Washington Redskins Achieve True Team Victory Over Giants
by Ken Meringolo on Sep 12, 2011 9:49 AM EDT
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Print1. Even though I called a 34-14 win by the Redskins yesterday, I was in complete shock throughout the final five to ten minutes of the game. With no wins against the Giants since 2007 and their relative dominance over us going back even further, it was very surreal to see us absolutely have our way with New York. It was a very weird feeling. Not only did we win, but it wasn't as a result of some ridiculous sequence of bizarre events in the final seconds that left us on the winning side. We won the game. Though the final remained in doubt late into the game, you could argue that we won handily. And everyone chipped in (except one guy who failed to chip one in through the uprights...but there is no need to harp on that...it's not like we have had bad luck with kickers over the years...)
2. Our offense seemed to get rather comfortable as the game wore on, but you can't talk about "winning handily" without a tip of the hat to Antrel Rolle. If Rolle makes a smarter play, the Giants get the ball back down by a touchdown. Instead, Rolle commits the foolish personal foul and we go on to seal the victory. To me, this was the play that broke the backs of the Giants.
3. The blocked field goal was also a treat, and is probably right there with the Rolle penalty as the most influential plays of the second half. For my money, there are few greater sights than that of Tom Coughlin in complete disbelief as his team falls apart at the seams. He has absolutely revolutionized the look of hapless indignance.
4. We have been hearing a lot about how depleted the New York defense was yesterday, but nobody wants to really trumpet how our defense dominated a Giants offense that was not at all depleted. I applaud Rex Grossman and his offensive teammates for taking care of business against a defense that certainly had a few deficiencies. But can we please not discount what the Washington defense did against an offense that has been known to drop 50 or more points on us in the recent past? In case you were worried that the Redskins merely went "safe" with their selection of Ryan Kerrigan, please rest easy. He only scored the game-winning touchdown. (And how about the seventh-rounder, Chris Neild?)
5. I spent a good deal of time watching the sideline yesterday. One of the hallmarks of our team over the last handful of seasons has been the hot mess that has developed outside the white lines. Confusion, chaos, discord and distraction have all been the main characters in the Greek tragedy that has been our sideline situation. I am relieved to report that--at least from my perspective--things looked very much under control all day long. Mike Shanahan was calm and collected and the players fed off of it. I think we only committed three penalties? It probably won't always be that good, but this is a definite continuation of what we saw in the preseason. Discipline, order and purpose were all on full display. It was amazing.
6. Welcome to the party, Fred Davis. Watching his number get called yesterday in important situations was a real pleasure. Chris Cooley showed why he has a reputation for battling through injuries to stay on the field. I am not sure if they showed the television audience, but he was gimpy running on and off the field all day. Cooley and Davis were on the field together for a number of plays, but Davis proved to be almost impossible for the shorthanded Giants to cover. I think that it is clear the Shanahans kept the lid on Davis as much as possible in the preseason. The way he got his numbers yesterday didn't even seem that hard. If and when Kyle Shanahan wants to, you get the idea they could probably call Davis' number twice as many times with similar success.
**Today's topic: How weird was that feeling after the game? We won by two touchdowns over a divisional opponent that--although injury-plagued--looked capable of continuing their run of dominance over us. Our basement-dwelling defense from a year ago shut out Eli and company in the second half. It is like...we have a real team.
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T-5 seconds until Parks leaves a comment blasting Gano.
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Been a busy morning, but... GANO SUCKS!
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by Parks Smith on Sep 12, 2011 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions
o and.... BANKS IS A MORON!
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Same feeling here!
It is like…we have a real team.
Yesterday I thought: “Wow, we won a game. We won a game without any bizarre miracle plays occurring, it’s like we actually won a football game.”
Question: Woody, what happened to the ball movement? Answer: I think our defense was pretty solid tonight. We held them to under 200 points so we did our job on that end.
Biggst margin of victory since late 2009.
Well done.
"By far the worst performers on the (Redskins) are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
28 points...21 from our offense
HUGE…
by Ken Meringolo on Sep 12, 2011 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions
+1 That's how the 3-4 should look!
I knew it would take at least a year to learn and implement it… I think we might be ahead of shcedule
lol i think he meant we were 3 for 4 in the red zone
but yea the 3-4 Def looked great
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by HailToTheRedskins on Sep 12, 2011 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions
I love the way the team is moving, have done all offseason
but I hope people don’t get too carried away now.
It’s amazing seeing every player giving everything on each play. Even when a tackle is missed there are 8 players around the ball to make up for it, it’s something we haven’t seen from this team for a long time.
I think they beat a pretty bad Giants team yesterday and still wouldn’t expect more than 7-8 wins but it’s great finally having a platform to build from.
Exactly. Great win. Shows what they're capable of. Still expect an up & down season BUT
build for the future.
"By far the worst performers on the (Redskins) are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
Still raising the Mike's Hard...
…instead of the Kool-Aid, but I’ll definitely raise a glass to the burgundy and gold for last night. I missed the second half (sadface :( ) but hopefully I can pick up a replay this week.
OT – did anyone else enjoy watching the Steelers get curbstomped as much as I did?
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yea it was sick
Wouldve been better if i wasnt playing against flacco and rice in Fantasy Football
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by HailToTheRedskins on Sep 12, 2011 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, talk to me after week 4 and see how I'm doing then, :D
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Well lets keep in mind
IF the giants were a team we were suppposed to beat due to injuries…we beat them!
That is a huuuuuuuuuuge change. I cann’t overstate it at all. Years have gone by where the skins played down to opponents they were supposed to beat.
And its not like anyone besides Joe T. picked us to beat the giants in the national media anyway. Maybe a couple other dudes like lombardi, but still the skins were underdogs going into the game despite home field advantage and a revamped roster.
We beat a team we(skins fans) knew we could beat. VICTORY MONDAY
The Beat Box aka skins secondary.
Victory Monday
Which the skins opted out of
Actually there were quite a few media types that picked us
Having said that. Its not for the same reason as us Skins fans.
They picked Giants to lose not necessarily for us to win if ya know what i mean.
Kens 4th point says it all.
As Skins fans we were hoping that our D was what we thought it was and i think we really hung our hat on that. I know that is what I was thinking. The D came thru.
I was pleasantly surprised with our offense. Lets face it, last year that TD pass to Armstrong is off the mark, an olb tipped pass is not a pick 6(not that that has anything to do with the O, but still stands).
K-E double R-I —-G-A-N spells Kerrigan.
I honestly believe he is gonna be better then Orakpo. And that is not taking anything away from Rak, i just feel Ryan is gonna be that good.
DAMN it feels good to have youth!!!!
I have to admit
I’ve been a huge critic of Grossman. But those two TD’s passes were fantastic. Both of them had to be “shaped” in terms of throwing the ball around the defender and to the receiver. I can’t remember the last time I saw a Redskins QB make those throws.
This was a fun win, but we shouldn’t get carried away. This win was exactly like Dallas last year. We beat the team that will finish last in the division.
Formerly KS and CS
by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Sep 12, 2011 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions
Last year we won on the last play of the game, with our offense showing NOTHING
and our defense weren’t that good either, we won off a holding call that we have all seen not given many times over the years. Last Night we won with a MUCH improved offense and the defense gave the Giants nothing in the 2nd half! This win was NOTHING like Dallas last year!
Just saying that the Giants are not a good team
This isn’t like beating the patriots by two touchdowns. Giants are not a good offense, and they are missing their best players on defense. Yesterday started the official countdown until Coughlin gets fired.
Formerly KS and CS
by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Sep 12, 2011 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd say our offensive line sucked. Can't say that with Bradshaw, Jacobs, and Nicks
we don’t have a good offense. Problem was that your DL dominated and that didn’t allow us to set up any sort of rhythm.
Make no mistake about it though, I think y’all are for real.
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by BigBlueIntervention on Sep 12, 2011 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions
When the Giants scored that second touchdown
with big run after big run, I thought Washington was in trouble. I don’t know what adjustment Washington made after that, but it worked.
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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Sep 12, 2011 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Chris Neild was the adjustment.
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by BigBlueIntervention on Sep 12, 2011 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Less called runs on our sides was also an adjustment
Which the redskins took full advantage of
Self-praise is for losers. Be a winner. Stand for something. Always have class, and be humble.
-John Madden
When you are going against a high powered offense
like the Redskins, you know you have to throw a lot to try to keep up!
Formerly KS and CS
by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Sep 12, 2011 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
That's my favorite comment EVER!
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by HailToTheRedskins on Sep 12, 2011 11:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Eagles fan
And I called it. This years Giants are in trouble.
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by h2o_34_35_44 on Sep 13, 2011 4:27 AM EDT up reply actions
Great. Great Win. Drama Free
Radio Stations do not know how to respond.
106.7 last night kept mentioning Rex’s fumble. (They hate Rex and hate when the Redskins do well- IMO)
Andy Pollin on ESPN980 spent the 7am-8am timeslot talking about Dan Snyder.
