My Observations from Redskins Training Camp 8/9/2011
by Kevin Ewoldt on Aug 9, 2011 12:15 PM EDT
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Keep in mind that these observations are from one day at camp and that players have up and down days. I'll be posting the video interviews separately, but they're available on YouTube.com/hogshaven. I got to talk with Fred Davis, Lorenzo Alexander, and Ryan Kerrigan on video. Make sure to read my recap on the Safeties after the jump. I got to stand 10 yards behind Atogwe and Landry most of the day and it was pleasure watching them do their thing.
Defense
- There was a lot of goal line defensive drills today. The front four from left to right were Carriker, Cofield, Jenkins and Bowen. They looked VERY Impressive. Bowen is a monster on the field. Standing next to Orakpo it almost reminded me of the movie Twins. In these drills Haz had the trash cans out (see pic) and was hammering them on their gaps and what if scenarios.
- Horatio Blades was here but saw very few reps...which is the norm with the third team.
- Rocky McIntosh was with the 1st team all day today I saw. Perry Riley was 2nd team bouncing back and forth between RILB and LILB.
- During punt drills, the special teamers fielding them were; Armstong, Banks, Aldrick Robinson, Josh Wilson, Santana Moss, and Niles Paul.
- Ryan Kerrigan really struggled in coverage. It's nothing to really get worked about. Lou Spanos did some 1-1 drills with him to the side at one point. I interviewed both Kerrigan and Orakpo after practice...more on this later. Logan Paulsen scored on a cross route and Kerrigan got yelled at by coaches for turning back vs staying with his man
- Our defensive line is getting pressure. Cofield was successful with a nice swim move. Neild got scolded for being late on the snap. Anthony Bryant looked solid in the few plays I saw.
- Jabar Gaffney and Donte Stallworth looked good. They know what they're doing and complemented that with good hands.
- Hankerson had an on/off day. He dropped 2 passes in a row, one which caused Kyle Shanahan to throw his hands up. Both of these passes were over the middle of the field. He seems to like the edges more. I definitely plan on keeping an eye on that.
- John Beck was on and off. I watched practice with John Keim for a bit and he said Beck is being Beck....on and off. He played a full practice.
- All the QBs threw today the majority of the time with no pass rush, and all of them held onto the ball WAY too long. Prepare for a rocky pre-season in regards to QB decision making.
- The first half of practice Mike Shanahan let his coaches coach. Kyle was on one side of the field working with offense and Haslett was on the other with the defense. I liked seeing this.
- Kellen Clemens was awful. He could not hit QBs in stride and on one pass, he threw a long ball off his back foot which prompted Trevor Matich to ask if it was a punt. It was a duck. Ironically, it was completed to Donte Stallworth who came back on it, but the next play Clemens through a pickle.
- In a rather comical moment, Ben Chappell was doing a drill with tight ends way off in the distance, dropped back for a pass, and tripped over the catching net. His passes aren't perfect spiral (think McNabb) but he's got potential and showed some accuracy.
- Grossman and Beck were as you expected. Really nice throws than some really poopy ones. Grossman I still think has slight edge, but game time will tell all.
- It was really cool to watch Landry and Atogwe doing mental reps in end zone behind Doughty and Chris Horton. Landry was very much helping Horton in between plays on coverage reads and being more physical. Horton had an up and down day but I'd say more on the up. He looks healthy.
- Horton and Sellers jawed after one play and Landry shouted to Horton.."Smack his ass!!"
- OJ Atogwe is a 2nd London Fletcher on the field. In two plays I could hear him, he predicted the play before it happened. Paulsen in motion and a near side run.
- Landry, Atogwe, and Kareem Moore were sidelined. At points during practice, they went to the side field where they did some drills. Kareem Moore and Landry both looked like they could play today if they had to. Landry was doing full speed lateral drills. After practice I said to him, "You could play today!" ... He just laughed with a "HA-HAAAA!" I guess that's a yes.
- Cooley is wearing a sleeve on his leg. He went up high and dropped a tough pass and tweaked his knee coming down. He jogged off gingerly and flexed it out on the sidelines for about half and hour. He did come back for a handlful of plays, but left practice with his knee bagged (which is a normal thing around Redskins Park).
- Sellers was included in tight end drills (6 total), which I liked to see. More pass catching drills for him please.
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I like this...
OJ Atogwe is a 2nd London Fletcher on the field. In two plays I could hear him, he predicted the play before it happened. Paulsen in motion and a near side run.
"My cat's breath smells like cat food."
by HogNasty on Aug 9, 2011 12:29 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
I concur.
Better than saying “Me too”.
No Danny, Nooooooo - Tom Landry, 1982., and Washington Redskins fans, 1999-
Do you concur?
Damnit why didnt i concur!?!
Hail to 'Em
by SkinsaneAsylum on Aug 9, 2011 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Why is he watching though?
Is he hurt? whats going on?
by skins4life010 on Aug 9, 2011 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions
hamstring injury
He was jogging/running at 50%. I’d be surprised if he played this week but should be fine for week 1.
"The secret of life is honesty and fair dealing. If you can fake that, you've got it made." -Groucho Marx
Hogs Haven. On Twitter..
Oh I didn't think it was that bad
there’s a video of him riding the stationary bike pretty hard.
Yea…he was on and off it a few times today….same w/ MK and Landry. That jogging he did at 50% may have meant he wasn’t testing it. Kareem Moore was doing some near full strength running drills for 5 minutes or so.
"The secret of life is honesty and fair dealing. If you can fake that, you've got it made." -Groucho Marx
Hogs Haven. On Twitter..
I love this
The more I read about OJ I think he’s a very smart and talented player and will help the young guys along. I can’t wait to see he and Landry on the field together.
Ha! That picture is horrible
Let’s hope his Redskins headshot is better.
I feel like he’s trying to look stoned, I have a sneaky suspicion it’ll be looking the same in skins gear though ha
"You're fucking out!"
He's ready to order Chinese
aaannnd denn?
Formerly KS and CS
by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Aug 9, 2011 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions
I am starting to think
that they lock them in a dark room then quickly turn on the light and take the pic. Kinda like the first baby pics the hospital does.. we should have a contest who has the worst player pic lol
by Ryan Schaffer on Aug 9, 2011 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions
I think oj's headshots are hilarious
I say well played..
by DoWork on Aug 10, 2011 10:26 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
there isn't much to report
- Ink Chester in for Right Guard. So now from left to right…1st team today: Trent, Kory, Monty, Chester, Jammal.
- Standing on the goal line while they’re doing red zone plays, the OLine is moving horizontally…it was tough to see who was winning what.
- I couldn’t believe how small Sean Locklear was….Rak had his way with him the 2 plays I focused in. Lockear did Alex Barron-esque moves. (again…just the 2 plays I saw).
"The secret of life is honesty and fair dealing. If you can fake that, you've got it made." -Groucho Marx
Hogs Haven. On Twitter..
Awesome report
Much appreciated and keep these bad boys coming! Also looking forward to viewing your interviews.
Were there any surprises today from players that you might not have expected to surprise you?
Hail to 'Em
Good shit, Kevin.
Really interesting to hear the specifics. Like you said, can’t read too much into one practice, but reading this was a lot like being there. It’s appreciated.
