Ten Yard Fight: The Lovable Mike Shanahan, Devin Thomas vs Malcolm Kelly and Tim Tebow a Redskin?
by Ken Meringolo on Aug 23, 2011 2:59 PM EDT
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Print1. New York Giants wide receiver Devin Thomas was making catches in the 4th quarter of last night's game against the Chicago Bears. The race is really on between him and Malcolm Kelly to see who will last the longest in The League. It is amusing to me that both of these players have enough talent to cause teams to think long and hard before cutting them loose, yet neither has contributed in a meaningful way anywhere. And they were both drafted in the same year...in the same round...by the same guy. It is not easy to hit so successfully on such motherlodes of unrealized potential.
2. Do I think Mike Shanahan could find a job for Tim Tebow? Yes. Since the new league rules don't require teams to designate their quarterback rotation, if you are going to have three quarterbacks, why not have two different styles of quarterback on the bench? If you lose two quarterbacks in one game, you are pretty much f'ed anyway. You might as well have a weapon at your disposal. Shanahan and Urban Meyer are boys. Shanny knows about Tim Tebow. I bet he could cook up a package for Tebow to be used in certain situations. I would be shocked if the Broncos dump him but not at all shocked if Shanahan tried to pick him up for nothing. That said, I don't see the value in us carrying three quarterbacks if Clemens is the third. I actually like Clemens and think he is a decent backup, but that is a valuable spot on our roster. That could be Brandon Banks' spot. That could be Donte Stallworth's spot. If we aren't going to carry some kind of athletic, run-first quarterback for special packages, I say we just ride with Rexy and Beck.
3. The violence after the San Francisco 49ers/Oakland Raiders game got me thinking: Could that happen in the parking lot at FedEx? I honestly don't think so, though I suppose there is no such thing as being 100% on that. I very much enjoy getting into it with the opposing team's fans but I am the first one to say "good game" at the end. Our tailgates at FedEx are generally friendly (the Dead Tree boys can be a little rough, but they are part of the parking lot family.) While I know they are reacting to the situation out west, I hate the proposed rule about shutting down tailgates when the game starts. So many parking lots around the league are the sites of all-day parties. And when the team is out of the playoffs, extending the tailgate a little is a time-honored tradition. Here's hoping that rule does not head east.
4. Fantasy football drafts are in full swing. The highest drafted Redskin in a draft I was just in: Santana Moss. No surprise there. What did surprise me was that somebody in the league drafted the Washington defense as a starting unit. I happen to know that this person is not a Redskins fan. I can't get this out of my head. I might not be there yet myself, but the idea of this unit being among the top 12 in the league is growing on me. Then again, I am a big, dumb idiot.
5. Mike Shanahan carefully balances between being an all-knowing, all-seeing, lovable guru and a manipulative smartypants. The truth is, if he wins, I don't really care. But the hubris this organization has demonstrated over the years--FOR NO REASON WHATSOEVER--is hard to move past on some days. I would like to see Shanny lean more towards lovable myself, but more than anything, I would just like our pride and arrogance to have legitimate roots.
6. Does the fact that every team has roughly 90 players on it make it easier or harder for organizations to work trades right now? I would think that with so many players set to hit the market in the next couple weeks, it would behoove teams to try and work out deals to bring in that 52nd or 53rd guy before they have to compete with the rest of the league to sign them. That said, it is also likely that with that many players on the roster right now, coaches are content to pick their team from the players they see in front of them. If I am Bruce Allen, I am trying my hardest to move a role player or two right now for absolutely anything I can get in return. Who would you trade if you were Bruce?
7. Graham Gano is following in the long line of kickers/punters in this town who destroyed all preseason competition prior to ending a head coach's career. Let's hope he breaks from tradition and carries this success into the regular season.
