Ten Yard Fight: Let's All Hold Brian Orakpo at the Reed Doughty Lovefest
1. It feels like everyone is beating up on Reed Doughty this week and I have to say I think it is a bit unfair. Like many backup/role players in this league, he has a limited skill set. But what Reed does for the Redskins, he does well. He is an above average tackler, plays very competently close to the line of scrimmage and he has been one of our better special teams performers. More than anything else, Reed Doughty has been there for us going on six seasons now. The Washington Post reported that Doughty has played with 17 safeties since joining the team. Without listing them all, I think it is safe to say that most of those players were considered starters ahead of him. Yet time and time again, Reed has found himself in the starting lineup for one reason or another. Case in point: LaRon Landry and O.J. Atogwe are the "starting" safeties on this team, yet there was Reed Doughty on the field with the one's on opening day. As a backup in 2010, he started nine games.
My point is that Doughty has not been Plan A for a while, but we have not had the luxury of going with Plan A for years. Doughty's biggest problem--in my opinion--is that he finds himself on the field so often, he gets criticized for not being as good as we think our starting safety should be. He is not our starter. He is our backup. And if we are going to be fair, he is almost everything we can possibly ask for in a backup (the box next to "coverage skills" goes a bit unchecked, but Reed would be the first to admit that is not an area he is strong in.) He is one of the hardest working professionals on our roster. He has proven a willingness and desire to do everything in his power to help his fellow position players, at the potential cost of his own job. Reed understands his role, and his dedication to being ready to step in when the team needs him makes him invaluable to a young team like ours.
You can argue that our defense takes a hit when he is back there, but that is the same hit most teams take when the backup is substituted for the starter. We have all taken turns throwing stones at this franchise for enduring players like Albert Haynesworth. Now that our roster is noticeably younger and more impressionable, we need men like Reed Doughty in our locker room, helping to foster a high-character, hard-working culture. I recall speaking to Reed this summer on Pickled Hogs Radio. We mentioned the unforgettable play two years ago when LaRon Landry got posterized by Brandon Jacobs, and how lucky Reed was for not having to stand in front of that train. His testy response still resonates, as it came into sharper focus after the game on Sunday. Doughty said, "I guarantee you LaRon wasn't afraid of Jacobs or of being run over, and neither am I. In a situation like that, if you're the first one there, you're just trying to slow or stop the runner, knowing your teammates are on the way to help bring him down." On Sunday, I watched as Reed took a hell of a shot from the very same Jacobs as one of the "first ones there." He held on and his teammates helped bring the bruiser down. It's funny how powerful words become when they are backed up by action. Some day--perhaps soon--Reed Doughty will no longer be ahead of any safeties on the depth chart. Like many players who have played in the "League", his services will be abruptly labeled Unnecessary. Until then, we as fans need to match our words with our actions. We have asked that our roster be primarily comprised of team-first men that boast high character and strong work ethics. Reed Doughty is not the perfect player, but he is pretty damn close to being the perfect teammate. In my book, that is something worth celebrating.
2. Roster depth is a funny thing...over 1,000 players were dumped two weeks ago. And yet, in a way, every team has a Reed Doughty. For some, an old veteran that a coach just can't say goodbye to might be their Reed Doughty. For others, a promising rookie might be their Reed Doughty. For us, Reed Doughty is a heady, scrappy safety. But as sure as my name is Lucky Day, fans of the Washington Redskins can embrace their own personal Reed Doughty, who also happens to be the actual Reed Doughty.
3. Men with limitations but men you find yourself repeatedly relying on during games...these are the guys who determine the outcomes of contests. The quality of a team's depth often determines how far it can go inside of a season. As much as I do believe we should embrace Doughty more, the reality is that our current depth does not match up to a team like the 2010 Green Bay Packers. To be fair, that goes for a lot of teams.We are getting there.
4. Speaking of getting there...Chris Neild gets us there a lot faster. You have to love the contributions from our rookies.
5. I guess it's true when they say that you could call holding on every play--especially when Brian Orakpo is rushing the passer. I know I might be a bit biased, but he really looks like he is being held rather regularly.
6. The missed field goal was hard to stomach, but Graham Gano's high, angled kickoff that fell just outside of the end zone and buried the Giants deep in their own territory was a thing of beauty. It even checked up and took a funny bounce that I am sure made Tom Coughlin shart himself.
7. It looks like we are getting another defense this week that we should be able to succeed against. The Cardinals just gave up 477 yards to a rookie quarterback. That is what they call a red flag.
8. I would expect to see a lot more screen passes to Tim Hightower against the Cardinals. My bet now is that he has over 100 yards receiving in this game.
9. Jason Campbell, Stephon Heyer and Rock Cartwright all play for the Oakland Raiders. Two of them are team captains. The other committed back-to-back false start penalties and was benched before halftime last night.
