Initial Notes and Thoughts from Last Night's Game vs the Ravens
by UkRedskin on Aug 26, 2011 1:07 PM EDT
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PrintThis isn't going to be a breakdown like my last couple of posts, which will come later. These are just some things I noticed from last nights game.
DeAngelo Hall showed both his good and bad sides last night. First, the interception:
This where Hall is at his best, playing with a good cushion where he can keep an eye on the QB and break on the ball.
As soon as Boldin sticks his foot in the ground, Hall reads the play and jumps it. Making the INT, and taking it back for 6. (Also, note the good pressure up front from Kerrigan to force a bad throw from Flacco)
But with that aggressiveness, comes the bad side of Hall...
On this play, its 3rd and 7, obvious passing down. Get a stop and force a punt. But Hall, being as aggressive as he is, is searching for another INT. He is reading Flacco, rather than focusing on the man he's meant to cover. When Boldin cuts outside, Hall jumps in.
That miss-read from Hall cost him 5 yards on Boldin. Flacco is much too good to let that slide, and completes the pass for a big gain.
Hall needs to realise the situations, and pick the right time to be aggressive. He doesn't always pick up on the fact it's 3rd down, all he needs to do is cover his man solidly and get off the field. The big play isn't always there for him.
Ryan Kerrigan continues to impress and get better with each game. I was more impressed with his motor on the running plays, he just kept going and didn't stop until the runner was tackled.
On this play, the Ravens are backed up near their goal line. A lot of players would have got excited and tried to stop the running in the backfield for a safety. The result of which usually ends up with the defender bursting through, missing the runner, and leaving a big hole behind him for the runner to run into. What I like about this play, Kerrigan uses a good swim move to get past the tackle, and then comes one on one with the FB.
He gets under the FB's pad level, and uses this advantage to drive him back towards the runner.
You can see in the red circle, that Kerrigan has pretty much beaten his blocker, and stops the runner in his track with a one-arm tackle.
Obviously, Kerrigan still has a lot to work on and improve on. His penalties cost us, and there was still the odd play where he'd miss his assignment. But he is much further along that certainly I, and many others, expected him to be at this stage. This kind of play against the run is something we haven't seen from our star LB Brian Orakpo often enough. But if he has Kerrigan on the other side doing this all day, it will get easier for him as well.
Terrance Austin will make this team. That's my prediction. I think his value as a receiver, as well as being a decent return man, offers more overall than Banks returning ability. Austin may not have the ability to take any and every kick back for a TD, but he is good enough to get us solid field positions most of the time. Then as a slot receiver he offers so much more than Banks.
3rd and 2, Beck needs the first to stay on the field and help his chances of winning the starting job. Austin is running a simple slant route. If executed properly, the slant can be unstoppable. But you need the receiver to break off the defender quickly. Austin gives us a perfect example here.
Austin does a terrific job of getting the defenders hands off him, and cutting inside. He gets open, turns his head round and watches the ball into his hands, getting the first down and more. He's consistently impressed throughout the pre-season, and I don't how he doesn't make the final cut. In my opinion, we carry 6 WR's on the final roster, in depth chart order: Moss, Gaffney, Armstrong, Hankerson, Austin, Paul.
Speaking of Hankerson, here's an actual good catch from him, something we've not seen this pre-season. As Gruden said on commentary last night, being able to catch this kind of ball, but dropping easier ones means he probably has concentration issues.
The only thing I'll do on this post about the QB's, is building on my post about Beck earlier this week. This was a play that stuck out in my mind. Another play-action for Beck, and he was trying to take a deep shot. He never properly sells the play-action.
You can see there that the LB's a paying close attention to the hand-off, and Beck is almost 4 yards away from Hightower on the fake. The Ravens have a great defence, and this certainly isn't going to fool them. The play resulted in a sack. Might just be nit-picking, I don't know, what do you guys think?
Well, that turned out to be a longer post than I planned. Those were the main things I initially noticed from watching the game last night. I'm thinking this week's breakdown will be on the Oline, as I thought they had a very good game against a very tough defence. There was obviously some things to improve on, but I think it would make for an interesting discussion. What do you guys think? Also, who are the contenders for play of the week? let me know in the comments.
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Maybe the key with Hankerson is to throw it in some abnormal spot.