8. Which would you buy first: a #26 Portis jersey or a #26 Helu jersey?
9. I am no X's and O's genius when it comes to defenses, but even I am amazed at what I am seeing out of Perry Riley. He looks so fast and strong and--at least to my untrained eye--he really seems to have stepped up his mental game. His development has been one of the most pleasing parts of the preseason for me.
10. I said it already in a Roundtable, but Leonard Hankerson needs to make the most of the next two weeks. It appears he will soon be buried on the depth chart and as such, will see limited reps in practice come September. He needs to take another step or two before that happens. Come on Hank the Tank!
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If I were Bruce
I trade Banks, preferably for a 5th or 6th. Sorry Banks fans, but it’s time to move on.
by TheDeepBall on Aug 23, 2011 3:18 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
If a team made an offer for Banks and sent us a 5th rounder...
We would have to think long and hard about it for sure. Not sure we are in the position to turn that down.
by Ken Meringolo on Aug 23, 2011 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions
If we're able to get anything for a guy we picked up off the UDFA market
we are winning. I wouldn’t be willing to let him go for a 7th though.
A 5th would be amazing.
That 5th will hopefully be used in trade ups for a QB.
by Andrew DeFrank on Aug 23, 2011 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions
If I were Bruce
I’d trade Cooley for a conditional draft pick, depending on how much he plays. He has more value than Banks I think and we are stacked at the TE position.
"Leave town Cerrato, If you come back you're a dead man!"
Did he really?
That’s cute. I hope we trade Davis then.
by Andrew DeFrank on Aug 23, 2011 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions
that would be ideal
Unfortunately, there’s no trade value there either. Just like usual, we think more of our talent than the rest of the league. Davis has done diddly-squat in this league, save for a few games at the end of a lost season. We’d be lucky to get a 5th rounder for him.
Good ole Vinny. He always found new and adventurous ways to waste draft picks.
by CJHutch on Aug 24, 2011 1:47 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I'd consider it too.
Then I’d write it down on a piece of paper and burn it b/c Cooley has little trade value, yet has lots of value to us as a player.
"By far the worst performers on the (Redskins) are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
I agree
I don’t think we’re in a position as a team to start trading away our proven talent. If we trade Cooley our TE position goes from a relative strength to pretty thin. We’d be an injury away from having an UDFA from last year starting. No thanks.
I would be shopping Sellers and HB Blades, though.
they seem to be hoarding TEs - sort of odd
I just read the article on Joe Torchia from UVA – I really root for the guy. They also have (aside from the vets) Tony Curtis and Derek Schouman – all having pretty good credentials. You have to wonder if they don’t plan on using one of the vets as trade bait.
WOW
FINALLY, someone thinking straight. Exactly what I’ve been saying all along. People want us to “be like New England and Pittsburgh” by trading our best players away. The problem is, those teams were already good before they started doing that.
We’ve gotta get there first. Maybe we’ll be good enough to trade our best players by the time Orakpo is almost 30.
by CJHutch on Aug 24, 2011 1:37 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I couldn't
Agree more, but I don’t see how that relates to getting rid of one of your 2 or 3 best players, especially when the guy behind him has done squadoo.
I thought the rest of that statement would be inferred from the conversation,
but I meant that we need to be deep at every position before we start thinking about trading away players Belichick-style.
Some good players will get cut in a few days. For the Team this is a good problem indicating that they are getting
some depth.
by Jefferson1935 on Aug 24, 2011 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions
I completely agree
But a player like Sellers, or even Torain, doesn’t compare to a player like Cooley. Ny point is, when you’re trying to become a legitimate contender, you don’t get rid of your best players.
Davis
Isn’t ready to fill Cooley’s shoes, if Chris is healthy, we still need him.
by Jedi Mind Kicks on Aug 24, 2011 8:18 AM EDT up reply actions
No on Tebow as a QB
If he wanted to be a fullback or a TE and you could get him for nothing, sure thing. I live in Denver, so I see all the Tebow coverage. If he wasn’t a first round pick last year, they would already have cut him. He doesn’t know the offense, doesn’t know where to go with the ball. He’s not anywhere near ready to be an NFL QB and almost certainly never will be.