10. I think Chris Cooley gave us a glimpse of what most of 2011 will look like from him. His injury is a long-term healing project. He can't worsen the injury or rehab by playing, but he won't be 100% until next September. One thing we know he can do is dominate underneath. At the very least, he could open up some space for Fred Davis up the field. I guess that makes me not in the camp of activating a healthier player in his place.
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Oh and this was a good post. I like Reed, it’s up to coaches to put any player in a position to succeed according to their skill set.
Doughty is better than an above average tackler and in my opinion the best behind fletcher. I do not understand why we don’t give him the credit he deserves… is it the Andre Johnson jump ball that still lingers in our minds? Get over it. The man is a blue collar player that shows up every week and has done more good for us than bad.
by xocnodnarb on Sep 13, 2011 8:27 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
I'm sick and tired of the Red Zone.com's replay of that touch down catch. Not including his jumping ability, Johnson is a lot
taller than Doughty. There are few DBs in the NFL that could have won that battle. Reed was not out of position.
by Jefferson1935 on Sep 13, 2011 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t think there’s a person on this team that could have stopped that TD from happening
by travisjh86 on Sep 13, 2011 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
ive been a hater but well said about doughty
As frustrating as it can be to watch him in coverage, what he does well he does very well
On point 5.
I keep saying it but he really doesn’t get held more than many of the other top rushers. They are just better at getting off blocks and keeping players hands off them than he is.
He tries the same thing on every play and while the will get called occasionally he has to work on other ways of beating a man or he will continue to just be a decent rusher.
#5
We are going to turn blue in the face talking about how often Orakpo is held with no flag. After the talk about his MMA training this off-season, he needs to start getting out of those holds. It’s only a hold if it gets called, and he obviously doesn’t have enough league respect yet to get those calls.
I hear what you are saying about Doughty, but he was clearly the weak spot in our secondary. I wish Landry a speedy recovery. NFL Network does not need a new play starring Doughty to show us every commercial break for the next year.
Agreed on the holds.
Maybe Orakpo just needs to melt somebody’s face, then take the fifteen yards?
Opponents need to know they can’t get away with holding him.
Oh, and on Doughty – article was spot on. He’s a decent player and a good back up. I wonder if the Jints planned to drag him out of postion, hence the plays he looked bad on.
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by Stephen Beagrie on Sep 13, 2011 9:33 AM EDT up reply actions
I love the Reed Doughty love.
Now put some paragraph breaks in that baby, please.
Jason Campbell, Stephon Heyer and Rock Cartwright all play for the Oakland Raiders. Two of them are team captains. The other committed back-to-back false start penalties and was benched before halftime last night
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hahahaha. I saw the back to backs. Terrible.
"By far the worst performers on the (Redskins) are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
paragraph breaks for everyone!
I have to keep #2 on the front page though…it is possible I wrote the entire article just to do that one bit.
by Ken Meringolo on Sep 13, 2011 9:17 AM EDT up reply actions
Excellent Three Amigos reference BTW!!
What the shit
by tony420 on Sep 13, 2011 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I look forward to seeing more of them in future PSSOM articles
believe it or not I had a Three Amigos reference on a fan post response the other day. Love that movie!!
And how many people the old NES game Ten Yard Fight? It was pretty horrible but this was years before Madden or any other player/coach endorsed game.
The great thing about the play from Neild
is that he showed when going 1 on 1 against the C he has great agility to get off the line and round his man.
If he can keep it up (and we know it’s a big if) we may not see him get many more sacks because of the added attention he will be getting but that could free up some of the other guys to make some plays.
I have to admit
When Doughty messes up, I’m usually biting my tongue trying to keep the “F” bombs from flying (I have a 5 year old and a 4 month old, both girls). Yet, when someone else misses an easy pass or a tackle, I try to justify their mistake, regardless of if he is a starter or what. This post got me thinking. Yeah, Doughty is not the best starter, but like you said he is not our normal starter. He is a place holder until the starters are healthy, and in that respect, once you think about it he does a pretty damn good job. I am gonna try harder to appreciate the work that man puts into every game, because he deserves it.
Just had a conversation with my brother
about Doughty last night. He was slamming him as well, too. Reed is more of a SS than a FS and belongs close to the line. He won’t lay a punishing hit like LL but he’s a sure tackler. Coverage is NOT his strongest attribute and yes he sometimes gets burned. Anyone remember LL during the Philly game last year?
I'd prefer you not remind me...
Was there any conclusive evidence as to whether or not he spit on D. Jackson or whatever the complaint was?…
Ive always been in Doughty's corner
but as a backup. He played every defensive snap and all of the special teams snaps last game. I wish Landry and some other guys had the durability of Doughty. He is like a beagle, not the fastest hunting dog, not the smartest hunting dog, not the biggest hunting dog, but hell he never gives up, is always there ready to go and does what he does. Ill take a pack of beagles anyday.