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he catches anything on the sidelines
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by Kevin Ewoldt on Aug 26, 2011 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Bring back McNabb?
or Tebow
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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Aug 26, 2011 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Plays of the game
Well I guess some of the td plays would be pretty easy to pick. The hightower run had amazing blocking and showcased what HT brings to this team.
The pass to moss was vintage sexy rexy and moss.
The bubble WR screen showed some good playing and perfect set up by all involved.
On defense, it’s harder to say without going back over the “tape” aka dvr. I would say maybe one of the sacks. Dhalls int was great but he still pisses me off with all the other weak parts of his game.
Honestly, the defense got shredded last night. There were various reasons why but it wasn’t as dominate as previous games.
The Beat Box aka skins secondary.
Dhalls int was great but he still pisses me off with all the other weak parts of his game.
+1, I was also about to throw my shoe at the TV when he cut back inside on the pick return. At least it worked out.
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Oh man
Yeah wtf was that? He totally could of just sprinted straight down the sidelines and scored. Odd choice but luckily he still scored.
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Yea and I'm saving my shoe throwing for the regular season.
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Thank God
We don’t need any more injuries during the preseason
I was going to say something
about that. I was confused why he cut back inside. But he managed to score, so I cant complain really
I think he figured that he had everyone flowing toward that sideline
so if he cut back toward the field and made one guy miss, then he’d have nothing but real estate between him and the endzone. Didn’t work out that way, but worked out nonetheless.
I thought he was possibly trying to get tackled to give the offense a chance with good field position
Although that is probably wrong.
by Nobetterthenbob on Aug 27, 2011 1:55 AM EDT up reply actions
It gets looked over because he scored,
maybe he was being a good teammate and wanted to give the O red-zone possesion! Or infinitely more likely, running down the sideline and D-unnecessary showoff-Hall tried to take the hard route in
I couldn't believe it either...
The second he cut inside I got pissed. He is so lucky that the defender only got his jersey and didn’t tackle him. As I sit here on the john, I seem to recall that he had a blocker in front of him and only 1 man between him and the endzone, and Hall was basically out of his reach. I remember thinking maybe there was a defender down field that wasn’t visible on camera.
Nope. It was just a bad decision by Hall.
I used to pretty high on him and defended him in conversations, but it really seems like he has more than one bad play for every good play that he has. I was maddened again when he (as someone has already mentioned I think) that instead of wrapping the receiver up, he basically hits him forward 3 yards into the endzone… What?!?!
Parks, I am sorry. I admit that Hall in general is a sucky tackler. I was wrong to defend him.
by RobtheRedskin on Aug 26, 2011 4:11 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
haha no worries
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It is wayyyy easier to just complain though.
by mbedner on Aug 26, 2011 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
haha, at least you're honest
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DHall
Could have contested that touchdown pass. He was right with Lee Evans, and then seemed to give up at the end. Turn, make a move on the ball, jump, tackle the receiver…do something to prevent a touchdown play, especially when you’re right there.
He did seem to give up
He totally let his arms down and I don’t get it at all. I don’t know if he felt his balance go or maybe he thought that the play was basically over? Either way the receiver turning his head around with huge wide eyes peering skyward is a dead give away as a DB to do the same.
He was probably just gassed at that point heh.
The Beat Box aka skins secondary.
Could Have Broken It Up Easily
I think he just lost focus or something, gave up for a second, because he certainly had the energy to try to strip the ball out after Evans had already caught it
It always looks easy.
If it were, then every team would have 5 guys who could’ve broken it up.
Skins rule
by Horcasitas4 on Aug 26, 2011 11:14 PM EDT up reply actions
It's really not.
With the speed of the game, if you turn your head around a second too early, you are dead. If you do it too late, then you have no chance of knocking the ball down. Lee Evens was there, so it was too late for Hall and he probably was looking to just break up the catch.
Skins rule
I'm with Horcasitas4
I think because Evans had gotten past him, Hall’s focus was to make up the ground and try to break it up. If you look just before the ball comes in, Hall puts an arm up in attempt to break up the pass. He just does it too early, or he may have broken it up.