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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Aug 23, 2011 4:40 PM EDT reply actions
Tebow - how could he regress so fast?
You know, sometimes a person tries so hard, studies so hard, he starts stressing, screwing up, not meeting inflated expectations, then stressing more, and things go downhill, and he gets on a s**t list. Denver dumped him almost immediately, but they have a history of making bad personnel decisions – note Cutler, Orton, Marshall and others. It could be that a change of scenery would help Tim a lot. He is, by all accounts, a dedicated, smart, hard working and talented guy, with none of the character concerns of Pryor and Young.
Regress...?
He didn’t regress. He was simply never what you were told he was. ESPN blew him totally out of proportion. Tebow was a fantastic college football athlete, but had he played in a pro-style system in college, he wouldn’t have been drafted in the first three rounds. He just doesn’t have that skillset. We don’t need any more FBs or TEs right now, so we have no use for Tebow.
by tuckwell on Aug 24, 2011 1:08 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I think everyone was shocked he went so high in the draft, espn included......
they just jumped on that bandwagon, try to make him a media superstar before he even played a down of NFL football.
Everyone knew he was a project
but the #1 thing got in his way. Had he gone in the 5th, then he would be given 2-3 years to sit back and learn how to be an NFL QB without the added pressure. Daniels really screwed him with the draft. Good thing he made first round QB money (I assume) in his contract, because it may be all he ever earns in the NFL.
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That's probably the answer, but Denver did draft him high, and after looking at him for a year,
thought he was going to be their starting QB. Then, almost within days, decided he was not a good QB, or had a long way to go anyway. That smacks more of politics and personality – or somebody overruled somebody – rather than real on field performance. The article I read did mention one flaw – that he was extremely slow in getting the ball from center – literally a step or two slower than other QBs – but that seems odd – how could he be so slow learning a basic skill that almost every high school kid masters as a freshman (and he was said to be working on for years)? Another point was that he was terribly slow at learning to read defenses (which I don’t think was the knock on him in previous years). That would be extremely important, but didn’t they notice that all of last year? And Tim is supposed to be smart – how can he be so bad at it? These negatives sound more like somebody justifying their choice, rather than real defects. Furthermore, the article itself seems very biased, jumping on Tim and exaggerating his problems – gloating by somebody who was always down on him. Biased against Tebow like many sportswriters are biased against the Redskins.
I think the truth is somewhere in between. He is probably not as good as Orton as a QB right now (a pretty high standard), but still a promising player. So if we can get him cheap, he could be worth a look. I’d rather try him than Pryor.
Are you forgetting
they had a coaching change and the lockout?
The current group of coaches never worked with him until training camp opened. When it opened, they got to see for the first time what they were dealing with. They saw that Orton is light years ahead of Tebow.
Why are you so interested in defending him? Florida fan? He’s not any good.
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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Aug 24, 2011 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions
I hope the Tebow part is in jest?
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Yes, but the notion that having 3 of the same quarterback is ludicrous was not in jest
Unless our 3rd stringer was a rookie or young developmental project, I think you almost have to really either run with two guys or have a completely different style as an option.
You don’t want to disrupt the flow of your offense, but having the ability to play situational football with an athletic, run-first type of qb would be a good thing in my opinion.
by Ken Meringolo on Aug 23, 2011 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't get it man? It sounds disruptive and ruins the natural rhythm of the offense.
That’s like making a case for the Falcons to get Denard Robinson to change up the tempo with Matt Ryan. If all he can do is run and can’t even make the #2 QB on the Broncos then he needs to switch positions or something. I think Shanny and all NFL coaches for that matter wants a backup(s) that can step in and pick up where the last guy picked up.
Wildcat is just gimmicky now.
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I am with you on this
When you take out the regular QB for a specialized package, you might as well just announce your play ahead of time. The Wildcat worked once against New England when it was a surprise they had no idea was coming. Now, everyone knows how to defend it.
