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Redskins Round Table - Position Battles

Welcome back for our second installment of "Redskins Round-table", this weeks topic question is : We all know that Mike Shanahan enjoys competition at every position, thinking along those lines, which position battle is the most intriguing to you and how do you see that battle playing out?

Ken

I am most looking forward to the battle for the inside linebacker spot during the preseason. I want to know if Lorenzo is going to be ready to get in there next to London in week one or if McIntosh or Perry Riley has what it takes to earn the job. The 3-4 transition is still in full swing, and will not be settled until we have 4 linebackers that all know their jobs and can execute without a lot of hesitation. Besides that, you all know how much I love a good kicker battle.

If history serves us correctly, then Gano will win the kicker competition in a landslide and then promptly miss five of his first eight.

HTTR4LIFE

The battle for position along both the defensive and offensive lines should be hotly contested through the preseason, but I believe the most intriguing position battle will in the interior part of the offensive line. It appears at this point that Will Montgomery, Sean Locklear, Artis Hicks, Kory Lichtensteiger and Chris Chester will battle for those 3 spots. More than likely, Montgomery will get a shot at center and Chester at right guard leaving Lichtensteiger, Locklear and Hicks to battle it out for the left guard; Locklear has more experience on the line after starting for multiple seasons at right tackle, but he has not played guard before professionally and is also new to Shanahan’s zone blocking scheme.

I see Montgomery playing center, Chester playing right guard and I am still not decided on left guard but I believe that position will come down to if Locklear can learn the system fast enough and how well Lichtensteiger and Hicks perform in the preseason. 

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Steveo26

I think the most intriguing position battle will be at left guard. While the positional battles at quarterback, running back, and wide receiver, might receive more press, whoever wins those battles won't matter too much if the Redskins aren't strong at left guard. Right now it looks like a three-way battle between the incumbent Kory Lichtensteiger, Artis Hicks, and newcomer Sean Locklear.

Kory Lichtensteiger: He is a former Mike Shanahan draft pick, and was installed as a starter over Derrick Dockery last season. Lichtensteiger might have the initial advantage going into camp, but he struggled mightily last year and needs to make huge strides this season. 

Artis Hicks: Hicks has been a solid backup lineman for years in the league, but he struggled for the Redskins last season. His experience playing guard gives him some credit, but at best he appears to be an average lineman.

Sean Locklear: Locklear was just signed by the Redskins this past week and has never played guard in the pros, but he is the most talented lineman of the bunch. Locklear is a really good pass blocker and has the athletic ability to fit the zone blocking system. Locklear has to prove he can play inside, but he has the most talent.

I don't know if this will be determined by opening day, but I think talent will win out in this battle and Sean Locklear will be the Redskins left guard this season. 

Kevin

Most intriguing battle to me is Right Guard - only because it is directly affected by the Center position. If Will Montgomery gets pushed around at Center, then does Chris Chester move over? Who takes the RG spot then? Hicks? There was more pressure up the middle last year than I care to remember and with essentially multiple backup caliber players vying for starting spots, I'm looking to see who steps up.

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Wow

I thought i was going against the grain in picking the offensive line, but apparently we are all (except Ken) of the same mindset

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by Steve Shoup on Aug 8, 2011 10:47 AM EDT reply actions  

yea

I’d like to change my answer to the punter battle. Can Sav Rocca’s mental game overcome his physical game.

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by Kevin Ewoldt on Aug 8, 2011 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

haha

The kicker spot grabs my attention some…do you view Graham as an upgrade from Gano? Who do you think wins that battle?

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by HTTR4LIFE on Aug 8, 2011 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think he might be a minor improvement

I don’t think Gano will be as bad this year, but Graham will be slightly better, and I’m guessing he wins out.

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by Steve Shoup on Aug 8, 2011 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think Graham is there to push Gano to be better,

with Gano’s age and talent, I feel there is no way they go Graham if its close.

by Toosy_13 on Aug 8, 2011 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

age really shouldn't be a factor when it comes to kickers

sure Gano is cheaper, but if Graham can make more FG’s that is all that really matters.

