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How Much Ass Can a Rebuilding Team Kick?

Washington Redskins CEAK: Chief Executive Ass Kicker

Can I just say that I love this team right now?

I have embraced the idea that we are "not there yet" all summer long. I have fully accepted that when you compare the Redskins with some of the more established organizations across the NFL landscape, there is something obvious about where we stack up.

And let's be fair--we're not sitting in the same boat as the Packers, Steelers, Ravens, Patriots, etc. Those teams are drafts ahead of us. But we're on that kind of path.

Yet, look at what happened during the preseason when we had a chance to match up with some of those teams. In the past, our one's would get pushed around by the other team's one's, and then look good against the other team's two's. We would all spend days doing the fuzzy math required to determine how good our starters actually were.

Star-divide

This August, it would be very fair to suggest that our one's were rarely, if ever, pushed around by the opposing starters. Our offense faced legitimate competition from Pittsburgh and Baltimore defenders. Our defense hung in there for the most part without Landry, and went a stretch without Josh Wilson. As far as preseason tests go, wouldn't you have to agree that this team gets at least a passing grade? (From a less ball-busting teacher, you might even see something in the B+ range.)

The next game we play will be for real. It will come against a team that has had our number for some time. Our starters will be on the field for a full game against a New York Giants team that has never seemed to have trouble relying on their depth.

So I have to ask...are we ready to win meaningful games in 2011? Is the Washington roster--a roster that has been almost totally rebuilt in less than two years--capable of knocking off teams that "experts" assert are far, far ahead of us?

Here's what I saw in the preseason: we kicked a little ass. The preseason is over, and everything starts new again next Sunday. Is it possible that Mike Shanahan can keep the ass-kicking going into September?

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Totally agree

for the first time since i’ve been following the team it feels like they are heading in the right direction. I’m not getting too carried away about the upcoming season but Shanny and Bruce are finally getting the roster packed with high character hard working guys and the whole attitude of the franchise has changed.
So far there looks to have been a big progression from year 1 to 2 and the team is going to suprise a lot of people.

As for the QB competition i’ve given up trying to guess, I seem to change my mind every day on who I think it will be.

by PJ_21 on Sep 2, 2011 10:50 AM EDT reply actions  

YES!

One of the BEST 8-8 teams with a bright future.
As for QB who cares, they are similar even if the claim Rex/beck is the 31st QB out of 32. Redskin fans don’t worry about a QB injury, as #31 is still on the field. Too many other teams its one and done.

by dr WNC on Sep 2, 2011 10:57 AM EDT via mobile reply actions   1 recs

I started thinking last night...

Honestly who is better Clemens or Beck. Or would it matter at all?

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by Parks Smith on Sep 2, 2011 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

I have to state...

that Becks first pass to Torain reminded my instantly on McNabb. He threw it at his feet. He really didn’t have a good night but then again they were subbing the 2’s all arounf him except for the oline which also has an off night.

by DudleyDoright on Sep 2, 2011 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree

But he also made some pretty nice passes, particularly the one where he sidestepped the defender at his feet and zipped it for the first down.

by CJHutch on Sep 2, 2011 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS
One of the BEST 8-8 teams with a bright future.

We have a PLAN.

We might not win this year, but that’s b/c we have a PLAN.

Gone are the years of going .500 with an aging roster and no hope for improvement.

"By far the worst performers on the (Redskins) are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins

by smutsboy1 on Sep 2, 2011 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

Just like the both of you

This is what has me most excited for the team this year, as well as years to come. It feels SOOOO much better to have this team run by competent football minds.

by bigrm18 on Sep 2, 2011 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe 6-10

But not he same old 6-10 that we are used to. The one the Steelers had to get big Ben and dominate after that. No matter what happens this year, we are finally, since ‘91, going in the right direction! glory days are a comin’!!!!!

by brettpedigo on Sep 2, 2011 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

We're starting 1-0

We will beat the Jints. If I remember correctly, we had the stats to win the last time we played them. Turnovers killed us that game. I know, we’re a different team than when we last saw them. We’re better.

HTTR!

by mkjo on Sep 2, 2011 10:57 AM EDT reply actions  

We can easily be 2-0 heading to Dallas

and everyone’s kool aid cups will runeth over.

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by Parks Smith on Sep 2, 2011 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

We'd better...

It used to be that we’d play down to our level of competition. I don’t think we’ll see that as often this year.

HTTR!

by mkjo on Sep 2, 2011 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

It is not hard to buy into this proposition. Until Dallas has their Oline tested even 3-0 seems possible. Yet I still want to

see the Giants game played to buy into the Koolaide. Teams will know how to defense the Skins’ ZBS sooner or later. Stop the Skins running game and they have to rely on the pass. The defense should do a lot to keep the Team in the game and the punting special teams will also be key for field position.

by Jefferson1935 on Sep 2, 2011 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hold the Kool-Aid

I remember a season that started 6-2 and went 2-6 the rest of the way. Yeah, that one.

If this team is sniffing a wild card spot or (dare I hope?) the division, then I’ll accept a cup of that Kool-Aid. Till then, make mine Mike’s Hard.

Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital. -Aaron Levenstein

by MoMoMojo on Sep 2, 2011 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would like to hear how you beat the jints.

I will be at the season opener NYG @ WAS with a few friends. If you are going and feel like looking up a fellow BBVer and having some fun, let me know.

Sunday, Sept. 11 2011 NYG 23 WAS 13

by tommy d. on Sep 5, 2011 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hell yea we will...
So I have to ask…are we ready to win meaningful games in 2011?

I would still expect to be around the .500 range at best, but we’re going to surprise some teams and put some teams on notice just like the Packers game last year. I’m tired of hearing people dog Haslett also, the dude held NINE teams to 17 points or less last year w/ a defense made of misfit toys. Now he has his personnel and the cold shower approach we took last year will pay off.

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by Parks Smith on Sep 2, 2011 10:58 AM EDT reply actions  

.500 is about what i'm expecting too

Haslett doesn’t have the best track record in the past but i’m very impressed with what he’s done so far, I hope he can continue to move them forward. I expect to see a whole lot of pressure and turnovers being forced this year.

by PJ_21 on Sep 2, 2011 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

Pressure

they lost the baltimore game because Haslett became predictable in his play calling at the end. The announcers were even saying which type of plays to run against what he was doing, and that’s exactly what Baltimore did. Hopefully it was just preseason and he was doing it intentionally to look at certain players. If he does that in the regular season, bad news.

Formerly KS and CS

by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Sep 2, 2011 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

Don't want to open the whole bag of tricks...

in the pre-season. It’s best to keep some surprises untill the games count for real.

A Redskin Potato

by Mr PotatoHead on Sep 2, 2011 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wouldn't worry about that.

Haslett has a great track record as a defensive coach. He’s not gonna put too much on film for the world to see.

I will be at the season opener NYG @ WAS with a few friends. If you are going and feel like looking up a fellow BBVer and having some fun, let me know.

Sunday, Sept. 11 2011 NYG 23 WAS 13

by tommy d. on Sep 5, 2011 9:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Haslet might be good

I was sort of against it when we first hired him but since then I’ve seen some really good things.

Haslet has shown the ability to adapt his defense within reason. Sure he had to make the mandated switch to a 3-4 focused defense but he has really shown great versatility working within that framework.