I have come to love Coughlin’s faces. Reminds me, unfortunately for the Giants, of the faces Zorn and Gibbs used to make when the Redskins made some bonehead play.
reed is a good saftey when used right
He is by no means a combine freak but u play him n the box and he can accel, they put him in situations where he has to learn to play it safe instead of trying to make a play like when he bit on the double move, I think he shud b used more as a blitzer and less as a deep zone/last line of defense…
by BmoreRedskin on Sep 13, 2011 9:46 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Yeah, I wasn't buying the Reed hate on Sunday
because it seemed to me like he was involved almost on every play, and more often than not he made good tackles. He’s too slow to cover faster recievers but he’s a good inside safety net imo.
Question: Woody, what happened to the ball movement? Answer: I think our defense was pretty solid tonight. We held them to under 200 points so we did our job on that end.
Rocky Mac was in on a lot of tackles as well.
2nd to Reed for the game. 4 solos 3 assists.
Something tells me his hate is not going anywhere tho.
Reed was quoted as saying the one mistake was more mental, rather than a matter of physical ability
If so, it won’t repeat often. A good guy to have around, excellent tackler.
If a player (or employee in any business) is working as hard and as best that he can
you should never knock him. As the Coach/Empoyer/Supervisor, it’s your job to replace him or change his job to something he can handle. I think all the quotes above agree that Doughty is doing the best he can with his available skills.
Thanks for that article Ken, I think it was needed.
I'm not the Devil's Advocate but I consiider him a close friend
oh come on
He not a 6 year old just learning the game that needs protecting.
Is everyone just supposed to say unlucky, at least you tried you’re best?
He screwed up so he’s going to get criticised the same way another player would if he dropped a pass or threw a pick etc.
Sure some of it has been over the top as he’s a decent enough player to have as a backup but the play was nothing to do with his physical abilities it was just a stupid decision he made.
precisely...
all these supporters are also the same ones to criticize the OL (well deserved). Reed gets an A for effort, no one can deny. He gets a F for his play this last weekend. I’m sure he is a nice guy and a good backup, but that does not protect him from criticism.
an F??!!!
dude, come on….the guy led our team in tackles with 10! More than London! Yea, he got beat in coverage once or twice, but an F??!! Not even close.
I give him a C+ for his starting performance. Add in the fact he is a backup, and his overall grade rises to a B.
Hail to 'Em
by SkinsaneAsylum on Sep 13, 2011 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions
those plays were the only ones that influenced the game...
That is why I give him a low grade. He completely tackled air on Bradshaws touchtown, he was lost in no man’s land on the deep Nicks pass, and where was he on the TE down the middle. Those are the only plays NYG had and he was personally responsible for each.
I am not saying he is worthless, just stating the obvious; aside from him, our defense played incredible.
You're mental
He was incredible against the rush on sunday. Yes, he kind of sucked in coverage and got beat on the touchdown. But he was a big part of the reason why the giants didn’t have a great game rushing. He has an uncanny ability to read rushing plays.
Doughty is a smart player
But he made mental mistakes. He screwed up some reads and I think on the biggest catch he gave up, he saw something on film that made him see deep dig and he bit. Teams know what you know about them. They know on 3rd and 15 they run a deep dig route or whatever. So they’ll play off that and fake it then go, and you get what doughty did. But maybe he just bit. It all happens so fast you can’t really think, so if your instincts do you wrong, you look really bad infront of 80k people at fed ex.
The other read he messed up was the self admitted red zone run for a TD. He was thinking smoke screen and got run instead. It’s amazing how 1 player out of 11 screwing up can make the entire defense look really bad. Offenses will be keying on doughty whenever he is in, so he has his work cut out for him. The rest of the defense can help by bringing the heat on those qb’s.
That deep dig/go route doesn’t go for a td if manning is on his back in 2 seconds ;)
The Beat Box aka skins secondary.
Doughty is better than most teams' backup Safeties...
And although he is a better SS than FS, he still can backup both positions. That versatility along with the fact that he is a hard worker and good teammate makes him a necessity on this developing roster.
I don't like Doughty
as a player in our secondary. Maybe if he could put on 30lbs, he would be a decent backup linebacker. Yes, he is a good. Yes, he has a gut-wrenching story. Yes, he works harder than most players on the team. You know who else did?

haha...you are consistent
I have to respect that.
by Ken Meringolo on Sep 13, 2011 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't remember Rudy ever statistically leading his team in tackles (like Reed did in Wk 1)...
by preppiejack on Sep 13, 2011 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions
Rudy does lead in highest Sack Percentage per Play in the History of the NCAA
One Sack in One Play.
100% Ratio.
Look
The Rudy thing is obviously a joke. Yes, I realize Doughty is a halfway decent safety. But, I’m sorry, I don’t hafta want the guy on my team just cuz he’s a good guy. I was behind him all the way when Gibbs kept him, because of his backstory. And I liked the fact that he earned his place on the team after that. I also agree that he outplayed Horton the past two years, hence the move to cut Horton. But him beating out one guy doesn’t necessarily make him good, it just makes him better than that guy,
You read my comment, I think he’d make a good linebacker if he were heavier. But he’s not, so he has to be called upon to cover sometimes. Yes, Landry too lacks great coverage skills. But LL has the speed and athleticism to (sometimes) make up for it. Doughy does not. So, like i said before, how many times do we have to see him get burnt for big plays before we realize there has to be someone, ANYONE better out there.
