option..

by tommy gunn on Sep 27, 2011 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

but it is probably the QB's 2nd or 3rd read

b/c he is getting pressured.

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by Steve Shoup on Sep 27, 2011 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

cooley still looks hurt to me

wish they let him get 100% before he came in. just seems extra slow this year and goes down really easy now

by munson21502 on Sep 27, 2011 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

Cooley

Glad he goes down more easily. He always seemed to fumble when he was fighting for that extra half yard…

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by HogNasty on Sep 27, 2011 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

they give Cooley 2 carries but cant give Torain any??? gohwt…

by tommy gunn on Sep 27, 2011 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

They talked about that last night

They had Cooley running that same action several times. He ran it, he blocked out of it, and he released for a good pass down the middle. The run play was part of the set up for the pass play later.

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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Sep 27, 2011 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

i can understand the blocking and the pass but running??? comn…. commmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmn !!!…

by tommy gunn on Sep 27, 2011 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

oh i know.. how about we cut all WR’s not named moss and Gaff… we dont need em anyway, right??

by tommy gunn on Sep 27, 2011 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

what?

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by Steve Shoup on Sep 27, 2011 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

we kept a load of WR’s… did we do that to not use em?? are 3rd WR’s not a part of our plan because we have TE’s??

by tommy gunn on Sep 27, 2011 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well I agree we shouldn't have kept so many WR's

but guys like Hank and Paul were kept for next year and the year after, you know the future. Paul also is still one of our best special teams players.

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by Steve Shoup on Sep 27, 2011 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

Might be 3rd WR

but they are not the 3rd option in the passing game. If Moss is doubled and our 2nd option becomes 1 and so forth, then our 1st becomes Gaffney, 2nd becomes Davis (could possibly switch those two), 3rd is most likely a combination of Cooley or Hightower. Putting Austin at 4th or 5th.

by l.pensinger on Sep 27, 2011 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

b/c a lot of things have to happen for that to occur, the offensive line has to block

exactly how many plays did Grossman have time to look at his 4th option??

Other receivers don’t have to be open, if Moss/Gaffney are open or at least in Rex’s eyes, he’ll throw to them first.

And Rex has to put the ball on target. We saw a lot of poor throws (mainly due to pressure) last night by Rex.

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by Steve Shoup on Sep 27, 2011 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

How is that on Austin and Paul? Austin was out there but Grossman never put the ball within 5 feet of him (note apparently a couple were actually targeted to him)

The point is you are knocking these young WR’s when Torain was so good as a rookie he was inactive for 2/3’s the year.

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by Steve Shoup on Sep 27, 2011 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

Are you a professional scout?

Do you honestly believe that you have a better read on the team’s personnel by watching some preseason games than do the coaches who get to see what the players have every day in practice?

by WhatsInaName77 on Sep 27, 2011 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

at times yes…. what coach hasnt been wrong about personnel?? are you saying Shanny and co. are never wrong??

by tommy gunn on Sep 27, 2011 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

trust me I'd never say that, but what I wonder is what is your basis for Torain over Hightower

it can’t be production last year, b/c Hightower had a better year than Torain behind probably an even worse O-line and with Derek Anderson/Max hall/John Skelton at QB. It can’t be career, because Hightower has been healthier and productive. It can’t be skill set, because Hightower offers more as a receiver and blocker. Why is Torain better than Hightower?? What basis do you have other than the fact that Hightower was a Cardinal last year and Torain was a Redskin for part of the year?

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by Steve Shoup on Sep 27, 2011 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

please dont throw that “High” had a better year last Year" bullshit my way…. you know like i know that their stats last year were damn near identical… the cards O line was worse??? says you… ours was stinkin up the joint royaly… id rather u say we both had shitty lines than to try to tell me that ours was better…

by tommy gunn on Sep 27, 2011 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

yes they were near identical but Hightowers was still the better year.

You are right both lines sucked, and you can go either way, but you can’t argue the passing situation. Hightower had to share carries and he showed he was healthy all year, that also makes his year better.

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by Steve Shoup on Sep 27, 2011 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

no need to get into the areas that Torain beat High in… you were here for that discussion… they need to actually play Torain then we can hash this out further… who knows, maybe Torain doesnt end up w/ a 2 ypc average against the banged up midgets and the gurls..

by tommy gunn on Sep 27, 2011 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

It was the secondary that was banged up all the front 7 of the girls played if im not mistaken

by skins92 on Sep 27, 2011 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

i said banged up midgets…

by tommy gunn on Sep 27, 2011 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

i didnrt mention a secondary..

by tommy gunn on Sep 27, 2011 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

then who are the midgets??