It's like the tortoise and the hare.
you’re both appreciated.
i seriously doubt that
My typos & run-ons speak for themselves.
"The secret of life is honesty and fair dealing. If you can fake that, you've got it made." -Groucho Marx
Hogs Haven. On Twitter..
so awesome
OJ Atogwe is a 2nd London Fletcher on the field. In two plays I could hear him, he predicted the play before it happened.
"By far the worst performers on the (Redskins) are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
Yes I did. Did you want me to cite or give you credit or send you royalties?
"By far the worst performers on the (Redskins) are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
Josh Wilson worked at Fedex as a kid
It’s going to be a great feeling not having to serve fries to the fans," Wilson said with a beaming smile, and only partially joking. A native of Prince George’s County, Wilson has some fond memories of his days working the concessions stands at FedEx Field, and waiting outside the stadium to see his favorite players.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/aug/8/wilsons-paygrade-improves-second-time-around-at-fe/
Formerly KS and CS
by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Aug 9, 2011 1:18 PM EDT reply actions
WAIT A MINUTE KERRIGAN DIDN"T LOOK GOOD IN COVERAGE!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
I got crapped on for saying that he wouldn’t be good in coverage early on, parks magichat i await the responses.
by alwaysremember21 on Aug 9, 2011 1:20 PM EDT reply actions
Of course he doesn't look good in coverage
He’s learning how to stand up. I don’t think parks and magichat were expecting him to be good in coverage. In fact he probably will suck at coverage for awhile
"You're fucking out!"
Definitely expecting this
Rak was pretty awful in coverage as a rookie, and wasn’t great last year by any means.
Get Used to It
A few people here get bent out of shape when you take a realistic stand point towards teh squad opposed to the Jungle Juice Quadruple vision. I couldnt belive the response i got when i said Orakpo needs to step up and Carlos Rogers was a bust and the worst Skins CB ever.
Worst Skins CB ever?
And you’re touting taking a “realistic stand?” Carlos was average, at worst.
by Reedskin on Aug 10, 2011 1:25 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Rex named the starter?
According to yahoo….
Joe Theismann, "Nobody in football should be called a genius. A genius is a guy like Norman Einstein."
it's just a depth chart...
Things can and will change. I think Rex will win the job…but we gotta see Beckamania in action first.
"The secret of life is honesty and fair dealing. If you can fake that, you've got it made." -Groucho Marx
Hogs Haven. On Twitter..
Especially with Shanny in Charge
After Elway retired, he said Bubby was the starter through the whole offseason. Brister started all four preseason games. Then Griese started game one. Shanny is cold hearted.
Formerly KS and CS
by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Aug 9, 2011 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Rex #1 on depth chart
but its still an open competition. Cant put two names down in one spot for official depth chart, so since he started last year he remains in that spot.
Hail to 'Em
by SkinsaneAsylum on Aug 9, 2011 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions
just for Friday, I think
"By far the worst performers on the (Redskins) are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
Any Yahoo can SAY who the starters gonna be.
by CJHutch on Aug 9, 2011 4:36 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Nice writeup, Kevin!
Sounds like some areas for optimism and a little of what we probably expected in others. Friday’s game should be interesting, for sho. Thanks for post!
Is anyone else depressed
knowing we are going into the season with more questions at the QB position, than we have had in the last decade?
Does anyone have hope for either one of these two guys(Rex or Beck)?
Does anyone think either one will have more TD’s than INT’s?
I got Tiger Blood running through my veins!
I'm actually hyping myself up for Beck.
Gotta have faith…and hopefully a badass running game this year.
"That's what she said!"
no
knowing we are going into the season with more questions at the QB position, than we have had in the last decade?
What were our other options? Over-spend in an awful QB FA market or use a 1st round pick on an average QB…neither of which had an off-season to learn our playbook. PUNT. We’re playing our 3-7 off suit which is what we got dealt. Come on give me trip 3s on the flop!!!
Does anyone have hope for either one of these two guys(Rex or Beck)?
We know what the ceiling is …. it’s going to be painful but we’re rebuilding. (see answer above)
Does anyone think either one will have more TD’s than INT’s?
I think they both will….I’m so glad you didn’t include fumbles in that question.
"The secret of life is honesty and fair dealing. If you can fake that, you've got it made." -Groucho Marx
Hogs Haven. On Twitter..
Better question my good brother
do you have hope for the season? If so, what would that hope be?
Mine is watching then rookies, and hoping they improve as the season progresses.
I got Tiger Blood running through my veins!
When we get to the playoffs I'm throwing all of these comments back in everybody's face.
Can’t Wait!
"That's what she said!"
I was in Vegas this past weekend
Skins 6.5 wins…I bet $300 on under. Either way I win.
"The secret of life is honesty and fair dealing. If you can fake that, you've got it made." -Groucho Marx
Hogs Haven. On Twitter..
good bet, i think you'll see some cash money
Steveospeak - Content Manager of Fanspeak.com
more questions??????
We haven’t had a solid answer to this position since Ryp retired. One big cluster*****. You think we would be used to it by now (remember names like Shane Matthews, Patrick Ramsey, Gus, Heath…)
Next years rookies are going to be exceptional. I would give multiple draft picks for a shot at Luck. He could solve the rotating door for 15 years.
Would give Anything for Luck
Scouting report says he’s Peyton Manning, only more athletic.
Good Point
Still….Luck is the best QB prospect of the past decade at least
Not Forgetting Them
Both great QB prospects. I’ve just heard that the consensus is that Luck is the closest thing to a “Can’t Miss Franchise QB”
Agreed that he looks awesome
But imagine what it will cost to jusp to number 1 and get him.. Thats gonna be the sweepstakes if someone that doesnt need a QB ends up with the 1st pick..
with shanahan as our coach we might end up with the number 1 pick for the next 3 years
ied rather have that then go 6-10 though.. i really like his plan to start grossmen or beck.. i can see us going 2-14 pretty easy with either 1 of them at the helm….
if we get the number 1 pick this year we wont get it again for a long time
Luck compares more favorably to a young Elway than Manning, he has athleticism added to his great arm.
Bradford and Matty Ice aren’t close to Luck in terms of ability.
Just because they were the best qbs in their draft year doesn’t mean fans should compare them to Luck, its like comparing mark ingram to adrian peterson, both were top rb prospects in their respective years but they aren’t even close as prospects.
by alwaysremember21 on Aug 9, 2011 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions
I get what you're saying...
However, I’d say Bradford was close (in terms of hype as a prospect). If he didn’t have the shoulder injury, he was basically the biggest QB prospect to come along since Eli. Even with the injury concern, he still managed to go #1.
it will be worth it...
that’s what makes this year’s draft / FA so important. If Kerr, Jenkins, Hank / Paul / Rob / Helu all hit, and Barry, Bowen, OJ, Chester can solidify this team, then next year will not depend on bringing in a bunch of players and it will be worth a couple of #1’s to trade up.
Bradfords shoulder
was and is the only concern. Bradford could easily end up as Chad Pennington. That shoulder scares me.
Formerly KS and CS
by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Aug 9, 2011 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Difference:
Ryan Leaf was an idiot. Andrew Luck goes to Stanford.