I think Doughy is a “coach’s guy”. Ken’s right in that regard, he’s the type of guy you want on your team. But he plays the wrong position for that type of guy. That type of guy needs to be someone in the 1st or 2nd line of defense (Phil Daniels, LorAx, respectively), not your last line. If you’re going to keep someone around because they make your locker room better, you should be able to protect their deficiencies on the field. Can’t do that with a safety.
I know you were just joking about Rudy...
I was just saying (because I am a Doughty supporter) that he made big mistakes, but he also made a couple nice plays.
Hopefully the 53 man roster is made up of the players who are "coach’s guy"(s). Who is the best evaluator of
talent? Amateurs on a football blog or NFL coaches? Second guess me while I’m laughing in your face.
by Jefferson1935 on Sep 13, 2011 9:50 PM EDT up reply actions
thing that made me mad at Reed Doughty
is on a few plays eli just floated the ball up there and he just sat there 5 yards back and waited for the wr to catch it. he should at least put a good hit on the wr as the ball gets there. worst that can happen is he gets flaged for hitting him early and the ball will be there at the spot. rather have that then a easy catch.
I don't hate doughty
initially, he was a very good player, but he was completely abused in the Giants game. His best days are past. He has not played well of recent and that is all there is to it. Recent being since I can’t remember when. The Redskins need the best players they can get and I find it hard to believe they can not get a better SS than him. I would see if Horton is healthy. That is how I think of Doughty right now.
by hambonejackson on Sep 13, 2011 11:01 AM EDT reply actions
The Skins already cut Horton.
And Doughty is definitely better than Horton (who had 1 good game ever).
by preppiejack on Sep 13, 2011 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions
10 tackles is above decent...he got burned in coverage, but he still played a decent game
and since he is a backup filling in for an injured starter, thats all you can ask. he delivered everything that the coaches need him to.
Hail to 'Em
by SkinsaneAsylum on Sep 13, 2011 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions
The tackles
Ar a result of being where he’s supposed to be. Nobody is denying that he’s a good tackler. But part of his job is coverage, and he has proven inept at it every time he’s given a chance. So I disagree with your assessment that that’s “all you can ask”. Backups do the job they’re supposed to do all the time. Maybe not AS GOOD, or AS CONSISTENTLY as the starter, but they are at least capable of doing the job. Doughy is not the least bit capable in coverage. That’s a solid fact. He’s not fast, he can’t jump, and he can’t routes.
On last nights game
Heyer had those back to back penalties, then got benched, and the announcers never mentioned it. Not once. They were terrible last night.
Formerly KS and CS
by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Sep 13, 2011 11:07 AM EDT reply actions
haha, you are so right
i kept hoping that jaws and gruden were going to be flown in on the MNF helicopter to wrestle the booth back from dilfer and co.
Hail to 'Em
by SkinsaneAsylum on Sep 13, 2011 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Cowboys fans for you
in the stadium that should have had the strongest security presence of any on Sunday — the New York Jets’ home game on the 10th anniversary of 9/11 — an ugly fight broke out in the stands, with one fan using a taser.
A 59-year-old man named Leroy McKelvey, who was wearing a Cowboys jersey at the Jets game, was charged with three counts of aggravated assault and two weapons counts for using the taser, which is illegal in New Jersey.
"A Marine at the end of the row noticed that McKelvey and three others in his party would not stand or take their hats off for the national anthem," a law enforcement officer told the Cliffview Pilot. "So the Marine tells McKelvey he better not have to get out of the row ’cause he won’t let him out."
And then at halftime, when McKelvey did try to get out of the row, that’s when the fight broke out.
Formerly KS and CS
by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Sep 13, 2011 11:11 AM EDT reply actions
Stay classy Dallas
"If a man speaks and there is no woman around to hear him, is he still wrong???"
by ThuGodfather on Sep 13, 2011 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions
America's Team?
….riiiiight
Hail to 'Em
by SkinsaneAsylum on Sep 13, 2011 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions
The marine is a dick, for real...
Way to play ass-clown hall monitor. Last time I checked the Constitution didn’t require citizens do take off their hats or stand for the anthem.
‘Contrairiwise,’ continued Tweedledee, ‘if it was so, it might
be; and if it were so, it would be: but as it isn’t, it ain’t. That’s
logic.’ — Through the Looking Glass, Lewis Carroll
by TerroristFistJab on Sep 13, 2011 3:59 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Perhaps
but the guy should have known better. Wearing the opposition jersey in New York on the 10th anniversary of 9/11 and not standing in front of a guy who probably has fought in the subsequent wars and lost friends…just asking for trouble.
That’s like parking your Porshe in the worst section of DC, with the keys in it and the doors open, then being shocked and upset when someone steals it.
