Looks Like Someone Has a Sixpack of the Mondays
by Ken Meringolo on Aug 8, 2011 1:10 PM EDT
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Print1. It was hard hearing Robert Henson tell me about being waived from the team. He was the first player that we established a relationship with and he was a good man. It is hard sometimes as fans when you meet these guys out of college. You forget that these aren't grown men...the same way that most of us aren't grown men when we leave school. We are all just 22- or 23-year old guys still figuring life out. But the sheer size and strength of football players can sometimes give off a false sense of maturity. After all, at 22- and 23-years old, these players tower over me and most have a voice that makes Barry White sound like a soprano. And so when a guy like Henson makes the kind of mistake he made as a rookie over Twitter, it catches you a little off guard. I can tell you this about Robert Henson: he was incredibly disappointed in himself for the way he fell out on that Twitter incident and he invested a great deal of effort into learning from it. His injury last year could have destroyed his head. But he kept his nose buried in the playbook and gave himself a chance to come back by being an exceptional student of the game. Finally, when I woke up on Father's Day morning a few months back, the first text I received was from Robert Henson. He told me that being a good father was the greatest thing a man could be. I remain optimistic that we will continue to hear from Hen this year, and we wish him the best of luck in his career.
2. Sorry Malcolm Kelly...staying injury-free simply looks a lot harder for you to do than others. I can't see any way this guy makes the team at this point unless he gets back on the field and lights it up in a preseason game. But without practice reps, it is not likely that he can get that chance.
3. Tim Hightower Thought of the Day (THTD): The more I simulate the running back competition in my mind, the more I become convinced that Tim Hightower is going to be the starter. You all know how much I like Ryan Torain, and I am not suggesting Torain will stink it up this preseason. My prediction is just that Hightower will get an opening at some point when they are either resting or sitting Torain and he will never look back. He will make it impossible for Shanahan to play anyone else over him.
4. Don't worry about reports coming out of camp that Hankerson is making the circus catches but dropping easy ones in practice. First of all, I don't envision a plethora of "easy catches" this season for any of our receivers. I think our quarterback will be making his decision to throw this year similar to the way we all decide to make our way to the rest room after our morning coffee and a night of chili dogs. It is going to be an emergency and people better WATCH THE F OUT BECAUSE IT'S COMING AND THERE IS NOTHING GOD OR ANYONE CAN DO ABOUT IT! Insert your own analogy between bowel movements and our offense here.
5. Anyone own a Jarvis Jenkins jersey yet? That is going to change...fast.
6. To put a bow on the "Malcolm Kelly Going Away Party" planning session, Niles Paul is looking like he can make this team. I have to believe if the choice came down between the two, Shanahan would keep Paul and cut Kelly, right? I want to know if anyone out there is giving Kelly more than a 10% chance to make this team right now.
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By my numbers
MK has a 11.3% chance
In all seriousness, I was excited to hear what he was doing in practices and had a whole year to get the hamstring issue cleared up, now he has another injury….he’s done.
Kelly's as good as gone in my mind
Hightower seems to have brought his fumbling problems along with him though
"You're fucking out!"
I think if Kelly misses pre-season action,
it will be hard to justify a roster spot. But remember, Shanahan has had ample time and opportunity to cut him, but he is still here. Shan sees somethin in him. I wouldn’t be the least bit shocked to see him somehow make it to the 53.
What the shit
Ken, curious to why you feel this way?
You all know how much I like Ryan Torain
I just don’t see anything special in his what-so-ever. Plus, he’s always hurt. If Kelly’s chances of making the team are slim, why wouldn’t Torain’s be too?
I got Tiger Blood running through my veins!
Kelly is also an FA after this year where Torain is still under team control
We also have better WR options than RB options
Steveospeak - Content Manager of Fanspeak.com
Well, I think he has proven that when healthy, he can carry the load.
So your point about his health is valid. That said, I think running back is a position where a guy can make huge splashes coming in and out of the lineup. Until we find the guy who can lock up the job full-time for years to come, we have to rely on guys like Torain to step in and have big games for us.
Also, while all positions in football take their share of abuse, the running backs these days take a hell of a beating. You almost can’t label a running back as “injury-prone” anymore. They all get injured—-occupational hazard.