I know there are busts, but it’s not a good comparison. Leaf was all arm. Luck is the total package.
by Reedskin on Aug 10, 2011 1:35 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Exactly
I’m getting tires of this ridiculous Leaf comparison crap.
"If a man speaks and there is no woman around to hear him, is he still wrong???"
by ThuGodfather on Aug 10, 2011 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions
It's funn you guys think people weren't saying the same things about Ryan Leaf
or Tim Couch
Luck is not a once in a lifetime prospect.
He may turn out that way, but only time will tell.
"By far the worst performers on the (Redskins) are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
by smutsboy1 on Aug 10, 2011 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Again...
Leaf was an idiot. Any team who talked to him before the draft must have realized this, and he was drafted based solely on his elite arm strength. Andrew Luck is smart. He goes to Stanford (that’s a smart school). He shows good decision making on the football field.
Leaf never completed more than 55% of his passes in a college season. Luck topped that mark as a true freshman, and completed over 70% of his passes in a pro style offense (not some dink/dunk, screen-happy stat-inflating Hawaii offense).
Leaf failed because he was dumb and inaccurate. Luck possesses neither of those qualities. The only thing people were saying about Leaf that is the same as they’re saying about Luck now is “good arm” (to be fair, Leaf’s arm was better than Luck’s is).
He's not a once in a life time prospect
nothing is being said about him that wasn’t accurately said about people before him.
"By far the worst performers on the (Redskins) are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
anyone see this?
OJ Atogwe is a 2nd London Fletcher on the field. In two plays I could hear him, he predicted the play before it happened.
"My cat's breath smells like cat food."
Reply fail
"If a man speaks and there is no woman around to hear him, is he still wrong???"
by ThuGodfather on Aug 10, 2011 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions
In a section about Luck?
Was it a sarcastic comment and I’m just missing it?
"If a man speaks and there is no woman around to hear him, is he still wrong???"
by ThuGodfather on Aug 10, 2011 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions
Ah, "I see" says the blind man.
"If a man speaks and there is no woman around to hear him, is he still wrong???"
by ThuGodfather on Aug 10, 2011 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions
HogNasty was upset with smuts...
because HogNasty cited Kevin’s quote about O.J. and said he liked it. Then Smuts cited Kevin’s quote about O.J. and said he liked it without citing HogNasty, who originally cited the quote and said he liked it. And we all know if you cite a quote and voice your opinion of it after somebody else already did, you’re not agreeing, you’re stealing. Someone who agrees with you is not your friend. He is your enemy who is copying your thoughts.
we should post it again!
Redundancy is what makes good blogs good!
It has nothing to do with citing, repetition is what makes a a solid read! Don’t reply to a post that has the same opinion as you just repeat later!
Preseason is all about the reps!
"My cat's breath smells like cat food."
I'm diggin' this quote
OJ Atogwe is a 2nd London Fletcher on the field. In two plays I could hear him, he predicted the play before it happened. Paulsen in motion and a near side run.
"You're fucking out!"
by travisjh86 on Aug 10, 2011 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
that's excellent to hear!
"By far the worst performers on the (Redskins) are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
I'm not upset!!!!!!!!!!!
I’m so calm! You’re upset! Shut up!
I’m upset that we were having a nice sarcasm battle and you changed the game to “let’s see who can act like they don’t care the most.”
No!
I am winning the not caring battle and the not caring the most battle! But I care little for either battle…
And I am being sarcastic!
"My cat's breath smells like cat food."
To recap:
HN calls out Smuts for posting a similar sentiment in a new place, rather than as a reply. Smuts responds with sarcasm. Reedskin piles on. Meanwhile, Smuts compares Luck to Leaf. Reedskin opposes that comparison. They debate. HN blindsides both those idiots with a callback of the other thing. Reedskin and HN volley sarcasm meaninglessly.
THAT is what makes a good massage board (yes, massage).
by Reedskin on Aug 10, 2011 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Atogwe and Luck are both Stanford players, but what is being said about Atogwe
is intuitive. I don’t get the connection in the discussion.
by Jefferson1935 on Aug 10, 2011 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Which people before him are we talking here?
You were talking Ryan Leaf. People were not saying the same things about Leaf as they are about Luck. So what other people are you talking about?
Look, I’m not saying he’s guaranteed to be the next Elway. I’m not promoting “Suck for Luck.” I’m just saying Leaf/Luck is a horrible comparison.
all of the #1 QBs over the years
with only a few exceptions (Jamarcus Russell and Alex Smith)
people going overboard with promises of Luck being an all pro need to take a look at history and relax a little.
"By far the worst performers on the (Redskins) are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
Looking back about 20 years...
these are the prospects that I feel like people were talking about in a way similar to the way they’re describing Luck right now: Carson Palmer, Eli Manning, and Peyton Manning. Luck isn’t exactly like these prospects (he’s much more mobile than all 3, his throwing motion is the quickest of the group, but he doesn’t quite have Palmer’s gun or Peyton’s football mind), but these are the four guys about whom I think most people were saying “really good arm, really good accuracy, really good decision making.” In the three pros, you’ve got one all-timer, one guy who looked great but had his career derailed by injury, and one guy who has turned out to be good/above average. I feel like Luck’s career will probably fall somewhere within this spectrum as well.
Looking at other top QBs:
Cam Newton (shaky accuracy, poor football IQ)
Jake Locker (shaky accuracy, questionable decision making)
Christian Ponder (questionable arm strength, good but not elite decision-making, injury concerns)
Blaine Gabbert (haven’t seen him in anything resembling a pro offense, decision making only good/average even in the spread)
Sam Bradford (very close to making the elite prospect group, only left him off due to injury concerns around draft time and the questions about his arm strength that resulted)
Stafford (questions about decision making, inconsistent accuracy)
Sanchez (questions about decision making, inexperience)
Matt Ryan (questionable decision making, arm just average)
Vince Young (questions on accuracy and football IQ)
Leinart (arm average at best)
Carr (questionable downfield accuracy, average decision making)
Harrington (arm average at best, questionable decision making)
Vick (uber-hyped in his own right, but not as a pocket passer, questionable accuracy and decision making)
Pennington (weak arm)
Culpepper (accuracy, decision making)
Already discussed Couch, McNown, and some others below. This list could go on in a very similar way back until Elway. I agree with your sentiment that Luck should not be anointed an automatic HOFer. However, I disagree with the idea that he’s the same level of prospect as guys like Leaf, Couch, Stafford, etc. I think he’s above those guys as a prospect as an elite prospect with less “bust potential” than most of the other 1st rounders over the past 20 years.
For every Leaf and Couch
there is a Manning and Aikman.
So far, Luck looks more like the later.
"If a man speaks and there is no woman around to hear him, is he still wrong???"
by ThuGodfather on Aug 10, 2011 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions
Exactly. No one knows how Luck will turn out.
And no, the ratio of busts to success for #1 overall QBs is not 1:1
Not even close.
"By far the worst performers on the (Redskins) are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
If there's one thing I can't stand
It’s arguing with a hater. Chow.
"If a man speaks and there is no woman around to hear him, is he still wrong???"
by ThuGodfather on Aug 10, 2011 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions
Luck is not a once in a lifetime prospect.
He may turn out that way, but only time will tell.