Haslet has been creative with his schemes, at times to the point of ineffectiveness. Remember that stupid defense we used against the colts? I thought it was a good try but ultimately a flop. Still, haslet tried to confuse manning rather than sitting back in cover 2 and getting picked apart as some coaches do.

Haslet moves players around, plays various hybrid schemes, shifts line rotations depending on the game and opponent. I’m not sure how mean of a game he can call yet, but he shows a lot of promise. I think he works well with shanahan, being a fiery counterpoint to the smouldering shanahan death glare. He’s also a players coach, and a guy that seems to garner a lot of respect from his guys. That’s very important.

This year will be quite telling I think. More so for haslet than shanahan. If we don’t see marked improvements across the board defensively I’ll seriously start to question his ability to run a 3-4 defense. I don’t expect top 10 but I do expect top half of the league.

Oh and you bring up points per game. Thank you. Who gives a fk if the defense allows 40020 yards per game but holds opponents to 10 points? Yards allowed is a horrible way to rank overall defense. I think they need a total defensive rating formula that factors in all sorts of neat stats. Maybe someone already has that figured out.

The Beat Box aka skins secondary.

by Al_CaPWNED on Sep 2, 2011 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

Haslett's track record is painfully mediocre

but I’ll give him a season or two before I run him out of DC.

"By far the worst performers on the (Redskins) are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins

by smutsboy1 on Sep 2, 2011 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

He held 9 teams to 17 points or less

Without a d-line (especially an NFL quality NT, the most important piece of a 3-4), or a quality free safety. That’s not too bad.

by idigl7220 on Sep 2, 2011 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not too bad

But career wise he’s never done anything

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by smutsboy1 on Sep 4, 2011 9:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

Couldn't agree more about defensive rankings.

In the absense of a more comprehensive ranking, why not make points allowed per game the standard-bearer of rankings? Same for the offense. Points allowed or scored is the most important stat.

You want to rank a rushing attack, passing attack, or a defenses prowess against these attacks, then you can turn to yardage.

But it would be nice to see a different rating formula.

I will be at the season opener NYG @ WAS with a few friends. If you are going and feel like looking up a fellow BBVer and having some fun, let me know.

Sunday, Sept. 11 2011 NYG 23 WAS 13

by tommy d. on Sep 5, 2011 9:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

8-8 or 9-7 is fine for a rebuilding team

We can hit 10 wins and miss the playoffs and I’d still be happy. Unless we keep losing games by 5 points of less.

HTTR!

by mkjo on Sep 2, 2011 11:05 AM EDT reply actions  

If we go 10-6 and don't make the playoff then I'll be VERY upset

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by Parks Smith on Sep 2, 2011 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

Who? It's happened like once the past 5 years in the NFC, maybe longer.
been seeing a lot of 10 win teams not making the playoffs past couple of years

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by Parks Smith on Sep 2, 2011 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

not every year, 2 outta last 3

2010- Jints and Bux
2008- Pats

Both cases there was div winner at .500 or lower.
Hopefully its just an aberration and not a trend.

HTTR!

by mkjo on Sep 2, 2011 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

also

2007- Brownies had 10 wins and no playoffs. I didn’t know/forgotten.

HTTR!

by mkjo on Sep 2, 2011 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

2005- KC had 10 wins and '03 Fins had 10, both no playoffs

I’ve been reading too much greg easterbrook. He’s always harping about re-seeding the playoffs like the nba.

HTTR!

by mkjo on Sep 2, 2011 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

NFC my man...

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by Parks Smith on Sep 2, 2011 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

It would be disappointing

But if you look at teams like us, Detroit and Tampa Bay as teams who could jump up and bite at the division leaders, it is at least conceivable that a 10-6 record could leave someone out of the playoffs.

by Ken Meringolo on Sep 2, 2011 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

At the same times if those teams are improving then they are beating other teams.

Last year was a farce b/c NFC West was SO SO SO bad…

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by Parks Smith on Sep 2, 2011 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

That game shouldn't of been in Seattle, it's a really bad rule.

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by Parks Smith on Sep 2, 2011 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think it mattered.

The saints were so flat that game it was pretty hilarious.
One team came fired up and overachieved. Loved it.

Though maybe it’s because i’m a redskin fan that I give 0 credit to home field advantage =P

The Beat Box aka skins secondary.

by Al_CaPWNED on Sep 2, 2011 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

Flat? They scored 36 points and lost by 5.

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by Parks Smith on Sep 2, 2011 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

Doesn't tell the story though

They were getting abused really badly in most facets of the game.

I don’t know, I guess what I really remember from that game was the total defensive meltdown of the saints. The receivers for the seahawks were just uncovered most of the time. Like 10 yards wide open for easy td’s.

Seattle players more physical, hit hard and created turnovers. Brees was knocked around a lot.

It was awhile ago but I remember that score doesn’t tell it all.

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by Al_CaPWNED on Sep 2, 2011 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

If the game was in NO then there is no way Seattle would of won IMO

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by Parks Smith on Sep 2, 2011 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Is quest field a natural grass field?

wonder if they still pump in noise.

The Beat Box aka skins secondary.

by Al_CaPWNED on Sep 2, 2011 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's FieldTurf and it's not Qwest Field any more

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by Parks Smith on Sep 2, 2011 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Some highlights from the game on both sides

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9wj_Nzrg_0o

Saints were dooooooooooooomed.

Don’t care where they played!

The Beat Box aka skins secondary.

by Al_CaPWNED on Sep 2, 2011 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

I should have called myself....

Any Given Sunday for this reason.

Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital. -Aaron Levenstein

by MoMoMojo on Sep 2, 2011 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Slow down Tonto

10-6? Have you looked at the ass end of our schedule.
This year is less about record, and more about growth and developing continuity for me.

by CJHutch on Sep 2, 2011 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Couldn't agree more
This year is less about record, and more about growth and developing continuity for me.

That 6-2 start, and then 2-6 finish with Zorn was disheartening in so many ways.

by bigrm18 on Sep 2, 2011 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sorry I forgot the NFL was played on paper.
This year is less about record, and more about growth and developing continuity for me.

I’ve been preaching this since the day the season ended.

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by Parks Smith on Sep 2, 2011 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

The first 11 games include 7 winnable games plus three home division games

I don’t rate them clearly weaker than AZ, @Stl, @Car, @Buf, SF, @Mia, @Sea . In the final five games, Minn and @Giants aren’t hopeless.

by Donnio1234 on Sep 2, 2011 8:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Much better team than last year

but I don’t know that it translates into many more wins. 1 or 2 more maybe. The defense, even without Jenkins, looks to be much better.

I think the problems on offense that have been there for the last several years are still there. They still don’t have that #1 receiver that will keep the safety out of the box on run plays. Teams can still double moss and single up on everyone else. If they are able to use the two TE set more this year, something they blamed on McNabb, then they have a chance to be better. After watching Beck last night, much less optimistic about the QB. We know Grossman isn’t good enough, and Beck didn’t look any better last night. Here’s hoping.

Formerly KS and CS

by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Sep 2, 2011 11:11 AM EDT reply actions  

I invite teams to leave Gaffney, Armstrong, and/or Hank one-on-one

Granted, Hank has been subpar, but he’ll come around. Please double Moss if you feel that’s the best way to contain us! Between our WR quality depth & our above-average TE’s, we have the ability to make defenses pay for not being honest.