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by Steve Shoup on Aug 8, 2011 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Monty at LG?

has he been taking reps there or what made you say that?

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by travisjh86 on Aug 8, 2011 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

you might be right for starting the season (knowing that you meant Licht)

but I think Locklear will win out. The Redskins need to play their 5 best o-linemen and we have got to hope that Brown has a great comeback (i’m not banking on it, but i’ll hope). Locklear could fit in well at LG.

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by Steve Shoup on Aug 8, 2011 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

Anybody know of any links to watch the 1st preseason game?

I’m in NC and the game will not be televised here.

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by iH8dallas on Aug 8, 2011 10:58 AM EDT reply actions  

I’ll be on the look out for one myself since it looks like I am going to be stuck in NC this weekend as well.

Try this spot out -—> http://www.firstrowsports.eu/sport/american-football.html

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by HTTR4LIFE on Aug 8, 2011 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

people post the link in the game thread

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by Kevin Ewoldt on Aug 8, 2011 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

good to know, nothing worse than being stuck watching ESPN game-center because I cant find a link.

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by HTTR4LIFE on Aug 8, 2011 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

LOL

If I can’t find one I tend to just stick with Sonny and Sam and watch the game-center for stat breakdown.

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by HTTR4LIFE on Aug 8, 2011 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah

If anyone can find that out, that would be great. I have direct TV, and have CSN East, and the games are on the schedule, but are always blacked out. Anyone know why?

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by Tiller56 on Aug 8, 2011 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I know

but I love to see them live.

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by Tiller56 on Aug 8, 2011 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree.....

While I was in NC, would go to my sisters to watch Monday Night Football occasionally (my bro in law has a 60 something inch hi def TV) and they would wait till about 9:45 to start the game so they could FF through the commercials. I must have looked like crackhead waiting on a fix for that 45 minutes.

by MagicHat on Aug 9, 2011 12:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

if you can't see it friday night...

Nfl network is running the rerun saturday afternoon

by ptowny on Aug 8, 2011 12:52 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Nobody picked Beck vs. Grossman???

Two things Washington DC loves is a QB controversy and whoever is the Backup QB…

And here we have a QB “competition” between 2 Backup QB’s for the chance to start!!!

by preppiejack on Aug 8, 2011 11:11 AM EDT reply actions  

Clemmons

will start games this season. Book it.

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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Aug 8, 2011 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

From the stand point of continuity Montgomery would be the RG next to Jammal Brown. If the Team is playing

the best five OL it would be T. Williams, Locklear, Chester, Montgomery, and J. Brown. Chester would not be the center initially because he would not have the Shanahan ZBS absorbed well enough to call the blocking assignments, but in that case Montgomery is the center and Chester the RG. Alex Gibbs was at Seattle in the 2010 preseason, but decided to retire. Locklear would have had some exposure to that ZBS and Shanahans’ ZBS is actually Gibbs’ scheme. While there has been some mention of Locklear at the TC no mention has been made of the position he was working at. One thing Steve does not mention is that Brown played through his hip injury in 2008. It is too much to expect him to return to his pre-injury form, yet it is possible that he could pick up some from his end of 2010 season play. It is also very likely that T. Williams will take it up a notch at LT in 2011.

The ILB is interesting in that the Team knows that they will need two new players at the position in the near future. Keyaron Fox was a starter for 4 games with the Chiefs in 2006 and 3 games with the Steelers in 2009. His Steeler experience would have been as a 3-4 ILB. The Skins’ linebacker coach was with the Steelers at that time so he knows Fox’s ability. Rocky McIntosh has started more games at 3-4 ILB, but was not considered a good fit by some commentators. Perry Riley was an OLB at LSU, has very good speed, i.e., 10 yard split, but his pro experience at ILB is nil. All this leads me to believe that Fox has a good chance at being the Skins’ ILB starter next to Fletcher.

by Jefferson1935 on Aug 8, 2011 11:35 AM EDT reply actions  

Is there no chance Capers steps up to LG?

