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Predicting Tuesday’s Redskins 80-man Roster Cuts

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The Redskins have to reduce their roster from 90 to 80 by 4 p.m. ET on Tuesday. According to Redskins.com, the Redskins currently have 89 players on the roster (with two of those on the PUP – LaRon Landry and Kareem Moore), and the dismissal of many of those players are obvious to most informed fans. This, then, is an exercise in grabbing the low-hanging-fruit. Here is a look at which players I see will be the first to be cut:

Clint Stitser (K) – Let’s be honest, Graham Gano has this job locked up, and kicker is not a position that we need an extra body for to prevent injury in the final preseason game.

Malcolm Kelly (WR) – Has been injured since he got here 3 years ago. He hasn’t played this preseason, and the front office isn’t going to pay him the near million dollars it would need to in order to put him on IR again this year.

Matt Gutierrez (QB) – He hasn’t seen action in any preseason game, and unlike Ben Chappell, he isn’t likely to go on our practice squad. Therefore, as the 5th QB on a team whose QB cast looks like a gimmicky replacements team, he is probably on his way out soon.

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Isaac Anderson (WR) – For a team with 10 Wide Receivers on the roster, the rookie with no preseason catches or even a single recorded special-teams’ tackle is likely on his way out. The only way he sticks around is if the coaches intend on putting him on the Practice Squad, and choose to cut a different veteran at another position.

Derek Schouman (TE) or Tony Curtis (TE) – Both are 4 year veterans, but neither really has a chance of cracking the final roster. One may reside until the final cuts just to be a 4th preseason game body, but with Rookie Joe Torchia out of UVA available for those duties as well, at least one of these veterans is very likely to be cut. Important note: none of the three (Schouman, Curtis, or Torchia) have registered a catch this preseason.

Xavier Fulton (RG) – To be honest, there are 15 O-linemen on the roster, and Fulton is the only one that I haven’t heard anything (positive or negative) about coming out of Redskins Park. I also think that given that many of the Tackles on the current roster can play inside at Guard, and since an O-lineman is likely to be cut, I think that Fulton may be the odd man out.

Dante Barnes (CB) – The rookie hasn’t recorded a single tackle through the preseason, and with the shining of Brandyn Thompson (rookie 7th round pick) in practice and in preseason, the "other" Barnes CB is likely to be on his way out of DC.

Edgar Jones (OLB) – The 5th year journeyman probably has less upside in the coaches’ minds than even a rookie like Eric McBride out of Richmond. That along with the bringing in of Thaddeus Gibson, Jones is likely to be cut after registering zero tackles on defense or special teams through the preseason.

 

Jarvis Jenkins (DE) obviously won’t be cut, but he should be moved to the season-ending IR, which would make him not count against the 80-man roster.

I would tend to think that with Jarvis Jenkins’ injury, no other D-Linemen will be cut for the 80-man roster since there was less depth to begin with at those positions versus other skill positions.

Poll
What do you think coaches consider the most in the initial cuts from 90 to 80 players?
Preserving youth for the PS over veterans who would be ineligible if they are of equivalent skill level.
109 votes
Cutting veterans who would be close to making the team, so that they have time to potentially sign on elsewhere.
55 votes
Ridding the team of injury-prone or malcontent players, while preserving competition at their respective positions.
318 votes
Strictly cutting positions with large amounts of depth in order to keep starters healthy and have bodies for the last preseason game.
153 votes

635 votes | Poll has closed

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There may be some bigger name folks who do this,

but in the case of Stallworth, I think he is still competing for a spot. I’m not saying he’s in, but I wouldn’t write him off just yet.

by preppiejack on Aug 29, 2011 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think Stallworth is Out. Terrance Austin makes him dispensable.

Austin takes over the #4 spot which gives Hankerson and Paul time to get better for the 2nd half of the year.

by jmpalomo on Aug 29, 2011 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

What if Gano gets hurt though?

Clint is probably safe. The rest I agree with tho.

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by Kevin Ewoldt on Aug 29, 2011 12:30 PM EDT reply actions  

IMO- Chance that Gano gets hurt <<< Chance that another player does

I think the JJ injury startled the coaches, and if they need expendable bodies that will be in the trenches in place of their starters, I don’t see a second kicker being carried on the roster into game 4.

by preppiejack on Aug 29, 2011 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is why they will wait
Malcolm Kelly (WR) – Has been injured since he got here 3 years ago. He hasn’t played this preseason, and the front office isn’t going to pay him the near million dollars it would need to in order to put him on IR again this year.