Luke Scott Luke Scott Luke Scott you still my boy-Adam Jones

by KellRawLive on Sep 2, 2011 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

We have a bunch

of possession receivers at this point. We need someone who can threaten a team deep, and there isn’t a proven guy to do that yet.

Formerly KS and CS

by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Sep 2, 2011 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Armstrong has shown the ability, but can he do it week in & week out...

I feel ya. Moss is tiny, but still a burner. I realize we don’t use him in that capacity quite as much as the Brunell days, so we can pretty much cancel him off that list. Armstrong, with 16 full games under his belt, has shown he can be counted on for the big play when needed. If Stallworth makes the team, which I think he will, then we have two potential deep threats out there that can be relied upon IMO.

Luke Scott Luke Scott Luke Scott you still my boy-Adam Jones

by KellRawLive on Sep 2, 2011 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

kind of contradicted myself

I meant to include “for the most part” prior to “has shown he can…” Apologies!

Luke Scott Luke Scott Luke Scott you still my boy-Adam Jones

by KellRawLive on Sep 2, 2011 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Stallworth

Ain’t makin the team, but AA IS a legit deep threat.

by CJHutch on Sep 2, 2011 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

We have a PLAN.

It’s AMAZING.

And by plan, I mean something bigger than Vinny Cerrato’s ability to think in 3 month increments.

"By far the worst performers on the (Redskins) are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins

by smutsboy1 on Sep 2, 2011 11:25 AM EDT reply actions  

Vinny had a plan, a long term plan

it involved keeping himself employed for as long as possible. It required a lot of political skill to keep Snyder from realizing he had no idea what he was doing. You can go far in this world if you are good at office politics, even if you are bad at your job.

See: Cerrato, Vinny. Also: Millen, Matt

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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Sep 2, 2011 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think his plan just involved saying

‘yes, master’ in a creepy Egor voice.

by mbedner on Sep 2, 2011 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

it's really scary

the more and more things that come out from that “era” the more you see that dan snyder was meddling in everything. Horrible.

I mean we knew he was, but the extent of which just makes me wonder if he can stay away even now.

The Beat Box aka skins secondary.

by Al_CaPWNED on Sep 2, 2011 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think he has learned

but I won’t swear to it. When Vinny got him to can Schottenheimer, Snyder was quoted as saying he wasn’t having any fun. I have read more than one story this summer that talked about Snyder having more “fun” than he has had in a long time, and looking visibly more comfortable in his own skin and relaxed than a couple of years ago.

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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Sep 2, 2011 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fun for Snyder is conning people

so i hope he isn’t having too much fun or someone might kill him.

by hambonejackson on Sep 2, 2011 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

My biggest concern is that last night seemed to be our sloppiest game...

I would have preferred that last night was the first preseason game, and that we went into the season with one of our other performance that had fewer penalties and less sloppy play.

And, yes, I realize the main reason we were sloppy was because a lot of our #1’s didn’t really suit up. I just am having trouble getting the images of Gutierrez throwing that interception in the endzone, Banks’ showboating on the goal line of his return, or Gomes late hit out of my head. We were supposed to be MORE disciplined as a result of the extra practices.

by preppiejack on Sep 2, 2011 11:31 AM EDT reply actions  

Don't read too much into it.

It really was because of the quality of guys being out there. I’m pissed I was out when the banks play happened. if anyone has a link to it, please post it up here for me.

Banks is an idiot but…he’s our idiot. 99% he makes the team now btw.

The Beat Box aka skins secondary.

by Al_CaPWNED on Sep 2, 2011 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

And the first string O-line apparently didn't do well, either

against TB backups. Shanahan talked of adding guys from the big cut list. Presumably O-line and DE.

by Donnio1234 on Sep 2, 2011 9:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think that there's always a bit of extra sloppiness in the last pre-season game.

Often times players that are on the bubble (or below it) try to do TOO much in order to make a final impression, and wind up doing some stupid stuff.

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by Mr PotatoHead on Sep 2, 2011 9:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Surprised...

That no one has pointed out that we have actually scored points the last two games…what was it? 2 years with no more than 20 points?! Have we finally gotten close to having an offense that can be expected to put points on the board?!

"Well, it’s like the same thing. You’re not going to remember Albert Haynesworth as a BUST or the guy who had the Dallas incident or anything. You will remember him as a great player and that’s what I live for. "

-- AH 27-FEB-2009

by Legacee on Sep 2, 2011 11:48 AM EDT reply actions  

Because it isn't the offense

it is improved defense and special teams. The defense scored against the Ravens, the special teams scored against the Bucs, and the defense set up another TD by giving them the ball at the 2. Of the 17 first half points, only 3 really are credited to the offense last night.

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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Sep 2, 2011 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

Good points

I hope the offense starts cranking out points but I think the defense and special teams will be key this year as always.

Either way it’s nice to see us breaking that 20 point barrier, even if it is only preseason.

The Beat Box aka skins secondary.

by Al_CaPWNED on Sep 2, 2011 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was at the game and not sure if they broadcast this.

Did anyone see one of our players literally body slam a Bucs player. It happened in either the late 3rd quarter or early 4th, but it was wayyyyy after the play. No one called it, but I was wondering if it was actually shown on TV.

by mbedner on Sep 2, 2011 11:49 AM EDT reply actions  

Our player*

couldn’t tell who it was. I think it was B. Thompson, though…

by mbedner on Sep 2, 2011 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

I hate to be a Debbie Downer but...

Remember guys lets try and keep this in perspective. Has the team looked pretty damn good this preseason? Yes. But its PRESEASON. If preseason was an accurate barometer of regular season performance, Colt Brennan would be a two time All-Pro by now. Players play different in the preseason, and coaches coach differently.
And remember last time the Redskins had a “plan” and were on the “right track”? I think it was sometime in 2004 when a certain Joe Jackson Gibbs stopped racing cars and came back to “right the ship”, which then promptly tipped right back over 4 years later.

Talk to me next monday.

by Ron Carlos Jeines on Sep 2, 2011 11:50 AM EDT reply actions  

COLT!!!

I was never a Brennanite, but I would take Colt ever either one of these guys. Just goes to show you how much of the NFL is about timing. Colt was here when our top two guys were pretty much set. I wonder how he would fare against Thing One and Thing Two?

by CJHutch on Sep 2, 2011 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

He wouldn't.

Unless by “fare” you’re referring to paying the cabbie driving him away from the facility, pink slip in hand.

by tuckwell on Sep 2, 2011 4:40 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

What about Andrew Luck?

I thought the team was to lose this season so the team can draft or trade for Luck? That was never a very good plan. I think this team should focus on winning the East.. To beat the Giants, slam Manning a few times. Manning always cracks under pressure. Then he is good for a couple on ints. Jacobs is prone to fumbling so they try to rip the ball from him. Also, if i were the Skins, I would test that Giants front line early by pounding the ball inside to see just how good they are. The skins have the backs to do it and hope the Redskins Oline is decent. My biggest fear is Bradshaw and Mendenhall. If Hall gets over agressive, the Giants are going to burn him for some big plays. Hall has to be smart. Wait for the Manning floater, those mystery passes he throws that just hang in the air forever.

by hambonejackson on Sep 2, 2011 11:58 AM EDT reply actions  

For the record, I still think we are likely to make a run for Luck or one of the other top QB's

Losing in 2011 was just one way of getting there.

If Allen and Shanahan like the guy bad enough, I believe they will trade up to get him.