"By far the worst performers on the (Redskins) are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
by smutsboy1 on Aug 10, 2011 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Never speak that name again,
unless we are talking about Lavar!
I defy you!
Troy Aikman and Joe Buck are the worst broadcasting team in football.
Me too.
I know that nobody’s a sure thing. Luck could get hurt and ruin his career that way. Barring injury, I feel like the worst he can be is average. He’s got the arm, the accuracy, the football smarts, and the mobility.
I feel like there are basically two types of QBs who are hyped as prospects, but fail in the NFL (not as a result of injury or being sacked a thousand times—David Carr).
1. The raw gunslinger/athlete who has yet to demonstrate a grasp of the mental aspects of the position. This is Leaf, JaMarcus, Akili Smith, Jim Druckenmiller, Andre Ware, etc. I fully expect Cam Newton to join this group, and Jake Locker has the potential to.
2. The guy with college stats and/or great football smarts who lacks the arm strength to make all the NFL throws. This would be Alex Smith, Tim Couch, etc. Andy Dalton will probably join this group.
There are also some guys who should kind of be on the negative side of both these lists, guys who didn’t really possess an arm OR good decision-making abilities. Guys like Cade McNown, Joey Harrington, and our own Heath Shuler.
We had one
but we canned Brad Johnson after one down year. Dumb, dumb, dumb Snyder.
that botched snap in the playoffs was too much..
still think he cheated for the bucs..so they would sign him
Good God...
You guys are trying to run this franchise into the ground again.
Is this Vinny posting under multiple screen names?
You have to build a solid base and then add the QB. Let’s see if we can protect whoever we have back there this year first!
Landry Jones is good enough. Don’t mortgage the future for this guy.
"My cat's breath smells like cat food."
Hope, yes
Boundless faith, no. I think Rex will be the man, and be pretty good. But I wouldn’t bet my life on that.
as I've stated many times
This reminds me of the Tony Banks/Kent Graham/Shame Matthews/Danny Woeful days. Yes, it is very depressing. As for those looking at Grossman as the second coming of…..whatever, I’ll just say I wish I shared their optimism. This is gonna be a bad, bad year offensively.
by CJHutch on Aug 9, 2011 4:43 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I've become quite accustomed to only scoring 17 points a game.
This year, I’d just like a defense that only gives up 16.
by CarverM on Aug 10, 2011 8:58 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I have faith in Rex.
He can get us 4-8 wins this year. Easily.
West Springfield Spartans OUTSIDE LB #47
HTTR
by SpartanFS47 on Aug 9, 2011 2:02 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
I cannot under-estimate how much better the defensive line looks. This should make everyone’s job easier…including the QB (ie – being able to get on the field not down 14 points).
"The secret of life is honesty and fair dealing. If you can fake that, you've got it made." -Groucho Marx
Hogs Haven. On Twitter..
in fairness there is a lot of other factors to take into account
Just about every quarterback probably has a 4-5 game window, look at Matt Schaub, is he a 6 win QB? No, but his defense was awful last year. If their rookie class plays well maybe they win 9 games, but if that defense gels together they could easily win 10 or more.
As for Beck/Grossman a lot depends on what else happens, esp. along the o-line. If Brown doesn’t improve, or his improvement isn’t that great, and Licht does nothing again, it will be a long season even if Chester is okay and Williams has a decent improvement. But if everything comes together with that O-line and then with the rest of the team, sure 8 wins is possible.
Steveospeak - Content Manager of Fanspeak.com
by Steve Shoup on Aug 9, 2011 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Attention Steveo
sure 8 wins is possible.
This is not the 80’s anymore.
I got Tiger Blood running through my veins!
Damn I need a new calender
i honestly have no idea what this comment is supposed to mean?
Steveospeak - Content Manager of Fanspeak.com
Think about it for a while
If you still haven’t gotten it in 15 min, I’ll tell you.
I got Tiger Blood running through my veins!
well played Tiller
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OWMJoV0ozIM
it is enough for a rebuilding year haha
Steveospeak - Content Manager of Fanspeak.com
if we win 8 games
that would be worse then 6-10. im pretty sure we are gonna have a 16 game preseason this year. im thinking we win 3 at the most. anything over that unless its o 10 wins or more is a waste when we need to draft a good qb. for the first time ever im gonna be rooting we lose every game but 2….. and thats dallas and @dallas:P
Suck for Luck sucks.
No true fan would want this.
by tuckwell on Aug 9, 2011 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
+100000000
i dont know why these people keep thinking that we are going to be that terrible. We are bad…but not terrible. We will have no chance at Luck just based on our record. we have a pretty easy schedule and a better defense.
Has anybody else pointed out how blantantly "homo" that phrase sounds???
by KonartistNupe on Aug 9, 2011 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
And the problem with sounding "Homo" would be?
Your statement sounds awful “Homophobic” to me.
Formerly KS and CS
by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Aug 9, 2011 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Not homophobic at all. It is a pretty "homo" statement! If there is another word for it, please let me know.
by KonartistNupe on Aug 9, 2011 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Come on man,
get you’re mind out of the gutter. ;D
Yea, its pretty deep there
We play the “no homo” game all the time where I am from. I am not insensitvie at all, but what can you say. Some people are going to have a problem with it.
Do not “suck for luck”
by KonartistNupe on Aug 9, 2011 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions
It's pretty stupid
i convinced my boys to say “no Tebow” instead.
Show that you are secure in yourself
and stop using the term. Using terms like that at best makes you look insecure, at worst a bigot. Doesn’t sound like you want to be perceived that way to me.
Formerly KS and CS
by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Aug 9, 2011 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Vinny wouldn't suck for luck
He never spent a single year rebuilding. Im not sure whats more idiotic, fans questioning his sexuality or fans claiming that rebuilding your team around a young franchise qb in the draft is a Cerrato move.
by alwaysremember21 on Aug 9, 2011 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions
I have no desire
To INTENTIONALLY do bad for any college player. And the players wouldn’t do it either. However, I do think we will be bad enough all on our own this year. Maybe not 3-13 bad, but pretty close.
we have a pretty easy schedule
I tend to disagree. I think we are gonna go 0-5 down the stretch. And who exactly is “easy” on our schedule? Remember, we’re talking about a team that makes an annual habit of losing to the worst team in the league.
As for our defense, I agree, I do think they will get better. But that’s nothing more than a hope and prayer at this point. There’s no proof to base it on. Right now they’re going against one of the worst offenses in the league.
by CJHutch on Aug 9, 2011 4:52 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I think our schedule is horrible
We get to many patsy teams this year and the skins arent going to lay down for dallas, i think we steal a win or two from the cowboys no matter who touches the field
by alwaysremember21 on Aug 9, 2011 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions
the "patsy" teams always beat Washington.
Just ask detroit and St. Louis.
Formerly KS and CS
by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Aug 9, 2011 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions
we gonna suck anyways
if u dont make the playoffs you suck…. why not at least give us some future hope
Because
Knowing our “Luck”, Andrew Luck will get his head broke in the first pre-season game and never play again…
by SucHerPunch on Aug 9, 2011 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Rex can't stay on the field for 8 games
much less win that many.
Formerly KS and CS
by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Aug 9, 2011 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Not gonna lie..
