Washington Redskin Rebuild--4 Days Without a National Headline

by Ken Meringolo on Aug 3, 2011 11:10 AM EDT in Redskins Camp Journal

I thought three days was a long time. Real quick--

The Carlos Rogers era is over, as Rogers is taking his talents to the West Coast. If I could offer one piece of advice to always remember: Not at the table, Carlos.

Sorry Joe Theismann...Rex Grossman is the starter. As far as Kyle Shanahan is concerned, a hotter girl has agreed to go to the dance with him. He might string along the less attractive John Beck for a little while--just in case. But there is nothing stopping this Rex/Kyle thing from happening. It is funny because they can call it a "quarterback competition" and EVERYONE believes them because...well, because it's Rex Grossman and John Beck. This contest is more fixed than a house at the end of an episode of "Holmes on Homes." (I also considered a Bob Barker/neutered dog joke here.) The fact that we are even talking about John Beck being in this contest is a testament to Mike Shanahan's smoothness.

Finally...I get it Philly. You can have any free agent you want. They all think you're the hottest team. You're turning free agents away. But signing Ryan Harris when you KNOW I wanted him was just...mean. He was the only one I REALLY wanted and you just had to take him. When you guys lose to the Packers in the playoffs, I will be even MORE satisfied now.

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What makes you so sure

Grossman will automatically be the guy? He has spent a few seasons in the system, sure, and Mike’s comments weren’t as reassuring as Beck seams to have taken them. But what makes you think it’s a done deal already? Don’t have a dog in the fight one way or the other, just curious

by Gringo Starr on Aug 3, 2011 11:19 AM EDT reply actions

That John Beck is probably terrible?

"By far the worst performers on the (Redskins) are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins

by smutsboy1 on Aug 3, 2011 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions

probably true

I agree with you smutsboy, but I think you should change your quote.

by HisTToRy on Aug 3, 2011 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions

Well Yeah

But Grossman is a known quantity – there’s no “probably” regarding his terribleness. At least Beck might not be terrible

by Gringo Starr on Aug 3, 2011 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions

I have to agree here

Grossman has a track record of being terrible (inconsistently terrible at best). At least with Beck there is a chance that he is not terrible.

There is absolutely no GOOD reason to believe that suddenly Rex will change and stop turning over the football. He has more experience in “the system” then anyone else, I get that. But he has been a bad QB and we have every reason to believe that he will continue to be bad. Probably not the worst QB in the league, but in any given game you could wisely bet money that he will turn the ball over more times then he will score a TD.

by RobtheRedskin on Aug 3, 2011 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions

John Beck is terrible just like Kurt Warner was, Tony Romo was and a host of other No Name QB's that just needed a Shot.

by jmpalomo on Aug 3, 2011 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions

Ha

those few examples do not mean that all unknown qbs are destined for greatness

by CommunistKevin on Aug 3, 2011 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions

You named two. I could name literally 2,000 who failed.

Should we keep going?

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by smutsboy1 on Aug 4, 2011 9:47 AM EDT up reply actions

The Eagles

Bandwagon is growing by the minute, thankfully titles are not won on paper and they are just plain not won at all in Philly.

Hail to the Redskins! Catch me on Twiiter @HTTR4LIFE

by HTTR4LIFE on Aug 3, 2011 11:19 AM EDT reply actions

Probably the same "fans" that were cheering for the Saints.

"If a man speaks and there is no woman around to hear him, is he still wrong???"

by ThuGodfather on Aug 3, 2011 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions

You mean everyone outside the city of Indianapolis?

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by Parks Smith on Aug 3, 2011 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions

plus me

I didn’t mind the Saints though that “Who Dat” chat got quite annoying at the game that year

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by Steve Shoup on Aug 3, 2011 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions

I mean the same "fans" who showed up at our stadium

All wearing brand new Saints jerseys and couldn’t name anyone on the roster besides Brees and Bush.