You said the Cowboys were banged up midgets and that makes zero sense

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by Steve Shoup on Sep 27, 2011 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

lol.. comn dude… i sadi, “The banged up midgets and the gurls..”

by tommy gunn on Sep 27, 2011 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

those are pretty big midgets...and they WEREN'T BANGED UP

only their secondary was, which had little impact on the ground game

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by Steve Shoup on Sep 27, 2011 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

what are u talkin man?? the giants were missing Osi and Tuck…

by tommy gunn on Sep 27, 2011 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

no it didnt.. lol.. i put “the” in front of each name.. “the banged up midgets” and “the gurls”… i didnt say, “the banged up midgets and gurls”..

by tommy gunn on Sep 27, 2011 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

what areas does Torain beat Hightower? You say he is a power back, but I disagree

Torain can truck a safety, but he’s not going anywhere if he got the same blocking Hightower did last night.

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by Steve Shoup on Sep 27, 2011 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

im not even going back there w/ you…. talk to jefferson…

by tommy gunn on Sep 27, 2011 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

about what, Torain's biggest games of breaking tackles were against the worst run defending teams in the league

still don’t see how that would have mattered. Look at what Torain did to the Cowboys last year…nothing

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by Steve Shoup on Sep 27, 2011 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

nuffin?? lol.. sad thing is you probable saw Torains stats from that Dallas game last season and you still try to taslk shit…

12-19-10 @ Dallas – Torian – 11car for 53 yds. ( 4.8 ypc)(long-15) – 5catch for 48 yds. (9.6 ypc)(long 20)(1TD)… wonder what he woulda did w/ 14 carries…

by tommy gunn on Sep 27, 2011 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

so on 3 carries Torain was averaging over ten yards a carry?? can High claim that? and your memory is astronomical..

by tommy gunn on Sep 27, 2011 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't remember it exactly I just remember the write up i did after the game, where I talked about how Torain had a couple of nice carries and then did nothing the rest of the game.

The problem with Torain is despite being this power back apparently, he is either feast 9-15 yard carries, or famine -2 to 3 yard carries. Some of that is on the o-line but a lot is on him. Hightower at least has the speed and shiftyness to break 40+ yarders

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by Steve Shoup on Sep 27, 2011 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

missed that 40 yard shiftyness weeks 1 and 3… no 40 yarder week 2 either… a couple 20 yarders but Torain can do that.. Torain can rip a 40 too..

by tommy gunn on Sep 27, 2011 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

LOOK AT HIS CAREER you are basing Torain being this god

on a handful of games from last season, Hightower has more 20, 30 and 40+ runs than Torain. No i’m not saying he is Chris Johnson, just that he is a little more explosive.

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by Steve Shoup on Sep 27, 2011 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

not saying Torain is a god… just saying i think he runs harder than High and Helu… im saying i think he is more powerful than High and Helu.. thus i think he would be more successful in short yardage/goalline sits…

by tommy gunn on Sep 27, 2011 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Football Outsiders presents a neutral source for comparing running backs -

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/rb2010 This table presents numerous rankings for RBs adjusted for their teams’ competition. Hightower ranked better than Torain across the board. A second table compares team rushing stats – http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/ol2010.

Tommy Gunn I would like to see Torain gets some playing time on 1st and 2nd down as well as short 3rd down situations, but given the incessant arguments on the topic it is not worthwhile and actually gets to be a drag.

by Jefferson1935 on Sep 27, 2011 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

interesting indeed…. according to the chart Torain is the better receiver of the 2..

by tommy gunn on Sep 27, 2011 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

last year, but Hightower was ranked in the top ten the year before

Overall I think they are close as receivers, but I’ll give the edge to Hightower since he has shown to be more dynamic

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by Steve Shoup on Sep 27, 2011 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

So far this year

HT is ranked at #10 among RBs, so clearly last year was an anomaly for him.

by TheDeepBall on Sep 27, 2011 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

I neither said nor implied that the coaches are never wrong. But I’m also not arrogant enough to believe that I can watch a few games and know which players need to be on the field when those coaches get to see them every day. Maybe Torain’s putting the ball on the ground in practice. Maybe he’s sulking because he got demoted to third and isn’t putting forth enough effort. Maybe he’s consistently missing blitz pickups. Maybe he’s just flat-out not as talented as the guys in front of him. I don’t know. But I do know that Shannahan has a track record of success with running backs and in this one area at least, I’ll trust him over my own gut every time.

by WhatsInaName77 on Sep 27, 2011 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

i aint trustin jack…. let me see it…. and ive seen shitty running most of the time so far..

by tommy gunn on Sep 27, 2011 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

And you haven’t seen Torain behind this line against that defense, so why are you so sure he’d have done any better?

by WhatsInaName77 on Sep 27, 2011 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

im saying play the man…. so we all can see..

by tommy gunn on Sep 27, 2011 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

agree

100% tommy. torain shoulda been in the game last night. let all 3 get about 15 touches each. keep dallas guessing. they are a good run defense dont make it easy with the same stetch plays to hightower all night. if they wanted to do something over and over it shoulda been screens to offset the blitzes. our best plays were the few screens we did run

by munson21502 on Sep 27, 2011 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

Need to mix up the snap count.