Come on folks.
Get on the Bandwagon and get positive!
We won the game and won big.
106.7 The Fan
is actually a radio station owned by a hole bunch of emo/goth kids who want to complain about everything and be negative all the time. Example Chad Dukes a emo whiny 10 year old, I hope he reads all the bad things that people say about him
Biggest douche in the area.
I hate this punk. Him and his gay Affliction clothes wearing ass. He’s is negative about everything possible for ratings. In the past 2 years 106.7 has straight marketed to people who were mad at the team, but still fans. And if there is any optimism they will trash the team and keep nitpicks in the light, but if and when this team becomes competitive, their ratings will struggle if they keep the same attitude. I dont really like Snyder owning 980, but I like their ability to be optimistic/pessimistic about the same things I am. 106.7 just wants to trash everything that the Skins do and ACT like fans. Straight trash. Oh and once more, Chad Dukes is a fucking pansy.
Loud mouthed. Don't like it? Welcome to the freedom and liberty of the United States of America and never forget to go fuck yourself
by willismagillacutty on Sep 12, 2011 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
There was a time
2 years ago when the whole “pirate radio” vibe they had going following the sign-gate fiasco was appreciated. However, after this offseason and the demonstrable progress the franchise has shown, the anti-Redskins sentiment is definitely annoying and tired.
Also, Chad Dukes is the most obnoxious radio personality in the entire DMV region. Is there anyone that listens to the show because they’re a fan of his?
I think they’ve been preaching hope lately. Antonio Pierce came on and trashed the ’skins for not improving while praising the eagles. LaVarr and Chad hung up on him and redirected to the hope side of things.
Suspend Colin Campbell!
LaVar and Dukes wanted the Skins to not Trade McNabb when the lockout ended
39 Yards later passing from Donovoan I would like to know what they think now. They said the Redskins would be in a better Quarterback position.
Haha.
okay but just about every general analyst wanted the Skins to keep McNabb
Brian Mitchell (who also does Comcast) was highly critical. Everyone lives in the past and it was the same last year, when the 980 bunch proclaimed McNabb a franchise QB. McNabb hasn’t been a franchise QB in about 6 years yet people were falling all overthemselves to anoint him the savior.
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Cam Newton almost threw 400 yards more than McNabb yesterday
And Cam didn’t have ALLDAY in the backfield.
If you can prove to me that you didn’t think McNabb should have had a second year, didn’t deserve a second year then I’ll give you a pat on the back. Also, I remember them being glad that the situation was resolved, that they didn’t have a distraction in mcnabb anymore. They thought he was going to be cut before the season was even over. I think the big problem they had was what A) what the skins got for him and B) the problem they had was Shanny’s treatment of mcnabb devaluing his trade value.
Seems pretty obvious you don’t listen to the show or are confused by simple topics and words.
Suspend Colin Campbell!
39 yards
McNabb didn’t want a second year and neither did the team. Keeping McNabb was never an option.
Formerly KS and CS
by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Sep 12, 2011 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions
1 game
and we’ll never know how he would have played out this year for the Skins.
McNabb wasn’t happy here because of the crap Shanny pulled, essentially devaluing his trade value. It was unnecessary. I don’t argue we’re not better for not having McNabb as a distraction, but don’t forget, McNabb didn’t make himself a distraction, Shanny did that for him…it was almost like they pulled him in just to make an example of him. He did perform badly, but it took him several years to be a factor in Philly.
Grossman still isn’t a long term answer and McNabb never was either.
Suspend Colin Campbell!
This is just silly
The eagles gave up on him. Washington gave up on him. Another 39 yard passing game and Minnesota will move on as well. He’s done. It has nothing to do with any mistreatment by Shanahan. He was done before he ever arrived in Washington.
Formerly KS and CS
by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Sep 12, 2011 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions
only mistake with McNabb
was trading for him. He was done long before he got here.
I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy.
Glad the Vikes didn't learn from our mistakes... and traded for him.
He threw for 39yds… 39 freakin yards!
what is silly
is you having an argument with yourself. I addressed your argument and presented more. Rather than address mine you make up something else.
Eagles did give up on him. Washington did more than give up on him, we buried him. We made him look like a piece of slime that you scrape off your shoe. We spat on him. When you trade a second and third round draft picks for a guy you need to get your money’s worth. That didn’t happen. We flushed those picks down the toilet. Don’t forget: he didn’t come here, we brought him here. It’s like inviting a friend to his house, handing him 40 million dollars and your car, cutting his feet off and then making him watch as you sleep with his sister.
what did we get for him? a terrible season in an offense he shouldn’t have been running and an improvised punching bag for the shannahans followed by some very late round draft picks. It’s like buying a BMW new, driving it off the lot, taking a crap in the back seat and then trying to sell it back to the dealership the next day.
The only thing we agree on is that he shouldn’t have come here. I was wary on the trade from the get go, but kind of excited for the possibilities.
Suspend Colin Campbell!
Eagles fan here
My understanding of the entire situation was that, McNabb wasn’t going to be the long term answer for the skins at the QB position. He was a stop gap until MS could get a young guy in and, up to speed on how to be an NFL QB.
Lets not forget that the Skins D last yer was worse than bad. McNabb may not have been the guy he was in Philly but, he was still on pace to throw for 4k yards. Vick credits McNabb for teaching him how to be an NFL QB.
In my humble opinion the reason that McNabb is not in DC right now is the fact that he signed that monstrous deal and, at this point in his career he’s not that much better than sexy rexy.
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by h2o_34_35_44 on Sep 13, 2011 4:38 AM EDT up reply actions
Yes, my understanding too.
Also agree, he had a monster year for yards that was cancelled out by Gano missing field goals, lack of playmakers to get into the end-zone and interceptions. Most of the other people here tend to ignore his potential career year in yards thrown. A few more made field goals and defensive stops and we could have been 8-8 or 9-6.
I think you’re on the right page, mostly. Based on the timing of that deal and the bizarre structure: it was right after the lions game where they pulled him for rex to do the 2-minute offense and the deal was set to be backloaded and he could be cut without penalty after the first year of the deal. They wanted to placate him for the rest of the season trying to make him feel secure while still protecting their interests. It was pretty transparent though.
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Those were empty yards and meant nothing to Skins
this isn’t fantasy football, we don’t get points for McNabb picking up 30-50 extra yards a game throwing against prevent defenses. McNabb’s completion % which was like bottom 5 in the league shows just how valuable those yards were
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by Steve Shoup on Sep 13, 2011 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions
You just have to be "right" don't you?
you’re wrong here. McNabb was awful in short yardage and middle distance. The completion percentage shows that every time he completed a pass it was for big yards, yards that didn’t translate into points. He had no endzone targets and Gano missed his kicks. Most of our games would have been won if Gano made a few of his misses or if we had a big target for the endzone.
Suspend Colin Campbell!
nope I just like setting the record straight
And most of our games would have been won if McNabb could feel pressure, run a two minute drill and you know complete passes. McNabb’s yards were meaningless, and his completion percentage, rating, TD/INT rating, 1st down percentage etc. meant a lot more to our success rate. Yards without context and scoring are meaningless.
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that doesn't make any sense to resign him to 'get our money's worth'
We paid McNabb about $16.5 million last year and didn’t really ‘get our money’s worth’. Even if McNabb agreed to his same restructured deal with us (b/c he was poised to earn $12 million) he would make $7.25 million this season, or $6.1 million more than Rex Grossman. McNabb was a sunk cost you don’t keep throwing good money after him just to hope that he returns to form from 6-7 years ago. You said it ourself he didn’t fit into this offense, so why try?
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by Steve Shoup on Sep 13, 2011 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions
it speaks more to the coaching staff that they were trying to force a square peg into a round hole. I don’t disagree that the McNabb fiasco doesn’t make sense. My point was that if you’re throwing away high draft picks you need to get your money’s worth. You never addressed the wasted draft picks in the rebuttal and just pulled a quote out of context.
Don’t change my argument or pretend like I’m saying something I’m not. Address the point.
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Ending
I think we’re getting away from my initial argument…
This was one game. You don’t win the superbowl in the first game of the regular season. We’ve seen seasons where we won the first game and we didn’t do too well after that. Additionally we’ve seen teams do awful in their first game, get it together and have a great season. QBs have bad games and QBs have good games.
I don’t think McNabb has had a game as bad as he did last week in his career and yet his team still nearly won.
My main point: there’s no use trying to say that “we won” with Rex over McNabb after one game. currently we have a tally in the Rex column and nothing in the McNabb column if you really want to keep that score, but the season is far from over, if I were Rex I wouldn’t book my hotel room in Honolulu yet.
Suspend Colin Campbell!
we won by simply getting rid of McNabb
He doesn’t fit, we got some value, saved a ton of money and got a major distraction off the team.
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I addressed the point
McNabb doesn’t fit this system, period. You are right they tired to make him do something he couldn’t do, but that is the central point, McNabb can’t succeed in this offense, so why bring him back?? You aren’t going to dumb down an offense for a 33 year old who won’t get any better, and who makes a ton of money.