Tiller—in an attempt to get you to fall in love with something about Torain, I ask that you remember: we aren’t crazily invested in Torain and so he stands to be able to return us some considerable value during this rebuild.
by Ken Meringolo on Aug 8, 2011 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions
I like flash
Torain to me is boring. Kind of like watching a 4 hour Yankees-RedSox game. Yeah, the teams can get it done, but damn is it boring to watch. I don’t think we are “crazily invested” in any of our RB’s. A 4th round pick, a 6th round pick, a 7th round pick, and a guy we traded a 5th round pick for. Any of these guys could provide great ROI. Torain, especially given his injury history, is the least appealing for me.
I got Tiger Blood running through my veins!
were you bored watching
torain light up TB or straight trucking Quinton Mikkell when we beat the iggles last year?
Hail to 'Em
by SkinsaneAsylum on Aug 8, 2011 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
cuz i literally jumped out of my seat when he trucked QM...
Hail to 'Em
by SkinsaneAsylum on Aug 8, 2011 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Absolutely, but...
…I think everyone is really just hoping that he can be a solid contributer to the running game. To garner the value of a 3rd round pick, he’s have to have an incredible year. I think that would be classified as a Best Case Scenario
At this point, I'd be happy if they can get a 6th or 7th for him.
He’s had ONE fairly productive HALF season, in an injury riddled short career.
A Redskin Potato
by Mr PotatoHead on Aug 8, 2011 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Seconded
….a 3rd is steep, but i agree that we should turn Torain over for a draft pick as Helu and maybe even Royster develop. if we get anything for him it would be huge since we cut Torain last preseason.
Hail to 'Em
by SkinsaneAsylum on Aug 8, 2011 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions
He's a boring RB
He does nothing great. I’m glad he ran someone over………………….thats what NFL RB’s are supposed to do………………..props to him for doing his job. What are his other highlights over his career? I’m looking for something to be excited about over him, I just don’t see it. He’s slower than me. He doesn’t block well. He’s not a great receiver out of the backfield. He’s always injured. He not going to make you miss. He wears number 46(one of the ugliest numbers a RB can wear).
Just give me SOMETHING to get excited about, and I promise I’ll try.
Now Helu gets me excited. Blazing speed, good combo of size, power. Can make you miss. Can take it to the house from anywhere on the field.
Hightower gets me excited. Great speed, also is a threat to score from anywhere on the field. Runs hard. Great blocker. Good receiver. Durable.
I got Tiger Blood running through my veins!
how about 4.5 ypc
…does that work for you? look friend, i dont particularly understand your disenchantment with Torain’s overall skill set. the kid stepped into the starting job and immediately started playing damn good. you may not like that he is tall and rangy, but just b/c you are personally excited when he plays doesnt mean he doesnt bring a lot to the table.
Did you get excited over the last decade with all the big name FAs we failed with? I for one will take PRODUCTION over EXCITEMENT every single sunday.
Look, i love the Hightower pick up. You know what else I love? DEPTH. Torain came from no where and PRODUCED! Injuries are the only knock you can have on this kid, since he came out of nowhere….literrally.
Hail to 'Em
by SkinsaneAsylum on Aug 8, 2011 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions
literally? he literally came out of a black hole or anti-matter?
that is literally a terrible use of literally.
"By far the worst performers on the (Redskins) are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
anti-matter is somthing.
FYI
my point was he was cut and then brought back and produced. sorry to such a “literalist”
Hail to 'Em
by SkinsaneAsylum on Aug 8, 2011 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions
sorry, just giving you shit.
Torain had a nice YPC last year but I don’t think he’s show much more more than replacement level at any point in his career.
"By far the worst performers on the (Redskins) are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
no worries
i understand your point. i just think he brings a good amount to the table and is still early in his development. again, minus the injuries and I would be excited for his potential to get touches in our O. I agree that Torain cant handle fulltime carries, but i think he is a good weapon to spell Hightower.
Secretly im wishing the Helu takes over and its Hightower who spells him on 3rd down.
Hail to 'Em
by SkinsaneAsylum on Aug 8, 2011 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions
That's not secret. That's precisely what I expect to happen.