I’m on the opposite side of expectations than most Redskins fans regarding Kerrigan and Hankerson. I’m just not sold by either of them. Anyone who notes their college achievements as reason for hope is not valid in my book. I’m praying they work out, but I am truly cautious to say they become major factors.
I love what I’ve seen out’ve Jenkins and I’ve heard good things about Helu. Helu was prolly the pick I was most excited about in April because I immediately felt like he was a solid, scheme guy who could fit perfectly.
So far though, I feel like we’ve heard more positive feedback regarding Robinson and Paul rather than Hankerson. And where the hell is Evan Royster? It’s apparent to me that he’s not really dazzling anyone thus far
by Dammit Cerrato... on Aug 9, 2011 2:13 PM EDT reply actions
I’m with you, I’ve tempered my expectations. I think they will both be solid players but how long it takes for them to come to form may make some Skins fans a little impatient. I think Kerrigan would have thrived in a 4-3, i’m nervous his transition will be harder than Orakpo’s.
"You're fucking out!"
Can you imagine if we ran the 4-3 still?
our personnel would be flawless.
by Dammit Cerrato... on Aug 9, 2011 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions
they can still run 4-3...
Haslett could mix it up and use Kerr as DE in some alignments. I’m not sure, with this reduced offseason, that we are going to see it click for rookies until week 8, anyway.
PATIENCE!!!!!!!
well yeah, but I meant primarily
You usually see change-up with a 3-4, but I know that when we ran the 4-3, we never saw a trace of 3-4 scheming.
by Dammit Cerrato... on Aug 9, 2011 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions
the 3-4 would have been good years ago when our LB core was nasty
In the present we may be better fitted to a 4-3
by alwaysremember21 on Aug 9, 2011 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions
+10000000000000000000000000000 THANK YOU I'VE BEEN SAYING THAT EVER SINCE WE SWITCHED TO A 3-4
Imagine Orakpo, Cofield/Jenkins, Bowens/Carricker, Kerrigan coming at you as a QB. would be hands down lock as one of the best if not the best pass rushing DLines in the whole league. Also we’d have Mcintosh in his natural position, Fletcher not having guards running scott free at him all game long, no LBs that are awful at pass coverage, as well as a better fit for LoAx/Riley as the third LB. But noooooooooo let’s use the 3-4 cause it’s more “unpredictable” and gives us an “element of suprise” well hey news flash Redskins FO that doesn’t matter when almost everyone in the front seven is playing out of their natural position and in anything but their most productive role. Fuck you Haslett…and I’m done with my defensive scheme rant for this week I’ll probably have a relapse after the first preseason game again…
If con is the opposite of pro, then what is the opposite of progress?
by Area 51 Forever on Aug 10, 2011 4:27 AM EDT up reply actions
+2
then the fact we get either rex or beck as our starter really put my hopes down.if shahanhan pull this off in 2 years.. he is gonna make parcells, gibbs and belichick look like pee wee coaches…
by munson21502 on Aug 10, 2011 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions
I think you will see a lot of hybrid looks
Pro football focus has a good article on this…
http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2011/08/03/hyping-the-hybrids/
"My cat's breath smells like cat food."
The Pro Football Focus article is a good read. Links for several other articles along the same line are cited
below. The first two relate to the Raven’s hybrid defense. and the third is on the Steelers’ 3-4 zone blitz scheme. The Steelers’ scheme has been mentioned on a few occasions as that which the Skins would like to imitate. The Skins probably still do not have the players to mock the Steelers’ scheme. The Ravens cut their long time NT Gregg and it remains what they will do in 2011. The Packers are also changing their DL assignments in their defensive scheme.
http://www.baltimorebeatdown.com/2010/4/9/1412079/football-101-the-ravens-hybrid
http://www.baltimorebeatdown.com/2010/4/16/1424572/the-ravens-need-a-nose-tackle
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/374643-the-3-4-defense-and-why-the-best-defenses-in-the-nfl-run-this-scheme
by Jefferson1935 on Aug 10, 2011 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions
A lot of rookies are going to struggle across the League….all I want to see is flashes of greatness on the field pre-season…mistakes can be cleaned up in the film room.
"The secret of life is honesty and fair dealing. If you can fake that, you've got it made." -Groucho Marx
Hogs Haven. On Twitter..
Redskins Nation definitely has hit a low point if I’m now the optimist. ha.
"The secret of life is honesty and fair dealing. If you can fake that, you've got it made." -Groucho Marx
Hogs Haven. On Twitter..
In all honesty, my only fear of going 3-13 is that Snyder become impulsive again and fires Shanny as a knee jerk decision. Otherwise, I’d completely warrant 3 wins as long as we were competitive simply because I know we’re, in my opinion, a franchise QB and OL depth away from really competing for the division.
I def think we’re heading in the right direction and building a team, but not for anything special this year.
I’m sure Carolina fans thought Matt Moore and Arizona fans thought Derek Anderson would be serviceable heading into last year..
by Dammit Cerrato... on Aug 9, 2011 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions
That is my biggest fear also
Listening to Sirus NFL radio is helping to ease that fear. They’ve had people on there who have been around him lately. Said he is having a lot of fun. Lacking fun was a main reason cited when he fired Schottenheimer. They said that he looks a lot more comfortable in his own skin than a few years ago. I’m as big a critic of Snyder as anyone (I’ve used the screen name SnyderSucks), but perhaps he finally gets it.
Formerly KS and CS
by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Aug 9, 2011 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Not to jinx us, but
I feel like he has. Despite what ESPN would have us believe, I really think Snyder wants to win. That’s why he spent so much on free agents, in a misguided attempt to bring us back to relevance. I think he’s beginning to understand that what’s required is patience, stability and efforts at rebuilding. I think he’s come around
YO
What is up with this ESPN bias against us? NFL Network included (well at least Jamie Dukes). What has his fat ass done lately???
by KonartistNupe on Aug 9, 2011 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions
I dont think Dukes hates on us
Hes just a skeptic on the division, he likes to be an ass on the show. Im with Dammit Cerrato on a QB and OL being the two main things holding us back. I think that if we get Luck next year and spend the next few picks on interior OL, take the best center or guard available (if the number 1 center is on the board draft him, if not draft number 1 guard, etc.) Maybe get an ILB in round 4 or a high upside player who slipped that would fit our schemes. If these things happen we could see a wildcard in 2012.
by alwaysremember21 on Aug 9, 2011 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions
those are very good points about Moore and Anderson
some of these guys work, some don’t and it doesn’t look too promising. I’m just happy this offseason with the draft, defensive focus and most of our signings. I want to see the Redskins compete and even be successful, but if we end up 2-14, 3-13, or 4-12, i’m not going to get upset.
Steveospeak - Content Manager of Fanspeak.com
Firing Shanahan for a 3-13 season would not be a knee jerk decision
More like a no-brainer.
And then we are right back at square one
We are trying to break the cycle that has us in this cycle in the first place! I think that Shanahan will either finish his contract or retire. He won’t get fired though.
by KonartistNupe on Aug 9, 2011 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Hopefully this defensive line (which by all accounts is looking terrific) helps Kerrigan.
He shouldn’t be asked to cover too often, just run after the QB.