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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Aug 23, 2011 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions
First of all, I am all for only having two quarterbacks
My point is that IF you are going to have three, I think you should have a change-of-pace option. Chances are the 3rd qb is going to be asked to hand the ball off a ton anyway. With the rule change, that extra spot is a valuable one and if you are not using it to develop a guy, I think you have to use it on a player who can contribute in a meaningful way.
If your quarterback is essentially a runner, you have 10 blockers. If he has to hand it off, you have 9 blockers.
Finally, when you are a good team, there are times during every game when the opposition knows what play(s) you are running. For years, opponents knew exactly what plays we were running—hell, Bostic used to TELL THEM! We are not there right now, but I guess my point is if you believe you can wield an advantage, then I say wield it.
by Ken Meringolo on Aug 23, 2011 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions
So your 1st stringer goes down and then you're stuck with a sideshow as your backup.
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I never understood...
Why when teams went into the wildcat and the QB went out to WR, why the other team just didn’t knock the shit out of QB.
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by Parks Smith on Aug 23, 2011 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I hope the Skins do that if a team pulls out the Wildcat on them.
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by RedskinsGirl on Aug 23, 2011 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions
They do...not all the time but they do
Sometimes the quarterback will just stand at the line and not invite the hit, but trust me—defenses do take free shots in that situation.
by Ken Meringolo on Aug 23, 2011 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions
I know for a fact some Eagles fan almost got beat into a coma a few years back @ FedEx
What happened at SF/OAK is ugly, but it doesn’t have much to do with the fan bases or them being football fans, IMO.
People are going to do stupid shit. If it doesn’t happen at a football game, it will happen somewhere else.
If anyone thinks one fan base (ours, or anyone else’s) is significantly less capable of drunken thuggery and violence, they’re not paying close attention.
"By far the worst performers on the (Redskins) are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
Those guys who were fighting in SF - what were they, bikers? Big fat guys, but didn't look like they were drunk
And not really gang members. But the shooters outside were certainly bad guys. Seems that the stuff outside and inside may not have been related. Inside – drunken fans, outside – criminals. Anybody hear anything?
The shopping center that is across the street from FedEx was once known as Landover Mall. The place had to close.
People I know that lived in the neighborhood would drive up to areas closer to Annapolis because they felt more secure. It was also the mall where Len Bias’ brother was murdered. It does not matter where the neighborhood is though. Home invasions happen all over the place.
by Jefferson1935 on Aug 24, 2011 12:09 AM EDT up reply actions
Guys the Redskins could've drafted in '08 instead of Thomas/Kelly:
Remember we traded down from the 21st overall pick:
Sam Baker, OT
Chris Johnson, RB
Kenny Phillips, S
Donnie Avery, WR
Brandon Flowers, CB
Jordy Nelson, WR
Curtis Lofton, LB
Tracy Porter, CB
Eddie Royal, WR
Matt Forte, RB (overrated in my book)
Desean Jackson, WR
Ray Rice, RB
Terrell Thomas, CB
Jamaal Charles, RB
Tom Zbikowski, S
Jermichael Finley, TE (over Davis?)
Mario Manningham, WR
You could also add in names like Rashard Mendenhall or Felix Jones, but I wouldn’t want them anyways, though Jones could break out this year.
the worst draft by any team? I could debate it unless Davis gets the reps this season..
by Dammit Cerrato... on Aug 23, 2011 5:17 PM EDT reply actions
I hate the "Who we could've drafted instead" game....
So pointless.
by SSBlitz on Aug 23, 2011 9:35 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
We could've had Arian Foster, James Harrison, Tony Romo, and London Fletcher!