Secretly im wishing the Helu takes over and its Hightower who spells him on 3rd down.
"By far the worst performers on the (Redskins) are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
Don't go production with me
The dudes always injured, and as usual, it happened agai last year.
I got Tiger Blood running through my veins!
look friend, i dont particularly understand your disenchantment with Torain’s overall skill set. the kid stepped into the starting job and immediately started playing damn good. you may not like that he is tall and rangy, but just b/c you are personally excited when he plays doesnt mean he doesnt bring a lot to the table.
Hey, Friend, I don’t need you to understand my disenchantment with Torain. Try and change my mind all yor want with your 4.5 yards per carry ave, of his one highlight of running over someone………………doesn’t matter. Point is, he’s a below average NFL RB, who is always injured.
I got Tiger Blood running through my veins!
I'm excited about Hightower, too
I think he’ll get the fumbling under control…
He’s an exceptional pass protector. I think he’s as good as Portis was in the pass protecting department. He’s going to need to stay back and block with this offensive line.
He’s a good receiver out of the backfield. He caught the winning touchdown in the NFC championship game for the Cardinals. He’s made more catches than that, but I think we’ll be pleased.
I am not
AT ALL comparing the two, but….
He’s a boring back….he does nothing great.
That’s exactly what they used to say about Emmitt Smith. Personally, I love Torains running style. I’ll take the 4.5 yards and a cloud of dust over the 1.5 yards here and there, with a breakaway every once in awhile. The “steady 5” is mush better for wearing the opponent down, and dominating them in the 4th quarter.
Now, that said, Torrain is of no use to us laid up on a training table.
I'm not comparing the two either
but who would you rather have in their prime, Barry Sanders, or Emmit Smith? I will remind you to take one thing into account. Emmit had one of the best O-Lines to run behind, Barry had nothing.
I got Tiger Blood running through my veins!
Fair point.
But it should be argued that 4.5 ypc behind the ’Skins Line last year was pretty good. You could even argue that a better O-Line may stop him getting as banged up.
I’m happy to have several weapons at RB this year. We’ll need them!
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by Stephen Beagrie on Aug 9, 2011 9:50 AM EDT up reply actions
Barry Sanders
is not walking through that door.
not even a legit question
I’m just being realistic. I would rather have Torrain than a Trung Canidate. Remember, we picked Torrain up off the scrap heap. Which, to me, makes him a pretty good find. You don’t find Barry Sanders in a pile of yesterday’s laundry.
Yes, I would rather have Sanders. And I would like to have Jacoby, Stark, Bostic, May, and Big Russ blocking for him. But it ain’t happening. We aren’t getting anyone as good as those guys. But Torrain COULD be just as good as, say, Stephen Davis. Who had no flash whatsoever.
We all like to get behind our own players
I am the biggest homer out there. I shouldn’t bash Torain. I don’t dislike him, eventhough the words I write are rather harsh. I just think as fans, sometimes we overvalue our players too much, and I feel Torain is way overvalued on HH.
He an average back, who on a team without an offensive identity, is replacement level. He’ll never, IMO, be better than average. I would argue this injuries make him a little below average.
For all the people pointing out the 4.5 yards per carry behind a poor line, imagine if we had a Hightower, or a Helu, who can take it the distance. In those same 164 carries, they very well could have averaged 5.5 yards per carry.
I got Tiger Blood running through my veins!
Well
For all the people pointing out the 4.5 yards per carry behind a poor line, imagine if we had a Hightower, or a Helu, who can take it the distance. In those same 164 carries, they very well could have averaged 5.5 yards per carry.
The difference between these two things is that one of them actually happened and the other exists only in your head.
Here is an honest question for you on Torain
Where would you rank him vs the rest of the league(not rating team performance…ie OL – just plain RB skill)
Top 1/3
Middle of the pack
Bottom 1/3
My answer, and I hate to say it, is bottom 1/3.
Everyone tell me what you think and why, and we can discuss.
I got Tiger Blood running through my veins!