I think he has the talent, maybe next year over this year but I’m hoping he could be a fixture for many years alongside Trent.

by Toosy_13 on Aug 8, 2011 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

he's struggling so far

I hope he plays well enough to earn a backup role, b/c i think the potential is there, but yeah that appears to be the best case scenario for him.

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by Steve Shoup on Aug 8, 2011 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

examples?

is he just getting torched by nobodys on the DL? is it his footwork? comprehension? pass/run blocking? etc.

Ive heard he is struggling, but no mention of what speciifically he is not doing well with.

Could be that you mean all of these things. If thats the case, my apologies. Just always looking for as many informed opinions as I can find!

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by SkinsaneAsylum on Aug 8, 2011 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

John Keim @ Washington Examiner has said he's struggling mightliy in 1 on 1's

Mainly struggling with technique and leverage. Just not winning his battles

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by smutsboy1 on Aug 8, 2011 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

i've read that he has been beat in both 1 on 1's and team drills, usually from either Campbell or Keim

It sounds like when he faces higher level competition he is just overmatched. Some has been when lined up at G, so it could be he isn’t comfortable yet.

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by Steve Shoup on Aug 8, 2011 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think continuity is overrated

you play your 5 best o-linemen and allow them to grow together. I think it will be Monty at center and Chester at guard, b/c that is probably their best fits.

You are right about Brown, but unfortunately they paid him to return to his pre-injury form. And I just don’t see it. I also don’t see how his performance was good at the end of the season with the exception of ending on a good note against the Giants.

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by Steve Shoup on Aug 8, 2011 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

My favorite position battles to watch this preseason will be:

Nickle CB – I curious to see how Barnes playes, and give the 4 game suspension of Buc, will Barnes solidify himself as our nickle CB, even when Buc returns. I’m also looking to see if Barnes can overtake Wilson for a starting spot.

WR – This one I believe will be interesting. We have 2 guys(3 if you want to count Kelly), who have experience with this offense. I’m curious to see how long it takes to develop the natural talents of both Hankerson and Paul to gain valuable playing time. I’m also interested to see what the hell happens to Kelly. I believe he can be a valuable contributor if he’s healthy, but as we see yet again, he’s missing valuable reps in camp. Hopefully he recovers in time to play against Pitt.

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by Tiller56 on Aug 8, 2011 12:06 PM EDT reply actions  

WR was the position i first considered writing up

Moss is the lock, but who will be the other starter. Will it be the vet. Gaffney, the incumbent Armstrong, the 3rd rounder Hankerson or apparently one of the most impressive players so far in Paul.

Until Kelly is on the field he isn’t a consideration, unfortunately

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by Steve Shoup on Aug 8, 2011 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Feel pretty disappointed about Kelly

With so much time to recuperate between going on IR last year and the start of camp this year, he really has no excuse not to be healthy and ready to earn his spot. This foot injury does not bode well for his chances of staying with the team.

by willster on Aug 8, 2011 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just imagine if he gets cut now

and catches on with another team, and goes on to be impactful. We’ll be kicking ourselves in the arse.

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by Tiller56 on Aug 8, 2011 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe

but i could stomach it since we have been trying to give him a chance for 3 years. If he cant stay healthy and he catches on somewhere else, good for him. Nothing more we could have done.

I heard him two weeks ago talking about how great he feels and how he doenst even have to think about injuries since he has been healthy since mid-way through last season, while already on IR.

I feel for him. I think he has a boat load of raw talent.

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by SkinsaneAsylum on Aug 8, 2011 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'd rather cut Austin or Banks

as bad as that may sound now. They provide very little to the offense. Kelly, at least give us height and size. We have enough little guys running around out there.

I know, I know,………………he just can’t stay healthy. I keep wrestling with that in the back of my mind.

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by Tiller56 on Aug 8, 2011 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Looks good getting off the bus

As they say: Looks like Tarzan, plays like Jane.