Formerly KS and CS
by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Sep 13, 2011 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions
No, it's not like that at all.
"By far the worst performers on the (Redskins) are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
Like Smuts, i dislike the analogy...
A more appropriate comparison could be seen in the Seinfeld where Kramer gets mobbed because he doesn’t want to wear a red ribbon in the AIDS march.
It’s even scarier that the government spent hundred of thousands of dollars to train a man to be a killing machine, and he decides his job is to play Captain America and judge another individuals patriotism.
‘Contrairiwise,’ continued Tweedledee, ‘if it was so, it might
be; and if it were so, it would be: but as it isn’t, it ain’t. That’s
logic.’ — Through the Looking Glass, Lewis Carroll
by TerroristFistJab on Sep 13, 2011 6:48 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
This doesn't excuse the tazing in my book
But the guy was apparently a jehovah’s witness, and they apparently don’t stand for the pledge or national anthem as a matter of religion.
Exactly!
Though maybe you can understand why someone would want a tazer if they’ve got amped-up Marines refusing to let them pass.
The whole story is just goofy, as is singing the Anthem before sporting events.
‘Contrairiwise,’ continued Tweedledee, ‘if it was so, it might
be; and if it were so, it would be: but as it isn’t, it ain’t. That’s
logic.’ — Through the Looking Glass, Lewis Carroll
by TerroristFistJab on Sep 13, 2011 9:16 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Doughty was pretty brutal on Sunday in the first half, but I blame Haslett for leaving him out on an island like that, where he really has no chance against the kinds of receivers the Giants have. However, credit to Haslett for adjusting at halftime. Doughty was up near the line of scrimmage for most of the second half, and the D played a lot better.
by JimmyK on Sep 13, 2011 11:32 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
+1
I kept yelling at the TV that he was a SS and shoudl be in the box as much as possible….glad haslett eventually figured that out too by the 2nd half
maybe they will bring me on as an asst D coordinator
Hail to 'Em
by SkinsaneAsylum on Sep 13, 2011 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes, I agree
It’s the coaches’ fault for leaving him out there. But that’s what the position calls for at times.
Anyone else enjoy watching Fal Al roll around and get owned on numerous plays?
"If a man speaks and there is no woman around to hear him, is he still wrong???"
He was great on some plays, and was a lazy ass loser on others.
Standard for that f-ckhead
"By far the worst performers on the (Redskins) are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
He was never great
He was decent on a few plays – like making an arm tackle on Bush or breaking through the line, but the majority of the time he got owned. I was laughing non-stop.
"If a man speaks and there is no woman around to hear him, is he still wrong???"
by ThuGodfather on Sep 13, 2011 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions
Thoroughly
I enjoyed watching all the ex redskins struggle especially mcscab, even though Carlos rogers had a decent game against the seahawks I hope he eventually gets lit up as well
by BmoreRedskin on Sep 13, 2011 11:43 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Why angry at Rogers
All he ever did was play hard. It’s not his fault he has chopsticks for hands.
Formerly KS and CS
by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Sep 13, 2011 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions
It's his fault
He was so eager to leave. Dummy overvalued himself too, which is why he stayed out there so long. Then he had to take the deal with SanFran because he had money problems. What’s funny is, he SAID he wanted to stay in the NFC East and play us twice. If he would’ve waited a little longer, he probably could’ve gone to the Giants, what with all their injuries. Regardless of how pathetic his hands are, he is still a solid cover corner.
don't irrationally dislike players just b/c they're gone.
Al deserves it.
Carlos & McNabb do not.
It’s not McNabb’s fault Shanahan made a terrible trade.
"By far the worst performers on the (Redskins) are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
Depends
on the truth of McNabb’s unwillingness and lack of effort to learn the playbook (which I would imagine is somewhere in between). Not the greatest trade, but if McNabb tried to mail the season in, much more of that is on him.
by l.pensinger on Sep 13, 2011 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I was cheering pretty hard for Campbell. Man, I love Hue Jackson’s smashmouth offense. Sometimes I envy those teams using power blocking schemes. They were pancacking the Broncos LB’s, it was absolutely awesome.
by brazilianbeast on Sep 13, 2011 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions
I really enjoyed that game as well....
its hard for me to watch JC, I really want him to do well….but I think he always be consistently average, at best. I have always been a Campbell supporter and kind of wanted to keep him but I think I am over that now. (mainly because I believe that even if wee kept him the Donovan deal still goes down). Rex>Campbell, and I don’t think it is even close.
My dream scenario is still Redskins over Oakland w/ Campbell in the Superbowl. That way Jason can enjoy some success, we get validation for making the right move (not that we need it at this point) and we can get some revenge for that beat down by that other Raider team from LA.
It’s almost hypocritical for me to say this, considering I am a fan of the old school Raiders, but they really need to cut back on those unnecessary penalties, almost cost them the game.
On a side note Grossman looked waaaaaay better than Cutler.