"That's what she said!"
i understand what you are saying but what is the alternative
Let’s let these kids play and see what happens. I think both will be fine, as they learn the nuances of the pro game. Unfortunately Kerrigan missed some practice time so that set him back, but if he rushes the passer nothing else matters. Sure the coverage issue is a worry, but that might amount to about 100+ plays a season, significant? sure, but really only 10-15% of the defensive plays. If he can work his way up to being below average he should be fine.
As for Hankerson, the drop balls are worrisome, but the potential and skill set are there. He did have drop issues early in his Miami career (which I know you don’t want to focus on) so maybe he just needs to build his confidence up. In the meantime we have Gaffney, Armstrong and Paul who all seem to be quite viable.
Steveospeak - Content Manager of Fanspeak.com
But that's what sucks, there is no current alternative
I suppose I’ll feel alright with Lorenzo holding that OLB spot. Don’t get me wrong, I want these guys to be pro bowl calibar guys, I’m just definitely waiting to see it and not making such a gut prediction. There’s a lot more pressure on rookies to perform now then a decade ago, and sometimes unfairly. I’ll be patient because I know we won’t be in the thick of this season.
And I agree regarding our OLBs in coverage. They don’t have to be Champ Bailey out there, just be good at QB killing. I only note not focusing on college achievement because I don’t think that tells us how the player will translate to the NFL level, all it says is that the guy showed he could play and was worthy of being drafted higher than someone who wasn’t as great or consistent.
by Dammit Cerrato... on Aug 9, 2011 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree that we don't have the greatest depth there, that is why I'd love to bring in Roth
I personally want to count Alexander as an ILB, b/c I feel there is more uncertainty there, and he isn’t a natural pass rusher. Since he has slimmed down some, he might be better in coverage situations this year and help out at OLB, but i say keep him inside. I’d like to add Roth and then the winner of White/Jackson as a developmental guy.
I get what you are saying about college achievement, b/c those numbers don’t tell the whole story, and need to be taken in context, but they do give me faith. Both were highly productive players for more than one season. And both also showed strong work ethics to continue to get better, which helps breed confidence.
Steveospeak - Content Manager of Fanspeak.com
Wouldn't mind seeing Rob Jackson pick up where he left off in the Jacksonville game from last year
He was a monster, always in the backfield and I’d be content to see him take advantage of the preseason with that motor.
by Dammit Cerrato... on Aug 9, 2011 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions
i agree
bruce and mike havent had very good drafts the past 2 years imo. kinda wish both were gone after this year
Under what criteria
are you grading these drafts? They got what looks like a 10 year starter at LT last year. All the early reports have been good on the guys drafted this year. Way to early to call them bad drafts.
Formerly KS and CS
by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Aug 9, 2011 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions
On the other hand
once Kelly is cut, there will be only one player from the first six selected by Cerrato in 2008 still on the team.
Formerly KS and CS
by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Aug 9, 2011 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions
please elaborate on your draft grades
because i IMHO we just had the best top to bottom draft in the last 5 years
Hail to 'Em
by SkinsaneAsylum on Aug 9, 2011 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed
Our number 1 pick needs a little time to develop, but our #2 pick is looking great, our #3 pick is making some nice catches and our #5 pick is apparently putting on a hell of a show. When you hit on all of your top 5 picks, you know you had a good draft.
I understand your
Overall point, but this statement
Anyone who notes their college achievements as reason for hope is not valid in my book
Is a little goofy. What other achievements are a guy coming out of college suppose to note?
by CJHutch on Aug 9, 2011 4:56 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Character, athleticism, work ethic, and versatility for starters
and instead of looking at numbers or stats, look at how they achieved those numbers. I could care less that Kerrrigan had 33.5 sacks at Purdue, plenty of people before him have done so and gone nowhere, I’m sure. What makes Kerrigan better than those others who have achieved it is why I hope he was drafted so highly.
Graham Harrell has all the passing numbers in the world coming out of Texas Tech a few seasons ago, doesn’t make him anything special in the league. Same can be said of Kellen Moore, but we haven’t seen that yet.
by Dammit Cerrato... on Aug 9, 2011 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions
All those qualities are important
but production is important as well. There’s just something about being a football player that’s difficult to quantify. It’s best to bet your million dollar contracts on the guys that were productive football players in college being productive football players in the NFL, versus the guys who say the right things in interviews and put up good numbers in drills, but didn’t have standout college careers.
Landry
Thank God for that report saying Landry is running full lateral sprints…I have been incredibly worried that he’s not going to be able to perform this year.
Still a concern, but mayyyybe he really is holding back and being held back in training camp just as a precaution, to give the max amount of time possible for that Achilles to heal.
Really hope thats the case
Thats the plan
The Skins medical staff are doing the things now that they couldn’t do with him during the lockout. They have to observe his progress b4 letting him go full speed.
We know what he can do on the field, and it is his 2nd year in the defense. I don’t care if he doesn’t play all preseason. He is the arguably the best player on the team!
I don't know about you guys but I'm already ordering my NFC East Championship t-shirt.
Every football season I talk sh*t, disassociate myself from reality and don’t give a f*ck about it.
HTTR! 11-5 in 2011.
"That's what she said!"
by iH8dallas on Aug 9, 2011 2:25 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
swap the numbers on that record prediction frand
by Dammit Cerrato... on Aug 9, 2011 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions
They haven't won 11 games
since 1992. You telling me this team, with GrossBeck at QB, is the best team of the last 20 years?
Formerly KS and CS
by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Aug 9, 2011 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions
and if so
how depressing is that?
Formerly KS and CS
by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Aug 9, 2011 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Everybody look at the numbers Marc Sanchez puts up.
on any other team he would be crucified. Hopefully, like the Jets, we can run the same kind of game with run and defense.
"That's what she said!"
I know
Look at our offensive line, and look at theirs………………….we are no where near the Jets. Look at their WR’s, then look at ours. Defensively, we are young and talented, but we are not at that level yet.
I got Tiger Blood running through my veins!
don't forget RB's maybe Helu will be Greene, but Greene and Tomlinson is a nice little combo
Steveospeak - Content Manager of Fanspeak.com
I'd take Rex Ryan over Haslett
My wishlist:
Revis over… any of our DBs
David Harris over McIntosh
Bart Scott over Kerrigan
We def have some home team names like Fletch, Orakpo, Landry, and Atogwe. But to me that’s where it ends in terms of great players. Like you said, we have to play the games, the only way these guys or anybody for that matter excels in a scheme is to run it. We have the talent on that side of the ball, but it all starts with the 3 guys up front and Hall in coverage.
by Dammit Cerrato... on Aug 9, 2011 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Bart Scott is another ILB, so that would be him over Fletcher
Steveospeak - Content Manager of Fanspeak.com
You're right
I had him penned in as an OLB
by Dammit Cerrato... on Aug 9, 2011 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions
and I'd take
Fletch over Scott any day of the week, and 12 times on Sunday.
by CJHutch on Aug 9, 2011 5:01 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Excellent Point
Just like the Jets, QB is a position of weakness on our team. Every team has weaknesses…the key to winning is to minimize them
Exactly QB is just one position out of 22. 1 man does not a team make.
I hope other teams think the Skins are going to be a walk in the park, that’s when they get smacked in the lips.
"That's what she said!"
1 man does not a team make.
Your correct, but I man can make a team a hell of a lot better, or in some cases, worse.