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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Aug 8, 2011 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm all for Kelly, but he hasn't been able to stay healthy

But even when he is healthy, he is not particularly fast, and is apparently not able to get open consistently. Whether that is poor route running or lack of moves, I don’t know. Could be the same problem as Brandon Lloyd and Devin Thomas (Brandon apparently learned, Devin did not).
     He could still be fine because of his size and good hands, but he has a lot of competition (surprisingly) – he has to beat out four of Moss, Gaffney, Armstrong, Hankerson, Stallworth, Paul, Austin and Robinson (man, that’s a much better group than we had last year). .

by Donnio1234 on Aug 8, 2011 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why cut him untill they have to?

Untill they have to cut the roster size down, there’s no reason NOT to continue to give him a chance. He may still surprise us.

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by Mr PotatoHead on Aug 8, 2011 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, you guys are very boring(haha)

with all this O-Line/D-Line talk. Fans don’t want to hear all that. They want some excitement to this team. They want a star. We lack a star. Talk about someone who could potentially bring some fireworks to a soggy team.

(this in my really dumb, slow southern voice…..), Uh, yea, I really like the, um, the battle going on at, um, left and right guard…….um……..it will be, like, um, fun to watch in preseason…………..and the back-up tackle spot really interests me too. I can’t wait for 5 years down the road, um, like, when our backup tackle can be a starter………

You know I just bustin chops Steveo!

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by Tiller56 on Aug 9, 2011 8:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

Roy Helu vs. Tim Hightower vs. Ryan Torrain

Torrain is hurt so I think he is OUT.
Hightower is good but FUMBLES.
Helu is my pick to be starting horse against the Giants.

by jmpalomo on Aug 8, 2011 12:39 PM EDT reply actions  

if Helu is ready to start by week one i would consider it a miracle. tough for him since its a shortened offseason.

i see him getting touches week 1, but being the legit starter might be a reach.

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by SkinsaneAsylum on Aug 8, 2011 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

if any position can start a rookie, it's RB

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by smutsboy1 on Aug 8, 2011 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

I heard on ESPN980 that Horatio Blades is possibly Cut

I hope this means we signed Tatupu to play the other inside linebacker spot.

by jmpalomo on Aug 8, 2011 12:54 PM EDT reply actions  

You really need me to sit in on this round table

When I post in threads the replies flock like the salmon of Capistrano…oh it’s true, it’s true

by Obey on Aug 8, 2011 4:43 PM EDT reply actions  

Well here it is...

Ken – Like really? the ILB spot next to London??? That should be Perry all day. Lorenzo is slow and old and McIntosh had his chance and blew it. I don’t even know why we signed that bamma. If its not Perry then forget about the youth movement. And when was the last time Shayne missed a in game field goal. Now compare that to Gano. Another stupid move if we decide to go with Gano. Graham never really sucked as a kicker BTW…check his stats…he is one of the best

HTTR4Life – good answer, good battle…I hope some young guys win it and if some old guys win then hopefully we can draft a young interior lineman next year and have him be apart of the line with Trent for 8+ years…

Steve O – Look we didn’t ask for a history lesson for every player. You should just get to the point and leave out all the extra stuff. And the great pass blocker, horrible run blocker wins a job in the interior part of the line….not going to happen Last week you strayed away from the main topic. This week you go too far into detail…one more and you shall be impeached from the roundtable.

Ewwoldt – Great, another interior lineman battle. BORING!!!!

HTTR had the best one, but all you guys missed. Look at how many comments you have for this round table. There is nothing intriguing about a offensive line battle. The most intriguing battle is at the WR position. We all thought Leonard Hankerson was the greatest thing since sliced bread, but it is looking like our other young whippa snappa in Niles Paul is th emost impressive WR out of the rookies and free agents. Running back is also a fun battle to watch.

You guys got stuck on trying to say the right thing when really you are supposed to liven the board up a bit about talking about the fun stuff…not some damn offensive line….

by ATLredskin on Aug 8, 2011 10:45 PM EDT reply actions  

wow...

So the Redskins should just give the job to Perry Riley who was so amazing last year he was inactive for most games and only got on the field for 8 plays?

Yeah those two line history lessons on every player must have been real hard to get through….you wrote more in this response than I did. Who do you think will win the LG position?

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by Steve Shoup on Aug 9, 2011 9:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

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