One thing to remember…if the 49ers have the #1 pick, nobody is prying it—and Luck—from Harbaugh.

by Ken Meringolo on Sep 2, 2011 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed

Also, with the Rookie salary scale, doesn’t that make trading up easier going forward?

"Well, it’s like the same thing. You’re not going to remember Albert Haynesworth as a BUST or the guy who had the Dallas incident or anything. You will remember him as a great player and that’s what I live for. "

-- AH 27-FEB-2009

by Legacee on Sep 2, 2011 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Think it works both ways

More people would, in theory, be willing to trade up.
On the flip side, more people would be okay just taking whoever the want in the first round.

Say you’re all set at qb, you don’t have to pick the best qb now just to feel like you’re getting your monies worth.

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by Al_CaPWNED on Sep 2, 2011 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Makes it harder...

The older contracts were harder to get people to trade up and take them. Now the contracts are affordable for a premier player. Teams that have Top 5 picks will get a lot more via trade then they have in the past. The Browns-Falcons trade is a great example.

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by Parks Smith on Sep 2, 2011 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

But what are the Redskins willing to trade

all their draft picks? Do the Redskins need Luck? PManning was the best QB, but its still Brady with the 3 rings. I would prefer the Redskins not trade any of their draft picks.

by hambonejackson on Sep 2, 2011 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

huh? They are both the two best QBs in the game, not following you.
PManning was the best QB, but its still Brady with the 3 rings.

The Redskins ABSOLUTELY need a QB of the future. I don’t care if it’s Brady or Manning, a great QB is a great QB.

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by Parks Smith on Sep 2, 2011 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

But what round was Brady taken in?

Peyton Manning is the best QB in the world, but its the players around the QB that matters. Rypian was only as good as his front line. Brady is very much a product of the system he is in. Often, he has all day to throw the ball. he makes accurate passes and smart decisions, but so much of what he does revolves around a disciplined offense. Players being where they are supposed to be and doing what they are supposed to be doing. I don’t think Bradys arm is all that great. He simply has a very disciplined team.

by hambonejackson on Sep 2, 2011 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

I still don't understand what your point is?

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by Parks Smith on Sep 2, 2011 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

He wants us to pluck our QB of the future out of the 6th round next year.

Should be easy enough… (where is the sarcasm font when you need it)

by willster on Sep 2, 2011 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Trent Dilfer has as many rings as Manning

My point is, fuck Luck. Forget about him. Draft a QB if there is 1 there, but the best QB is not necessarily going to win a Super Bowl.

by hambonejackson on Sep 2, 2011 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

No one is campaigning for Luck right now

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by Parks Smith on Sep 2, 2011 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good

I didn’t want to get into Luck anyway. The skins may have to look at CBs, Wrs, and O-line next draft. Heres to Beck,maybe he can defer the QB thing for a while. It would be great if the Skins can pluck a 3rd string QB in a cheap trade and win with him.

by hambonejackson on Sep 2, 2011 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yea I'm not raising my glass to this at all:
Heres to Beck,maybe he can defer the QB thing for a while. It would be great if the Skins can pluck a 3rd string QB in a cheap trade and win with him.

We’ve been saying the same thing for the past 20 plus years! COME ON MAN! We need to try to find an actual franchise QB and next year presents a great opportunity to do so.

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by Parks Smith on Sep 2, 2011 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

100% Agree

The most that we should hope for is that Rex or Beck is good enough to keep our Rookie QB on the bench for a year until he is really ready to play.

"Well, it’s like the same thing. You’re not going to remember Albert Haynesworth as a BUST or the guy who had the Dallas incident or anything. You will remember him as a great player and that’s what I live for. "

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by Legacee on Sep 2, 2011 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

How

Long ago was that? You can’t be gun-shy just because you got gut shot once, 17 years ago. If that were the case, there would be a LOT of positions we would have to stay away from in the first round.
No, Parks is right (just doesn’t taste right coming out), it’s about time we had a franchise QB. I’ve been following this team a long time, and the closest we’ve had since ‘69 Sonny was Joey T.
Ugh, can’t believe I had to say that. God I hope he doesn’t read this site.

by CJHutch on Sep 2, 2011 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Look at the Chargers

They took Brees at the top of the second round. Two years in, he didn’t look good, so they took Rivers. You have to keep trying, eventually you will hit on one. It’s been too long since they drafted a QB high.

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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Sep 2, 2011 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'd

Rather be the Saints in that position to be honest. I just don’t have the appetite for risk that the top of the draft board has for QBs.

by Shannafan on Sep 2, 2011 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

You think

It wasn’t a risk for the Saints? They gave up a lot for a guy coming off a serious shoulder injury. Plus, they were destined to take whoever Miami didn’t want.
Think less New Orleans/Brees, and more Arizona/Kolb. Personally, I’d rather take the chance of one pick being wasted, even if it is a top 10er, the giving up a bunch of picks AND a young pro bowl talent on a gamble.

by CJHutch on Sep 2, 2011 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

I just can't see it that way

But I respect the opinion. With the system they have in place they need an above average player that fits the system…. they don’t need to take stabs at a superstar year over year.

by Shannafan on Sep 2, 2011 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

One year wonder

Yes, Trent Dilfer won a super bowl. Then he got fired, and that team was completely out of contention until they got a good QB. Meanwhile, the colts win 10 or more games 12 of the past 13 years and 10 straight. The colts are in contention every year.

Please do not compare Dilfer to Manning. That’s like comparing me to Dilfer. Not even in the same category.

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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Sep 2, 2011 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

if we got to play the texans, jags,titans

our record would be alot better too. why u think manning has only 1 ring? and that ring was givin to him by the bears… hester ran a return back to give the bears D a 7 point lead. bears D kept stopping them but rex and the running backs kept turning it over .

by munson21502 on Sep 3, 2011 2:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

Makes sense

I’m sure we can grab a top signal caller…any one know how many picks we have right now? Do we have enough to go up and grab a Premier signal caller and still fill more of the teams holes?

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by Legacee on Sep 2, 2011 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Regardless of whether we get Luck or not. We'll be in position to grab another QB like Jones, Tannehill, Barkley,etc

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by Parks Smith on Sep 2, 2011 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

Right

Just don’t throw away all your picks on one guy…

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by HogNasty on Sep 2, 2011 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yep

We’ll be helped by the fact that a lot of the worse teams just drafted QB’s. Carolina may get the top pick again. If so, they need to draft a player that can actually help than win games, rather than sell jerseys.

by CJHutch on Sep 2, 2011 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

IMO, the Skins are not in position to trade the house for any player right now. They should grab one of the premier passers if they fall in the draft, but we still have lots of glaring holes in the roster. Even with bad QB play, we had the 8th best passing attack in the league, so I think we will be ok with Rex or Beck at least for two seasons if its needed. My main concerns are the positions of ILB, CB, WR, OG, OC and general depth. We need another full draft like the last one before going into real contention. Grabing a guy like Manning and throwing him under fire is not very smart. The Skins are not stable enough as an organization to do this. We will need to develop our next QB if we want him to succeed, just like the Titans are doing with Locker.

by brazilianbeast on Sep 2, 2011 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

Those kind of concerns

Will pop up every year. The bottom line is, if we want to return to elite status, we need a good QB. It’s just paramount in today’s game. The 80’s are over. This league is QB driven now.

by CJHutch on Sep 2, 2011 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Plus

All of our SB’s were won with great qb play leading the teams. Maybe they weren’t super stars their entire career but the year’s when they were with us, they were putting up top 10 numbers. (Maybe not theisman’s first SB but the year we lost to the raiders, Joe was on fire.) It’s hard to win with a mediocre qb which is why we don’t see it that often. That being said, lets see how grossbeck perform before we mortgage our future.