If they cut him while he is injured, he gets his full salary, just as if they put him on IR. They need him to be healthy before cutting him to avoid paying his salary.

Formerly KS and CS

by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Aug 29, 2011 12:59 PM EDT reply actions  

This simply isn't true.

I’ve seen this comment floating around HH in recent weeks especially with how this relates to Kelly. But this isn’t true. He’d be owed only part of that salary if cut while injured. Plus, if he were still injured when we have to cut down to 53 in a week, we’d have to do it anyway because he sure isn’t going to be given one of the 53 spots on the roster.

I am currently running OCR text recognition on the Collective Bargaining Agreement that was just signed. It’s 300+ pages, so it’s taking a little while, but I will get you the specific language as soon as I can.

by preppiejack on Aug 29, 2011 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ok, I reviewed the language. To paraphrase:

If cut due to injury, a qualifying player gets 50% of his salary in year 1 (up to $1 mil), and 30% of his salary in year 2 (up to $500k). Malcolm Kelly’s contract is for $555k this year, and he is a UFA next season. Therefore, if the Redskins cut him, they only owe him $277.5k this year.

Furthermore, they only have to pay this for as long as it takes for Kelly to get healthy and practice/try-out for another team. Therefore if he is healthy a month into the season (i.e. 1/4 of the season) then he would get 1/4 of that money, less than $75k.

Kelly IS NOT guaranteed his full salary of $555k. His pro-rated signing bonus which was $1.264 mil over 4 years on the salary cap (or $316k against the salary cap this year) was already paid to him and would likely remain untouchable by the team since he wouldn’t be being released for breach of contract.

Therefore, in summary, cutting Kelly now versus in the middle of the season or whenever he is healthy is not going to cost the Front Office much money- whatever percentage of time of the season it takes for him to get healthy times $277.5k, which is likely to be below $75k in total.

by preppiejack on Aug 29, 2011 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

If anybody else has questions about how the salary cap works,

I recommend downloading the CBA from the NFL Players Association website like I did – a link to the document is here:

http://www.nflplayers.com/Articles/CBA-News/2011-Collective-Bargaining-Agreement/

If you click the text in that link, you can save the 300+ .pdf file. If you have Acrobat, you can run OCR text recognition and then can search the document with the “Find” function.

If you are curious where the injury protection section is- it’s Article 45. Other salary pieces regarding non-football injuries, appeal processes, etc. are scattered throughout the CBA.

by preppiejack on Aug 29, 2011 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good information

and a change from the old CBA, where he got his full salary for the season of injury only.

Formerly KS and CS

by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Aug 29, 2011 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Look at it again

Article 45 relates only to players who are injured as off the end of the prior season. A player has to have been injured for the last game in which his team played for the season of the injury. So a guy like Clinton Portis would qualify going forward.

Article 44 says that someone injured during the preseason gets his salary, and he also gets paid for playoff games if the team makes the playoffs. They can avoid this by using an injury settlement,.

Formerly KS and CS

by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Aug 29, 2011 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

You're right and wrong.

I sited the wrong Article- 44 is more applicable than 45.

However, Malcolm Kelly’s injury is hereditary as he said before- his foot growths run in the family. They are not football related, and Article 44 frees the team from responsibility according to number 4, under section 3 of Article 44.

Also, where in article 44 does it say he gets his full salary? It just says that he can submit a grievance against the team to be reviewed. It doesn’t say anything about the salary being guaranteed that I can see. But maybe I am wrong (this is an awfully long and thick document)- can you site the section more specifically that would guarantee this?

by preppiejack on Aug 29, 2011 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think they could ever show that Malcolm's injuries are hereditary

even though he may have said something like that. Very hard to make any comparison. All anecdotal, at best.

by Donnio1234 on Aug 29, 2011 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Couldn’t they prove that it wasn’t “football-related” at least?

by preppiejack on Aug 29, 2011 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Also, I believe Article 45 still applies because as you stated...
A player has to have been injured for the last game in which his team played for the season of the injury.

And Malcolm Kelly was hurt for not only the last game of last season while under contract, he missed the whole season while being paid.

by preppiejack on Aug 29, 2011 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not sure if it applies retroactively

since this is a new CBA, I think that clause only applies to this season and going forward.

Speaking of hereditary injuries, Jenkins said the other day that both his father and uncle were athletes and had to stop playing due to ACL injuries. Hopefully it was because the surgeries weren’t as good then, and not a sign of things to come.