"Please don't dominate the rap, Jack, if you got nothin' new to say."-Robert Hunter
Haynesworth and McNabb are really the only ones I want to see self destruct in a big way.....
but Don’t even really consider them Redskins. I would like to see Carlos do well. I know he talked a little smack, but I can let that go. It probably helps that he went to SF as I lived there for a while and have some good friends that are big fans, also have fond memories of them taking Dallas out back in the day. Same thing with our boys out in Oakland, I always liked them back in the day (Stabler, Belitnikoff, Tatum, The Storn et al) I definitely enjoyed seeing Rock running down and making great plays on ST last night.
"Please don't dominate the rap, Jack, if you got nothin' new to say."-Robert Hunter
what do you have against mcNabb?
"By far the worst performers on the (Redskins) are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
I don't blame his "eroding" skills
I was concerned because there was never any kind of report regarding him attempting to pick up the new system… the perception (again, you can only go by what you read and what you see) is that McNabb only bothered to learn the first progression on many plays and when it wasn’t there, he free-lanced. I gotta believe that Shanahan wanted him to succeed and McNabb wasn’t enough of a professional for him in regards to the way that he prepared for a game. Maybe that’s all bs too, none of us were in the locker room to know what’s transpired, but you sure didn’t hear a lot of players lamenting about McNabb not being there this year, but again, could be that guys are just falling into line after discovering who’s really in charge.
maybe the Minny/San Diego game is simply an outlier (after all, the Chargers are a very good team defensively), but the questions are now being asked openly by guys who had McNabb’s back, has he lost it?
I used to be disgusted, now I try to be amused....
so you dislike McNabb b/c he sucked on a terrible team (ours)
and b/c he may or may not have studied hard enough.
Um, ok.
"By far the worst performers on the (Redskins) are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
well he had two strikes against him from the get go....
as he was an Eagle for 10 years…..but that’s really only foundation, If he had went directly from the Eagles to Arizona I doubt I would bear any animosity, but he came in here and I don’t believe he bought into the system, in fact I think it was quite the opposite. I don’t think he gave 100% and I think he is a very selfish player, he gets a lot of credit for being a “classy” individual because he is always well spoken and never lashes out verbally in situations that most players would…well perhaps he never lashes out because he really just doesn’t care that much.
"Please don't dominate the rap, Jack, if you got nothin' new to say."-Robert Hunter
by MagicHat on Sep 13, 2011 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
btw, I used Ariz as a neutral site.....
I don’t like Minny at all.
"Please don't dominate the rap, Jack, if you got nothin' new to say."-Robert Hunter
what are you basing this selfishness accusation on?
"By far the worst performers on the (Redskins) are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
"selfish" might be interpereted as being a bit harsh....
but I stand by it in this context. This goes back to his time with the Eagles, it shows in his demeanor. If I am an OT who has been engaging in hand to hand combat with Demarcus Ware all day, and my QB throws a bad int, I do not want to see that man shrug his shoulders and walk to the sidelines with a nig ol smile on his face. I do not believe he is fully invested.
"Please don't dominate the rap, Jack, if you got nothin' new to say."-Robert Hunter
so a bunch of assumptions based on body language.
meanwhile he’s taken all the shit anybody has ever given him, and he just kept playing like a professional.
"By far the worst performers on the (Redskins) are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
I was in your same corner
On McNabb, but the more I hear of this not wanting to wear the wristband stuff, I’m starting to buy into it. It all sounds entirely plausible to me.
Why not play Gomes in place of Doughty
He is a very good cover guy, and loves to come up and hit………best of both worlds.
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experience would be my guess
coaches, especially more old school ones, frequently default to the guy with experience.
"By far the worst performers on the (Redskins) are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
I remember a couple of quotes last year.....
from young players talking about the young guys having to play your way in with Shanny, hence the whole Galloway fiasco.
"Please don't dominate the rap, Jack, if you got nothin' new to say."-Robert Hunter
Disagree
I completely disagree with your argument on Doughty. For my argument, look no further than the Packers. The Packers had 12 guys on IR and won the superbowl, which means that they had 12 talented guys sitting on the bench who stepped up and played at a elite level, not getting beat on just about every big play (i.e. Doughty on Sunday). Sure, where the Skins are no in their building process he can stick around, but he should be gone by next year after training camp as someone from this draft or the next should replace him. Our starters are much better, but our depth is still a work in progress (Jenkins v. Carriker and our lack of D-Line push). I love a guys heart as much as the next guys, but that doesn’t mean he should be on the team. Neild came in as a backup and had 1.5 sacks. Doughty should continue to be lambasted for his performance and I will not be surprised if Gomes gets the nod if Landry can’t go.
gee, well if all you're comparing us to is the best team in the NFL at finding late round gems
BY FAR….