"If a man speaks and there is no woman around to hear him, is he still wrong???"

by ThuGodfather on Aug 3, 2011 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions

C'mon man

PRESEASON hasn’t even started yet. Couldn’t you have at least waited until THEN to smash my Beck fantasies?

by CJHutch on Aug 3, 2011 11:25 AM EDT reply actions

No one has fantasized about Kellen Clemens yet. The Steam Team

by Jefferson1935 on Aug 3, 2011 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions

Is There Anything More Important?

Is there anything more important than rooting for the Eagles to fall on their face and not even make the playoffs this year?

They have made some stunning moves and look stacked and ready for a SB run. This is something I can’t live with. As a Redskins fan, its always great to end every discussion with an Eagles fan with, “Talk to me when your team actually wins a Super Bowl.”

All Redskins fans should pray for the Eagles to fail, to fall short of their push for a championship.

by StephanHart on Aug 3, 2011 11:49 AM EDT reply actions

It Has Been 4 Days Since Our Last Workplace Accident

Expounding on Philly…

Finally…I get it Philly. You can have any free agent you want. They all think you’re the hottest team.

I am entirely convinced that the Eagles are the hot chick in high school that everyone wanted to take to prom. Sure, the picture in front of the mermaid and seaweed seascape will look nice, but later in life it will only bring you pain. She has a shitty attitude, acts like she’s doing you a favor the whole time, talks shit the first time you stumble doing the kid n play kickstep, and will never get you to the promised land.

by Jim America on Aug 3, 2011 12:04 PM EDT reply actions

+1

For the kid n play kick step.

by PAinfUL on Aug 3, 2011 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions

The "Not at the table, Carlos" is one of my favorite HH headlines ever

Also let the Eagles have their fun. We all know how these corronation things usually end.

by SkinsOsTerps on Aug 3, 2011 12:09 PM EDT reply actions

The Pack is my new favorite second team.

by AplastarCraneos on Aug 3, 2011 12:12 PM EDT via mobile reply actions

You can only pick one team and one team only, those are the rules.

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by Parks Smith on Aug 3, 2011 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs

Yeah cut the bullshit.

by TheDeepBall on Aug 3, 2011 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions

What about any team that plays the Cowgirls and the Iggles?

by AplastarCraneos on Aug 3, 2011 12:24 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions

You can root for the 'boys, Eagles and Giants to lose

but you can’t have any allegiance to a team in the sense you want them to win.

by TheDeepBall on Aug 3, 2011 6:27 PM EDT up reply actions

Is it wrong of me to feel mild relief in calling Grossman our starter?

I didn’t know Vinny Cerrato was hired as Eagles GM this offseason. Unfortunately though, I believe Philadelphia has the front office and staff to mold and command these egos into a very successful team. It’s not that I see the names on paper and buy into the hype, it’s that I recognize the stability that franchise has created and maintained. I will not be shocked if they make it to the dance this season.

by Dammit Cerrato... on Aug 3, 2011 12:20 PM EDT reply actions

I think we should all give Beck a fair chance

Watch and wait and then we can judge. Everyone is getting too judgemental on the things he did when he was a kid. With that being said i feel confident in both our QB’s in Grossman and Beck this season because we’ve gotten younger, gotten bigger, more talented, and we’ve had players improve over the season. If our O-line is better then i think Rex will be fine because when he has time you can bet he’ll complete some passes.

by redskinsfan89 on Aug 3, 2011 12:34 PM EDT reply actions

I disagree about the competition

Beck will start on September 11th.

by SSBlitz on Aug 3, 2011 1:04 PM EDT reply actions

Yea right? We are going to name an unrestricted free agent QB who "ONLY' got $1.1million for one year as a Starter

Mike, Daddy, Shanahan is going to give John Beck every opportunity to WIN the Quarterback competition.
Rex will buddy up with Kyle on the sidelines during the game when John Beck is leading the team.

by jmpalomo on Aug 3, 2011 1:09 PM EDT reply actions

Being Chosen by the Offensive Coordinator gets you on the team, but being Chosen by the Head Coach gets you to be the Starting Quarterback.

by jmpalomo on Aug 3, 2011 1:14 PM EDT reply actions

In genera, I root for 4 teams each week

The REDSKINS (duh)

and whoever is playing against Dallas, Philly, and NY. When our NFC east rivals are playing each other, I root for a meteor to strike the stadium.