Watched it a second time
And I feel good about this year. Our defense seems be a stingy with the 50 yard line A’s they were the red zone last year. I like that. Gets the opposing offense off the field quickly. Think we need to really watch waiver wire and cuts for ILBs, oline depth and now dline depth. It’s feels really good to be talking about our needs at depth, not starters..
we can talk starters
Still need an ILB, a #1 WR, three Oline, and maybe a QB.
Last nights was the first game shown live where I live. Every time grossman had the ball, I was terrified. He inspires zero confidence. I’m really hoping it’s Beck.
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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Aug 26, 2011 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions
You O-Line Chicken Little's need to let this thing go.
Beginning of the offseason you guys were: “We MUST use our 1st 2 picks on O-Line”
After the draft: “We MUST sign top free agents and Ryan Harris for the O-Line”
Note to everyone: Our offensive line is just fine and the front office has proved that it knows WAY more than anyone on this blog including me (as I was in the MUST draft a QB bunch).
Did you watch last nights game?
The starting Oline has looked okay, but if anyone gets hurt they are completely hosed. Sean Locklear looked like he’d never played before. Even when the starters were in, they weren’t 100% on their assignments. Still a work in progress. Last season they were four starters short of a good line. Now only two or three short, so it’s an improvement.
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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Aug 26, 2011 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions
to put it
In perspective, our O-line situation looks better than Baltimore’s, which is especially nice since we stole Chester from them. I remember thinking how lucky they were with Oher and Gaither, now look at ’em. Gaither is gone, and Oher is being moved back to the right side by a guy they just brought in off the street.
Sure, our O-line is far from perfect, but its SIGNIFICANTLY better than it was before last year.
by CJHutch on Aug 26, 2011 4:14 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
barring injury
they are better. One injury and they are in the same boat with Baltimore.
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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Aug 26, 2011 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions
That would be great
there was one play where they overloaded the left hand side and came through for a sack. To me it looked like a zone blitz and they had several guys who didn’t block anyone at all. Could have been a case of lack of game planning for a specific opponent, but they looked confused.
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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Aug 26, 2011 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Was that the high-snap to Grossman?
I’ll have to watch the game again before doing the breakdown. But my first impression coming away from it was that whoever was in the backfield, after the first possession or two, had enough time to make a throw. They seem to be very comfortable with each other already, especially with the run blocking in the zone-scheme.
It may have been that one
or the one where Beck got sacked, but their was a penalty for defensive holding.
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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Aug 26, 2011 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes, please.
So Oline Breakdown
for this week’s breakdown then?
I think we need a slight reality check about the state of our OL. Yes, it’s better. But it’s definitely still pretty weak inside. I watched Montgomery get blown up multiple times in the 1st half.
You had me at Helu..
That sucks
Though I can only be happy now that the eagles have fewer options on the right side of the line.
Remember everybody who was screaming for Ryan Harris?
That would be Ken. http://www.hogshaven.com/2011/2/18/2001613/redskins-nation-banging-the-ryan-harris-drum
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by Kevin Ewoldt on Aug 26, 2011 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions
haha, you liked him too... I was in the "he sucks" camp, but I think I was the only one.
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I was in the continuity camp,
only wanted Rabach to be cut, and Harris or Yanda if Brown wasn’t resigned! I’m glad that it seems to be working out!
Wow you guys in that camp
were few and far between during the signing period and yet you look really smart right about now.
I think Toosy was the camp, haha
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So far our line does look a lot better than I thought.
Hopefully it’ll continue into the season. I don’t know how someone can say we still need three more starter o-lineman and MAYBE a QB?
Sign me up for one of these PLEASE!
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by Parks Smith on Aug 26, 2011 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Why draft a QB?
we are already stacked at that position. We not only have two franchise quarterbacks, but we have Cellen Klemens…
Every SEC team, haha
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I don't see this as a deterrent or a reason why we shouldn't have signed him.
If brown goes down with a season ending injury in the next preseason and Harris comes back int he middle of the season the argument would swing back the other way. I find it kinda weak.
by Nobetterthenbob on Aug 27, 2011 1:59 AM EDT up reply actions
As fate would have it, Harris is in need of back surgery. The fickled finger of fate worked in favor of the Skins on this one.
On the other hand, Sean Locklear does not give very good tackle depth. He might be better then Heyer.
by Jefferson1935 on Aug 27, 2011 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Solid technique from Kerrigan on that run stop
to wrong-shoulder that fullback. I know defenders are taught this from day-1 in youth football, but you don’t see it executed as often as you should.