They already gave up the draft picks, it is a sunk cost. You had the chance to get out of a HORRIBLE contract so you do it.
Your entire point was we don’t know what McNabb would do this year? and we wasted the draft picks, aka didn’t get our money’s worth.
We never were going to get that value, so why keep wasting money on him?? That extra $6 million bought us Cofield, and the $11 million difference between what McNabb was scheduled to make and Grossman, Got us Cofield and Bowen, plus a little extra left over. I fail to see what McNabb could have done in an offense that he doesn’t fit in to replace the value of 3+ players.
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Here's a reason for you:
Donovan threw more INTs than TDs. His only multi-TD games came against Philadelphia when we got stomped and against Houston, whose defense was among the worst in the league. He threw no TDs against Dallas and our O only scored 7 points against the Giants. With McNabb, the offense scored less than 15 points per game, and the team as a whole scored less than 17 points/game, and we were 5-8 with Donovan leading the offense.
Rex came in for 3 games, and 2 of them went for 300 yards passing. He had a 7:4 TD:INT ratio. With Rex at the helm, the offense scored over 22 points a game. He threw several TDs against Dallas, and 2 TDs against the Giants. If Moss hadn’t dropped that last pass against the Cowboys, the Skins would have been 2-1 for those 3 games.
And that’s why Donovan didn’t deserve a second year.
by TheDeepBall on Sep 12, 2011 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yes McNabb wasn’t great. He wasn’t the only one.
Rex threw for a lot but we still lost those games.
We had a chance in the detroit game but they pulled McNabb and Rexy put the ball on the ground his first play. How many fumbles did rex have in those 3 games?
of McNabb rex and beck, none of them are the answer.
Suspend Colin Campbell!
by snowburnt on Sep 12, 2011 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Eagles fan
I wish I could rec this comment 100×. The long term answer for the skins (again in my humble opinion) is not on the roster. Rex is a stop gap & Beck is a never will be.
Something that I heard in a draft show talking about QBs that still rings true in my head is “If you don’t love the guy don’t take him.” And, I’ll be damned if Shanahan loves any QB on his roster IF he did there would not have been an open competition in TC / PS.
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by h2o_34_35_44 on Sep 13, 2011 4:42 AM EDT up reply actions
Rexy put the ball on the ground b/c the offensive line collapsed
it could have easily happened to McNabb as well.
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by Steve Shoup on Sep 13, 2011 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions
But it didn't
McNabbs ints showed up on that stat line while Rex’s fumbles didn’t. It’s cherry picking stats and it’s disingenuous. I’d argue a fumble lost by the quarterback is much more dangerous than an interception because it immediately gives the other team the ball behind the original line of scrimmage.
Why are you so quick to forgive Rex and transfer blame for his foibles and yet so willing to throw McNabb under the bus?
Suspend Colin Campbell!
You realize McNabb fumbled 10 times last year right?
Yes he played more and it is a better percentage than Grossman, but he wasn’t like Peyton Manning or Tom Brady. And Yes McNabb or the Skins recovered more of those, but that is luck, considering the year before McNabb lost nearly all of his 10 fumbles.
When you combined the picks and fumbles McNabb doesn’t look too hot.
I’m under no illusion that Grossman is going to be some great QB, and I know his completion % will probably be below average, and he’ll have his fair share of turnovers, but the simple difference is he’s Rex Grossman and he does that, while McNabb is supposed to be this great QB. We traded for him and paid him like one, yet he plays on roughly the same level as Sexy Rexy. I’ll take the guy who costs about 1/10 for the same production any day.
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McNabb shouldn't have even had the first year, I thought at the time of the trade it was a horrible deal for the Skins
McNabb devalued himself, if he could have run an effective 2 min drill and know the playbook ’Shanny’s treatment’ wouldn’t have come into play.
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I’m just hearing a lot of revisionist history. It would’ve been nice to have found out if he could have run the 2 minute drill…he got pulled whenever he had the opportunity.
Suspend Colin Campbell!
not really, in both the Texans and Colts game McNabb wasted time in trying to run a 2 or 3 minute drill
McNabb just obviously didn’t know the playbook and would waste so much time in between plays.
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by Steve Shoup on Sep 13, 2011 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions
Revisionist?
Could it be that the Shanahans saw that he couldn’t do it IN PRACTICE??! Isn’t it a possibility that Shanahan WAS trying to sugarcoat McNabbs laziness and inability to run the offense by saying he was out of shape or not experienced enough in it yet. I don’t have behind the scenes knowledge, but Rex looks like he ran / runs / this offense more efficiently than McNabb. More importantly it is evident that he KNOWS it. I think if McNabb was more valuable then Allen would have gotten more for him. This answers both your original points.
The guy has been knocked for being lazy and a product of the system in Philthy – Shanahan didn’t do that, that’s his rap.
No one is arguing that Rex is “the answer” at QB, whatever that means. They are saying he is a better stopgap than McNabb.
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Most of the name calling was unnecessary, but I agree with your insights.
The LaVarr and Dukes show is painful to listen to at times: LaVarr spends 20 minutes asking a single question…I’m surprised when the person their interviewing actually gives him an answer, it seems like he changes the point about 3 times every time.
LaVarr may have played at a very high level for the skins but he does not come off as an intelligent person. It wouldn’t be as bad if he wasn’t trying to hard to act smart—Bryan Westbrook is very knowledgeable but doesn’t misuse words and misquote the bible.
Dukes…I hate the way he talks. He says “Dur-rink” rather than “drink”. He uses a $5 word over and over for weeks at a time. I think I counted him use the word “umbridge” 30 times in one show.
For a show called: “The sports Junkies” they show a remarkable lack of knowledge or concern for any sport except for golf. They’d rather chat for 4 hours about homophobic jokes and their pay checks. I don’t know how they have such a following.
Suspend Colin Campbell!
One more thing
If I hear one more radio show guy say that 1st amendment rights (or freedom of speech) protect players posting on twitter I’m gonna…do something awful.
Bill of rights only protects you from government oppression. There’s nothing in the constitution preventing teams from fining and cutting players who don’t know how to shut up. That’s right! Your company can fire you for saying things to the media and the first amendment can do nothing to protect you.
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Do yourself a favor
get sirius and listen to NFL radio. Local call in shows are just terrible. I live in Colorado and I once heard a guy call in after the fired McDaniels and ask if Denver might hire him to be the offensive coordinator.
Formerly KS and CS
by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Sep 12, 2011 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm not a big fan of him either
but he does mention Hogs Haven on the show a lot. So, at least he likes this site and gets it out there.
Chad Dukes just said on 106.7 that he doesn't think the QB Controversy is Over
I guess he needs Rex to throw for 500 yards and 7 Touchdowns against Arizona.
SUPER NEGATIVE. TYPICAL.
At least 422
or he’s worse than a rookie in his first start!
Formerly KS and CS
by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Sep 12, 2011 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s a record book start and, he should be commended for it. But, Rex is just as likely to throw for 422 and 4 TD as he is to throw 150 with 4 picks.
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by h2o_34_35_44 on Sep 13, 2011 4:29 AM EDT up reply actions
Go back and read the game day thread.
The entire thread was about ready to throw Grossman off the nearest cliff for the first 20 minutes of the game.
Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital. -Aaron Levenstein
Watching on TV
it felt like the crowd was thisclose to booing him in the first quarter.
Formerly KS and CS
by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Sep 12, 2011 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions
No argument.
I’m just pointing out that it took about ten minutes of game time to go from torches and pitchforks to farting rainbows in his direction. :)
We really are nuts.
Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital. -Aaron Levenstein
He's a piece of Burke trash.
Loud mouthed. Don't like it? Welcome to the freedom and liberty of the United States of America and never forget to go fuck yourself
by willismagillacutty on Sep 12, 2011 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions
It's not over until he's had a solid season
a single game means nothing. he won one game and is historically inconsistent. win another in similar fashion, he’ll get more credit. win 50% of the games, I’m content. Win 75% of the games, the controversy will be over.
Suspend Colin Campbell!
a lot of people are saying that b/c of how much Shanny touted Beck
If Grossman starts to struggle or the Skins do, I wouldn’t be shocked if Shanny goes with Beck. I’m not saying it is what I’d do, but I can see him making the switch.
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Beck will almost certainly play at some point
Grossman got hit a lot last night. He’s not the most durable dude.
Formerly KS and CS
by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Sep 12, 2011 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions
exactly, another reason why Beck could see the field.
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not good...they would have to be pretty high for me to take that bet
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I know...
I am thinking of taking the Rexy starting 16 game-side though, so I am curious what odds out there somebody would be willing to give me on that bet.
They'd have to be pretty low
10% maybe that he starts all 16. Work in progress line, he’s got an injury history, he’s got an effectiveness history, and the coach is very much intrigued by Beck. If they get knocked out of the playoff hunt, they’ll start Beck to see what he can do.