All while trading away our draft picks for over-priced FAs.
we also could've had a competent GM who knows something about football
This goes to show the difference from then and now.
by Dammit Cerrato... on Aug 23, 2011 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Terrell Thomas would have been a better Nickel CB player
for us in 2008. I was pissed to see my cousin as a rookie, playing for a rival, and scoring on an INT in my home town. But I got over it
The blood you see on my jersey could mean one of two things......either i keep running over the same guy trying to tackle me.....or.....I should really be wearing those pads they gave me!!!!!!
by Lil_Dwilliams17 on Aug 24, 2011 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions
There's a valid point to be made though: 2008 seems to be a pretty deep draft, and Vinny whiffed miserably.
On a related note, the Falcons used the 1st rounder we traded them to select Sam Baker, who’s a great tackle for them.
That’s who we should have drafted.
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Phillips is overrated.
Since the day he was drafted he has been viewed as much better than he really is. “The next Sean Taylor” is really a mediocre safety.
Skins rule
by Horcasitas4 on Aug 24, 2011 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions
2. gonna give a no to Tebow cuz than that cloud would be right back over Redskins Park, the one Haynesworth vacated at the beginning of camp.
3. It’s Oakland, they don’t speak for 31 other fanbases
4. I expect a top 15 ranking by our D
5. I don’t need Shanny to be buddy-buddy, I need him to rediscover the spine this franchise lost and make it apparent to the rest of the league that we aren’t a circus sideshow anymore. He’s got his work cut out for him, so I say focus on that.
8. Who’s going to forfeit their 26? Helu or Wilson? I know in college you can have numbers occupied by multiple players, but I didn’t think so in the pros?
by Dammit Cerrato... on Aug 23, 2011 5:21 PM EDT reply actions
Best point EVER
2. gonna give a no to Tebow cuz than that cloud would be right back over Redskins Park, the one Haynesworth vacated at the beginning of camp.
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Well, I mean Tebow isn't doing anything wrong
But no distraction is a good one.
by Dammit Cerrato... on Aug 23, 2011 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm quite happy for a change
without the distractions. It’s like getting a tooth pulled after years of dull pain.
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Is Fred Davis
the only one left on the roster from that draft?
No
Kelly, Jackson, and Horton were in that draft.
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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Aug 23, 2011 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions
and Kareem Moore
so yeah.. worst draft…
by Dammit Cerrato... on Aug 23, 2011 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Moore isn't on the roster
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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Aug 23, 2011 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Moore is on the roster...
After Sept 3 it will be Davis and Jackson left from the 2008 draft,
@Callahan_9 on the twitter machine.
Redskins website
doesn’t list him
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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Aug 24, 2011 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions
I'd buy #26 Helu
rather than #26 Portis…
because I would rather a player on the roster than one who is not (retired hall of famers aside), and I am always down for having a jersey be that player’s original number on the roster.
Despite my opinion on this, my favorite jersey in my collection is a #23 Marcus Mason.
Tim Tebow is not going anywhere. He is a Cash Cow!
- in Jersey Sales.
Brings Huge Crowds to Practices.
He gets
a $6.2 million check on September 2nd. That is a lot of jersies. Cash cow my ass.
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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Aug 23, 2011 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Poor Clinton Portis: Dolphins Sign Larry Johnson
Yikes. Time to hang up the old cleats.
Picking Larry Johnson over Portis is a huge slap in the face.
Portis could still be a good passing down back for some teams.
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Devin Thomas
made a bigger contribution in kick returns than any single player we used last year. If he brings that into the regular season, any catches are pure gravy. That was the best Giants ST exhibition in over two years.
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by bigbluethruandthru on Aug 23, 2011 5:32 PM EDT reply actions
bigger contribution in kick returns
That was when the ball was being kicked from the 30.
Which will be the case
for this entire season. So, it’s not a valid point because?
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by bigbluethruandthru on Aug 24, 2011 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm confused?
Wasn’t Hankerson being dubbed teh next Art Monk on this website? Now “It appears he will soon be buried on the depth chart”. Damn.
Finally! Membership is fully active.