There were way too many times last night where the Cowboys had a HUGE jump. I kept thinking refs were missing offsides calls until the replays.

by l.pensinger on Sep 27, 2011 10:34 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

yes!

I was waiting for them to do that all game…never came. Dallas dline was jumping through like that knew EXACTLY what the count was.

The Beat Box aka skins secondary.

by Al_CaPWNED on Sep 27, 2011 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

OK, so the field was wet?

I was wondering how the hell you slip on turf !

The 2 minute offense looked pretty grab-asstic. Rex seemed to know what to do, but the rest of the O either didn’t know or Rex couldn’t communicate it very well.

by DCtoAustralia on Sep 27, 2011 10:35 AM EDT reply actions  

Dhall

Does anyone else feel like Dhall is getting cut if he keeps opening his mouth…like at the end of the season I mean.

by skins92 on Sep 27, 2011 11:03 AM EDT reply actions  

No.

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by smutsboy1 on Sep 27, 2011 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

If Shanahan views him as insubordinate

Then he’ll be gone. He hasn’t risen to that level yet, but he wasn’t far off last night.

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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Sep 27, 2011 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

bad play calling on both sides of the ball beat us last night...

running cooley once was a good trick play. but that second time was a stupid call. and that 3rd and 21 play where they send 7 or 8 guys right into the heart of the oline was crazy. im really upset over this lose. i had us as a playoff team…. but now we will be lucky to be 8-8 and i rather go 2-14 then 8-8. if the coaches keep this up we will have a very good shot at 2-14 imo

by munson21502 on Sep 27, 2011 11:08 AM EDT reply actions  

If you had us

As a playoff team before this game, how does one loss change that? Look, I get it, it sucks to lose to Dallas. But they didn’t outplay us. They beat us in a tight game. It was a tough defensive game that could’ve gone either way. As bad as we played, we were the only team to score a touchdown, and we were a botched hold by the punter away from having more points than them at the end of the game.

Where do they teach you to talk like this? In some Panama City "Sailor wanna hump-hump" bar, or is it getaway day and your last shot at his whiskey? Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.

by CJHutch on Sep 27, 2011 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

What more evidence do you need?

I never had them as a playoff team, but if you did, after the last two games, how could you still need more evidence to change your mind? The Cowboys were absolutely atrocious in that game. They had 6 fumbles. They couldn’t even snap the ball at the right time. They lost to a bad team last night, and looked bad doing it.

They are on the right path, but discussing this team and playoffs is ridiculous.

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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Sep 27, 2011 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

For the record

I never had us as a playoff team. We are an incomplete team on both sides of the ball. To expect this team to make the playoffs is a disservice to the rebuilding process. I would rather put the team together the right way before we start with the expectations. Personally, I have no interest in backing into the playoffs and being one and done. I wanna get to the point where the playoffs are practically a given, and we’re expecting to compete for a championship.

Where do they teach you to talk like this? In some Panama City "Sailor wanna hump-hump" bar, or is it getaway day and your last shot at his whiskey? Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.

by CJHutch on Sep 27, 2011 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

They were bad last night

What was it, four snaps at the wrong time? How many plays ended with Romo yelling at the receiver because he ran the wrong route. The team on the field last night was a bad team.

Formerly KS and CS

by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Sep 27, 2011 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Boys fan here

Absolutely true… We only won really because someone had to. I think both teams are trending up.

Horrible officiating though… Just terrible…

MacGruber!

by Mojoness on Sep 27, 2011 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

ill tell ya cj,

 did u see how bad dallas was last night? if we cant beat a banged up cowboy team. we are not gonna be able to beat the teams like the rams, 49ers, vikes, panthers,dolphins,and the sea hawks… god knows we didnt have a chance against jets, eagles, pats or gaints in new york. we might not be able beat dallas at home if they are healthy….

by munson21502 on Sep 27, 2011 11:26 AM EDT reply actions  

Really?

You think you can’t beat the Dolphins? Panthers? Sea Hawks?

I would probably take the skins right now if they played Philly.

MacGruber!

by Mojoness on Sep 27, 2011 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

I would also take us over Philly at this point of the season also.