I rate him in the bottom 1/3(and here is why)
Speed – bottom 1/3
Power – top 1/3
Ellusiveness – bottom 1/3
Durability – bottom 1/3 – can’t argue this
Production – bottom 1/3 – sad, but over his career, can’t argue this either
Blocking – middle of the pack
Receiving – middle of the pack, to bottom 1/3
Carrying – middle of the pack
Scoring – bottom 1/3 – some back just have a nose for the endzone, Torain doesn’t
For me, this puts him in the bottom 1/3 of starting RB’s in the league.
I got Tiger Blood running through my veins!
He has to have some "elusiveness" to his game.
How is he not boring?
There is absolutely no flash to his game.
I got Tiger Blood running through my veins!
Exactly.
He is replacement level. I don’t see an argument otherwise.
"By far the worst performers on the (Redskins) are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
4.5 yards per carry behind perhaps the worst line in the league.
versus the league average of ~3.6 ypc is one argument otherwise.
yeah but YPC on 164 carries isn't exactly unassaible proof.
Take out the Tampa game, who according to FO had the single worst rush defense in the NFL last year, and he averaged a much more pedestrian 4.12 YPC
In fact he only had one good game against a decent defense (100 yards vs CHI)
"By far the worst performers on the (Redskins) are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
I'm not saying he's Jim Brown.
You are the one calling him replacement level. He’s better than that. The biggest knock is his tendency to get injured…a fact of the position in the NFL with very few exceptions. His numbers are a bit skewed by the Tampa game. His numbers are also skewed in the other direction by a terrible offensive line last year.
Tiller’s point about him being “boring” is nonsense to me. I think Torain has become the recepticle for many fans’ frustration over the lack of a solid running game last year. He reality is that the offensive live was the much bigger problem…to go along with a host of others.
yes, he is not "the problem"
no, I don’t see evidence that he’s anything better than average.
"By far the worst performers on the (Redskins) are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
4.12 YPC on a half-season of carries against decent defenses.
yeah, overwhelming.
"By far the worst performers on the (Redskins) are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
Now you're misrepresenting reality and the argument at hand.
4.5 ypc is the actual number…sorry if that doesn’t lend itself to your baseless assertion. You act as if I should have to prove he’s a top 10 back in order to disprove that he’s “replacement level”. That’s nonsense.
Misrepresentation is ignoring the weak competition and small sample size.
4.5 YPC over 164 carries doesn’t prove anything.
Kind of like how Torain hasn’t proven anything.
"By far the worst performers on the (Redskins) are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
So, just to be clear...
your position is that your opinion, which thus far is based on no evidence at all, counts for more than what has actually occurred in reality…got it.
I'm still lost trying to figure out what has occurred
4.5 over 164?
That’s it, right?
"By far the worst performers on the (Redskins) are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
Pretty much
My bad for using the evidence that exists. Your method is much better.
who cares about sample size or quality of competition!?
"By far the worst performers on the (Redskins) are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
You're fucking ridiculous
So there’s enough evidence for you to draw the conclusion that he is replacement level, but not enough for me to show he’s better than average? Sweet. That’s convenient.
On Kelly
Got this tweet from Rich Campbell
Rich_Campbell Rich Campbell
On a scale of 1 to Cut: Um…not 1. RT @PSUHomer: How bad does this foot injury hurt Kelly’s chances of staying with the team?
I got Tiger Blood running through my veins!
About Jarvis Jenkins.
I remember a lot of us weren’t happy with that pick, but as I said when they drafted him, he’s the reason Da’Quan Bowers looked so good in college. Jenkins did all of the dirty work and Bowers stole the spotlight. Jenkins will be amazing in this defense and hopefully he’ll open up the lanes for Orakpo and Kerrigan. Also I’m hearing Rob Jackson is looking very good, let’s hope he lights it up so we can trade him at some point.
Dear Passionate fan, I know you are passionate, but please reply with a logical answer or I will ignore you.
all this JJ talk is getting me excited.
all the reports i’ve read are glowing…this one though, might get me the most fired up
Hail to 'Em
by SkinsaneAsylum on Aug 8, 2011 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions
What does Jerry Jones have to do with this?
Jimmy Johnson?
Jeremy Jarmon?
Julio Jones?