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by RedskinsGirl on Aug 23, 2011 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Welcome...was it the Tebow comment that got you to become a member?
by Ken Meringolo on Aug 23, 2011 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions
No. Reading the blog the past couple months.
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by RedskinsGirl on Aug 23, 2011 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Stop hitting on the new girl Ken
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by Tiller56 on Aug 23, 2011 6:44 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
Yea Ken never welcomed anyone else...
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Why are you following her around? You and Ken are creepers.
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Seriously , I never got a "hey welcome to HH, glad to have you".
Sketchballs
"That's what she said!"
You couldn't hear me because you were blowing into your hands
by Ken Meringolo on Aug 23, 2011 9:46 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
HA!
You guys are hilarious. I welcomed all of you…in my own way. Tiller, I made those cutoff jean shorts myself. Parks, if my records are accurate, you still have about 5 or 6 Free Hug coupons from the Welcome packet I sent you (it came with 50.)
by Ken Meringolo on Aug 23, 2011 9:39 PM EDT up reply actions
And if I recall correctly didn't you get these for Kevin?
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by TerpsAllTheWay on Aug 24, 2011 12:10 AM EDT up reply actions
I need a new set actually, Ken
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by Kevin Ewoldt on Aug 24, 2011 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions
She...
is actually a hairy truck driver
by TheSportsManager on Aug 23, 2011 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions
You guys are going to feel so dumb....
when she ends up being LJP!!!!
I am ready for some Redskins mother f&%$ing football!!!!
by shvd98z24 on Aug 23, 2011 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
haha
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Probably the later...
Met him last night in a bar. Great guy and really, really funny. I can now die happy.
@Callahan_9 on the twitter machine.
If those guys can become 2/3rds of Monk and Clark I’d be stoked!
HTTR!
by Figpucker on Aug 23, 2011 11:17 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I think Hank will be fine
He got wide open several times – a skill in itself.
Giants lose Another
The team announced Tuesday that second round pick Marvin Austin tore his pectoral muscle. The defensive tackle will join first round pick Prince Amukamara on the shelf, and Austin is likely out for the season. (Amukamara is due back in October ideally.)
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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Aug 23, 2011 6:35 PM EDT reply actions
Well, they still have Devin Thomas
and in a week or so, they’ll be able to sign Kelley.
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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Aug 23, 2011 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions
F 'em in my opinion!
HTTR!
by Figpucker on Aug 23, 2011 11:20 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
The most amazing part of this story...
Is that they could still win our division. I hope I’m wrong, but they always just seem to have guys ready to fill in.
To be fair…this is really starting to get ridiculous. Not sure how they can replace this many guys.
by Ken Meringolo on Aug 23, 2011 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Their top 4 corners
aren’t going to be replaced easily. The top corners of the FA market are all gone so now they’re left with 2nd and 3rd stringers to choose from. Their secondary is now atrocious, if we don’t shred them through the air on 9/11 I’ll be sorely disappointed.
what top 4 corners?
while T.Thomas was our playmaker in the secondary, our best cover guy is and still remains to be Corey Webster. Aaron Ross is a former 1st rounder, so he’ll slide into the second spot. after that it does get dicey, i’ll give you that, but we still have 3 very competent safeties to clog up the airwaves, and Prince will be back in uniform at some point this season.
Yes, I am a Giants fan. Now that we got that out of the way....
IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
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I quite like the concept of having different styles QB on the team. Especially, as you say, when you don’t have designate QB rotation. But I don’t think Tebow would be the guy to have for that role. I’d be looking at someone who has another position or role first, and see if he can fill in at QB. Or someone like Randle El (not suggesting bringing him back, just an example) who played QB in college or high school, but is mainly a WR now. I’d quite like the complexity that would bring an offence.
Although, after the situations we’ve had the last few years, I’d be quite happy with a conventional, but successful offence.