I got Tiger Blood running through my veins!
Of course the coaches aren't going to expect either one of them to be Peyton Manning.
But we can expect a 20 TD 10INT performance…give or take.
If the running game and defense is there that’s a 10-6 season.
"That's what she said!"
yes it is football and anything can happen
We beat teams like the Packers, Bears and Eagles last year, but we also lost to some real bad teams as well, and could have easily only had 2-3 wins last season.
The Redskins essentially need everything to go right (everyone produces to the highest level and we have no major injuries, while other teams struggle to gel together, their players fail to develop or are significantly injured when we play them) to even have a prayer at the playoffs.
Steveospeak - Content Manager of Fanspeak.com
The same thing applies to other teams. If Vick went on IR, the Eagles season goes down the drain.
The injury at the QB position is what makes teams vulnerable to above all others. Few teams have a set of QBs that the Lions had last season (again in 2011) and are able to contend.
by Jefferson1935 on Aug 10, 2011 8:55 PM EDT up reply actions
We don't have the depth to make a push at the end of the season
We have better depth than last season, but not to where we could get on a run and win some games in the second 8 of the season. If Landry, Orakpo, Atogwe or Fletcher (who is immune to pain) get hurt, the hole left behind is huge. Offensive line, of our starters, 3 should be backups. We can’t afford to get hurt anywhere other than maybe TE. But that won’t happen because there are always injuries.
A franchise QB gives you that push over the fence when guys go down with their ability to put the points on the board so that you can stay in games. With Grossman and Beck, we don’t have that. So damn if someone goes down.
by Dammit Cerrato... on Aug 9, 2011 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Every team is 1-2 injuries away from a crappy season.
What happens to the Eagles if Vick is gone for the season? Done
What happens to the Colts if Manning goes down? They immediately become the worst team in the league.
This team is built to mask the QBs mistakes.
A lot of the other teams are built to take advantage of their QBs skills.
That’s why I think this team is in good position to win 10 games. They are going to slug it out and win with running and defense. It’s old school, but it works.
"That's what she said!"
Those are Franchise QBs you named, guys that are vital to success
We don’t have one. But with a healthy Vick or Manning, those teams stand a better chance of competing than say if a Strong Safety goes down. We need to find depth for all these positions so that when a starter that’s not our future franchise QB goes down, the cutoff is not as severe. Right now, we pray that none of our guys go down so that we can compete because our QB situation won’t consistently allow otherwise.
by Dammit Cerrato... on Aug 9, 2011 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions
10 INT's?
So you’re figuring Beck will be the starter? Cuz Rex can eclipse that number in four games. Three if he really tries.
by CJHutch on Aug 9, 2011 5:04 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Come on
He threw four in three games last season. Give the man some due
by CommunistKevin on Aug 9, 2011 9:27 PM EDT up reply actions
can he be blamed for that?
I mean, the defense has to get to him first in order for him to fumble, So a lot of that is on our OLine.
by TheDeepBall on Aug 10, 2011 12:33 AM EDT up reply actions
ok
I was being a little facetious. But even as a Rex believer, you still have to cop to the fact that he has a penchant for turnovers. 4 in three games isn’t exactly a ringing endorsement.
As for the fumbles, yes, I do blame him. Every QB gets hit. Rex wasn’t hit near as much as most QB’s last season, yet he fumbled more than most.
Anyway, my point remains – if Grossman is in there, we can expect more (probably MUCH more) than 10 INT’s. The question is, can we expect the same from Beck?
Unfortunately we have many
QB
WR
OG
C
Maybe RB(we won’t know for a while)
Oh, by the way, did I forget to mention that one of those weaknesses happens to fall on the most important position on a football team? And please, don’t even compare Sanchez to Grossman or Beck. It’s not even close.
I got Tiger Blood running through my veins!
also we have huge question marks at a few other positions
RT- If Brown doesn’t step up it will be a rough year no matter who is behind center
ILB- McIntosh didn’t do too well in year one of the system, can he improve?
CB- Hall got beat more often than not with the exception of that Bears game, will his game step up?
We also have NT depth issues, and a question of whether Young and Williams can give us more from the FB position than Sellers.
Steveospeak - Content Manager of Fanspeak.com
Steve...what did Jammal Brown do to you? You really have it out for him.
I think he played very well last year, especially in the last 5 games.
"That's what she said!"
Nothing...except play really bad last season
I think the Redskins made a huge risk considering his injury history, age, recent performance, and the contract they gave him.
As for the last 5 games, they do look better than the first 5 games so I understand how people say he ‘got better as the season wore on’, but that doesn’t mean he was good, decent or even average in those games. His play at the end of the season was below average (and somewhat significantly), it just looked better b/c he was so bad at the beginning of the year.
And for me that just isn’t good enough. I mean what if those 5 games where he was just below average were at the beginning of the year instead of the end? Would we still be jumping for joy?
He’s a huge risk and until he proves it he is highly suspect.
Steveospeak - Content Manager of Fanspeak.com
Steve do you believe that you can evaluate Brown better the FO and the physicians they hire. They
did not give him a five year contract expecting him to fail. You have gone overboard while not having the inside information.
by Jefferson1935 on Aug 10, 2011 9:01 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree that Sanchez is overrated
but here’s the thing he has talent around him that we don’t have. Imagine how bad he’d be on the Skins with weaker RB’s and WR’s and a far worse O-line. Given the defense he has he doesn’t need to win them games or even really do much at all.
Steveospeak - Content Manager of Fanspeak.com
Everyone talks about Sanchez
His rookie year he had the top defense, O line, and running game in all of football. I dont think starting a below average QB gave the jets those things i think they were in place and he rode the wave. The skins are nowhere close to any of those, including QB
by alwaysremember21 on Aug 9, 2011 6:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Holy Crap - This Sucks
Today’s gut-punch example of this phenomenon is Stephen Bowen, the former Dallas Cowboys defensive end who signed with the Washington Redskins in free agency. As Joseph White of the Associated Press reports, Bowen’s wife, Tiffany, gave birth to twin sons, Skyler and Stephen III, on June 28. The babies were born four months premature. Skyler died 10 days later. Stephen III is still in the hospital. Stephen II is in Ashburn, Va., while his wife and 21-month-old daughter remain at home in Dallas, watching the baby get better little by little:
“Things are a lot better,” Bowen said this week in an interview with The Associated Press following a Redskins practice. “It’s still hard. I still think about the son we lost every day. He was just an inspiration for us. While he was here, he was fighting every day to try to be here for us. So the least I can do is just work my butt off and try to be the best football player I can be.”
My best friend had a full term stillborn child. It is devastating. Condolences to the Bowen Family. I don’t know how he is even showing up for practice.
Formerly KS and CS
by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Aug 9, 2011 3:09 PM EDT reply actions
That is awful. My prayers to him and his family.
"That's what she said!"
by iH8dallas on Aug 9, 2011 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
It really speaks to his level of dedication
that he’s still coming out every day to practice after all that. We need guys like that on this team.