Formerly KS and CS
by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Aug 8, 2011 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions
wrong on all accounts
obviously i was talking about the Jack Johnson halftime show during preseason. get with the program dude
Hail to 'Em
by SkinsaneAsylum on Aug 8, 2011 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Since when
did we become so deep that we can just start trading guys when they have a good year?
by skins4life010 on Aug 8, 2011 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
hmm, that's a good ass question
SpottieOttieDopaliscious
I was one of those
I didn’t like the Jenkins pick at first because I looked at his bench reps in the combine and he seemed weak. Couldn’t understand why everyone said he was so strong. I guess football strength is a different matter, based on what he’s doing in camp.
Looking at a player’s combine bench press test and declaring him “weak” is pretty silly. Internet scouting at its finest.
I agree bench press isn't that big of a deal if you can move people out of the way.
But it shows that maybe he isn’t dedicated to the gym…that is a red flag.
bench press is more about conditioning than strength
and having long arms makes benching much much harder.
by alwaysremember21 on Aug 9, 2011 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Hightower wins the job for week 1 - Helu takes it by week 8
Torian is replacement level and injury prone.
"By far the worst performers on the (Redskins) are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
Sheesh...we get it already.
you don’t like Torain…noted for the hundredth time.
Personally, I think “starting RB” will be a nominal role on this squad. I think Torain helps bolster a pretty good corps of backs though. The worst I could say about him is that he’s not a feature back…but no one says otherwise. Good thing he doesn’t get paid like one either…~$500 k. He’s had injuries sure, but who wouldn’t behind our oline? He’s a solid piece to our RB puzzle. To say otherwise is to severely undervalue his abilities.
What tone?
and you’re not frightening. I’m just sick of reading the same negativity over and over as if Torain is somehow expected to fill an AP type role. He’s not.
i will say this
some people think Torain will be an AP type of back and that is scary as well.
I think a healthy Torain is good but not great. He is just average receiving and is well below average in pass blocking. He has good but not great speed, and while he can truck people he has also gone down quite easily as well.
The real issue is his injuries, and that is what holds him back.
Steveospeak - Content Manager of Fanspeak.com
people have said Hightower doesn't have that top level speed
I think he’s a solid NFL player, but a young guy with speed and ability could pass him.
"By far the worst performers on the (Redskins) are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
personally, I'm still hoping
Marcus Mason makes a comeback. I don’t think anyone’s picked him up yet.
Bye bye kelly
See ya, you were gone last year but they stuck you on IR because it was basically no harm. Dude can’t handle football anymore. 0% chance he makes the team.
Torrain is a decent RB and I like his powerful running style. Buuuuuut losing him is no biggy. I think he makes the team and all but loses more and more snaps as the season progresses. This is a good thing for us though since it means our other rb’s are stepping up…or torains hurt again.
Landry’s injury sucks, and the longer they hold him out the more sucky it becomes. I’m starting to get that feeling that his tendon wont be 100% at all this season. It sucks most for haslet because if he can’t get someone that can step in. I give landry a 20% chance he plays 16 games.
The Beat Box aka skins secondary.
OH kerrigan
Did he make it on the field yet? Besides that one day…dude has A LOT of work ahead of him.
The Beat Box aka skins secondary.
Exactly
Which is why we need Bruce Allen to get on the phone with San Fran and get Taylor Mays
I don't see Mays as a suitable replacement for Landry
sure, the physical skills may be comparable, but Mays doesn’t have a fraction of the football ability of Landry. If he did, then San Fran wouldn’t be looking to get rid of him.
With H.B possibly on the way out and henson gone how bout bringing in Channing Crowder or revisiting Tatupu
I believe Crowder is still available , if he is and the price is right why not. They brought in fox but bringing in another ILB would not be out of the question
I assume were set right now
McIntosh re-signing solidified that
I got Tiger Blood running through my veins!
Taylor Mays
Could play Safety or Inside Linebacker, problem solved
jesus dude is he your father?
"By far the worst performers on the (Redskins) are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
I like taylor mays, but we already have a box safety
if we had great man cover corners on the outside i would love to let him and landry mow people down in the box. However we dont so lets forget trading anything for an extra SS
by alwaysremember21 on Aug 8, 2011 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions
when i see him as an ILB it is more for 2012, as he would need to bulk up some
Steveospeak - Content Manager of Fanspeak.com
I'm not a fan of Taylor Mays
Great measurables but he’s just not fluid of enough of an athlete to play either FS or SS. I also don’t see him as a ILB but more of a weakside OLB in a 4-3 but that would take 1-2 YRs for him to transition.