Well
1. I say Thomas lasts longer because he at least can run in a play.
2. No to Tebow. Just keep Beck and Grossman and have the extra spot.
3. Never been to a tailgate but I know how much people love it and it would be a shame to take away something people love. Would definately hurt the fan base.
4. Moss would be my first choice. Maybe Hightower if he kept running strong but thats an if.
5. Agree if he wins then he can be whatever.
6. Maybe harder but I have no idea.
7. Gano better keep it up. He has impressed me so far.
8. HELU! I think he will be a great second punch to Hightowers first.
9. Haven’t focused on him to much but I have liked his play and I hope he will be in the starting role someday.
10. I’m still a Hank the Tank fanboy. His drops will go away and the amazing catches will be everywhere! Agree these 2 weeks of play will be important for him to develop.
What's up with Helu and Josh Wilson
both wearing #26? We had to expect both of them to make the roster when we opened camp… why give them the same number?
Didn't notice that
Someone is gonna be angry
by The Red End on Aug 23, 2011 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Since Wilson is a free-agent signing
and Helu is just a 4th round pick, I’d hold off on buying the Helu jersey until week 1.
There are 90 players in camp....
and a handful of numbers that aren’t retired….but we just don’t give out. It’s hit or miss on who changes between the 2….Helu is a late round draft pick but Atogwe passed up on #21 out of respect for Sean Taylor…..he could be waiting for another number to open up!
I am ready for some Redskins mother f&%$ing football!!!!
I am stupid......Helu will change....
don’t know why Atogwe was stuck in my head for some reason…..it’s late….I need a drink! I would think there may be a couple other duplicate numbers being worn too though!
I am ready for some Redskins mother f&%$ing football!!!!
Its a shame though
I think it’d be awesome to have our new running back wear #26. I loved Portis, but I still think that’s great.
Extremely Random But
Can someone tell me I made the right choice in drafting Santana Moss as my third wide reciever in my fantasy football league? be sure to provide reasons he will have a good season this year, i want some peace of mind lol
3 consecutive 1,000 yard seasons
and a better supporting cast, QBs who know the system, etc. He’s a lock for a 90/1200/7 season this year.
by TheDeepBall on Aug 23, 2011 11:44 PM EDT up reply actions
sounds good to me
It seemed like it was worth the risk to me, hopefully it pays off
He's a good WR3 in fantasy
But you might want to have a solid WR4 as well. Just sayin
"By far the worst performers on the (Redskins) are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
ive got danny amendola right now as my 4th
i think hes going to be the next wes welker lol
Rumor has it the Bills are interested in Fred Davis, I'd love to get a 2nd rounder for him.
I know that’s wishful thinking, but I would take a 3rd for him. I mean come it’s the Bills.
Dear Passionate fan, I know you are passionate, but please reply with a logical answer or I will ignore you.
by TerpsAllTheWay on Aug 24, 2011 12:12 AM EDT reply actions
why?
So we can get an unproven talent with the pick? We need to keep good/young players and not trade away our assets for an unproven commodity, even Luck.
HTTR!
by Figpucker on Aug 24, 2011 12:26 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Because we're stacked at TE
Paulson is a good player and we don’t need 3 excellent TEs, especially if we keep Sellers around. A 2nd or 3rd for Davis would be excellent, and if we get the QB of the future with that pick I’m all for it. and even if it’s not used to trade up, 2nd and 3rd rounders are pretty hard to miss on. we could use it on an Offensive Lineman.
we're not that stacked....
3rd rounder would be very tempting, but I would pass. He might just blow up this year, I believe it is a contract year and he is going to want big $$ if he has his breakout season. We also have to re-up Landry and Rak.
And if he doesn't have a breakout year
he blames it on the franchise for keeping him below Cooley (hi Carlos), and signs somewhere else in need of a TE. So instead of trading the guy we straight up lose him and get nothing for the draft pick Vinny wasted. There are 2 sides to every coin.
yeah, there was supposed to be some kind of sequitor between the first and last parts there....