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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Sep 12, 2011 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions
He looks like a fat lesbian.
"That's what she said!"
by iH8dallas on Sep 12, 2011 1:34 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
ok....he looks like a fat ugly lesbian....
in fact he looks a bit like Rosie O’Donnell
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it was Lavar who kept bringing up the fumble
so really what do you expect??
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by Steve Shoup on Sep 12, 2011 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Watching the post game show
(today of course, cuz i was in no condition to do it yesterday), all I kept thinking was humble. Obviously D Hall and Davis are extremely confident, but that’s not what I’m talking about. I’m talking about Tim Hightower putting the WIN in front of anything else,, and not making it about himself like his predecessor, Clinton Portis. Im talking about Cofield talking about THE GAME, and not himself, like HIS predecessor Fat Albert.
Also, I LOVED the way Comcast emphasized all the local ties. First with Shawn Springs behind the desk, then with Josh Wilson, to Tim Hightower. I am really like this team.
by CJHutch on Sep 12, 2011 10:58 AM EDT reply actions 2 recs
I predicted the redskins
the Redskins would go undefeated this year and so far I am right. I was very impressed with the 2nd half play of Washingtons defense which beat the Giants offense 7-0. Bradshaw and Jacobs , who Big Blue posters were generally agreed would run right over Washington, were a none factor. The Redskins Oline is definitely a work in progress .
by hambonejackson on Sep 12, 2011 10:59 AM EDT reply actions
The Skins' front seven gradually managed to slow down the Giants' running game by the end of the 2nd quarter. The
momentum started switching to the Skins especially after Kerrigan’s tip, interception, and touchdown. Kerrigan is also picking up his play on the opponents running game. The Giants may have been picking on his inexperience, but Kerrigan showed his grit.
He seemed to be in on the play were it was 4th and one for the Giants. That was a good stop for the Skins and change of possession happened. Then the Skins blocked a Giants field goal attempt to reverse the situation from Grossman’s fumble.
by Jefferson1935 on Sep 12, 2011 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions
+1... everyone says the Giants were bad because of injuries... but... their RBs were fine
What’s the RB’s excuse? Simply put… Redskins stopped their running game!
by 1x1an on Sep 12, 2011 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
WHERE!?!?!
Are all the Davis haters now… Where are the guys that down his blocking when compared to Cooley and say he isn’t a talent. That guy is going to come up big for us this year. Although we didn’t trade Cooley like I would hope, I think our 2 TE sets will be a big help as the line learns to hold better.
by Shannafan on Sep 12, 2011 11:10 AM EDT reply actions 3 recs
Cooley didn't look Crisp. Do not need him until he is 100%
Then we can play Fred Davis as a Wide out. And Cooley can go back and do what he do’s.
He can't make cuts
on a gimpy knee, most likely. Agree, let him heal.
What contemptible scoundrel has stolen the cork to my lunch? -W. Clement Stone
Davis is a great talent as a reciever
Both he and Cooley had bad days blocking.
"By far the worst performers on the (Redskins) are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
dude no one said he isn't a talent and his blocking is still an issue
the o-line wasn’t the only reason Hightower averaged just 2.9 yards a carry.
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by Steve Shoup on Sep 12, 2011 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Whatever the reason
for the lack of the running game yesterday, it will have to improve if the team is to progress.
I'm not the Devil's Advocate but I consiider him a close friend
Can we file a petition to not allow Joe Buck to call anymore Skin games?
The little prick was pure torture.
"If a man speaks and there is no woman around to hear him, is he still wrong???"
by ThuGodfather on Sep 12, 2011 11:14 AM EDT reply actions 2 recs
I think he's fine.
Which says something about how terrible most other PxP guys are
"By far the worst performers on the (Redskins) are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
It doesn't get any worse than Joe Buck
The guy has no talent and shows extreme bias against division opponents – even when his precious cowpukes aren’t playing. The guy sucks and has no business being in front of a camera – plain and simple.
"If a man speaks and there is no woman around to hear him, is he still wrong???"
by ThuGodfather on Sep 12, 2011 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
haha ok dude.
sorry, pretty much all of the rest of Fox’s PxP men are worse
"By far the worst performers on the (Redskins) are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
agreed who out there is really better?
and yeah he’s a Cowboy but Aikman is one of the best in the booth. I’d take him over most the guys out there
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by Steve Shoup on Sep 12, 2011 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I agree Aikman actually sounds unbiased and
he is rather interesting to listen to I find!
GUS JOHNSON!
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Why does everyone have a problem with Gus??
I think its refreshing to hear a PxP where the announcer actually enjoys the plays that he sees on the field. I liked hearing his calls when i watch the NFL RedZone touchdowns
by KonartistNupe on Sep 12, 2011 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions
I like him. I thought lots of people did
"By far the worst performers on the (Redskins) are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
By the way Parks...
Did you hear Marv Albert calling the Chiefs-Bills game? If so, what did you think about his performance? It didn’t feel like a football game to me when he was talking, Thats just me though.
by KonartistNupe on Sep 12, 2011 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions
I like Gus Johnson...
Marv has always done Sunday Night Football on the radio, so I’ve heard him plenty before. Nothing special, haha.
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I'd rather have Tim Ryan than Aikman
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does he do TV work?
Because if we are just using anyone my choice would want Bill Raftery, I don’t care if he knows FB, he’s the best to listen to, and I think he should do every sport. You want to increase soccer’s viewership, have Bill Raftery call the games.
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He works for Fox
and should eventually be the #1 guy.
Formerly KS and CS
by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Sep 12, 2011 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions
He did the Bucs-Lions game yesterday.
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Fight back against Buck!
Let the network know just how bad he sucks:
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by ThuGodfather on Sep 12, 2011 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions
rather have him then troy any day...
u know danm well he seen that hold on orakipo. then when the no call on us he was that was clearly holding.. he also trys to jinx the skins as much as he can lol. its gonna be hell for him to do our games on fox to watch us have a winning season. maybe we wil get lucky and he will quit:)
by munson21502 on Sep 12, 2011 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed - Buck is terrible.
I actually don’t mind Aikman (and I hated him when he played) and think he’s pretty fair.
Buck is biased and a terribly dull commentator. Get rid.
StephenBeagrie on Twitter and Facebook.
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by Stephen Beagrie on Sep 12, 2011 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions
he was ridiculous. right out of the gates I thought he was wearing a giants’ jersey. Aikman was pretty smarmy too until the kerrigan Int.
normally I don’t think they’re that bad, I’ve heard Aikman be pretty pro DC even playing the cowboys, but yesterday was awful.
Suspend Colin Campbell!
look i was at the game so i haven't watched it yet
but what did you expect?? The Giants have dominated the series, won as many games last year as we did in the last two, and have a far more proven team (even with the injuries). No national analyst is going to say that the Skins are going to win that game, until they prove it. And up until that INT it was in doubt.
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I expect unbiased coverage. I don’t expect him to say that either team will win the game. I expect him not to laugh when the redskins do something. I expect him not to derisively question the team’s consistency “Lets see if they can keep that up”. I expect them not to bury the team after the first points are scored against them. I expect him not to call for penalties to either team that didn’t happen. I expect Buck to not give commentary, I expect him to tell us what’s happening.
Aikman has been good to us over the years, considering and he’s provided a lot of insight. Last night he got swept up in Buck’s crap and started shoveling on the Skins as well.
I don’t care if you think one team will win, cover the game, not the fans
Suspend Colin Campbell!
by snowburnt on Sep 12, 2011 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Or just... anything.... ever...
He shouldn’t ever call anything.
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Hail to the Redskins!!
I give Gano a pass on that miss for now, although it would have been nice to score 30+ points. I take pleasure in the fact that we finished drives with TDs 3 times.
I hope Gano will be solid this year, because we will find ourselves in games decided by 3 points or less. Just glad this was not one of those!
HAIL TO THE REDSKINS!
fuck Gano
couldn’t believe he missed his first kick of the season.
39 yarder.
He was virtually the only negative
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by smutsboy1 on Sep 12, 2011 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah..
I’m going to have to agree, I thought he had put it behind him, but he clearly chokes under pressure. I’ll be cringing for every kick, even extra points.
The Beat Box aka skins secondary.
Jamaal Brown...epic fail
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by Steve Shoup on Sep 12, 2011 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions
anyone else not like having the big board showing a live feed of him kicking while he was kicking?
I thought that must have been distracting for gano. you look up at the uprights just to see yourself from behind looking up at the uprights on the big screen… can we only put that up when opponents are kicking?
For a loooong time that FG miss was looking to be crucial.
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It seems like they haven't had a good kicker
since the eagles dislocated Jess Atkinson’s ankle.
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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Sep 12, 2011 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions
I Know it's off TOPIC BUT
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Romo
To choke; the act of choking; the definition of un-clutch.