I just want to know what have the Eagles shown so far. If Jackson would not have gotten hurt during the Rams game, that outcome could have been a different outcome. First play of that game for the Rams, he went for 6, and his next carry went for 9 then he didnt play no more and that changed the outcome of that game. Eagles may have still won but, it didnt look impressive.

by PPKA1868 on Sep 27, 2011 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Come back next week

After we beat the Rams.

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by SuperNewb on Sep 27, 2011 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why are you all arguing with Tommy Gunn.

Dude obviously don’t know what he is talking about. To shut him up, give Torain the ball and watch him get hurt and be out for the season. He can’t beat out a rookie who only had a few weeks to learn the offense.

by PPKA1868 on Sep 27, 2011 12:11 PM EDT reply actions  

Ok.

Here’s some English for you.

Have you noticed that the Coach for the ‘Skins isn’t you? Have you, perhaps, wondered why you don’t have NFL teams beating down your door? I’ll save you from having to ponder these weighty thoughts by granting you the information: You would not be able to identify your rectal orifice from a depression in the local terrain given an atlas and a list of landmarks to observe.

by Xin Baixiang on Oct 4, 2011 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

i've noticed too, tommy gunn doesn't know what the hell he is talking about

asking why we didn’t pass to receivers who were inactive for the game, etc. Probably a cowboy’s troll being obnoxious

by idigl7220 on Sep 27, 2011 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Haslett choked.

He blew ALL of the amazing work in one stupid play. This is why he sucks as a coordinator. Bad in critical moments. IMO, that was the biggest choke job call I have ever seen. Worse than the swinging gate double call. He let the whole organization down. He should resign.

The botched snap on the field goal didn’t help either.

by brettpedigo on Sep 27, 2011 12:34 PM EDT reply actions  

Fate of the Game Rested on the Offense

I can’t believe people are blaming Jim Haslett and the defense for this game. Yea, it would have been nice to get a stop on 3rd and 21. Yea, the blitz got picked up on that play and Dez Bryant made a great play, big deal. They held a good Cowboy offense to 6 field goals.

The fact of the matter is that this game was decided by the ineptitude of our offense. They gave Dallas good field position with turnovers, they couldnt kill the clock with the lead in the fourth quarter, and MOST OF ALL, they couldnt execute a 2 minute drive to get to a game-winning field goal.

When your team has the ball with 2 minutes left, and all you need is a field goal, you drive down and take care of business. The Colts(with Manning of course), Pats, Saints, Packers, etc. thrive on this scenario. We need to get to the point where we do as well.

by StephanHart on Sep 27, 2011 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

True, offense lost the game

But it was so clear haslett was trying to have a knockout blow on prime time tv. Got way overconfident. It may not have lost the game, but it was a foolish playcall.

Just like it may not have lost the game, but the facemask penalty on that play was egregiously awful.

And I didn’t see it but this seems weird to me; how the hell does a safety get called for defensive holding?

by idigl7220 on Sep 27, 2011 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree with DHall

if not his method of expressing his frustration.

WHAT THE HELL was Haslett thinking? You don’t call a Cover ZERO on 3rd and 21! That play cost us the freaking game!

by TheDeepBall on Sep 27, 2011 12:47 PM EDT reply actions  

Love DHall's Fire

His comments were emotional and ill-conceived, but that’s fine after a frustrating road loss to your most hated rival.

He and Haslett will talk this week and iron everything out.

And that play DID NOT cost us the game. Try the botched field goal in the first half, or the Grossman pickle inside our own 30 yard line, or the inability of our offense to drive 50 yards and setup a game winning field goal. Take either of those, they were more important than the 3rd and 21.

And if the blitz had work, Romo had been sacked, or Dez hadnt made an incredible play, everyone would be praising Jim Haslett for his genius and for putting pressure on the Cowboys in a big spot.

by StephanHart on Sep 27, 2011 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Isn't that what Hall wanted we he was bitiching about not covering AJ last year?

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by Parks Smith on Sep 27, 2011 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Of Course He Wants It

He’s a competitor who wants to be in the action, doesn’t mean he’s always going to be successful. But I’ll take his fire and occasional bravado over someone who shies away from the competition.

And big catches happen. This league is set up for big plays to happen on offense. If a quarterback has enough time, he’s going to complete a pass, especially to a 6’4 freak athlete like Dez Bryant

by StephanHart on Sep 27, 2011 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

blah... just blah

Woke up today and started by eating raw cookie dough… that’s how I feel.

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by SuperNewb on Sep 27, 2011 1:15 PM EDT reply actions  

lol supernewb,

 i ate it before i went to bed!

by munson21502 on Sep 27, 2011 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

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