HTTR!

by mkjo on Sep 2, 2011 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

not very fair

those were great teams….we had the best O-line in the game, great defenses, great runners, HOF receivers…The QB was only a very important piece in the puzzle, but not the most important one like Manning is for the Colts, for example.

by brazilianbeast on Sep 2, 2011 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bring back Jay Schroeder!

His acting in The Replacements was fantastic.

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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Sep 2, 2011 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

that's not my point

I’m not discussing the importance of the QB. I’m saying we are a rebuilding team and we should wait for the best opportunity to grab our franchise caller. It’s not like we have a stacked team only waiting for the guy that will lead us to the promise land. If in 2 years we reach a situation like this, then I’m all in for trading the house for a QB. Right now, I feel like we are still building a solid foundation before going for it.

by brazilianbeast on Sep 2, 2011 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

My point is

If next year, we have that opportunity, the grab it. The Colts weren’t a stacked team before Manning. They built around him. And he makes them a LOT better. I’m not saying we don’t need a good line, but abgreat QB can make a line look good. Someone like Marino, who could get the ball out faster than anyone, made his line better. Manning is the same way.

Of course, it’s goofy to keep using Peyton Manning as a baseline. He’s a once in a decade type draft pick. I guess Luck is next up, and Elway was before him. I doubt we’ll have a shot at Luck, but I do think the next step in our process should be to get the QB of the future. Think about it, you what to stack the whole team, and then draft a QB who you have to wait 2-3 years to develop? I’d rather get a guy to develop WITH the team

by CJHutch on Sep 2, 2011 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

thats why we shoulda got matt flynn last year instead of mcnabb

let luck on the bench then trade flynn in 2 years as a proven starter when luck is ready and maybe get that 2nd rounder back or maybe another good player.

by munson21502 on Sep 3, 2011 2:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yup

Luck looks great; maybe the best college QB prospect of the decade. But there is still a significant risk that he won’t pan out in the NFL. I would rather the redskins went for a less sure thing than trade up something huge to get him and risk losing all that for a bust.

by idigl7220 on Sep 2, 2011 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

The whole draft is a crap shot...

Not to disregard the in-depth analysis of scouts, but so many talented guys in the NFL are late picks and UDFA. What does that say about predicting? Each pick is a gamble. Team Systems are as important as talent, how a guy fits into your team. You are trying to find the guy who can change your whole organization. Luck is that kind of gamble I would be willing to take.

by jgibbsfan1 on Sep 3, 2011 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

no. its makes it harder to trade up

 and cost the team wanting to go up more picks. because say the colts or pats have a really bad year. they could get luck alot cheaper now and keep him on the bench for 3 years then when brady or manning started to go downhuill they have luck to take over. now if a team like that had to pay the big rookie contract they might trade down instead.

by munson21502 on Sep 3, 2011 2:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

So many things wrong
To beat the Giants, slam Manning a few times. Manning always cracks under pressure.

See number 6 on the list. Eli doesn’t crack by getting slammed. He gets back up and continues to play.

Then he is good for a couple on ints.

Yup, Eli threw a bunch of pics last year. I’m not going to deny it. Did you know that at least 9 of them were gift wrapped deflections by his own WRs?

Jacobs is prone to fumbling so they try to rip the ball from him.

Jacobs has 15 fumbles in his career in 991 career touches. He is not prone to fumbling. Bradshaw, on the other hand, is historically prone to fumbles.

Also, if i were the Skins, I would test that Giants front line early by pounding the ball inside to see just how good they are. The skins have the backs to do it and hope the Redskins Oline is decent.

Meet Cofield’s replacement.

Good luck.

My biggest fear is Bradshaw and Mendenhall.

Mendenhall plays for the Steelers.

If Hall gets over agressive, the Giants are going to burn him for some big plays. Hall has to be smart. Wait for the Manning floater, those mystery passes he throws that just hang in the air forever

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You mean like this?

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by Larry Soprano on Sep 2, 2011 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Who's replacing

the rookie who wasn’t even going to start? A platoon of servicable veteran backups. That’s called “depth”.

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by bigbluethruandthru on Sep 2, 2011 10:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh wow, a play where the skins cb stumbled and had no chance at recovering.

That play showed very little skill for either manning or the receiver.

by idigl7220 on Sep 2, 2011 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah no stumble there

watch a little more closely. It’s hard because of the score box but Hall is beaten off the line. He tries to jam Mannignham, gambling once again on the route, and is beaten by superior speed and technique. He then gathers himself to desperately leap up and tip the pass, which is dropped perfectly over his hand and into the receiver’s breadbasket. Saying there is no skill involved shows a surprising lack of basic football knowledge. I expect more from Redskins fans.

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by bigbluethruandthru on Sep 2, 2011 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hambone, Jacobs is nowhere's NEAR "prone to fumbling."

In his 5 year career he has all of 15 fumbles. Including 2 in each of the last two years.

And Manning always cracks under pressure? There is that 2007 post season that you may have overlooked.

You worry about Bradshaw and Mendenhall? Who is Mendenhall?

I will be at the season opener NYG @ WAS with a few friends. If you are going and feel like looking up a fellow BBVer and having some fun, let me know.

Sunday, Sept. 11 2011 NYG 23 WAS 13

by tommy d. on Sep 5, 2011 9:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bright Future

This team is heading in the right direction. Drafting and signing high character guys is refreshing to see. Sporting News is giving us 2 wins this season. That’s a bit laughable but I don’t see us coming close to making the playoffs. I’ll be happy to see steady improvement from week to week. Finally got the Sunday Ticket so I don’t have to go out every week to see the game up here in Mass. Can’t wait for it all to start.

by Ram1964 on Sep 2, 2011 12:24 PM EDT reply actions  

Giants lose another
And speaking of crummy breaks, what an awful thing to have happen to Giants linebacker Clint Sintim, who was coming off a torn ACL in his right knee and may have torn it again Thursday night. At the very least, Tom Coughlin said, Sintim has a torn patella tendon and is out for the year. This is just the latest in a string of significant injuries to the Giants’ defense this preseason and it obviously hurts their depth at linebacker, where they didn’t have a lot to begin with. But mainly, you really feel for Sintim, who was apparently pretty emotional about it in the locker room after the game.

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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Sep 2, 2011 12:33 PM EDT reply actions  

ugh

now i just feel sorry for them
…okay not really for them but for the players involved.

The Beat Box aka skins secondary.

by Al_CaPWNED on Sep 2, 2011 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

geez

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by smutsboy1 on Sep 2, 2011 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Whoever’s got the voodoo doll in a Giants jersey, Imma tell New Yorkers where you are if you don’t lay it down and back away slowly.

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by MoMoMojo on Sep 2, 2011 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Giants and UVA

Now I really don’t like this guy!

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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Sep 2, 2011 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

UVA is going to be good this year.

They actually had a better recruiting class than the mighty VaTech.

by jmpalomo on Sep 2, 2011 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just raggin on UVA

Everybody knows the real NFL powerhouse is William & Mary!