@Callahan_9 on the twitter machine.
I Hope
You just saw something about Channing and dont actually know about him. Dude is the biggest trash talking bum in the league. If it were between fielding 10 players or 11 with Crowder, I’d field 10. 10 times out of 10. Can’t stand that man.
if your selling, im buying!
Hail to 'Em
by SkinsaneAsylum on Aug 8, 2011 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Torain is Dark Man!!!
Because he apparently came out of a black hole…, or is made of dark matter…, well, something like that anyway….
A Redskin Potato
by Mr PotatoHead on Aug 8, 2011 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions
torain is purely anti-matter
havent you heard?
Hail to 'Em
by SkinsaneAsylum on Aug 8, 2011 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Sweet
now I’ve got fuel for the Warp Drive. That stuff is hard to find, I’ve been stuck on this rock for years.
Formerly KS and CS
by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Aug 8, 2011 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Looks like..
… a shirt for a politician. Does it say BECK 2012 on the back?
by California Granata on Aug 8, 2011 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions
I think you devalue both
Kelly and Torain.
10% is way low for kelly. I put it just under 40% —> he is still young and has not yet missed preseason action. Higher risk/reward than Niles Paul or any of the other rookies save Hankerson.
Torain is boring but he definitely makes the roster and starts atleast 7 games this season. Averaging 4.5 YPC is great especially behind our line.
Also, I love what is said about Jenkins in camp but I can’t see him selling jerseys. If he is above average, Kerrigan and Orakpo will be the ones whose jersey sales sky rocket. Space eaters don’t sell.
Don't sell???
Space heaters are a terrific choice if you have a room that doesn’t heat well in the wintertime, they also are useful for rooms that aren’t attached to the HVAC system and have pipes that need to stay warm. They are a mainstay in the NE US. They are inexpensive and can be moved from room to room easily!
I would wager thousands of space heaters are sold in the US each year – not to mention CAN.
I don’t think you know what you’re talking about.
"My cat's breath smells like cat food."
by HogNasty on Aug 8, 2011 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
If you had a full size Jenkins jersey
you wouldn’t need a space heater. You could fold it two or three times and have a blanket.
Formerly KS and CS
by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Aug 8, 2011 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Following this logic...
They must be selling tons of Fat Albert’s jerseys from the outlet stores up in the colder parts of the country…. could work as a blanket, a tent, and a mattress all with room to spare
by California Granata on Aug 8, 2011 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions
If it gets too cold...
Tom Brady might have to cut Fat Albert open and weather the storm inside him like a tauntaun from Star Wars. (yes I had to look up the spelling)
by willster on Aug 8, 2011 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Great argument about space heaters on a Skins blog but....
He said “space eaters”!!! As in a 3-4 DL is a “space eater” (they are used more to get the OL so the LBs can make plays)! On a side note….do you know how dangerous space heaters are not to mention good luck finding one energy star compliant! Stop killing the planet!
I am ready for some Redskins mother f&%$ing football!!!!
I'm not sure I follow you...
Are you saying Redskins fans shouldn’t use space heaters? I mean, I know there are some dangers (as with all appliances I might add), but responsible use of a space heater can ensure that all Redskins fans have a warm and safe winter!
by Gringo Starr on Aug 9, 2011 7:39 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I like the 40% prediction on Kelly
If he can stay healthy he will be one of the top run blocking WR’s in the whole league and that is huge w/ the Zone Blocking Scheme. Shanny raves about his blocking and the man has hands, but he does need to get on the field. If he is ready by week 2 of pre-season he will have 3 games to make the team. If he isn’t ready by week 2, I would drop the likelihood of making team to 5%
Joe "Jake" Jacoby for the Hall of Fame!