It is the determination to provide for his
Family and I applaud him for that.
by Toosy_13 on Aug 9, 2011 3:39 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
i agree with qb's taking 2 long
i was @ fan day and noticed this too, but no1 seems 2 talk about it, i wonderd if it was just me…this might be bad if our oline isnt up 2 par.
by Sean Qtip Guilliams on Aug 9, 2011 3:40 PM EDT reply actions
Grossman showed he can provide a serviceable
offense, there may be a reason, maybe the coaches want to allow the receivers to run their complete routes to get them used to them! No point in allowing a core of new receivers to be thrown the ball early as they are still learning them!
by Toosy_13 on Aug 9, 2011 3:44 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Today's shocking update:
1) Donovan McNabb is playing like crap in Minnesota. “The offense is tough to watch right now”
2) Haynesworth is not practicing due to an undisclosed injury in Boston.
3) The tide goes in, the tide goes out. You can’t explain that!
Formerly KS and CS
by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Aug 9, 2011 4:07 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I think it's next week.
"If a man speaks and there is no woman around to hear him, is he still wrong???"
by ThuGodfather on Aug 10, 2011 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions
Based on our QB's
Would anyone be interested in Brady Quinn if he could be had for a 4th or 5th? Broncos only wanted a 3rd for Orton, I suppose Quinn would cost at least 2 rounds less as compensation.
That option should already have been considered...
I wouldn’t have minded pre-CBA lockout. Too little time to bring him in and teach him the offense, in comparison to 2 QB’s who have a year already.
The compensation for Orton was a 2nd & a defensive starter from what I understood
& we have enough 2nd stringers already as far as Quinn is concerned. If the compensation for Orton was a 3rd rd. pick, I think we should make that trade.
????
What has Brady Quinn done that warrants trading for him? Tebow is a FB who can throw it decently and he is higher on the depth chart.
Quinn = Kellen Clemmens
Hail to 'Em
by SkinsaneAsylum on Aug 9, 2011 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Not for long
and he is higher on the depth chart.
Formerly KS and CS
by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Aug 9, 2011 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions
QB SITUATION
We have a few options here:
1. We go out compete and go 6-10 or 8-8
2. We Sexify Rexify everyone and go 11-5
3. We go out lose all confidence and go 2-14
4. We go out compete but end up going 2-14
5. Shanahan Sucks for Luck
I like 4. That way were competitive and we get a true Franchise QB. Not saying I want us to lose I would love for us to Rexify the league…not a good chance.
I think Washington's only chance for Luck
is if a team like Carolina that already has their QB gets the #1 pick and is willing to trade. A team like Carolina goes 1-15 as Manning did his first year.
Formerly KS and CS
by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Aug 9, 2011 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions
agreed
doubt we will be in position to draft Luck without trading up
Hail to 'Em
by SkinsaneAsylum on Aug 9, 2011 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Carolina doesn't go 1-15 they lost most of their key players last year
Carolina will improve this year, i think seattle, the bunguls, and buffalo are our primary competitors for Luck
by alwaysremember21 on Aug 9, 2011 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions
If you want luck
better root for carolina or cincy to get it. If buffalo or seattle are there, he’s gone. But make no mistake, Carolina is going to be dreadful.
Formerly KS and CS
by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Aug 9, 2011 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions
i would surprised if carolina is the worst team in football
i wouldnt be surprised if they drafted luck with their top pick and try to trade newton
by alwaysremember21 on Aug 9, 2011 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions
also the Bengals would probably still draft Luck and use Dalton as trade bait or a backup
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I think 6-10
Does show progress. Last year, we went 6-10 with stale bread and moldy cheese. This year, we’d be 6-10 with a precooked pizza. I’m OK with that. You have to consider the guys on the team. You think Landry, Rak, TW, etc wanna keep losing. Worse yet, you wanna see them get used to it? I don’t mind us being bad, if its necessary. But I’m not gonna hope for it, regardless if what unproven player is coming outta college.
Is it dinnertime yet?
by CJHutch on Aug 9, 2011 5:17 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
If the Skins have an offensive line that can pass protect and run the ball they will be more than half way to being
a competitive team. Hutch, I like your analogies.
by Jefferson1935 on Aug 10, 2011 9:11 PM EDT up reply actions
For those of you desiring added ILB depth
Channing Crowder has apparently retired.
Greetings.
This is my first comment on Hogs Haven. Just wanted to say that Kerrigan IMO should be at the very least as good as Orakpo in coverage. He does not appear to be as stiff hipped to me. That being said, Orakpo couldn’t cover me.
Good, bad... I'm the guy with the gun.
by El Webber on Aug 9, 2011 7:16 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I'm remaining optimistic about this season because...
..it appears the Skins FO has finally broken the chain. They stumbled out of the gate with that awful trade for McNabb, but it’s clear that the old methods of trying to patch together a win-now team have been done away with. Flashy FA signings and false hope. That’s what we’ve been used to. At least if the team stinks it up this year, I can take solace in the fact that a different kind of team is being built. No more drama, no more me-first attitudes. Just a bunch of hard working players trying to become something bigger than themselves.
It’s not going to happen in just one or two seasons. I can live with that.
false hope is better then no hope.....
hope is for the future.. you dont know if it will come true or if it will be false hope untill the season is over. all those past signings could have worked out. but this year we have beck and grossmen as our only qbs.. so we have no hope at all…. shanahans plan to try and win this season with them and going 6-10 will be a year wasted…
The circumstance leading up to the regular season were not very good for starting a rebuild. The Skins had a limited
number of draft picks in the first place, but free agency was even more limited with a large number of restricted free agents and not many desirable unrestricted free agents.
The large number of free agents made possible an upgrade at many positions in 2011. It will not happen again in the next 10 years.
by Jefferson1935 on Aug 10, 2011 9:17 PM EDT up reply actions
if u really wanna gag....
just read about what kevin said the quarterbacks.. this is the first year ever that i can remember that i think we have no chance to win 10 games.
Yahoo just ran the "Power Ratings"
They have the Skins at 28, only ahead of 4 dogs. I think that list is mostly historical and statistical. Ironically the comment was good – “have a better pass rush”. These lists are all over the lot. Vegas odds a month or so ago had us favorites in only four games. Kevin says our “over under” of wins is 6.5. The power ratings would have us winning only one or two games.
did u see my comment on there?
i said we would have to go 11-0 to crack the top ten lol.. its true too a few years ago we were like 5-1 and we were 15 or 16th on the list. and we just beat top 10 teams on the list back to back…
Rex knows what a good team looks like
As bad as the media are generally, I happened to catch a guy on ESPN who actually predicted that the Skins would finish second in the NFC East. Should make for a really interesting season.
No.
The Gods demand on every play that he unleash the dragon.
You can’t do that on a screen pass, that’s just Kevin Spacey gay.
Seriously...
How is FIIGD not one of the hot button issues between creationists and evolutionists?
Whatever the explanation, no camp can deny the intense sexibility of it. Rexy’s deep ball is so hot it’s got a higher possibility of impregnating any female within viewing distance than of being caught by a wide receiver.
Oh yeah
Is the league ready to be rexified? Im not sure if they are. By the way if the skins end up being solid this year there is going to be a lot of people eating some serious crow. Did anyone see the shutdown corner post by farrar? It is pathetic he actually says that shanahans reputation will be hurt by Beck and then does the whole they mistreated poor Donovan card again and puts too much stock in Rex being named number 1 for this week. All around sloppy journalism.
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