Dude, you pulled a ROMO, way to F it up for us
He just pulled a ROMO
by Kia_Area51 on Sep 12, 2011
tags: choke, gag, botch, mess up, screw up
by Kia.Area51 on Sep 12, 2011 11:28 AM EDT reply actions 9 recs
i'm hopin someone will toss some free tix to me
for the SKINS game in toronto (i’m in law school in michigan for another 1.5 yrs haha)
By any chance
were you at the Big House Saturday night? That must have been awesome!
What contemptible scoundrel has stolen the cork to my lunch? -W. Clement Stone
Cowboys will never go very far with Romo. He will make 2 great plays and 4 bad ones. In a lot of ways he is a more mobile Rex Grossman. They both make great plays then will make those two crucial plays that contribute to losing the game
by gregjohnson1229 on Sep 12, 2011 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Went to the bathroom... made the biggest Romo I've ever made!
It measured at least 12 Courics.
I’m sending it to Zurich’s European Faecal Standards and Measurements Institute.
I ate P.F. Chang’s all week!
So fucking tired of aikman/buck doing skins games.
by Skin Patrol on Sep 12, 2011 11:51 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Let 'em know!
http://msn.foxsports.com/feedback
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by ThuGodfather on Sep 12, 2011 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions
Come on now
You have to love the unrequitted love Buck so obviously feels for Aikman. I don’t think I am ever more uncomfortable watching football than when Buck is losing himself in Aikman’s eyes.
by l.pensinger on Sep 13, 2011 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions
Ha ha. I knew this was coming...
I was maybe the biggest Davis " hater". Not that i actually hate the guy, but I have never been happy with him. Of course, it started because I wanted DeSean Jackson with one of those picks. (Ray Rice wouldn’t have been bad either but, to be fair, I was also hoping for Calais Campbell) I also thought, and still do, that that was a wasted pick because am extra tight end is a luxury, and we had actual NEEDS to fill.
Now, all that said, I so realize that being drafted here wasn’t exactly Davis’ fault. What was his fault though was his obvious lack of preparation. I never doubted he had the talent. But, as I’ve said many times over around here, there are plenty of guys who come through this
league with talent, and leave with nothing to show for it. Cooley, on the other hand, will probably tell you himself that he is no the most athletic guy around. Yet he continues to be
one of the top tight ends because of his preparation. Hopefully that is starting to rub off on
Davis. But, to further back up my point, all you had to do was listen to Davis on the post
game show. They asked him what he was doing this year to take that “next step”, and one
of the things he mentioned was “STARTING to watch film”. Need I say more on that?
Now, I want to make one thing clear. There is no bigger Redskins fan than me on this site, or anywhere. I will go to my grave with that. But that won’t keep me from being critical of guys who I FEEL deserve it, because they COULD BE better. Along with Davis, I was also extremely critical of Rex. And I will continue to be critical of both until they PROVE themselves over the course of a season. But, in the meantime, i also reserve the right to CHEER LIKE HELL for anything they do that helps my team win. And, again, i make no apologies.
Don’t
Davis prepping is obviously due to peer pressure
brought by all the new “character” guys who want to lead/work hard/win. Davis slid along on talent without peer pressure the past few years. At least he has buy-in now and we should enjoy it.
What contemptible scoundrel has stolen the cork to my lunch? -W. Clement Stone
Agree to dsiagree
There is no bigger fan then me, but there is no solving this dispute.
by CuseSkinsfan1 on Sep 12, 2011 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Pay attention to wording
I said, just as you did
no bigger
Which means we can be equal. My ego isn’t THAT BIG, that I won’t share the throne. With many.
What makes it even sweeter is that the Cowgirls and Tony No Show lost 5 hours later.
by gregjohnson1229 on Sep 12, 2011 12:17 PM EDT reply actions
A perfect weekend
Michigan > Notre Dame
Skins > Giants
Anyone > Cowgirls w/Romo doing the Chokeman thing.
Well… an egrets loss would have been better.
What contemptible scoundrel has stolen the cork to my lunch? -W. Clement Stone
graduated some time ago
Watched game on my big screen HD TV. Could not believe what I was seeing and hearing. The noise with the new luxury boxes and jumbotron focusing it back into the bowl must have been awesome. Those pom pom things and the new “chant” or whatever they were doing was unbelievable. Never seen anything like it – or the game for that matter; although the previous 2 yrs were great wins over ND. This beat all.
What contemptible scoundrel has stolen the cork to my lunch? -W. Clement Stone
yes that was sweet indeed.....
I will admit I felt a little sick when they came out and just shredded the Jets D on that opening drive, they just looked really sharp, fortunately that did not last.
In other good news, that was a classic case of Dallas losing more than the Jets winning. I know it’s only week 1, but the Jets look like they might just be beginning to come apart at the seams. This does not surprise me as I think that are a bit reckless as an organization (I know, no big news flash there) and I don’t believe you can maintain success for long in todays NFL. The players are just too self centered these days. It’s a long way to go before we play them, but I don’t think I am as concerned about that game as I was yesterday morning.
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So mad I fell asleep on the couch...
Too many Sam Adams sampler beers….
"My cat's breath smells like cat food."
I was impressed with the offensive line protection for Rex Grossman. However, in the second half Hightower had no running lanes. Also i don’t know how much of the passing game was really the skins dominating or was it more of the Giants depleted secondary and pass rush.
The defense looks really fast this year. Everyone is generally staying in their gaps. Two big passing plays makes it look like the Giants had anything going. On those two pass plays Doughty was the issue. He did make some nice tackles in run defense. He is too slow to play in coverage though IMO. I would like to see Gomes at least get some snaps if not start until whenever Landry gets back.
If Fred Davis can keep putting up 70-100 yard receiving games the Skins have a chance to be a pretty potent offense. When Rex is not turning the ball over all the time he is an above average quarterback.
by gregjohnson1229 on Sep 12, 2011 12:23 PM EDT reply actions
our protection was horrible, it just didn't amount to double digit sacks, b/c Grossman showed very impressive awareness
I think Jamaal Brown was in our backfield more than Tim Hightower yesterday
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by Steve Shoup on Sep 12, 2011 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Jeez Steve!
Yeah, they got beat from time to time, but there were also a ton of plays where Rex had all day to throw. I swear you could win the Powerball Lottery and then complain that they take taxes out.
"That's what she said!"
by iH8dallas on Sep 12, 2011 1:29 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
what plays??
Brown was AWFUL, and there is no way around that
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I have to agree with O...
Aside from Reed Doughty, the OL played the worst of all the players. This was against a DL with backups in there. We could not open any holes to run through and, the play where Jason Pierre-Paul sacked/ff Grossman, he looked like he did not try at all. SHAMEFUL!!! They need to step up and play better for us to be respected.
I don't see the second year improvement with SB.
by Jefferson1935 on Sep 12, 2011 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions
He looked alright first half and didn't seem to have too much trouble on JPP
Then he got beat on one early in the second where his knee buckled and he didn’t look the same after that.
Hopefully it’s just a sprain but it clearly was affecting him in the second half.
yeah..i'm surprised a number of people talked about the offensive line playing okay
but I thought it was horrendous. The Redskins need to be checking that waiver wire for any O-line help, b/c right now that line is going to get Grossman killed back there.
While Trent wiffed a couple of times, Brown was the one that worried me, that Tollefson kept bull rushing him back into the backfield. What happens when he faces actual starting caliber d-linemen, much less stars? At least Trent was struggling with JPP, not a great sign I’ll grant you and there are tougher matchups out there, but at least JPP can play in this league and would start for multiple teams.
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I don't know if its from conditioning
but I felt like we took soooo many deep shots….however with years of campbell and brunell we took none….am I exaggerating?
The difference from then and now...
People wanna make the excuse that the Giants defense was depleted… The difference now is that we took advantage of it.. We didn’t play DOWN to their defensive personnel. We saw the Redskins take advantage of mismatches. We BEAT a team we should have beaten. That’s new for us Redskins fans..
I tell you what, this team better stay healthy though because depth is still in question. Our offensive line will continue to be tweaked in the next offseason.
by Dammit Cerrato... on Sep 12, 2011 12:30 PM EDT reply actions
I tell ya im starting to feel a little better about the NT pos.
Neild looked pretty good when he was in
I think the injury thing is being blown a bit out of proportion.....
was it a factor? of course it was. They had a lot of injuries to the secondary, but only one was going to be a starter. Now take a look at our secondary. Although Wilson and Yoshi both played, it was due to injuries that they have had almost no playing time together leading up to this game, even in practice. They have had no time to learn each others tendencies, which I believe is major when running Hazmat’s D.
I honestly don’t think the drop off between jack-ass and Pierre-Paul is that great. I do really like Carriker, but Jenkins has looked like a beast out there and I think that injury probably equals us out there as well.
You might have noticed I didn’t mention Landry when talking about the secondary, I didn’t think I needed to when making that comparison…..which brings me Justin Tuck. Doughty played acceptably for a back up but gave up some big plays at inopportune times. While watching the game I thought Doughty played terribly, but some of the feedback here this morning has softened that feeling a bit, I suppose. The Giants D-line pressured the QB well and did a good job against the run, they are a well coached group. I think we missed Landry much more than they missed Tuck.