This year, I might actually have to root for Dallas and NY in their games against Philly.

Nah, I’ll stick with the meteor.
GO METEOR!!!

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by Mr PotatoHead on Aug 3, 2011 1:18 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs

Rex's contract - a million plus for one year - is surprisingly low

Sure suggests that they look at him as a backup.

by Donnio1234 on Aug 3, 2011 1:18 PM EDT reply actions

Grossman will start

First off all the shanahans said was beck will get a chance. They said this while he was the only qb under contract besides Donovan. Nowhere did they ever say he would be starter. People have over blown that because they are dumb. Rex will beat him out fairly anyway. Also the reason Rex salary is low is because he had no other options. He would have been a backup anywhere else so why should we pay him as a starter when he won’t get anymore money with another team and at least he has shot to start here.

by CommunistKevin on Aug 3, 2011 1:28 PM EDT reply actions

yes

Saying Grossman is not the starter will only push each one more. We all know it’s Grossman’s job to lose.

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by Kevin Ewoldt on Aug 3, 2011 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions

Kevin - I don't know that "we all know it..."

but I rather agree with you. Rex has more experience, John is likely to have some troubles early, one way or another. I like Rex’s attitude. But it’s really anybody’s guess right now.

by Donnio1234 on Aug 3, 2011 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions

Plagiarist

Also the reason Rex salary is low is because he had no other options. He would have been a backup anywhere else so why should we pay him as a starter when he won’t get anymore money with another team and at least he has shot to start here.

I said this in another post the other day, and you jumped down my throat. Now that you have climbed outta my throat to repeat my words, I hope you feel like puke.

by CJHutch on Aug 3, 2011 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs

No

i meant he had no other options of higher salary or starting. Haha I thought of you as I wrote that and was worried it would seem like i was saying what you did

by CommunistKevin on Aug 3, 2011 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions

All good

You’re not the first, and you won’t be the last person who wants to imitate me. I’m flattered.

by CJHutch on Aug 3, 2011 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions

But you are wrong

you are still always wrong about anything rexy. And i still did not say what you accuse me of saying. Glad that I am helping your self esteem rebuild

by CommunistKevin on Aug 3, 2011 7:28 PM EDT up reply actions

Your words today

Also the reason Rex salary is low is because he had no other options.

My words the other day

We are the ONLY team he will EVER get a shot to start on. If not the only team who would even sign him.

And your retort

but man you amaze me again. Rex will sign with a team for sure. Think on your own for once.

The bold words, all yours, sound contradictory. To me at least. And I’m never wrong.

by CJHutch on Aug 3, 2011 9:13 PM EDT up reply actions

Rex signing

I had to laugh when I heard Grossman say he signed for only a year because he wanted to see what happened this season with the redskins, lol. I’d say the skins dictated the one year only deal.

by monkeyhouse on Aug 3, 2011 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions

He said that

because they underpaying him if he is starter. He is betting on himself having a good year so he can sign for more somewhere next year.

by CommunistKevin on Aug 3, 2011 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions

Just recently - when it seemed possible that they would bring in someone else - someone on HH

estimated it would cost $4 million to get Rex. I speculated that Shanahan was hyping Beck to try to cool down Rex so they could get him cheap. I don’t know if that is true, but it seems that they forced Rex to accept a backup’s salary. Poor guy probably did not have many offers, and none as a starter. He apparently has accepted the fact that he is going to have to win the job.

by Donnio1234 on Aug 3, 2011 10:57 PM EDT up reply actions

Beck's job to lose

You have to remember that both Shanahan’s have stated they liked Beck best and would have drafted him ahead of Kolb and a few others. I personally don’t think either of them will be much help, but it does sound like it’s Beck’s job to lose at this point. Theisman seems to agree:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/dc-sports-bog/post/theismann-reviews-john-becks-early-practices/2011/08/02/gIQAYXAipI_blog.html

by monkeyhouse on Aug 3, 2011 5:58 PM EDT reply actions