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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Sep 2, 2011 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

I feel sorry for the players

And if it weren’t for the fact that the Giants have completely manhandled us the past few years, I’d feel sorry for the team too.

by bigrm18 on Sep 2, 2011 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

and it obviously hurts their depth at linebacker, where they didn’t have a lot to begin with.

False statement. In years past maybe, but Sintim’s loss doesn’t hurt that much with the talented crop of youth that were basically pushing him off the roster anyway.

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by Larry Soprano on Sep 2, 2011 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is a solid team

There is no denying that. I think they will finish somewhere in the 7-9 to 9-7 range. What it’s missing (besides depth on the lines and defensive secondary and a quality QB) that is keeping it from being a 10-6 to 12-4 kind of team is the lack of pro-bowl talent on any part of the field. There is nobody on this team who is realistically in the top 3 or top 5 in the NFL at their position. Orakpo, landry, fletcher, cooley, etc are good. But they are marginal pro-bowlers at best. When you look at just about any other team in the nfl, they have playmakers at at least one position who are at the top of the league. We have lots of players (finally) that are capable NFL starters, but few who will provide the other team huge difficulties. And frankly judging from last year, I don’t know if the coaching is good enough to make up the deficit.

by idigl7220 on Sep 2, 2011 12:52 PM EDT reply actions  

I don't agree that Orakpo, Landry, and Fletcher

are marginal pro browlers. Orakpo is an awesome defensive player. Landry is still young, but he clearly has talent and Fletcher is about the most under rated defensive payer in the league. I think Fletcher needs to be busted with a crack pipe and hookers so he can get on ESPN. Then everyone will know how good he is.

by hambonejackson on Sep 2, 2011 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Orakpo is good, but he isn't on the same level as clay matthews, mario williams, demarcus ware, etc

And he’s pretty average against the run. Fletcher is not a top 5 middle linebacker. And Landry has what, eight games in his career where he played like a pro-bowler? They are all good players, but they are the epitome of marginal pro bowlers.

by idigl7220 on Sep 2, 2011 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

I tend to agree with this statement

The addition of Kerrigan will really free Rak up. He’ll be making another Probowl appearance this year (assuming he stays healthy - knock on wood). Whether or not he is an All Pro, I dunno…

by mbedner on Sep 2, 2011 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hold up

Your opinions are coming off a year where we didn’t have the big bodies on the DLine which is essential for the team. This year the defense will be run how it’s suppose to and you’ll be able to judge the position accordingly. But to say Fletcher is not a top 5 MLB and assuming you watch the redskins every week, you must be blind.

by Nobetterthenbob on Sep 2, 2011 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

No question that he's good

But not as good as lewis, urlacher, willis, mayo, timmons, beason, and probably just about equivalent to vilma or bart scott.

by idigl7220 on Sep 2, 2011 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Disagree

I’ll take Fletcher over Urlacher any day. Hell, most of those guys. Maybe he’s not on the level of Ray Lewis, but who is? (and I’m talking RayRay 2006). Maybe you don’t see him on the highlight reels, but you DO see him around the ball more than any other guy on that field. And Fletch has something a lot of those guys don’t have – a coach’s mind. And he’s a true leader. Sorry, I don’t want Bart Scott leading my team anywhere.

by CJHutch on Sep 2, 2011 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

True about his leadership dimension

But you’re mental if you think he’s around the ball more than timmons, beason, or willis. Especially Willis. he’s the best linebacker in the NFL BY FAR. The difference between him and london is more than the difference between peyton manning and rex grossman. I love fletcher, and he’s a great player, but I don’t think you can objectively say he is the best middle linebacker in the nfl.

by idigl7220 on Sep 2, 2011 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

I said most

I didn’t say all. My point is, I DO think Fletcher is a top 5 MLB.
You’re right, Willis sets the bar right now. I throw out Timmons because of his team. Put Fletcher on the Steelers defense, and you get similar results. I’m really looking forward to seeing his production behind the line we have now. I think it’s the best since he’s been here.

by CJHutch on Sep 2, 2011 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'll be generous and say he's the 5th best

Behind willis, lewis, mayo, and beason. My point still stands though. He does what he does particularly well, but not as well as those above.

by idigl7220 on Sep 2, 2011 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

The phrase marginal pro bowlers is a oxymoron. On the other hand many pro bowlers get nominated based on

their past reputation. Orakpo has the potential to step up his game to that of the top five pass rusher as he develops coverage and run defense skills. With the addition of Kerrigan, Orakpo will do better as well. Matthews had the advantage of being a LB in college. It did not hurt Ware’s performance to have other pass rushers on the Cowboys team.

by Jefferson1935 on Sep 2, 2011 8:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Here is iH8's (I'll try not to be a total homer) take on this team.

I still believe this is a 10-6 team and here is why:

For a long time I’ve been saying Beck will be the starter, now I’m not so sure. Rex seems to have that chemistry with Gaffney, Moss and AA. I will be much more comfortable with Rex under center week one.

But back to my point, I look at this team and I see the 2005 squad all over again. our defense is looking good, really good. We might not be top 10 statistically, but I have seen them get turnovers, sacks and third down stops at the right time. Finally I think this team can generate pressure without sending 7 blitzers, the cheerleaders, the marching band and Dan Snyder on a jailbreak. We will see a lot of sacks and interceptions this year.

Banks! That covers that. His return ability will win at least one game this year.

The running game will be the bread and butter of this offense. Experts are already pegging Hightower to have a monster year. This team will definitely NOT be at the bottom in terms of rushing yards this season. With the run game going strong the play action will be wide open. And watch, while Santana will have the most catches, Armstrong will score the most touchdowns from the receivers. Teams still don’t respect this guy and until they double him he will continue to get behind defenses.

The rest of the division just doesn’t scare me that much…So seriously i think 10-6 is right around the corner.

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by iH8dallas on Sep 2, 2011 12:57 PM EDT reply actions  

If Banks's returning wins a game this year,

I only hope it’s not the week we play his new team.

by tuckwell on Sep 2, 2011 4:47 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Shannahan said...

He never will call it rebuilding… a rebuilding team sounds like a team that isn’t concerned with winning. Not one he will be a part of.

by Shannafan on Sep 2, 2011 1:00 PM EDT reply actions  

Grossman would have been just as bad or worse than Beck with the way the o-line played last night. If the line is going to be that porous I’d rather have Beck since he can move much better; however, if that was just a blimp on the radar for the line Grossman would gives us the best chance.

by Ultada on Sep 2, 2011 1:16 PM EDT reply actions  

Not to worry

I think the O-line half assed it last night. The starters have been set all camp. I don’t think they wanted to play last night. They’ll be better next week.

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When life gives you shit, make shit salad.

by 64ShagginWagon on Sep 2, 2011 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

So fucking excited.

I CANNOT WAIT FOR WEEK ONE HAIL YEAAA

by Andrew DeFrank on Sep 2, 2011 1:37 PM EDT reply actions  

Even Baltimore has shown it can be shaky

I say that mostly because I don’t like Flacco as a QB.

by SSBlitz on Sep 2, 2011 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree with you about Baltimore

But I think Pittsburgh will pretty much be the same type of team they’ve been the past few years.

by bigrm18 on Sep 2, 2011 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

LB

Just read on ESPN that Lance Briggs has requested a trade from the bears…could he be a good fit to further aid us in rebuilding or is he too “seasoned” for the youth movement? He is a 6 time pro-bowler

"Well, it’s like the same thing. You’re not going to remember Albert Haynesworth as a BUST or the guy who had the Dallas incident or anything. You will remember him as a great player and that’s what I live for. "

-- AH 27-FEB-2009

by Legacee on Sep 2, 2011 1:40 PM EDT reply actions  

NNNNOOOOOO

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When life gives you shit, make shit salad.

by 64ShagginWagon on Sep 2, 2011 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

What would you...