Which brings me to their MLB (Goff?) that’s the big one, and I think it really hurt them. Davis doesn’t have that kind of day if Goff is in there, but I don’t think that equals a 14 point swing in the game…..especially against a “basement dweller” like us.
HTTR
"Please don't dominate the rap, Jack, if you got nothin' new to say."-Robert Hunter
honestly I disagree here
6 of their projected defensive starters to start the season were out. Yes a couple of these injuries they have known about for weeks and their backups have been practicing more, But the same is said of Doughty. He’s practiced with the starters all training camp and preseason b/c Landry hasn’t been there, that didn’t make him any better. Barnes got a ton of reps also with Wilson banged up, and Buchanon suspended, yet that didn’t ensure he’d be a great nickel corner.
Yes the Giants are deeper, but instead of Jason Pierre Paul coming in fresh and just on passing downs, he had to play all game. If they had Tuck and Osi on that line as well it could have been a lot worse.
Maybe the Skins would have still won the game, but it sure wouldn’t have been as comfortable if the Giants were at full strength. And yes I think their injuries were more than just Landry and Jenkins (though both injuries hurt us)
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You're point is well noted
And has a lot of validity. The problem is, you’re comparing Reed Doughty to ANYONE ELSE in the league. Doughty is a good special team player, but short of going with 13 guys on defense, he has no business being on the field on downs.
yeah but Dave Tollefson does?
He’s the guy who replaced Tuck, yet still DOMINATED Jamaal Brown. I mean we could have used Kareem Moore, Chris Horton etc. and had even worse performances than Doughty. Again I’m not going to say the Giants injuries didn’t hurt them just b/c they are smart and have very good depth.
If the guys we saw were able to rotate in for their prime time starters that defense would be insane.
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I have never watched Tolefson before
But I stand by my assertion that Doughty is very likely one of the worst players in the league. He’s a “coach’s guy”, that’s why he’s on this team. It’s not because of talent.
Doughty isn't that bad. He's not a starter, but for a spot start or two he is capable
Overall his run support was good (though he blew the TD run), and his pass coverage can be adequate. Doughty is far better than Horton/Moore.
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it is possible he is slower than adam archuletta
by gregjohnson1229 on Sep 12, 2011 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Obviously I agree here haha.
Our defense is predicated on the pass rush, and that often times makes up for the mistakes of our secondary and LBs.
We did get good pressure on you guys with Tollefson and JPP, but the problem was the pressure was inconsistent. That allowed Rex to get into a rhythm and make those nasty plays down the field.
That isn’t a huge excuse though, because Webster, Ross, Phillips, and Rolle (our starting secondary) were ALL 1st round picks and were expected to step up. They didn’t, and Rex and your receivers picked them apart.
Meanwhile, you guys got consistent pressure on Eli and didn’t allow him to settle in and I think that had the biggest impact on the game.
Team Greg Jones
Team Jerry Reese
by BigBlueIntervention on Sep 12, 2011 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions
no thanks.
We’ve learned our lesson with CC Brown
Team Greg Jones
Team Jerry Reese
by BigBlueIntervention on Sep 12, 2011 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions
The point IS
with their starting lineup not in full swing, we as a team were able to exploit some of that. People who say “Yea well, what would it have been like had all their starters been in” should accept that that isn’t always going to be the case. We beat Tennessee last season after how many offensive lineman went down. Teams play hurt, the Giants did coming in and we did what we could to take advantage.
To me what’s different is that we beat a team that, because of those injuries, we had an advantage over on the field and we made that a reality. We didn’t use to do that, we’re use to playing down to our opponents, and playing up to them. Yesterday we won a game that we on paper “should have won”.
It’s the same as making season predictions, you can’t, you have to look week-to-week and play the games with what and who you have. The reason why video games can’t account for the real game is because of that human factor.
by Dammit Cerrato... on Sep 12, 2011 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions
The bottom line is
It’s the NFL. Players get hurt all the time, its part of the game. We just make more of it because we never have the depth to be competitive after injuries. The good teams are built to be competitive even after a few players get hurt. Case in point, the Green Bay Packers. Of course, if that player is Peyton Manning, all this goes out the window.
Depth is the key
to being consistently competitive.
Formerly KS and CS
by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Sep 12, 2011 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Thank You! haha
But sadly the importance of depth is undervalued by fans. Everyone wants the superstar but this offseason, we saw our staff go after guys who could start, rotate, and provide depth and it’s shown (other than Oline)
I think the Giants have great depth on their team, especially on defense. So hurt or not, I’m not making excuses. We beat a team that is good, has been good, and has had our number for 5 years now. Plain and simple.
by Dammit Cerrato... on Sep 12, 2011 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions
The Packers were the extreme example in the 2010 season and their problems have been pointed out
frequently by the media speaking heads.
by Jefferson1935 on Sep 12, 2011 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Don't forget
we played without Landry. We could be even more dominating.
What contemptible scoundrel has stolen the cork to my lunch? -W. Clement Stone
From Peter King re P Manning neck
• Tony Dungy had an excellent observation on our Saturday night NFL special on NBC. He said Manning’s neck history dates to Oct. 22, 2006, when his neck got wrenched and his helmet ripped off on a hit by two Washington defenders. We showed the highlight on our Saturday show, and Manning, after being hit and crumbling to the ground awkwardly, lay there for a second, and when he rose, he stretched his neck and shook his right arm for a second, as if trying to get the feeling back in it.
“Then we sort of forgot about it at halftime, and Peyton seemed fine,” said Dungy. "He lit it up in the second half. He was on fire [throwing for 244 yards and three touchdowns]. But that’s the year we started cutting back on his throws at practice. I’m not putting two plus two together. I just figure he’s getting older and he needs some time off, he’s made enough throws. But now, as I look back on it, there’s no doubt in my mind that this was the start of his neck problems.’’
Go Skins! We always bring the wood!
HTTR!
I am happy that
Devil Thomas FINALLY helped us win a game. His dumbass return attempt on a high kick from 4 yards deep that only got him to the twenty made it less ground for Kerrigan to cover on his TD.
So, for those keeping track, Ryan Kerrigan in his FIRST year, has only 2 less receiving touchdowns (3 less overall) than Devin “Call me Iman” Thomas, has in his FOURTH year.
Am I the only one who takes joy from this?
Good win for y'all. Outplayed us on offense and defense.
Fred Davis is a beast and a half.
Team Greg Jones
Team Jerry Reese
by BigBlueIntervention on Sep 12, 2011 1:09 PM EDT reply actions
Thanks for the credit
It’s early, WAY early, but it’s about time we entered back into the discussion in the division.
Agreed. Your defense is legit, it abused our OL. And it will continue to abuse OLs.
The pass rushers we have in our division are insane.
Tuck, Osi, y’all saw what JPP could do, Cole, Babin, Ware, Orakpo, and from what I saw obviously…Kerrigan as well.
Insane. Wouldn’t be surprised if all 4 NFC East teams are in the top 10 sack leaders.
Team Greg Jones
Team Jerry Reese
by BigBlueIntervention on Sep 12, 2011 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions
I know it's no comparison
To what you all were missing in Tuck and Osi, but I wish you could’ve seen our best defensive lineman, Jarvis Jenkins. I really think he’s gonna add to that list when he comes back 100%.
same with us and Marvin Austin. He was really promising in training camp and preseason
Shame that both our 2nd rd DTs were wiped out due to injury.
Team Greg Jones
Team Jerry Reese
by BigBlueIntervention on Sep 12, 2011 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions
And i hope that hip issue with your TE ends up being very minor
He looked pretty good. A big fella too.
indeed, that's one thing that people overlook...no injuries!
and yeah, its just a bruise so he should be okay.
Team Greg Jones
Team Jerry Reese
by BigBlueIntervention on Sep 12, 2011 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Redskins looked great but lets not overreact! The team looks more legit than they did in yesterday’s opener than they did against Dallas last year, but i’m catious! I don’t want Kolb to come through here and have a big day. He looked solid ysterday. Redskins need to win next week to keep the good will up. No letdown. HTTR!
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by RedskinsGirl on Sep 12, 2011 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions
My coffee tasted good
Then you had to go and piss in it. There were plenty of aspects of this game that left something to be desired, not the least of all being the offensive line. But the one thing that has been engrained into me over the past 20 mostly painful years, is that you cherish every EARNED win. And this was one of them.
In no way am I looking past Arizona, but i do think that, overall, the Giants have a better team, even with the injuries. I don’t think Kolb is any better than Eli, and Fitzgerald is the only guy on that team that actually scares me. The Giants, on the other hand, had plenty yesterday ON THE FIELD.
We will see what happens, but it’s Monday. I don’t reset until at least Wednesday. Leave my morning coffee alone.
I’m sorry hun, i hope i didn’t upset you. lol
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by RedskinsGirl on Sep 12, 2011 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Well
Now that you called me hun, all is forgiven. Providing, of course, it is used with the proper meaning in mind.