Formerly KS and CS

by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Aug 29, 2011 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

I highly doubt

that Malcolm Kelly will be cut. The whole reason he isn’t cut yet is because they want him to become healthy again. The reason for this is that if they cut him while injured, he gets paid 100%. If he is healthy…he does not. Malcolm shouldn’t be listed on this list.

He may be one everyone wants to see cut at this point, but in regards to the likelihood…I highly doubt he will be cut by tomorrow.

by DownLowTooSlow on Aug 29, 2011 1:15 PM EDT reply actions  

He would not get 100% of his salary.

See my comment above to ThrowItDownBigMan. He would only be guaranteed part of his salary until he was full healed and this was confirmed by a neutral doctor.

by preppiejack on Aug 29, 2011 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ah I see the language now. Thanks for the clarification

by DownLowTooSlow on Aug 29, 2011 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think they keep the 4th QB around for this preseason game

In case Chappel gets hurt. I don’t expect to see much of the starters or Beck/Grossman, so they need 2 more bodies that can take snaps.

by CarverM on Aug 29, 2011 1:18 PM EDT reply actions  

Beck/Grossman will get at least 1 series each- just as any starter in the NFL. Even if they only got one each, Clemens and Chappel can easily handle 3 quarters of play.

by preppiejack on Aug 29, 2011 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wonder if

We’re gonna give Andre Gurode a look. Would definitely help our depth, although his age is probably a deterrent.

by CJHutch on Aug 29, 2011 1:19 PM EDT reply actions  

beat me to that post...

I’m curious about this also. I think they like the potential of Montgomery, but no true backup. If they can get Gurode for a year or two to really groom Montgomery, then they would have the solid backup they need in Montgomery. I would think this is a real possibility. Would have to see how Gurode does in the ZBS and if he still has the quicks for that role, but 5 time pro-bowler says he must still have something left.

Joe "Jake" Jacoby for the Hall of Fame!

by capdog on Aug 29, 2011 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

I doubt they sign anyone for the OL

unless something really stupid like a Michael Oher getting cut happens.

The coaches and players have been talking about how the continuity and practice are helping improve their zone blocking. And they talk about how they need smaller, more athletic guys to run it. Gurode is old, huge, and built for power blocking, and he hasn’t practiced with the team. Bad fit.

Formerly KS and CS

by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Aug 29, 2011 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nick Cole

would be an option if we need depth at both C and G, and he’s only 26

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by Tiller56 on Aug 29, 2011 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

I hope not. Most Dallas fans (and commentators quite frankly) seem to think Gurode has been making the Pro-Bowl on a reputation he no longer deserves. Combine that with the fact that Dallas cut him because he wasn’t willing to take a pay hit and he’s old as dirt…I don’t see it happening.

by l.pensinger on Aug 29, 2011 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

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by Kevin Ewoldt on Aug 29, 2011 3:27 PM EDT reply actions  

These 8 will not be Redskins tomorrow afternoon

HB Blades-Something tells me that Shanny doesnt like the comments that were made to the media about PT

Xavier Fulton-Exactly for the reasons above

Tony Curtis, Derek Shouman, Joe Torchia-This position is set especially with the flexibility of Sellars knowing the position now

Clint Stitser-Gano has proven himself this preseason

Jeff Stehle-Havent seen him, probably a reason why

Tyrone Grant-Would have been Gutierrez but I believe that Grossman and Beck will each get a quarter of action with Chappell taking the third and Gutierrez taking the 4th.

What are the ramifications of releasing Philip Buchanon, I like the guy for depth but these young DB’s might have pushed him out?

by Bryan Black on Aug 29, 2011 7:18 PM EDT reply actions  

what about Bob??

i think we should give bob sanders a look.. our safeties seem to be hurt and none of the young guys are stepping up…horton was a beast 3 yrs ago and now nothing…

by Ronnie Miller on Aug 30, 2011 10:24 AM EDT reply actions  

dont he get hurt alot also?

or is it he hasnt been the same since he got hurt? he is out there looking for a job for a reason

by munson21502 on Aug 30, 2011 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

too many injuries.

"By far the worst performers on the (Redskins) are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins

by smutsboy1 on Aug 31, 2011 9:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

good movie though....

I have always been a fan of both Bill Murray and Richard Dreyfuss.

by MagicHat on Aug 31, 2011 9:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

blades has been really bad

 he looked really out of shape and sluggish trying to cover against the ravens.

by munson21502 on Aug 30, 2011 10:41 AM EDT reply actions  

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