"By far the worst performers on the (Redskins) are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
+1
kool aid is strong right about now
Hail to 'Em
by SkinsaneAsylum on Sep 13, 2011 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions
That's my point exactly
Why are we touting a guy a “good back up” when he’s not a good player. Who want’s Doughty or a player of his caliber on this team in the next 2-3 years? If Greenbay’s roster is elite, then should the Redskins not be striving for elite status? Our starting LG and C would be backups in a lot of places around the league, so do we put up a post about how good they are? Doughty is a liability that has nd will continue to cause us to lose games. He’s a good tackler? That’s all you have for me? Pat White was fast and a play maker, but he was terrible at the position of QB. Let’s compare our roster to the Bears, or the Colts (when Bob Sanders was injured every year), or New England who just cut a starter, or….pick any team that has lost a starting saftey and has had to put someone else in that spot. None of those teams put any one in there that was as terrible as Doughty.
you are dramatically overstating how bad Doughty is
You’re really arguing the Bears or the Colts (who actually suck w/o Peyton masking their problems) haven’t played someone like Doughty?
Doughty is a mediocre back up.
I can’t believe this warrants any discussion.
"By far the worst performers on the (Redskins) are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
Peyton Manning did not play defense when Bob Sanders went out, so I’m not quite sure how his presence or lack thereof effect the defenses performance other than keeping them off of the field.
Doughty IS a mediocre back up who’s coverage weakness leads to touch downs. He WILL not be on the team in 2-3 years and may very well be replaced on the field this Sunday if Landry can’t go.
Doughty IS a mediocre back up who’s coverage weakness leads to touch downs. He WILL not be on the team in 2-3 years and may very well be replaced on the field this Sunday if Landry can’t go.
Agree. Not sure what we’re arguing about.
"By far the worst performers on the (Redskins) are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
If he was really that bad
The Giants would have won handily, while putting up more than 14 points.
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be; and if it were so, it would be: but as it isn’t, it ain’t. That’s
logic.’ — Through the Looking Glass, Lewis Carroll
by TerroristFistJab on Sep 13, 2011 4:05 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
It is a testament to the rest of his teamates...
Reed was not playing the whole NY offense, by himself. So, you sound ridiculous. Reed, though, was responsible the 14. How can anyone argue that?
it was Reed's fault on that Bradshaw run, nobody else huh?
wow.
"By far the worst performers on the (Redskins) are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
I thought Rocky had some nice plays.
"By far the worst performers on the (Redskins) are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
watch the replay...
he was to fill the hole, which he did, sort of, and make the tackle.
WWWWWIIIIIIIFFFFFFFFFFFF!!!!!!!!!! Just tackling air. Bradshaw walks in.
Indeed. However he is not the only defender responsible for making that tackle.
"By far the worst performers on the (Redskins) are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
that may be true...
but he was the only one left unblocked and was in position to make the play, AND HE DIDN’T. My criticism would be the same if it were someone else who wiffed. This is not a personal attack on Reed, it is an honest evaluation of his performance.
he does not bear sole blame for that play.
"By far the worst performers on the (Redskins) are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
You guys are completely missing something
Yes he is a backup. Yes backups shouldn’t be held to the same standard as starters.
But reed is almost a starter. If a backup has to play half the season, year in and year out, he needs to be better than the backup that never sees playing time.
If the staff expects Landry to be hampered by injuries and require a backup to start frequently, then it’s their job to make sure that is a good backup.
No one cares If fletchers backup is a drop off, cuz fletch neve misses a game. But if you are EXPECTING a starter to miss significant time regularly, his backup needs to be good
by tman5 on Sep 13, 2011 12:40 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
This is like
Having two malcom kellys as your starting receivers, but then just settling for bad play when their backups have to play for them.
Staff needs to plan for injuries to players that are injury prone more than to durable players
by tman5 on Sep 13, 2011 12:44 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
10 tackles is by far better than the backup that never sees time…
But reed is almost a starter. If a backup has to play half the season, year in and year out, he needs to be better than the backup that never sees playing time
Hail to 'Em
by SkinsaneAsylum on Sep 13, 2011 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions
I think he gets thrown at more than any safety in the league.
he’s never there before the ball, though. Check his passes defended over the last two years. There were about 70 safeties with more passes defended in 2010. He is never there before the ball.
Everything you say is true...
What I don’t understand is, how does his being a backup have any bearing on his worthiness to receive criticism. Yes, there is a reason he is a backup; he lacks the talent to be a starter. And when he is playing in place of the starter, his team is relying on him to perform, which he did not do on 3 seperate occasions this last Sunday. Yes, it is a team game, but he was solely responsible for the 3 big plays, by being in the wrong place and wiffing.
Also, the pass rush argument holds no water. There is something called a coverage sack. It is referred to when the secondary coverage is so good, the QB has nowhere to go with the ball. Manning was licking his chops with Reed’s coverage, and blaming the pass rush for not getting there is a copout.
I definitely did not blame the pass rush...
But I do think Reed played well in his backup role on Sunday.
by Ken Meringolo on Sep 13, 2011 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions
agreed
if you are focusing on three plays…..well, thats the difference between a starter and a backup sir. a good backup messes up a handful of plays, or they would be a starter. a bad backup messes up numerous plays (more than 3) and does not add 10 tackles
Hail to 'Em
by SkinsaneAsylum on Sep 13, 2011 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions
and for the record....
i say criticize him all you want. he deserves to be held ot a higher standard, as I am sure he hold himself to above all else.