Spot on
He took some really nice positions on run downs, and appeared to me to be just as good a run defender as a pass rusher, which is probably an added bonus.
I seemed to notice him alot
being adamant about maintaining outside contain and setting the edge. If only we could get Rocky / ILBs not to get caught up inside or to flow too far, then we’d be set. It seemed too easy for RBs to just cut back inside off of Kerrigan and there would be noone there to support, leaving a nice little running crease around where the tackle used to be.
He will improve the situation for sure
but I think that Fox played significantly better than McIntosh last night.
Blades was out of position
on several plays. I had high hopes for Horatio, but maybe it’s time to move on. Riley needs to step up.
You had me at Helu..
I don't see how we can justify keeping around
someone drafted in 2007 that doesn’t seem to be developing beyond a special teamer. There are rookies that can do that for us, and possibly develop into more.
I have to agree.
At least the rookies have that unknown potential. I had hoped Blades (badass name too) could be a London Fletcher clone. But he just seems to be stuck in mediocrity. No instincts whatsoever.
You had me at Helu..
Plus he showed up out of shape.
He looks like he weighs 300lbs out there and it shows.
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Draft picks
Bottom line it is refreshing to see that many draft picks contributing to the team.
by Aaron Beard on Aug 26, 2011 3:21 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Royster and Robinson are heading for the practice squad express, ALL ABOARD!
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Kerrigans Motor
Is somethin i wish we could inject into every d linemen and backer on our defense. So many times they would penetrate but wouldn’t finish the play strong once they got into the backfield, like when Ricky Williams popped Cofield and gave Flacco time to make a completion you gotta go balls out to the whistle
by BmoreRedskin on Aug 26, 2011 3:32 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Agree, but
On that play, by the time Cofield hit the ground the ball was out. Don’t mistake him for the fish that laid on the ground while Vick was scrambling.
Don't shot the messenger, but
What are ur thoughts on shifting Bryant to back up at DE which opens up a slot for Nield? It’s just a thought.
1) Bryant > Neild right now
2) We haven’t seen anything out of Neild
3) I don’t think Bryant would be a very good DE
4) If Neild goes on the PS then I don’t think anyone is going to think about taking him.
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by Parks Smith on Aug 26, 2011 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'm pretty sure
it’s time to give up a second round pick to play Jason Taylor at the nose.
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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Aug 26, 2011 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
haha, I would expect cuts to be made around the league before we give any DEs a call.
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maybe we could trade
Malcolm Kelly for Jeremy Jarmon.
by CJHutch on Aug 26, 2011 4:20 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
There is an article on that topic by Rich Tandler. Redskins likely looking for DE help after Jenkins injury
http://www.realredskins.com/rich-tandlers-real-redsk/2011/08/redskins-likely-looking-for-de-help-after-jenkins-injury.html
Martin Parker did not get picked up by another team since he was cut early in August. Also Tandler mentions Daniels.
by Jefferson1935 on Aug 26, 2011 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions
It's the NFL GM guidebook
It has two sections:
1) History. A long and lengthy analysis of all the transactions Washington has made since 1999.
2) Implementation. A two sentence guide of how to be a GM. “Ask yourself what would Vinny Cerrato do? Then do the opposite.”
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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Aug 26, 2011 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Got it
Butbwhat about bryant as a backup at DE? He’s listed still A’s a DT.
We need NT depth more than DE, right now
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Yeah, I agree
Jenkins loss hurts, but its not fatal.
by hambonejackson on Aug 26, 2011 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions
D Hall
say what you want about Hall and how bad his coverage can be and i will agree with a lot of it but D-Hall will win the skins game just as he did the first Cowboys game and the Bears game of last year anyone can do that I wan’t on my team.
I agree that...
he has the game-winning ability. He could turn any play into a turnover. However, he has a tendency to be over-aggressive, going for the INT on every play, when as I said in the main post, all he needs to do is be solid in coverage. Hall is perfectly capable of covering good receivers, he just needs to be more thoughtful about when he goes for the INT, and when he tries to just stop a first down.
Any good QB turns Hall into a major liability
Everyone knows you just give hall a double move and it’s a touchdown. Unfortunately, most NFL QB’s are smarter than Cutler.