Yeah. I call a lot of people hun, sweetie, etc. That’s what i do.
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by RedskinsGirl on Sep 12, 2011 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah.
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by RedskinsGirl on Sep 12, 2011 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Cardinals
have major problems in their defensive secondary. They just gave up 400 yards to a rookie starting his first game. No excuse to lose to that team, no matter the QB.
Formerly KS and CS
by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Sep 12, 2011 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Exactly. That’s my point. The Skins need to take care of buisness next week.
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by RedskinsGirl on Sep 12, 2011 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions
2nd to Redskins winning is WATCHING ROMO CHOKE AGAIN!
It’s like watching him try to hold down a field goal.
Again, and again and again and again and again and again.
that mildly lessened the sting
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Team Jerry Reese
by BigBlueIntervention on Sep 12, 2011 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Its funny. The Cowboys seem to be America’s most hated team while the Mavericks seem to be America’s most loved team last year.
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by RedskinsGirl on Sep 12, 2011 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions
People rooted against the Heat
not for the Mavericks. If it had been the Heat versus a squad of Neo-Nazi’s people would still have been against the Heat.
Formerly KS and CS
by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Sep 12, 2011 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
True.
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by RedskinsGirl on Sep 12, 2011 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions
It's cause the Mavericks aren't arrogant.
When you go and call YOURSELF America’s Team….well, that sorta speaks for itself haha.
Team Greg Jones
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by BigBlueIntervention on Sep 12, 2011 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Yep.
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by RedskinsGirl on Sep 12, 2011 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Its amazing
While watching the pregame show, they said that DeMarcus Ware had felt that the Cowboys were being overlooked by the media. Really? Really? I am sorry that not enough of the media said that you were going to make the SuperBowl. Way to kick the Cowboys in the crotch! I f&*cking HATE THE COWBOYS!
by KonartistNupe on Sep 12, 2011 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions
LOL
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by BigBlueIntervention on Sep 12, 2011 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions
DWare is awesome, but he's a little blind
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by BigBlueIntervention on Sep 12, 2011 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Yesterday was cool
With the 9/11 ceremony people were a lot nicer to one another at the stadium.
Was I hearing things
or was the crowd chanting Defense while the redskins offense was on the field at one point?
Formerly KS and CS
by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Sep 12, 2011 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Plus Romo throwing to an injured Dez Bryant while be covered by REIVIS ISLAND
The worst Quarterback BRAIN in football.
I’m glad he made the mistake and had the fumble at the goal line. I was nervous when Whitten almost scored on that td pass. It would have been 31-17.
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by RedskinsGirl on Sep 12, 2011 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Week 3 will be a riot….
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by RedskinsGirl on Sep 12, 2011 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Gotta Take Care of Arizona
This will make Week 3 all the more sweeter!
by KonartistNupe on Sep 12, 2011 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Now that the Fred Davis "hating"
Has been addressed, can we though on the subject of D. Hall? I am pretty sure that was the most physical game Hall has played since he’s been with us. He didn’t get the big play he is known for, but he did do a lot of little things. There were two consecutive plays in the early fourth where he saved the first down when the Giants were backed up inside the 5. First, he tackled Manninham out of bounds where the ball became dislodged, resulting in an incompletion. Then, on the next play, he came up and snagged Bradshaw in a one on one open field tackle around the 5, causing the Giants to punt from their end zone.
Hall, Davis, Rex…maybe this year will be about the rebirth of some players as much as anything?
Davis is a beast. He lost weight and looks more nimble out there. I expect big things from him.
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by RedskinsGirl on Sep 12, 2011 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions
He will be like Finley for the Packers.
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by RedskinsGirl on Sep 12, 2011 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Davis will be on some fantasy teams in a minute.
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by RedskinsGirl on Sep 12, 2011 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Fred Davis did not run in his combine... but ran a 4.68 in his pro-day!
At 6’4"… he actually could be a good WR…
Did anyone else
See the similarities in the Cowboys last night and the Zorn era Skins. Stupid mistakes no matter the situation. Shows the poor coaching and our coaching cutting those mistakes out. HTTR!!!
by jellis113 on Sep 12, 2011 2:01 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
John Thompson show on ESPN980 opened with the Replay of ROMO Interception that gave the ball away
You know that came from Doc Walker!
GOOD WIN...
These are the types of wins that coaches use to their benefit. You take the win, but there was a ton of mistakes that the team can work on. AA and Gaff had 2 drops each, the OL played horrendously and Doughty needs to ride the bench (he was personally responsible to 3 big plays given up to the NY offense.
It is great to hear that the team gave up their day off to watch film and work on what they did wrong. If the errors are cleaned up, watch out!!!!
Jaguar Player Tackled by Hair. Watch out Hightower: Legal Play
Fashion statements can cause yourself pain in the NFL.
I am looking for more of this after what happened on Sunday on a Kickoff Tackle:
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Video-Horse-collar-flag-picked-up-because-playe?urn=nfl-wp6982
This has
Been going on for years. The hubbub started with Ricky Williams. Frankly, I’m surprised it soesnt happen more often.
me too
It would have to hurt like hell to have a 250 pound linebacker tackle you by the hair. Might make you a little tentative the rest of the game.
Formerly KS and CS
by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Sep 12, 2011 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Feel free to add whatever you want as being greater than Tony Romo
If you haven’t figured it out yet,
Anyone or anything with “Tony” as the first name or “Rom” in the first or last name will be acceptable.
Tony Kornheiser > Tony Romo?
Team Greg Jones
Team Jerry Reese
by BigBlueIntervention on Sep 12, 2011 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Romo has a black belt in Choke Fu
"If a man speaks and there is no woman around to hear him, is he still wrong???"
Great win, but no kool aid for me
Offensive line looked horrible. Bad snaps from montgomery, mediocre pass protection against the giants depleted front 7, and awful run blocking. With literally two exceptions hightower had nowhere to run all game. There is no way we have the kind of season we want unless the offensive line gets their shit together. They literally looked worse than they did at almost any time last year.
Defense did look amazing though, and I love neild at nose tackle. Crazy to think our arguably best defensive player wasn’t even on the field. This defense could be something special with him. Grossman and the passing game were adequate, and I did like how shanny kept trying to run the ball even though they were going nowhere.
Are you talking about Landry?
in terms of best defensive player? I wouldn’t even put him as the best safety. He is very good playing as the 8th man in the box, and below average at coverage.
Formerly KS and CS
by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Sep 12, 2011 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Did you watch him last year?
He was the best safety in the NFC east, and maybe in the whole NFC when he was in last year.
He is what he is
they played to his strengths last year, which was smart. He’s a one dimensional guy who plays well close to the line of scrimmage. He’s more in the Roy Williams mold than the Sean Taylor/Troy Palomalu/Ed Reed mold. I like him and he plays hard, but a smart team is honest with themselves about what a player can and cannot do. This team last year asked him to do the things he is capable of doing well, and limited his exposure in coverage.
Formerly KS and CS
by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Sep 12, 2011 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
keep in mind
- First game of the season. Good teams get better. Hey, we looked a LOT better than the Steelers.
- YES, the Giants were depleted. But we can’t control that. We would’ve looked better with Landry and Jenkins too. That’s the NFL. A win is a win, period.
- the O line did NOT look worse than anytime last season. Yes, TW got beat a couple of times, but Grossman had time on a LOT of throws. And don’t give me that depleted Crap again. Like I said, its the NFL. And the Giants backups are usually as good as a LOT if teams’ starters.
- the bottom line is, if you don’t think this is a different team than recent years, you’re nuts. Did you by chance catch the stat on how many times the Giants have beat us in a row? Or how long since we’ve won in OUR house?
- now, as to this statement..
There is no way we have the kind of season we want….
What kind if season is that? Personally, I want improvement. Week to week. Anything more than that is gravy. As bad as we were last year, and with as much turnover as we’ve had in ONE year, to EXPECT a playoff team is a little over the top. Like I said, let’s go game by game, then go from there.
by CJHutch on Sep 12, 2011 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
This is why
And don’t give me that depleted Crap again. Like I said, its the NFL. And the Giants backups are usually as good as a LOT if teams’ starters.
playing the giants now was probably actually tougher than playing them later in the season. When the current backups who are playing get some injuries and they have third stringers in at multiple positions.
Formerly KS and CS
by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Sep 12, 2011 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions
We either beat
a deep, strong Giants team that is expected to compete for the NFC east, or didn’t play down to and hence lose to the same team hampered by injuries. Either way it’s a win and something completely different from what we’ve come to expect of the team’s we have had the last decade.
I am drinking the kool-aid from this “Redskin Spring” with gusto.
What contemptible scoundrel has stolen the cork to my lunch? -W. Clement Stone
We won time to move on to the Bamboozled Bowl this weekend.
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I agree that what i want from this season is improvement
But I think the offensive line did not improve from last year, and in many ways played worse. If you take away hightower’s 22 yard run, the running game averaged 2 years a carry. That is simply unacceptable for this offense.