That’s what I was considering when I mentioned the $$ and other contracts. A 2nd, and I think you have to pull the trigger, a 3rd is tough call for me.
Because
it’s smart football. I get the whole “we are not the Patriots thing,” but what makes Belichick’s ability to consistently build teams is his ability to get rid of players before they start losing value (either to age or wanting to “get paid”). The Skins would be CRAZY not to deal Davis for a 2nd or 3rd round draft pick. I’d prefer Cooley, but I think Davis has the greater value right now.
Rumor has it when you find a rumor and bring it up, can you post it on the thread?
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I don't know
Its tempting and we do have other TE. Not sure on this one I’m glad I don’t make the choices.
by The Red End on Aug 24, 2011 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions
There are usually a lot of players on the waiver wire after the late August & early September cutdowns. Most of the
time these guys have gone through a lot of practices with the team that puts them on waivers. This year there will be nearly 320 more than usual. But approximately 1,184 is a big pool of players to look through. The 1,184 players is more than twice the number selected on the draft days. Only 256 will be picked up for practice squads; yet some will be picked up for regular roster positions and more cuts will occur.
Teams will only try to prospect the players in positions were they need starters or depth.
Trade Davis then.
Any pick 1-3 will help get a QB in the next draft. I don’t get the Cooley haters on this site. They are both good players , You treat a pro bowl player like Fat Al , all he does is make plays and keep his mouth shut. After all the years of problems I think Cooley has be a bright spot. You guys are so microwave society young’ins. Take it from a fan since 1968 there are plenty of other issues to Bitch about.. Just sayin.
by dcbornskin on Aug 24, 2011 12:36 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Congratulations on being able to use a computer, old man.
Seriously, though, I agree with all that you just said.
by Reedskin on Aug 24, 2011 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Doesn't make sense to get rid of your second best receiving threat (Cooley).
Interesting stuff here, I’m surprised that Hankerson is buried, but I haven’t been following you guys too hard so maybe Stallworth and Gaffney are producing…
Formerly number5
"If Revis has an Island, Asomugha should have a continent." - #5
RIP JJ
Gafney looks like a lock....
majority here (myself included) see the starters as Moss, Gafney and Armstrong. Hank just needs a little time to get up to speed. Runs routes like a rookie and has dropped quite a few balls in practice and in the games. I think he gets it though and has what it takes to be a very good WR in this league.
I really don't think he is our second best receiving threat...
i don’t think he’s a top 5 for us right now…he was great when we had JC and he had to make all those check downs, but with our running game looking improved with the Oline improvement, we’ll be stretching the field more. Davis is a much harder matchup for defenses if we’re sending him out against a linebacker in coverage.
Name 5 better than Cooley
Formerly number5
"If Revis has an Island, Asomugha should have a continent." - #5
RIP JJ
by HawaiianGreen on Aug 24, 2011 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions
He is, without question, our 2nd best recieving threat.
Who moved ahead of him?
Gaffney?
Davis?
Please.
"By far the worst performers on the (Redskins) are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
I think some people are expecting way too much out of Hank this year
It’s not often a rookie 3rd round pick makes a big impact. He’s got a ton of potential but there’s a reason he dropped to the 3rd and the lack of a full offseason won’t have helped.
Realistically I think he will start working his way into the lineup towards the end of the season and don’t see him having more than 20-30 catches this year.
REceivers take longer to develop, too.
He just needs to continue to work hard and his talent will one day pay off.
Skins rule
by Horcasitas4 on Aug 24, 2011 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions
This is Business
I say trade Cooley and Davis. If we can get value for both then keep it moving. Davis is a younger player and we can get more if we trade him. Both are good player in there own right. Most people love Cooley because he saying the right things for the fans. He been injury prone the last couple of years and it time to move on. Hell we traded JC and he was the person who threw all the pass to Cooley and we got shafted for the McFlabb. If we trade both of them and can get High 2nd round picks each then trade.
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