What's Better
Landry limping through 16 games this season just to be on the field and having to spend all next off season trying to heal , or Landry easing his way back in this season, to be 100% next season. An Achilles injury takes months to heal properly, so I would rather have him miss most of this season than miss any next season or have this turn into a lingering problem, and it isnt a lingering problem yet, just healing normally. But if he rushes back, hurts it again or even worse, tears it, he is out for 2 seasons at least. Look, I know we all want to win this season, but have to do whats best for Landry and the team. Look what happened when Lavar rushed back from the knee injury, ruined his career.
And if Taylor Mays is really that good, why is San Fran ditching him after 1 season when they need secondary help and why have the 31 teams in the league said no thank you to a trade?
Seems to me
that Achilles injuries are a 12 month heal time. Looks like the team is being smart and playing it safe with him. They aren’t going to bring him back until the know he is ready.
Formerly KS and CS
by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Aug 8, 2011 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions
I want Landry and Mays
49ers have a new administration, and they are electing to go with veteran safeties and trade Mays away.
I love Landry and did not want to look for a replacement for him until this achilles situation looked to be a serious concern. Landry has been rehabbing for 9 months, and is still not ready to play. He was diagnosed with microfractures in his achilles tendon – not a good thing. Odd are, this is an injury that will nag and get worse until Landry is forced to undergo surgery to repair the tendon.
He should have had surgery last year, then he probably would have been 100% to start this season. As it stands now, he will most likely miss games this season and will not be as effective as he could be. Also, if he has surgery after the season is over, he will need 9-11 months of rehab before he is ready to go again. And there’s no guarantee he would even come back 100%
Laron happens to be my favorite Redskin, but the team would be smart to have an insurance policy, and Taylor Mays is a talented athlete who has the potential to be elite. If he can be had for a late round draft pick, it makes a lot of sense for the Skins to go get him.
Then use him correctly and use him as Landry’s replacement, or trade him for more than you paid for him.
Achilles surgery is a big deal
With his position, had he had surgery last year he would not be ready, especially considering the lockout. Would have started season on pup. Also a surgery repaired Achilles is never as strong as a good one. If he takes it slow, he could be 100 % by the bye week, maybe midseason. Without surgery he has the chance to heal to as good as pre surgery. Post surgery can never return to as good as pre injury. He takes good care of his body and much more in tune than an olineman or maybe anybody else on the team with as much work he puts in, I think he made the correct decision. 12-18 months is the usual rehab time from serious Achilles surgery, 12 to make it back and 18 to be back to playing shape and close to normal.
Still more valuable in 2012 than 2011. But if he rushes and tears it, looking at least at 2013 til he is back to normal. I thought mays was a good pick, what’s the deal with him? Why is he on his way out?
It's impossible to say
Whether or not surgery would have been the more prudent option for Landry without literally having seen an ultrasound of the injury. I completely disagree with your statements that a post surgery achilles tendon is never as strong. That simply is no longer true. Back when patients were put in a leg cast, this was the case. Now that they use the removable boot, it is no longer true. Obviously, there is no guarantee of a complete recovery of ability and function, but to say it never happens is untrue.
He Could be Very Useful
And if he performs well and we don’t need him next year, we can trade him.
This is the kind of move good teams make, spending a late round pick on a young, highly-talented player with an elite ceiling
Not that
Getting a boner for a player is a bad thing….I had one for Orakpo before we drafted him….still do.
Only if you took Viagra.....otherwise...you are just really horny!!!
I am ready for some Redskins mother f&%$ing football!!!!
Speaking of Boners, have you seen Ron Jeremy lately?
Formerly KS and CS
by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Aug 8, 2011 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions
im not sure how serious SF is about trading him
they would want a lot for a former USC stud who is going to produce a few highlight plays a year
by alwaysremember21 on Aug 8, 2011 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions
this blog needs more carl
even if he’s a GIants fan
"By far the worst performers on the (Redskins) are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
Every year Carl kills it.
Carl’s Stone Cold Lock of the Century of the Week bits were classic.
http://video.adultswim.com/carl/carls-lock-washington-redskins-vs-tennessee-titans.html
You know getting a boner for someone isn’t bad, as long as you know when you should marry them or kick him to the curb….The Redskins need to marry Orakpo, and Landry. Anyone else on the team as of now is expendable.
You can not marry someone you just meet aka the 12 draft picks you need at least 2 years of dating
Really? Really?