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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Aug 26, 2011 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
He certaintly impacts the game for both teams.
He gives and he takes.
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I guess he figures
If they’re gonna leave him alone out there, he’s gonna make sure people notice him, one way or another.
No
I don’t think so. I think he’s a little different CB than Revis. It’s like with Champ Bailey. They are very good CB’s, and the guy opposite the isn’t, so why challenge them? Easier to just go to the other side.
Understood
I just remember when DHall was with the Raiders and he was getting ROASTED, while NA was handling his business, but hey DHall is now he’s the Skins No.# 1 CB (sigh)
Like I said
Assy was much better than Hall, so why bother testing him? Hall, I think, is slightly above average cover-wise. But he has some of the best ball skills in the league. I’m surprised he hasn’t been used at receiver. Not since Atlanta, at least.
Other interesting tidbits
- Evan Royster has gotten 0 carries last 2 games
- Gomes got all the action last night. Chris Horton on the outs?
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I'd be fine with Horton being cut
He is pretty terrible.
They seem content to put Royster on the PS. I’m fine with that.
Gomes is another one who has impressed me.
Not just last night, but throughout pre-season. I think he’ll make the team over Horton, yeah. It’s odd Royster hasn’t had a touch, after being given what, 15 carries in the first game. They must not have liked what they saw with him. I’d agree with the general consensus that he’s destined for practice squad.
Maybe they don't want to show other teams Royster...
Keep his value low so he doesn’t get grabbed off the PS.
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Horton was a surprise his rookie season
but has failed to progress beyond that. I’m OK with switching him out for Gomes, who may have a much higher ceiling. He also has Shanahan’s most coveted trait: versatility.
And a nose for the ball.
It wasn’t a coincidence he was the one who jumped on that fumble. That is what he does.
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Royster looked good in the Pittsburg game
I think that they might be worried that if they give him too much playing time, and has a lot of pre-season production, that he will be poached off the practice squad. By not playing him, they’re not giving other teams a chance to get a good look at him.
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by Mr PotatoHead on Aug 26, 2011 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Austin is a better fit
than AAA at slot receiver IMO. He seems better after the catch and more herky jerky going in motion.
by el freako on Aug 26, 2011 4:54 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
i suspect in 3wr sets
Moss will be in slot the majority of the time…he isn’t going deep very often any more…
Your right
Moss has been in the slot most of the preseason in 3 WR sets. He’s very good at the inside crossing routes as a ‘hot’ read in on a blitz, as well as his route running in general, which is extremely important in the slot.
Kevin / Kenny-
You guys better send some swag UKRedskin’s way. This dude is a posting machine. I would recommend at least a 2YR deal and I bet a Redskin’s fanny pack, zubaz, and a Taylor Made hat are well within the budget.
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The HogsHaven Miata
still hasn’t been given away, but I’m not sure how easy it would be to get that across the pond.
Thats an MX-5 to you, UK.
Damn Shame
about Jenkins. Hopefully he’s ready to go next year.
I'm the first to admit when I'm wrong.... except when someone else beats me to it.
by Backhanded Complement on Aug 26, 2011 6:55 PM EDT reply actions
I think it's unlikely they'd take 7.
Who would you take as the 7th? Presumably Banks as the return man? They are more likely to carry an extra DB on the roster to cover for Buchanon’s suspension.
I do not believe that Banks will make the cut.
Banks is an excellent return man and personally I like him. With the new kickoff rules and Austin looking like the real deal that can also handle special teams, why keep Banks. Unfortunately he is too one dimensional as far as position goes. I hope banks gets on some where that needs a guy like him and I hope he is successful.
The new kickoff rules have killed the kick returner position
From what I have seen so far in the pre-season, touchbacks are almost automatic. This takes away half of Banks’ already limited value. I can’t see any reason to justify Banks taking a roster spot over Austin or Paul.
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by Mr PotatoHead on Aug 26, 2011 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions
besides the qb situation
im more concerned about who would win in a fight. laron landry or laynce nix of the nationals….
Now that Landry is full-on SS
And can work out accordingly (more mass/power, less speed), I’d like to see a Landry vs. Jacobs rematch also.
You had me at Helu..
Jordan Palmer released by Cincinnati
Worth a shot?
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