I actually think the O-line looked about as worse as it ever did last year
I mean you had maybe a game or two last season that was worse, but this ranks up there with them. I’d say the vast majority of Grossman’s dropbacks he got sacked, hit or pressured. Now he did a better job than say McNabb or Campbell in dealing with that pressure and didn’t throw any stupid INT’s and dumped it off. That made Grossman’s game far better than his stat line suggested. The running game was just as bad, as Hightower could never find any room.
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+1 Makes me appreciate Grossman's performance even more!
O-line needs to do some soul searching this week. TW looked horrible… Licht and Monty let anyone through… JB was better than TW, but not by much.
disagree Brown was the worse...Trent wasn't pretty, but he faced tougher competition and didn't get pushed back nearly as much
Brown was getting beat on nearly every play.
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by Steve Shoup on Sep 13, 2011 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions
It is easy
To hate McNabb, and I understand it. But there is no denying that, no matter how old he is, he is much more nimble of foot that Grossman is. There were times last season when McNabb looked up and saw someone in his face. If he couldn’t escape that pressure, no chance Rex could’ve. I agree the running game could’ve been better yesterday, but it did it’s job. How many times did we see Portis rack up 100 yards, yet lose the game?
Did our line look sub-par? Yes. But if you’re telling me we scored 28 points in a REGILAR SEASON game with HORRIBLE line play across the board, then I say its time to draft our QB of the future now, and throw him in. If good ole Rex can throw for 300+ yards behind the worst line in the league, I can’t wait until we get a quarterback with top tier talent.
The line was mediocre in pash protection
But that wasn’t the problem; they clearly were good enough for the redskins to score 21 on offense. What they were awful in was run blocking. Take away hightower’s 22 yard carry and it was basically 2 yards per carry if that.
I'll give you
Both of those points. I’ll even go so far as to say that Trent Williams was the worst player on offense for some of those plays. But I won’t go so far as to say they were as abysmal as they have been in the past. As bad as the running game looked, it still helped us get the win.
First of all, I don’t do that “take away such and such play”. You can’t take it away, because it happened. What would Barry Sanders’ career numbers look like if you took away his bad plays. (PLEASE don’t anyone think in comparing Hightower to Barry Sanders) But, regardless, even if you DID take away that carry, he still gained more than either of their backs. As many YPC? No. But that’s just a stat for the talking heads to look at. The fact is, we stuck with the run, even though it wasn’t producing. Something we haven’t done in years past. The end result? We go the win, and our guy tallied one fewer yard than the Giants much ballyhooed “Thunder and Lightning” combo COMBINED. And guess what? Those yards helped get us the win. So I’ll take the 2.2 rushing yard average any day of the week, if it helps us grind out a win. Which, for once, it did.
I think the point is what yards we had were b/c of Hightower and not the O-line opening up running lanes
Over a single game the offensive line shouldn’t be measured by how many points we scored. You need to look at pressures, hits, sacks. And YPC, and how many negative to 2 yard gains we got, simply b/c the defensive line won the LOS.
Granted we did good against the Giants running game, but they had a lot fewer carries than we did, and if they had the same number of carries that we had they would have had 98 yards.
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by Steve Shoup on Sep 13, 2011 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions
except it doesn't work that way
if you put a rookie quarterback behind a horrible O-line he’s going to get shellshocked and never reach his potential. It wasn’t always pretty and it led to a number of high or off target throws (many of which were still caught), but Rex’s veteran presence and awareness kept the Redskins offense moving and is why we got 21 offensive points and 300+ passing yards. A rookie won’t do that, and in fact could ruin his career.
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by Steve Shoup on Sep 13, 2011 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
On the other hand
its game 1 of the season and they won. They have time to work on the OLine. If they can solidify that line to give Grossman more time, its clear that Shanahan is going to take advantage of the WRs speed. I probably shouldn’t be surprised by the Skins aerial assault against the Giants cbs, but I was considering it was the 1st game of the season. They just came out firing. That will open up the running game. And, if this is going to be a good year for the Redskins defense and they shut down a a very good Giants offense in the 2nd half,So the Redskins can take their shots. Its only 1 game, but if this team can improve as the season progresses, I can see them in the playoff mix
by hambonejackson on Sep 12, 2011 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions
One of Shanahan's strategies is to pound the ball until the defensive line softens up. IMO, the Skins running game did do
a little better in the last half of the 4th quarter, some 5 yard runs
by Jefferson1935 on Sep 12, 2011 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Before people start using words like horrible...
…please remember what we were like last year. Everything I’ve seen looks like its improved. Heck, even Gano was 4 for 4 on PAT’s. LOL
HTTR!
I just thought of something..
Imagine Nield starting at NT, cofield at DE with bowen for this year. We could pick up another NT for backup and drop someone we dont need like sellers
by getmoneykid on Sep 12, 2011 5:50 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
You could see some of that, but I don't know how much Neild can play, and we need more depth beyond what we have
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NT Nield was the steal of the draft... a good NT in the 7th round!
When Jenkins returns… the D-line will be scary good.
We are set at OLB with Orakpo and Kerrigan (who looked like a probowler yesterday).
I’m concerned about our ILBs… and flat-out worried about our Secondary.
I had the same thought, but it wouldn't have to be official -
just start doing it occasionally, then more and more – Neild at NT with Cofield/Bowen/Carriker and others at DE
I just crossed into enemy territory...
… and read reactions from Giants fans….
Wow they’re treating a loss to the Redskins like the most embarrassing debacle a club could suffer. Predicting a top 5 pick next April, the replacement of Eli Manning, and just badgering on how guys like Moss, Armstrong, Gaffney, or Davis could ever make plays against them.
Grossman to them is the worst QB they’ll face all season. Maybe they’re right… But DAMN
They should go through what we have for the past 15 years, then maybe it won’t be so bad..
by Dammit Cerrato... on Sep 12, 2011 5:56 PM EDT reply actions
They think of us
the way we used to think of the Cardinals back in the day….Sad.
Formerly KS and CS
by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Sep 12, 2011 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions
the top 5 pick next year statement was a joke...also the Eli thing
many love to hate Eli and Coughlin but the majority knows that you guys out played us yesterday. I am more disappointed with the way the Giants played. Some thought this game was a gimme but most of us knew the Skins could beat us. I’m not discounting or making excuses for the Giants – you were the better team.
Pathetic
They're just over-reacting
The Giants are still going to be good – 8 to 10 wins.
Gotta give you guys props...
The Skins played very well…looked crisp on both sides of the ball.
Pathetic
McNabb threw for 39yds and a QB rating of 47.9 yesterday with the Vikes.
He didn’t want to play in Shanahan’s system… yet Grossman had 309yds and QB rating of 110.5 in that very system.
Wish him the best… but… I’m glad McNabb is not around.
same feeling
he will always be an eagle
awful trade since the beginning IMO, but what’s gone is gone. Time to move forward from him and Haynesworth.
by brazilianbeast on Sep 12, 2011 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions
That may be the last "Snyder move" we witness for awhile
I think he’s locked in to the notion that the Shanahan’s know what they’re doing regarding personnel.
by Dammit Cerrato... on Sep 12, 2011 8:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Albert Haynesworth
is going to return kick-offs for New England.
Or give it to the Florida police
to make those resisting arrest and assault charges go away
by hambonejackson on Sep 12, 2011 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions
only the patriots
and that over-rated Brady. I am so good looking I marry super models. i throw for 517 yards. He makes me sick.
by hambonejackson on Sep 12, 2011 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Cooley looked completely hobbled on TV
good on him for gutting it out, but he really wasnt helping much out there, would have been better resting than taking up a roster spot when he is not fit in my opinion
Pommylee
I revel in his misery.
For my money, there are few greater sights than that of Tom Coughlin in complete disbelief as his team falls apart at the seams.
You had me at Helu..
which is why I couldn't resist..
http://www.hogshaven.com/2011/9/12/2420957/priceless
And I usually don’t like linking other posts. But this is just too good.
Tom Brady must have really hated hearing his name
in the same sentence are Cam Newton..he just exploded
I was thinking the same thing
I wouldn’t be surprised if he said “No way I’m gonna let a rookie get more yards than me on opening day. Especially not some bonus baby picked 198 slots ahead of me.”
Anyone think with Doughty's poor play-
that we would have been better off without so many WR’s on the roster?
Everyone is saying depth is important, but we are thin all over save WR.
Kick off the BB discussion…
"My cat's breath smells like cat food."
not to mention the Oline looking awful and the D-line a very thin unit.
Steveospeak - Content Manager of Fanspeak.com
I'm confused, did we cut someone who's better than Reed?
"By far the worst performers on the (Redskins) are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
Did we bring anyone in or look at anyone better than than your first name basis buddy?
"My cat's breath smells like cat food."
yeah I know he blew some coverages/tackles
but the alternative was Chris Horton….is there anyone who really thinks that is a good idea??
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