Hail to 'Em
by SkinsaneAsylum on Sep 13, 2011 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions
The problem is
Its the same plays every game. Big ones he gives up game winners. Long touchdowns. He is a professional football player for the team I root for, and he gets paid well for that. He is therefor eligible for any criticism heaped his way.
and it's not just three plays...
it was the three plays that had a direct affect on the 14 points NY scored. ALL THREE BIG PLAYS. I can’t get over everyone rushing to defend him, when he played badly. The other positions / players rarely get so much consideration.
Someone else who deserves criticism was Trent Williams. To not even try to block JPP on that sack/ff. INEXCUSABLE!!!! The OL had extreme difficulty opening holes to run through and gave Rex very little time. They all need to work on their play.
so your determination of bad play is...
how many bad plays a guys commits? Really?
This team’s defense played great, minus one guy.
Doughty Love??
Don’t get us wrong.. I’m sure every fan respects Reed Doughty and appreciates the blue collar attitude and work ethic he’s brought to Washington for 6 years.
With that being said that doesn’t make him “untouchable” to our criticism. If he doesn’t play well then by all means let him have it!! Jason Campbell worked hard, was a great teammate and was as professional as they come.. Didn’t matter much when it came him being criticized, did it? Why is Doughty untouchable but JC isn’t?
Who deserves the criticism?
Obviously, you can criticize whomever you want to. But if you think about it, as this article points out, we know what we get with Doughty, same person year after year. You really should only criticize Doughty if he’s not doing something that he’s capable of doing. That’s not the case with Reed.
So instead, criticize the other safeties that we’ve brought in over the past 6 years, as they couldn’t make the Skins release Doughty. Criticize the personnel department for not having found a more competent replacement than Doughty. Criticize the coaches for calling plays that put Doughty in the position to have to cover players that he doesn’t have the capability to cover consistently.
I would argue that you should respect Doughty, cause all he does is keep fighting. And as a backup, all he does is keep winning a roster spot. You have to admire that.
I’m just saying…
Let me be clearer for you
Why criticize Reed Doughty when he’s doing exactly what he always does. The coaches and scouts should find a better player. They keep bringing in other safeties, but none ever supplants Reed as the backup. So criticize the others, Reed just keeps doing his thing as best he can. What more can you ask of any player.
I used to love Doughty
But I just don’t think he’s good. I think we all agree that he’s poor in coverage, and I’ve never seen him as a sure tackler. He throws shoulders rather than wrapping up but isn’t strong enough to get away with it. He takes terrible angles against the run and the pass.
I like his story, he does seem like a really hard worker, and a genuinely solid human being, but I haven’t seen any aspect of his game that doesn’t make him a liability. Can’t cover, can’t tackle, maybe serviceable stacking the box, but if that’s the case let’s use him situationally, and on special teams.
Again, I’ve been behind Doughty since day one. But we’re much worse when he is on the field, and we need to give someone else the spot in most situations. Ad always, that’s just my two cents
you're selling his tackling ability way short, IMO
"By far the worst performers on the (Redskins) are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
I must be.
Seems like everyone but me agrees that he’s a great tackler. I can’t remember the last time I saw him make an impressive tackle, but remember two failed shoulder tackles and one very soft missed arm tackle from Sunday.
Maybe I’m mixed up but I just don’t see it. Which is strange, because I’m 90% sure I’ve called him a good tackler on this website before.
I don't...
He totally wiffed on the Bradshaw TD. I believe all the guys that make it to this level are good players who can play. But there is a big gap between talent and some exposure of weaknesses in some guys abilities. He, sadly, get exposed often.
Gotta love Reed
He’s a great guy. Last summer at training camp he went out of his way to say hi to my little guys (5 and 6 yrs old now) and sign their footballs. All while his ‘handler’ was telling him he had to go. He has two lifelong fans…
My give a damn broke.
by davesomethin on Sep 13, 2011 5:36 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
he's a strong safety
good post. Problem is that because Doughty is a backup everyone expects him to be a good strong safety and a good free safety. He’s without question an above average backup strong safety. Probably 20 teams would take him over their backup strong safety. But we also expect him to be excellent covering elite WRs downfield. Laron Landry wasn’t an especially good free safety when he played back there. But now Laron only has to play his good position. Laron’s an above average starter. Doughty is an above average backup. Neither is great when covering a good WR.
by hsoup on Sep 13, 2011 8:37 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Great Article
About time someone points out how valuable Reed has been for the skins.
Nield, I’ve rooted for him since he was our last pick. Just something gritty and blue collar about him. Orakpo, is held often. We see it, why don’t the officials? Confused.
I think too the men who are going to be blocking him in the upcoming games are being reminded, of all the ways you can hold a guy and get away with it.

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