Give up to get him. I can’t think of much.

by Shannafan on Sep 2, 2011 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

He's exactly the kind of player to avoid

Claimed he would never play for the bears again before signing a big contract in 2007, now he’s again unhappy. Would have to give up a lot, and a big contract. We’ve seen this before and know how it ends. I wouldn’t give them a ham sandwich for the guy.

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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Sep 2, 2011 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nice to know

Didn’t know those background facts…but hearing them instantly makes me think of Mrs. Buttersworth…locker-room headache and not right for this team! Thanks for the enlightenment.

"Well, it’s like the same thing. You’re not going to remember Albert Haynesworth as a BUST or the guy who had the Dallas incident or anything. You will remember him as a great player and that’s what I live for. "

-- AH 27-FEB-2009

by Legacee on Sep 2, 2011 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Been down that road

Although, you think they’d still want Rocky?

by CJHutch on Sep 2, 2011 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

overall team

Ive been a redskin fan since the 70s,this team reminds me of the team that Joe Gibbs had his first yr.Dont under estemate this team.It will fool you.When shanahan was with denver,he took them with the help of a qb,by the name of elway to 2 super bowls,grant it,grossman,beck, are not elway,far from it,but ,jergenson and kilmer were no staubach,or Terry bradshaw either.We will give a lot of teams problems,I can safely say we will go 8 and 2,but who knows,we are talking about the NFL too,look what atlanta did,it could posiblily happen,Go SKINS!!

by Roy m Tillman on Sep 2, 2011 1:44 PM EDT reply actions  

No sir

I think we will get the Giants in week 1…but know that the haters will say that we only beat them because of the injuries that their players have suffered!

"Well, it’s like the same thing. You’re not going to remember Albert Haynesworth as a BUST or the guy who had the Dallas incident or anything. You will remember him as a great player and that’s what I live for. "

-- AH 27-FEB-2009

by Legacee on Sep 2, 2011 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Giants for last place

between the players they lost in free agency and all of their injuries, they don’t have the depth.

Formerly KS and CS

by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Sep 2, 2011 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Where don't they have depth?

CB? I will give you that Terrell Thomas was a big loss. But luckily they have Ross who will step up. Prince? Yeah he broke his foot, but he wasn’t going to be counted on to play much anyways. He’s set to come back in a couple weeks and even then he isn’t going to be asked to start. He will contribute.

TE? Yup the loss of Boss hurts, but he was an Avg TE who got way overpaid.

Ummmm, that’s all I’ve got. Most every other position they are set at depth wise.

I do like your last place prediction though, thanks.

"Winning is the most important thing in my life, after breathing. Breathing first, winning next."

by Larry Soprano on Sep 2, 2011 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

They have lost a ton

The team wasn’t the same after they lost steve smith last year. He’s gone. We took Coefield. As you say, Boss. Prince was scheduled to be a starter. Your best D-lineman is pissed and calling the owner a liar. When you combine fumbles with INT’s, Manning had 2 a game last year. The injuries are wiping out all depth, so by the end of the year, you’ll be signing guys off the street to start.

This team went 4-4 down the stretch last year. They lost to four good teams, and beat the Redskins twice. After Smith went out, you weren’t a good team, and they are now worse than they were then. Last place.

Formerly KS and CS

by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Sep 2, 2011 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm see you get your information from ESPN
The team wasn’t the same after they lost steve smith last year.

Fact. However, he wasn’t the only WR they lost. Hixon before the season started. Nicks to compartment syndrome. Cruz to a hammy. Barden to a broken foot. So yeah the loss of Smith coupled with the loss of a bunch of other WR’s and it’s understandable that the Offense missed a beat. Hixon and Cruz are back and your boy Thomas just might make the team. Couple them with one of the top WR duos in the league and WR depth is a non issue.

Prince was scheduled to be a starter.

False. Prince was never going to be the starter. He was a BPA pick and would have been their dime CB. When he gets back he will be battling for the nickle CB position.

Your best D-lineman is

Justin Tuck. JPP makes Osi’s injury and antics obsolete. Trent Williams will find that out next Sunday.

When you combine fumbles with INT’s, Manning had 2 a game last year.

Fact. However you can attribute a number of those to bad luck. 9 of the INTs last year were in fact tipped balls. I am guessing the odds sway back in his favor and he ends right around 16 or so picks this year. You couple that with 30+ TDs and you have a top tier QB. Something Rex and Beck are not.

This team went 4-4 down the stretch last year. They lost to four good teams, and beat the Redskins twice.

Fact. However, they were still 10-6 and and a miracle away from a bye week in the playoffs.

They resigned key players they needed to, they killed the draft, they got younger and made necessary moves on the OL (Baas is a beast and Beatty is their future LT), and they improved in ST.

The reason they didn’t make the playoffs last year was because of
1) turnovers (coachable/manageble)
2) aging/injured/ineffective OL at end of year (addressed)
3) and poor ST play. (addressed)

Yup, last place

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by Larry Soprano on Sep 2, 2011 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

We're going to find out.

Manning is better than anyone on Washington, but he has been pretty bad this preseason. Not a promising beginning after last year.

I predicted Washington in 2009, and Denver last year. I understand you are a supporter of your team, but from the outside they look like a team on the verge of collapse.

Formerly KS and CS

by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Sep 2, 2011 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

from the outside they look like a team on the verge of collapse.

Honestly, I wouldn’t want it any other way. Love it when this team is counted out.

"Winning is the most important thing in my life, after breathing. Breathing first, winning next."

by Larry Soprano on Sep 2, 2011 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

lol

"Winning is the most important thing in my life, after breathing. Breathing first, winning next."

by Larry Soprano on Sep 2, 2011 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'll give you that

They were counted out in 2007. But i still see them as a 9-7 team at best.

by idigl7220 on Sep 2, 2011 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well hell

You could say the EXACT same thing about us. We “addressed” all of our problems. Or at least, you can SAY we addressed all of our problems. But it’s just words. Wont know for sure until next week.

by CJHutch on Sep 3, 2011 9:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

Track record shows our FO is adept at filling the roster with talent.

I will be at the season opener NYG @ WAS with a few friends. If you are going and feel like looking up a fellow BBVer and having some fun, let me know.

Sunday, Sept. 11 2011 NYG 23 WAS 13

by tommy d. on Sep 5, 2011 9:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ridiculous how much he got wrong there.

Even said Osi was arguing with the owner. It was the GM, the guy who does the contracts.

I will be at the season opener NYG @ WAS with a few friends. If you are going and feel like looking up a fellow BBVer and having some fun, let me know.