I mean, I think Landry is a very good player…. but if we had a viable replacement (maybe, MAYBE, Mays) in house and signed, are you saying you wouldn’t trade him and our first if needed for Luck (or Shanny’s choice) next Spring? We can replace a star safety easier than get a franchise QB.
If we could get Mays cheap, AND he developed into the player he SHOULD be, then I’d be willing to. I know that’s heretical here, but it would be better for the long term for the team.
And is it this year or next that’s Landry’s money year?
No Danny, Nooooooo - Tom Landry, 1982., and Washington Redskins fans, 1999-
Interesting...
but a lot of chips would have to fall into place for this to happen. I can see using all 3 of these playmakers. This is a league for playmakers.
Joe "Jake" Jacoby for the Hall of Fame!
hightower
it wouldn’t shock me if Hightower gets cut before the regular season. He’s fumbled three times in camp. If you were a known fumbler and got traded to a new team, don’t you think you’d be trying extra hard to hold onto the ball early on, to make a good impression? I don’t think he gets it. If he fumbles in the first preseason game, that could be it.
I'm with you
I mean, they gave up a future hall of famer to get him.
Formerly KS and CS
by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Aug 8, 2011 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
WHAT??? CUT???
You have to be kidding me! He is a great pass blocker, our best option out of the backfield and probably going to be our starting running back this season for over half the games. No way he gets cut!
Joe "Jake" Jacoby for the Hall of Fame!
He's a replacement level NFL RB
not sure why everyone is on his jock
"By far the worst performers on the (Redskins) are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
I think he's here primarily as a blocking back
I see him mostly as a 3rd down back to help give some extra time to our QB. I look for and hope for Helu Jr. to take the starting job by mid season. He’ll probably get his share of the carries though when (not if) Torain goes down for a few games or more. Hightower just needs some stickem or something!
He needs a greater sense of urgency about it. One fumble might not get him cut, but what if he fumbles twice in preseason after three fumbles in camp?
In his career he fumbles once every 44 touches, which is worse than Adrian Peterson. It’s a number that puts him on par with the worst ball security RBs in the NFL. The really good ball security RBs fumble once every 150-200 touches. There are 22 RBs in the NFL who fumbled less than once per 100 carries from 2008-2010 and who had more than 400 carries. Portis fumbled once every 95 touches in his career.
If you look at videos of Hightower’s fumbles, they are not all on big hits. He just doesn’t hold the ball that tightly. People will keep going after it. It’s going to be part of every team’s game plan, every week.
Take a look at the last couple of frames here:
http://www.fieldgulls.com/2011/7/30/2276687/seahawks-replay-booth-marcus-trufant-forces-a-fumble
It shouldn’t be possible for someone to pull a ball out, reaching around like that, if the running back is concentrating on ball security. I think some guys who fumble really don’t think it’s their fault. They think it’s a fluke and it will even out. I see him as one of those guys.
One player wraps him up..
The other player punches the ball out. That seems like a pretty standard strip to me. I’d like to think that if fumbling is an issue for him, that Shanahan would spend some time focusing on that. You know, coach him up on what he needs to be coached up on. Even AP finally learned to switch hands so as not to carry the ball on the near side of pursuers. These things can be corrected, if the necessary time is spent. Too bad time is something they don’t have a lot of right now.
If his fumbles alone are reason enough to cut him, then I don’t see why we would have ever traded for him in the first place. It’s not exactly a well kept secret. But you can bet money that Shanny will talk to him about it.
Redskin Nation talked to Bobby Turner, RB coach
and he is apparently very good at teaching backs to not fumble. Evidently he is good at it, because the Skins didn’t fumble much last year. He might be able to help Hightower get over his fumbleitis.
I hope so
Hightower has a lot going for him. Unfortunately, the number of fumbles he’s had is even more striking when you realize he’s only been carrying the ball around 150 times per year. Portis got the fumbler knock back when he had 6 with around 300 carries.
I'd like to see Grossman/Beck be the first one into the facility and the last one to leave
similar to how a midnight run to Taco Bell leaves you MIA from your desk for a good portion of the next work day..
any takers?
by Dammit Cerrato... on Aug 8, 2011 5:49 PM EDT reply actions
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