Sunday, Sept. 11 2011 NYG 23 WAS 13

by tommy d. on Sep 5, 2011 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Terry Bradshaw

Wasn’t in the same stratosphere with Sonny in his prime. Bradshaw was a product of the team around him. Sonny was one of the best pure passers ever. Vince Lombardi was on record as saying Sonny was the best QB he ever saw. Which means better than Bart Starr. Sonny was just a victim of being on a bad team, and then fate. Lombardi died, then Allen comes in with his craziness, and decides Kilmer is his guy.

by CJHutch on Sep 2, 2011 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

i think we can beat any team in the nfl

if we can beat teams we should beat then we make the playoffs this year. but if we do not beat the giants at home next week i think we should pack it in and go for a high round draft pick. if there was ever a year to lose this year would be it a few good qbs will be in the draft next year… it just really sucks to say that knowing our team is playing as a team and could very well make the playoffs this year. this is just our luck lol

by munson21502 on Sep 2, 2011 1:50 PM EDT reply actions  

Woah

You want to pack it in week 1? Yikes.

by Shannafan on Sep 2, 2011 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

that is a must win for us imo

that game could end up making us 8-8 or 9-7 just out of the playoffs…. and that is alot worse for a rebuilding team the a 1,2,3,4, win season. the giants are hurting right now and will be alot better in health at home the next time we play. the last time we made the playoffs we had a losing streak against dallas and we stopped that streak that year.

by munson21502 on Sep 2, 2011 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Every game could basically make us either of those records

We went 6-0 when zorn first got here and every sports commentator was talking about the redskins going to the playoffs, and we didn’t go. When we did make it to the playoffs last decade we had to go on a winning streak to get there. So just because we lose the first game of the season doesn’t mean our team won’t improve during the season enough to get the wins needed to make the playoffs.

by Nobetterthenbob on Sep 3, 2011 7:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

@the poll

wow what a differnce a bad game makes. just a few days ago the poll was way in becks favor…. i voted for grossmen too. i just feel like he is our best chance to make it to the playoffs. him saying we win the east then looking pretty good this preason the dude wants a one last chance to prove himself and i think he should get the nod

by munson21502 on Sep 2, 2011 2:13 PM EDT reply actions  

I don't think

It matters that much who the starter is, because i don think either of them are NFL quality starters. Personally, I’d rather have Beck because he’s less of a known commodity. If he flops, you can always fall back on Mr. 50-50.
But the not in that Grossman is gonna “prove himself” is a little goofy. That ship has sailed. He’s a procure commodity, and that stock is selling low…very low. There isn’t another team/regime in this league who would contemplate a Rex as a starter. Unfortunately, the same could be said for Beck.

by CJHutch on Sep 2, 2011 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Stupid F@€&ing iPad

The NOTION that he need to prove himself, …..and

He’s a PROVEN commodity

by CJHutch on Sep 2, 2011 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm with you

If Grossman starts, all hope for a winning season is gone. The only chance for this team to be competitive is if Beck is much better than the 55% passer Grossman has been.

Formerly KS and CS

by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Sep 2, 2011 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Guys

Rex numbers are from long time ago. You can not deny that he is better now

by CommunistKevin on Sep 2, 2011 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Last year

55.6% passing, 7 TD’s, 8 Turnovers in 3 games and two minutes. So if that’s better, I would have hated to see worse. Grossman simply is not a competent NFL starting QB.

Formerly KS and CS

by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Sep 2, 2011 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes I can

There’s a reason his numbers are from a long time ago. Nobody wants him. INCLUDING Shanny’s protoge, Kubiak, who had Rex is Houston, and didnt ecen want him as a backup.
David Carr’s numbers are from a long time ago. Should we bring him in next? So are Derek Andersen’s who, by the way, had a WAY better season than Rex will ever have. And still he’s no better than a backup. All these guys are backups for a reason.

 Rex is a decent backup QB, that’s it.

by CJHutch on Sep 3, 2011 9:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think mark sanchez is an NFL quality starter

But that isn’t keeping the jets from being a win away from the super bowl.

by idigl7220 on Sep 2, 2011 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not a

Sanchez fan, but he’s better than what we have. AND he does tend to play better in big games, which is the opposite of Grossman. Who knows with Beck.

by CJHutch on Sep 3, 2011 9:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

vs. the giants

I’m honestly going to give us the win over the giants for quite a few reasons. 1. will be home field advantage. i really think this will be the major factor towards us beating the giants. 2. better offensive line. Not saying that we’re waaay better than last year, but it’s definitely improved. 3. giants are banged up everywhere on defense. 4. giants are starting over on their offensive line, and i don’t care what anyone says, this is always a major factor. they’ve always had continuity, because their line played together for so long and now it’s in a rebuilding stage. 5. and the last reason will simply be, because they’ve had our number for awhile now, and it’s time for us to whoop some GIANTS BUTT!

by alleykatt1000 on Sep 2, 2011 4:50 PM EDT reply actions  

Homefield advantage

I gotta be honest. We really haven’t had a legitimate “home field advantage” since we moved to FedEx.

by Kurtstack on Sep 2, 2011 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

last year shanahan made a big mistake

when he traded a 2nd round pick for mcnabb. if he woulda instead traded that pick to the packers for matt flynn i think we would be sitting pretty going into this season.

by munson21502 on Sep 2, 2011 5:05 PM EDT reply actions  

Captain Obvious statement of the day!
when he traded a 2nd round pick for mcnabb.

Formerly KS and CS

by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Sep 2, 2011 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

How amazing foresight is

If Shanahan only knew McNabb was going to be crap and that Matt Flynn was going to look good against the Patriots after the trade deadline.

by BigOLinemen on Sep 2, 2011 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

I really like this team

And I think they totally have a chance to achieve big things. However, this is the NFL and a handful of plays can make the difference between a 7-9 and 9-7 team. I would put us somewhere in that range. The difference this year being that overall we are a “young” team and I see us moving in the right direction this year.

by Kurtstack on Sep 2, 2011 5:12 PM EDT reply actions  

Again people... get with the plan!

2009: 4-12
2010: 6-10
2011: 8-8
The turtle will always win the race!

by 1x1an on Sep 2, 2011 10:24 PM EDT reply actions  

Yes

8-8 would be amazing. Personally, I see 7-9, unless McNabb is the same QB he was last year, which I doubt. If so though, maybe 8-8.
What suck is, i can really see us going 7-3 to start the season, but then the schedule catches up with us.

by CJHutch on Sep 3, 2011 9:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

i see 7-9 or 6-10 again trust me this team will not be pushed around anymore and they will beat the giants cowgirls and the dream team at least once. say what you want about beck or grossman they are hungry to win and prove the doubters wrong and that could mean trouble for the rest of the n.f.c. go skins.

lohaus #54

by lohaus#54 on Sep 3, 2011 7:58 PM EDT reply actions  

I would be delighted with 8-8, given the infusion of youth.

What’s more important is to see the young players getting experience and showing they belong in the NFL.

As for the division; I see the Iggles struggling with the hype a bit but winning ten. The other teams will be in the seven to nine win range; teams will beat each other.

I believe we can beat the Jints in week one, but you won’t catch me guaranteeing it until you know… they show they deserve it. I think NY will struggle with the injuries and the OL will experience growing pains, but they’re a well run team.

D*ll*s, as usual, have plenty of unevenly distributed talent on their roster which will see them again fail to live up to the hype.

We’re still a work in progress. improvement in the win column would be nice (and I think we’ll see some) but even if we go 7-9 and finish last in the division, it’s more important to see the whole team progress and grow. My predicition;

Philly 10-6
D*ll*s 8-8
NY Jints 8-8
The ’Skins 7-9

I would be delighted with better but would settle for that, Landry Jones, interior OL and a beastly ILB in the draft!

Onwards and upwards.

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